Unloading the G11 in FPS games can be corrected

[@Tomato6]

It has all the ergonomics of a brick with a windup glued to it.

[@eyeballpapercut4400]

@Mialisus unlike the God-Machines of the Collegio Titanica, the STC of that god machine is best left forgotten and unrediscovered

[@bourbon4033]

Deutsche engineering, prima

[@gunmunz]

It's the n64 controller of firearms

[@Krieg_Operator]

Well the only reason why it looks like a brick is because of how the action works. The front looks like a brick because that’s where the recoil spring and gas tube are located, under the barrel, next to each other. The back looks like a brick because of how the burst mode works, in an effort to reduce recoil, the entire action along with the barrel, recoil spring, and gas tube actually move backwards in the stock. This happens three times, once with each shot, so that every bullet hits on target. You only feel the recoil when the last shot is fired because the whole action then moves back to the front. (You can even see this happening, the mag moves backwards along with the action after every shot, burst, semi, or full auto [this is so that the mag can still feed into the action]).

[@Tomato6]

@@Krieg_Operator ​ Thank you for the solid explanation. I'm not hating on the rifle. It's a really neat concept. It's just doesn't seem like the easiest rifle to operate compared to the more common platforms.

[@Huziharamantics]

I like to think that in most of the examples of games reloading the G11, they just rip out the magazine with their sheer strength without bothering to push the mag release button.

[@Jayalen]

Like how in CS 1.6, the operator just rip out the magazine from the M4 without pressing the mirrored magazine release

[@alefmagnum207]

Cuz that's more cooler than what a man at the end did

[@Wayofswords]

I can use imagination or suspend disbelief with a press off screen

[@danielalexandru2548]

They might forget or we don't see it most release mag buttons we can't see and they just pop out

[@alifio2183]

The operator is so powerful in both mind and body as he rips magazine out with sheer strength and make it stay put and feed the gun with his mind

[@thescout6063]

To be fair, I’m not sure information on the ergonomics and workings of the G11 was easy to come by before the FW video

[@Jayalen]

No one knew that was the mag release button until Ian's video.

[@volvagianintendo6465]

@@Jayalen, thanks to thee, ich have more light shedded on how this fireweapon worketh! Thou madest mee blithe!

[@itsuk1_1]

@@Jayalen not really, the information is in a lot of the books and documents out there already, such as the G11 armorers manual, Die G11 Story by Wolfgang Seel, and many other ACR relate books and document. It is just the game devs are not that dedicated enough to figure it out. Hell they even demonstrated it back in some early PR footage.

[@tempviduse]

Fair point

[@volvagianintendo6465]

Yea, @@itsuk1_1, ich was in sooth bethankend Justice for makend us aware about that laziness. Fair enough!

[@GeorgeCowsert]

You do have to admit the G11 had some pretty ass ergonomics. Like, who just puts the mag release where neither hand can easily reach it from a resting position?

[@Jayalen]

It's near its "ass". And that's an ass to unload, I admit.

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

Now you know why it was never implemented. It's a shitty weapon.

[@nickm5419]

@@haramaschabrasir8662 it might be shitty but if i was to choose between a rusted AK or a G11, id pick the G11

[@lred1383]

@@nickm5419 But a normal, well-maintained AK will be superior

[@BlackWACat]

@@haramaschabrasir8662 more importantly it's overengineered and probably impossible to maintain by yourself (also expensive to manufacture, which is an even bigger thing) as much as i'd love to see the world where G11 got into mass production just cause i think it's cool, i doubt it would've lasted a day in any military

[@chanze555]

I'm willing to give modded Fallout 4 a break. If that G11 has the ability to shoot lasers then the reload might have to be different for some made up reason.

[@Jayalen]

It doesn't shoot lasers but I don't really care too much since it's by Sully and he know he goofed

[@ResidentFurryx]

If it's just shooting lasers, then this is more like the G1011 and those things are batteries, not mags. You probably don't need as strong of a locking mechanism at that point. Just firm enough to keep it in place and touching the contact so power transfers smoothly. But not firm enough to disallow changing batteries with a solid tug.

