I'm watching this video on my weekly transatlantic flight to pick up my pineapples and quinoa
@gratituderat3 жыл бұрын
😂 Lololol can you grab me some avocados and almonds when you’re out?
@christinetaylor57263 жыл бұрын
hahaha.... lol
@Wooplot3 жыл бұрын
The quinoa argument pisses me off so much. Not only does it ignore the fact that it is not an item exclusive to vegans, but quinoa is now commonly grown outside of latin america so we're not all consuming stolen grains lol.
@unoriginal10863 жыл бұрын
@@Wooplot ive still yet to eat quinoa since becoming vegan a few years ago
@beccasteele68743 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@wildflowersandwonderment3 жыл бұрын
“The vegan in my group took a lot of airplane flights therefore veganism isn’t better for the environment.” Ummmmmmmmmmm 🤔
@shuchi0033 жыл бұрын
Well, I am an Indian and for a matter of fact I am a Jain too. I know my permission don't / shouldn't matter but hey, you have all my permission to experiment the hell out of Indian food. And if something comes out yummy.. Do lets us know. 😊
@annala29563 жыл бұрын
Also, many vegan chefs of various cultures depend on white dolls buying their cookbooks, right? Thank you for your comment!
@monicaolsson76083 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I will refer to you if anyone asks. You have my permission if you ever want to cook Swedish food. 😄
@karlvonboldt3 жыл бұрын
I really admire the Jains! I became a vegan because of them! I used to wear a Swastika because that’s the Jain holy symbol, but a White guy wearing that gets a lot of grief!😂
@karlvonboldt3 жыл бұрын
@@monicaolsson7608 Love the Scandinavians too!🙋♂️
@LivingFreeTv1233 жыл бұрын
Excellent comment. ahahaha
@Shelbizleee3 жыл бұрын
I don't know how you consistently pull every thought out of my head but... thank you.
@UnnaturalVegan3 жыл бұрын
Aww geez! Love your channel.
@emiliedeschamps52223 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if you gals did a collab. Would love to see my two favorite KZbinrs do something together.
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I now believe that humans are carnivores
@charlieaustin19423 жыл бұрын
@@pjryon2276 good for you!! You're awesome!
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
@@charlieaustin1942 thankyou
@lostieaddict3 жыл бұрын
i can't take any conversation seriously when both parties are wearing overalls and sitting cross-legged by candlelight
@pupax20003 жыл бұрын
In a tent inside, being forcefully quirky. I cannot ;)
@veganvanguard82733 жыл бұрын
Right? The LARPing is laughable.
@JetsDuck3 жыл бұрын
I find it so frustrating, and... disheartening, honestly, that all discussions about veganism with non-vegans seem to have this unspoken rule that animal ethics should either be briefly mentioned or just ignored entirely. Just bringing it up at all is considered a personal attack because it's such a heinous practice, but as a result it goes unspoken and vegans are expected to pivot around one of their strongest points for the sake of the non-vegans personal comfort. As a result we end up having discussions about environmentalism and personal health which, while still strong, mostly focus on the self-interest of the non-vegan and ignore this massive pile of suffering we're inflicting on those who can feel it. The tremendous pressure I feel to ignore this, and the cruel reality which is this being the most effective way to get people to sometimes give a shit is... exhausting.
@themountainsandthesea41213 жыл бұрын
this.
@ivyloverhorsez9453 жыл бұрын
So true! I faced the same problem with most of my family members 🙄
@SonofKalas223 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the ethical arguments are not effective against most non vegans. Most people do not and will never consider an animal's life as equal to their own. If that is ever going to change, it will be retroactively, after affordable lab grown meat has rendered animal based meat obsolete for generations.
@JetsDuck3 жыл бұрын
@@SonofKalas22 I'm not vegan (nor do I necessarily think others should be) because I see an animals life as being equal to my own, I'm vegan because I don't see an animals life as being equal to my moderate convenience and pleasure. Too often these debates are framed like this, as Life vs. Life, which is a false choice--for many, many people in the developed world it's slaughter vs inconvenience, but that's a much more difficult discussion for the non-vegan to have so it's often re-framed as something more palatable to them. Nitpicks aside, I agree with your broader point though--people will come around to meat reduction only when it's cheaper, more convenient, and tastes the exact same. My angst in the original post was precisely due to this agreement, and the dispirited way such a realization has made me feel.
@SonofKalas223 жыл бұрын
@@JetsDuck I'm not saying it's a life vs life situation, I'm saying that's how most people will see it hence it is an ineffective argument regardless of it's accuracy. I think that for most, the life vs convenience argument is equally ineffective. People don't value livestock except as food. That's the reality. I never said this was a position I hold.