[@Jayalen]

@@ResidentFurryx it can be like the Volk in Infinite Warfare: an AK converted to pew pew

[@eagan_1902]

It might be automatic

[@AijeAstralos]

@@eagan_1902 It actually comes with multiple firing modes! I forget how you switch between them (might be a mod) but you can actually swap between Semi, Full Auto, and Hyperburst. It's not in my current mod order sadly but I feel like when it was you could change it in the field.

[@Xamp1256]

I wonder what the G11 could've become had the project not been abandoned, because every time I see it, I think of the messed up looking P90 prototypes. Maybe all these awkward ergonomics, the wind-up charging mechanism and the general ugliness could've been refined into something that actually looks, feels and works good. We could've had another sci-fi, P90-style firearm on our hands lol.

[@Jayalen]

I think so Well there's the P50 by Kel-Tec if you want another P90 style weapon

[@lightmetro7508]

That horrible mess called the internal mechanism would have to be redone

[@MultiKbarry]

It was more an issue with the case less ammo than the weapon issues itself.

[@krosskreut3463]

@@lightmetro7508 as far as i known the more "simplified" g11 was some prototypes called CAR, from the creators of that pistol PDW (the one in 7,92x24)

[@PhoenixPalmer88]

The Cold War CAR could be one potential direction

[@bluetroublehh]

This video deserves alot more views. And I don't say that often.

[@thepistachio8256]

I assumed it had hundreds of thousands before i saw this comment

[@Tony_Baloney_69420]

Not everyone always say that, right?

[@JT3D_YT]

Well, you just inspired me to start animating a proper G11 myself. Mag release included

[@Jayalen]

Thank you! Its great to hear an animator appreciating the information instead of saying that I'm "flexing". Oh, and looking forward to your animation :)

[@JT3D_YT]

@@Jayalen kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqi3dX6dapeAl5Y here ya go

[@Ulteam8]

Man of his word

[@chicken_stewer5432]

Roblox game called Phantom Forces, shows the usage of the Mag release button being used

[@dustinhenry8598]

i mean its accurate enough, you cannot see the offhand and cannot see whats happening on the other end of the gun so the inner imagination in me can just rpg as if my in game character is pressing said rubberized button to release the mag, other than that they pretty pull it out as you do just with more sense of urgency. there is only one or two clips i seen where the button was clearly in view and not being pressed in any way overall a pretty cool vid tho

[@Jayalen]

The problem with offhand reloads is you can see them "not doing it" at higher Field of View **cough** Treyarch **cough**

[@Cyann33andaThird]

@@Jayalen there's a LOT of errors with high FOV reloads, they probably forgot about FOV sliders. you can see bullets just appear in the gun durning the revolver reload.

[@Jayalen]

@@Cyann33andaThird I believe most animators are now taking consideration of high FoV settings and work their animations around it such that these embarrassing details won't be seen

[@Krejii05]

@@Jayalen yeah i do see this, but i do believe that most games dont really consider FOV sliders, like in WAW the FG-42 the mag just kinda floats offscreen, hence why i was as precise as possible when trying to change my FOV

[@Jayalen]

@@Krejii05 WaW came out at a time where devs don't take FoV settings into consideration

[@TheCompleteMental]

To be fair, for a few examples they couldve been holding the mag release offscreen

[@Jayalen]

As I've said it in another comment, it's possible. But it'd be nice to see it instead of hiding off-screen

[@robotman5105]

For my reload animation my character will just push the button against their chin to press the mag release lmao

[@Jayalen]

Would love to see that

[@GremlinSciences]

Have a secret reload where they push the button with their off-hand and sling the magazine out by swinging the whole gun.

[@quironmiranda2591]

3rd person view?

[@The_Black_Falchion]

And Cold Wars solution for this was make it a bullpup and give it a charging handle.

[@Jayalen]

They took the most unique features out of the G11 and turn it into a generic parallel universe firearm. There again, I don't think it is based on the G11. It look more like the G44 from MGSV

[@livingcorpse5664]

The G11 already is a bullpup. Yes the magazine rests in front of the grip and trigger, but it goes all the way to the back where the ammo is loaded into a chamber behind the trigger and grip.

[@Jayalen]

@@livingcorpse5664 In a way, yes. But what he meant is Treyarch turned it into an ordinary bullpup

[@livingcorpse5664]

@@Jayalen Ah, my bad then.

[@Krejii05]

@@livingcorpse5664 imagine getting an AUG, and a minecraft gray clay block, then force breeding them. Thats the CW G11

[@Vampire_EGirl]

Phantom Forces surprisingly has an accurate G11 believe it or not

[@cendark]

leave it to the korean airsoft community to make a 3d printed something that i want extremely badly

[@charles_thesecond]

tbh i just imagine the mag release is not a thing and so when you aim down, the mag just slides out

[@someweeb3650]

Could be a friction fit like a RPG rocket.

[@defaultuser0856]

1:11 a legendary game little knows about

[@Jayalen]

MTB did an accurate G11 reload. Do like his video and subscribe to him if you haven't: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXvMlH98a5eZq9U Also, blah blah blah they probably pressed the magazine release button offscreen blah blah blah. Update: Roblox phantom forces did it correctly

[@ArcturusOTE]

Ronin Rei also did an accurate (?) depiction kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4OThKateJuUg5o

[@_narrows]

MTB sounded familiar, but I wasn't expecting Touhou when i clicked this link lol

[@Jayalen]

@@ArcturusOTE Nope you're supposed to hold the magazine release and pull it out. Not press it once. The magazine release does not yeet it out of the magwell. You can let it go once the magazine is out of the magwell

[@Jayalen]

@@_narrows He usually animates with Touhou characters

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@Jayalen i see

[@CosetteTape]

God, I'm trying to conceive of a way to load this thing under duress and I'm drawing a blank, this is one of the worst ergonomic situations I've ever seen.

[@Jayalen]

Yeap. If you're caught within enemy's crosshair and your space gun is empty, only a backup weapon can save you.

[@2MeterLP]

To be fair, the gun never made it out of prototyping, so the ergonomics and looks arent what the soldiers would have gotten. Or at least I would hope.

[@someweeb3650]

I think just grabbing it with your fingers below it and then thumbing the mag release with your trigger hand while yanking the mag out would work swell. Maybe that's just my long ass fingers.

[@2MeterLP]

@@someweeb3650 If your design requires minimum finger length to operate its a bad design :D Having to take your hand off the grip to reload makes it a bad design anyways.

[@someweeb3650]

@@2MeterLP All designs have minimum finger lengths.

[@Gunnery_Danny]

I didnt expect Korean KZbinr Normal Suit facing this video lol

[@angelinadash2396]

I love how in older games the mag release is just a *Bump* on the skeleton of the gun instead of an ACTUAL button X'D

[@romanbellic9580]

Anytime I see a G11 the only thing I can think of is *”Got something to say before you die?”* He doesn’t even reload it before wiping a whole team. Not like it matters anyways since the games a birds eye view perspective.

[@donyalternative2498]

So, just wanna drop this. If people are wondering what the song in the almost last part of the video, its called "Stars" by Diamond Eyes.

[@Jayalen]

Didn't care about the song but thanks for sharing

[@yonokino5383]

Was hoping someone would make this video someday. Glad I came across it!

[@Jayalen]

Thank You!

[@JinKee]

the player character is hitting the mag release with his face

[@blockhead134]

Might be because the animators had to switch between studying the gun and vomiting to the side

[@perialis2970]

would be pretty cool where in videogames when you’re done with the mag, you press the button and the mag launches like an RPG

[@M4skedBoi]

These are nice. I was trying to do a video like these.

[@Jayalen]

Thank you! Sadly I was criticized by some animators on r/HighQualityReloads for educating everyone on how it works :(

[@M4skedBoi]

@@Jayalen they are just butthurt because only dignity that they have on it is that. Also dont forget that Nexon version of CS also included G11. They did use the rotating charging handle.

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@Jayalen I've heard from I think Sully or Haru that the sub is loaded with people who are pedantic with details rather than preference of style, or was that r/FPSreloads?

[@Jayalen]

@@ArcturusOTE That sub is filled with mostly animators who prioritize style over accuracy

[@SharkWrestler]

Y'know I had no real interest in this gun, it has terrible stats in most games its in, and the fact I just found out you have to wind it like a mcdonalds toy to charge it makes me physically ill. I feel like reloading it in any situation with that mag release placement would make your sidearm 13x more appealing to use.