@EE.3333 жыл бұрын
pretending to be concerned about cultural appropriation, but look at that set! It's "Urban Outfitters Does A Cultural Appropriation" to the max over there!! 🤦🏻♀️ the floor pillows, rugs, tapestries, lighting .... com'on now
@gabby56593 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that too...
@angie417003 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing!!
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@TadejTodorovic3 жыл бұрын
Swayze has been humanely slaughtering it lately... :) Rly good responses to both WIL and this, I have a feeling you are being just a bit more tough on these kinds of creators than in the past, I love it!
@Olivetree803 жыл бұрын
Haha she really has
@juliak53743 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I mean... I was subscribed to WIL and I saw his response to UV about the ancient Egyptians. 'This should be good' I thought... I was right but for the wrong reasons. I started reading his 'defense' (or something) and I was like "wait, that's bs". Then I watched her video entirely and realized, the vegan lady has a point. I didn't agree with his video about the enviroment, but I didn't realize, how manipulative and dishonest it was until I saw UV's response video. I really liked her well thought rational arguments and watched some more videos from her. Soo.... Basically I am going vegan because WIL tried to convince me not to go vegan lol
@DebugYourBrain3 жыл бұрын
@@juliak5374 This is amazing
@milesandrews67113 жыл бұрын
@@juliak5374 WIL never tried to convince anyone not to go vegan, I mean say what you want about the video and it's content but saying it's intention was to make people anti vegan or explain why veganism is bad is just misleading
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@lcwaves3 жыл бұрын
It's completely misleading that they named the video "is veganism wrong" when really they are talking about environmentalism and the effects of this diet on the environment and randomly cultural appropriation.... I am so glad you did a reaction video to this, thank you!
@HelloKittysFriend4183 жыл бұрын
"my cultural Southern heritage food" made me chuckle ngl
@monicaolsson76083 жыл бұрын
So I'm only allowed to eat Swedish food then? As a vegan, that really sucks! 😆 No pasta, sushi, dhal, tacos or stirfry?! No bananas either? Only potatoes. Wait, potatoes was not grown in Sweden originally. They were imported. Oats it is then. Oats and carrots.
@karlvonboldt3 жыл бұрын
I know, it’s ridiculous, isn’t it?!
@withgarlic95773 жыл бұрын
At least there is oatly ;D....I feel like a day would work... Breakfast is easy I think maybe if potato is okay and vegan kötbullar that could be lunch ....or are kötbullar also too stolen ..... So dinners left.....I guess chocolate cake counts?....
@marstu9683 жыл бұрын
And almost no spices! No tasty food for us...
@jusoart71013 жыл бұрын
Same here from Germany.... potatoes (or maybe not) and Sauerkraut
@leolewanay3 жыл бұрын
Actually, not even carots as they originated from Afghanistan and were imported not thaaaat long ago to Europe (actually around the 11th Century to Spain... so I don't really know when they reached Sweeden, haha !). ^^' You're stuck with grass, I guess. ^^
@jennah1923 жыл бұрын
Basically all the dishes in the world are inherently appropriated from some other culture lol
@orirune30793 жыл бұрын
No amount of finger-wagging about muh cultural appropriation will get me to stop eating falafel and sushi.
@starcatcher36913 жыл бұрын
True. Cultures have been sharing aspect I'd their culture forever.
@ireneswackyjournals88103 жыл бұрын
Well the ; the Italians want their pizza and spaghetti back oh wait China wants their pasta noodles back lol
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
Actually I change my mind. Humans are carnivores
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I can't decide! I'm so sorry! I forgot to take my meds. My belief is that humans are carnivores
@GS-xj4st3 жыл бұрын
In France, an indépendant organisation called Carbone 4 estimated that eating vegetarian (not even vegan) is better than eating local, zero waste, not taking plane and recycling combined (2 ton co2 vs. 1.7 ton Co2) and is the single Best individual action one can make. I'm sure it's similar in other western countries
@Inconito___3 жыл бұрын
après même en étant vegan c'est ultra difficile d'avoir un bilans carbone correspondant aux accords de Paris, je suis à 2.5t par ans mais l'état correspond à 1.1t de mes émission donc c'est difficile de descendre plus bas (even being vegan , it's near impossible to go below 2t of CO2e)
@GS-xj4st3 жыл бұрын
@@Inconito___ Yes but going from the french average 11 ton CO2 to 2.5 or 3 is super great. You should be proud of yourself :) there is only so much we can do, at some point the state have to take initiative too it's not only on us citizen to take the burden of bending the climate change curve
@thatsalt15603 жыл бұрын
I read something similar in the news in Sweden. I was actually very surprised.