[@Jayalen]

It's up to one's preference. Personally it's interesting to me and I can imagine this in a Cyberpunk/Alternate History/Steampunk setting

[@SharkWrestler]

@@Jayalen I do understand the appeal for the alien/strange weapon designs. I feel if you slapped a digital round counter on the side it would immediately fit in a sci-fi universe.

[@Jayalen]

@@SharkWrestler Now you remind me of that gun from Moonwalker....

[@someweeb3650]

For me it's extremely good, my snap aim is significantly better than my tracking so being able to flick onto a target for an effectively one shot kill is borderline busted. Almost always beats out any DMR or sniper rifle option

[@boogaloo_weed]

@@SharkWrestler the thing is, the G11 had a real chance of getting adopted

[@GamerGamerYT918]

Thanks for telling me that! I knew that part was something special!

[@theitatit]

Today I learned how to reload a weapon that I didn't even know existed!

[@Jayalen]

Also, only BO1 and Sully cocked it (as of this video's upload date). It's another detail missed out by animators. Lastly, this video has received some hate from animators on Reddit because many of them didn't knew about this fact before Forgotten Weapons' video and assumed I was dissing them for it. One of them being someone I used to have mad respect for (not going to mention who he is to avoid giving him free recognition). This video isn't meant to offend anyone and I apologize if I ever did. My only intention was to educate on this little-known fact.

[@lhongdicc5705]

>reddit

[@concertence]

I love that now you tells us what the game names are

[@Jayalen]

They were already from the sources

[@srtsports]

WOAH I swear to God I was literally playing around in fo4 with that gun mod and this popped in my recommended

[@haavikwood290]

Idk what's more amazing, the fact that this thing has the strangest reload I've ever seen on a modern weapon, or the fact this thing even existed

[@Ramash440]

I like how pretty much all of these went out of their ways to even model the mag release but they all ignore it.

[@KeggleStomp_Pogrompa]

They didn’t even try in Warzone, it has a curved magazine sticking out where the ejection port should be. They also neglected hyperburst even thought they have an an-94 with hyperburst.

[@Jayalen]

Tbf, that's not the G11 but a "made in China" copy of the G44 from MGSV

[@cezarstefanseghjucan]

Hey, it is Project I.G.I. 2 - Covert Strike! That is my first video game and I await the reboot by AntiMatter Games!

[@Jayalen]

Looking forward to it too :)

[@lecherousfish]

And this, this is why the G11 Project lasted 20 years just to flop on its face.

[@Mechfan666]

That fallout 4 mod is sick. I remember back when the modders hadnt even cracked custom animations, now to have something so well done? I'll happily overlook the lack of a magazine release.

[@darkninjacorporation]

Holy shit that air soft G11 I don’t even do Airsoft but I’d start just to larp an 80’s West German soldaten with his space gun

[@thewavedeam]

Just imagine having the g11 and ripping the mag out so hard that when you put the mag in and run the mag falls out

[@skulldozer1462]

I'm more concerned about how slow this thing is to reload

[@MBOmnis]

I didn't even know that many videogames had the H&K G11.

[@Jayalen]

The only ones that ppl usually remember are Chaser, BO, and Syphon Filter 2

[@richterbellassi]

Like the wise man once said: "This is as you can see, a very clumsy piece of shit"

[@alvodisco]

1:35 Let's go K.K. Rider all of a sudden

[@thecoishiking5768]

All of these reload animations are actually realistic, it’s the fact that the release isn’t broken and can still be used as a gun which is not realistic

[@thewarcrimespeedrunner4778]

1:01 Ah yes, Code of honor

[@SentyPurr]

That would be really hard to animate without having it look awkward.

[@Wings_-9S]

there is : kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXvMlH98a5eZq9U

[@Freezorgium]

@@Wings_-9S nice

[@hideakiakio6698]

There is one instance of the mag release being pushed that I know of a reanimation of the g11 from the classic fallout weapons remastered mod for fallout New Vegas.

[@Jayalen]

Do you have a KZbin link to that? Edit: saw it. He almost did it correctly since you have to pull it out while holding down the mag. Still, good effort

[@knowtheplan472]

The airsoft first company to mass produce a G11 is going to be filthy rich

[@sgtcatnipzzz]

You gotta love how the did add the release button, but just forgor how it works and just settled on forcing the mag out with sheer will

[@famalam943]

Give them a break… this was a unicorn gun for ages and we didn’t have that much information on it and any good videos, certainly on the operation were not around

[@Jayalen]

Break given. Already said information were obscure until FW's video

[@famalam943]

@@Jayalen yeah cool, I wasn’t having a go just pointing it out 👍

[@Yamanotensha]

Finally something interesting in my recommended section

[@durrvish8376]

And this is the reason people should look up how a gun works when animating.

[@crimsoncrisp8708]

Imagine being given a g11 to go to war with. Spending 40 mins trying to reload your rifle while the enemy romps with a simple surplus M16 or AK pattern rifle

[@Nieveria]

for when i eventually make my own game i will be absolutely sure to reference videos like this to get it right when i do the animations

[@flippedoutkyrii]

I feel like I'm some kind of FPS Guru now, as I recognized and played every single game that was depicted lol

[@bmouch1018]

I love how all the game devs put extra mags in the holding slots but they never get used

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

I can see why the G11 wasn’t put into service

[@lostisles5850]

Never thought I'd see combat arms being referenced in a 2021 video.

[@seto007]

What a strange weapon.

[@Jayalen]

I like it through. I could see it as a weapon in the Machinegames Wolfenstein universe or one of those blocky guns in League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen

[@seto007]

@@Jayalen has that strong, simple, brutalist facade to it.

[@saulgoodman3934]

When I bring up my wind-up toy to show and tell

[@LanceJuanerio]

0:25 there's a g11 on a game on roblox called phantom forces

[@monsteraddict999]

I think the problem is that they have to reload the gun in a timely manner and in a clean manner. Having the character hold the gun in a way that they can press the release and pull out the mag at the same time would have to move the camera down obstructing the vision. As cool as it would be to have a super realistic reload it would kinda take away from the fast paced action of some of the games.

[@sandow8575]

Holy fuck. I had assumed the mag release was near the pistol grip. That is the most awkward position possible

[@illitero]

Up until 1:30 I kept thinking, "well, their right hand is completely out of view" haha

[@Litium_Greinder]

Thanks for the info, will work well on the FPS game i'm making

[@Jayalen]

Would love to see it :)

[@HQ_Default]

I suspect it's a game balance thing. Having the player raise their left arm to click the mag release button could add too much time to the animation, and in order to balance it they might have to make them move unnaturally fast. Although I could see them fixing it by being inaccurate in a different sense- turn the mag release button into a mag _ejection_ button.

[@Jayalen]

Maybe...

[@boogieloogie3150]

justice for G11

[@bentrod3405]

Possibly because its the least ergonomic reload of all time that either requires the gun to be rested on something or the reload to take half an hour.

[@SirAroace]

I like to note in half of those examples you can't see the button, they may be pressing it for all you know.

[@giantenemycrab5596]

I’m amazed there are G11s in video games

[@Jayalen]

I guess you didn't played Black Ops

[@Maximus20778]

Alternative title: angry gun enthusiast can't except that's games are games

[@nicknight1728]

As I said in the previous videos comments section. Make MORE PLEASE!

[@soupbane1688]

One day I'm gonna make a game and put the G11 in it and the reload animation is going to be so unrealistic just for the sake of it

[@conductoraizen3840]

never heard of the G11 but it looks like the closest thing to an irl minecraft modded block gun

[@Changingtesting]

The g11 still manages to fascinate me with it’s uniqueness

[@g_mixesajl293]

You didn’t have to do Sully dirty like that 🤣🤣🤣

[@Jayalen]

He's still a great animator. And yes I know he knows he didn't animated it correctly. Perhaps I have stirred a hornet nest

[@burnttoast26]

Cool design and looks like a blaster out of Star Wars (I know most SW guns are WW1/2 guns with stuff on them but still) but holy shit the ergonomics are weird. Still interesting to see someone point out that no one's actually done reloads on it properly.