@indie3603 жыл бұрын
@@Inconito___ j'habite en France depuis un peu mois! Out of curiosity, what vegan foods do you tend to eat here? Je viens d'Anglaterre et je ne peux pas trouver beaucoup de norriture comme par example soja que est abordable. So I eat more whole foods / beans! Hope that makes sense :')
@GS-xj4st3 жыл бұрын
@@indie360 Hi, in which city do you live ? You can find tofu in almost every store from 4 to 12euros. Specialised vegan shop can sell you big bag of tvp for
@sophisticatedwrat3 жыл бұрын
This may be controversial but sometimes I get really sick of all this cultural appropriation nonsense. I was thinking to myself the other day that when I have kids I want them to learn about other cultures and I was thinking once a week we could choose a country and find a dish to make. I also wanted us to learn about the culture too and I think it would be fun to get my kids engaged and help me pick food at the grocery store and help make supper. I was also thinking of having some subscription services for different snack boxes around the world so my kids can enjoy different kinds of foods. I have a best friend that's Chinese and I got to experience a lot of her culture. She would go to china a lot when she was younger and bring back souvenirs. I also went to her house a lot and they always made good food. This is something that's really important to me and I want my kids to be able to enjoy other cultures and I feel like it will help eliminate any prejudice and help them be more educated and aware about the world. When we find a dish we really like I can remake it and maybe tweak it and maybe make some fusion dishes. I honestly don't know how this can be seen as a bad thing. Even if I didn't do all the research on the culture, making fusion dishes is fun and maybe there are some ingredients you don't have or don't like so mixing something more familiar with a dish is nice. It's really hard not to think "fuck off!" to all the people that have criticisms about this but I really feel like if we start taking cultural appropriation more seriously, it will only make more of a divide. Can I really not enjoy anything unless it's from my own culture? The thought of that makes me so sad...
@blueberryoatmeal40093 жыл бұрын
That's amazing! And not really controversial among sane people. It's only controversial to vocal "I live in a twitter bubble" types.
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@JA-qi7zt3 жыл бұрын
What is that girl talking about. I'm peruvian, I grew up eating quinoa, everybody is able to afford quinoa.
@GigaDavy913 жыл бұрын
Thanks, a lot of people in the comments are coming up with a lot of bullshit about this, and it is very pleasing reading a direct account that agrees with the data and that proves them wrong.
@orirune30793 жыл бұрын
It's basically because far-left woke types have circled around to full on racism. UV alluded to it in the video, but basically these people seem to think that no non-white people can have any responsibility, take care of themselves, or do anything really, and it's all up to (and the fault of) white people.
@JA-qi7zt3 жыл бұрын
@MdoubleHB ??? Okay...
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
@@JA-qi7zt Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@JA-qi7zt3 жыл бұрын
@Swayze's teacher that book had no scientific back up. It was crap.
@pgp5193 жыл бұрын
I’m loving this ‘but nomads’ as the new ‘what if you were on a desert island?’ take. I can’t believe I bought a beyond burger when I could’ve cycled to Iran for a cow
@annikaalexismoralestlayeca37633 жыл бұрын
Im a Mexican trans-woman and i notice many people nowadays confuse braiding hair or preparing traditional dishes from other countries which is cultural exchange as cultural appropriation
@commonomics3 жыл бұрын
Yea it’s really gotten out of control over the last 5 years.
@evab.62403 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@koolaidjerk3 жыл бұрын
Imagine thinking you own a particular food dish because your ancestors cooked it sometimes....
@cookingisevil58293 жыл бұрын
HUMANS ARE FRUGIVORES COOKED FOOD IS TOXIC VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST THERE IS NO PANDEMIC VACCINES ARE TOXIC KNOWLEDGE AND PROPER EDUCATION HELP A LOT
@commonomics3 жыл бұрын
@@cookingisevil5829 I’m quickly learning that people who say “educate yourself” or “education will help” on the internet are the least educated people.
@watcher1903 жыл бұрын
You'll be so much more annoyed with them after watching there video on zero waste. Edit: Why are all the replies so wierd
@nom3nnescio3 жыл бұрын
*their
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@sashabee573 жыл бұрын
@@davidbrownstein3259 ok
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@summerscripture3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for responding to this video. The original video is an illogical answerless mess. I really worry that young teens are going to watch their video and feel like becoming vegan is bad, wrong or causing harm to others. Pure rubbish. Thank you for putting out all the facts, and speaking the truth! 👩🏫🐱🐶🐷
@anotherashleytoo3 жыл бұрын
I think it's wrong that they wear matching overalls, but that's just me.