[@ryszakowy]

let's just all agree that FPS soldiers press the little black button with their chin while aiming down the sights

[@gggamers739]

From how complicated this gun is i think im glad that it was scrapped and replaced with the g36 series

[@GrumpyIan]

Devs probably left out pushing the button to have regular reload times as other rifles in the game.

[@josephpaolomendoza608]

And this is the reason why i don't see this gun on popular fps games rn. Hope codm will add or mimic this gun to rip off my phone's storage for the reload animation.

[@Jayalen]

Ignoring the CARV.2 (which is not the G11 but a bastardized version of Phantom Pain's G44), I think a more accurate G11 in the newer CoD games will have nonsensical attachments like a chunkier box magazine, an awkward foregrip, a bolt catch that won't make sense for fast reload... and angled backup sights which would be very uncomfortable to aim with.

[@diogovieira3362]

the rotating drum resets the odometer

[@georgeperakis8195]

Awesome work. Didn't know it functioned like that

[@Jayalen]

7 months late but thank you!

[@yeoss]

I checked to see if your FPS Animator comment held true, So I looked at the reload for the Roblox game Phantom Forces, and yup, even they forgot to add in the animation.

[@quirkyadventures1722]

Tbh it could be off screen since it's such a big gun

[@Jayalen]

Mm hmm..

[@remidimeston]

reminds me of people pulling an AR mag out without touching the mag eject button

[@FAWX]

That is the most insane EBB airsoft gun ive ever seen holy shit, looks stronger than most GBBs

[@anirvana]

man just after I release an animation mod youtube recommends me this lmao I did know about the magazine release button but couldn't really think of a way to press the button without making the animation too long, but that 3D printed G11's reload could be a very good reference tbh I mostly ripped the anim off of sully anyways

[@Jayalen]

I've checked out your animation. It looks nice. Hmm yeah you could do like a tactical reload version with the 3D printed G11 from the South Korean guy as a reference

[@Jayalen]

You can check this out too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqi3dX6dapeAl5Y

[@anirvana]

@@Jayalen thanks, and yeah I think that's what I'll do I was gonna remake the reload anyways since I now have a model that has the bolt "winder" separated, so might as well do this correctly along with that

[@anirvana]

@@Jayalen oh, just saw the video, that might work as a normal reload, thanks for the link

[@Jayalen]

@@anirvana One thing to note though is that pressing the mag release won't pop the mag out. You have to hold it down with one finger while pulling the mag out. Once its slightly outside, you can let go of the mag release

[@jacobgardiner9267]

The G11 is such a weird gun. I actually thought it was a fake gun for a bit because of that stick magazine that goes in the barrel

[@Totemparadox]

Holy Moly that EBB G11 kicks like a mule.

[@playlistanonymous5414]

Agent Under Fire had this gun. Most other weapons in that game had a proper reload animation, but they just did the GoldenEye trick with the G11 and P90.

[@Jayalen]

Just like the one in Cruelty Squad

[@Shaun_Jones]

To be fair, a lot of these examples come from earlier games, and skipping steps in the reloads was not uncommon even for normal guns.

[@Jayalen]

Yes I already said old games are excused. This isn't a video to mock them

[@capthawkeye8010]

If you can't tell... they obviously didn't care.

[@Jayalen]

Or information of the G11 were scarce at that time

[@TheKaniq94]

The 3D printed electric Blowback G11 looks sweet. Too bad regulations only allow semi auto over 0,5 Joule in my country.

[@Jayalen]

In mine, airsoft is banned after some dumb kid shot another kid in the eye

[@someweeb3650]

NO FULL AUTO IN THE COUNTRY!!!

[@arby627]

@@Jayalen wait the ENTIRE country?!

[@penguinsrockrgr8yt216]

“Kraut space magic”

[@transgeek2345]

I believe a mod version in FNV shows the release button being pressed, But not held to release the mag

[@Redguns4life]

I really want to know who thought of making the mag release a push-button to the rear. When wearing a flak vest and/or combat webbing during that time, sometimes your arms won't even allow the movement required to comfortably push that button under stress.