@emmaponymous3 жыл бұрын
My first introduction to veganism was a community of black (American, Midwestern) vegans. It's so weird to hear the "white people though" statement. 🤷 "Be chill about your veganism" woooooooooow. that's... embarrassing for them. 🤦
@Apodeipnon3 жыл бұрын
Afaik, percentage wise, more people of color are vegan in the US than people that are white. None of these anti vegan arguments make sense, it's a dishonest tactic of throwing emotionally charged sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks. 'Hmm let's try some woke bullshit, tell them quinoa seeds are squeezed from dead Indian babies or something.' the wokies eat it up ofc, simply because they want to, not because it has any merit as an argument.
@piau17983 жыл бұрын
That video is very confusing. So illogical, missing out on so much and weird Focus on certain topics that either aren’t explained properly or are just not thought through. Thanks for responding, I really liked this one a lot!
@koyelimukherjee.31153 жыл бұрын
As an Indian i don't care who tries cultural Indian foods or not. The problem is west always called eastern people week,underdeveloped because we eat more vegetables. But suddenly now veganism is a thing and they are telling us how to do it. I talk to so many Americans on social media(gaming purpose) who tells me soya chunks ate bad i should eat soya beans, how much legums i should eat a day and etc. Its frustrating to hear that now they wanna tell everyone how to eat more vegetables based balanced diet,when we are doing it for thousands of years and you just started.
@Becky04943 жыл бұрын
Good point! I’m an American with family in Greece, and they’ve always eaten aheavy vegetable and legume based diet for... idk, a few thousand years
@debbietampasheher36823 жыл бұрын
People online are such know it alls lolol
@alexflenner37783 жыл бұрын
@. Koyeli. Mukherjee. Don't just group the entire west together!The West and the East are not singular collective bodies that all believe and practice the same things they are meerly a collection of indavidgials with different beliefs lifestyles and actions some bigots some not!Don't group me in with westerners who are bigots and/or claim I'm somehow responsible for their beliefs and actions or that some of their bigotry somehow falls on me!!!!!
@merrymachiavelli20413 жыл бұрын
First, most people in the West also ate a predominately plant-based diet until industrialisation in the 19th century, and meat and dairy are still a big part of Indian cuisine. India does have amazing vegetarian food, but it's not quite accurate to say 'we've been doing it for a thousand years and you just started'. Second, they are probably talking to you as an individual, not a representative of the entire Indian nation. Just because your country is known for something, doesn't mean you individually are automatically knowledgeable or 'right' about that thing. Equally, just because one random vegan on the internet expressed an opinion about soya to you, doesn't mean Westerners collectively are telling Indians how to eat (if anything, Indian food is celebrated within veganism a lot more than it's criticised)
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry! I forgot to take my meds. My belief is that humans are carnivores
@pseudonamed3 жыл бұрын
Their video was sad.. they didn’t even try.. it’s like they went into just wanting to show that vegans aren’t perfect.. as if all vegans think they’re perfect. Are we honestly still playing that old cliche still?
@annakoszegi51763 жыл бұрын
When I tried to explain cultural appropriation to my Rwandan boyfriend (when we saw photos of white people getting married in traditional Rwandan clothes) he said he thinks it's nice and literally didnt understand why he should be offended.
@mayakashyap71413 жыл бұрын
That’s actually not what most bipoc in the US would define as cultural appropriation. As a POC I have no problem and many people I know have no problem with white people or others wearing our traditional clothes, eating our food, learning our language/culture. The problem is when those people try and pass off our culture as their original idea or represent something as our culture in a way that doesn’t actually align with it. For example, selling Indian saris at forever 21 and calling them scarf dresses or posting a recipe called “Easy Indian curry” when curry is not a type of Indian food and none of the ingredients resemble any traditional Indian dish.
@marisellopez60223 жыл бұрын
@@mayakashyap7141 this is the best explanation of cultural appropriation I’ve ever heard.
@merrymachiavelli20413 жыл бұрын
@@mayakashyap7141 I've heard the accusation that people 'present [our] culture as their original idea' a lot, but I have I've almost never actually seen anyone do it. If a person were to buy a sari (or 'scarf dress',) at Forever21, they almost certainly know the style is originally from India and are very unlikely to claim it was invented by a Westerner or worn by medieval Europeans. Equally curry is a great example of a dish that it's actually very difficult to pin down to a specific cultural group. Most modern curry recipes were developed in the West (particularly the UK) decades or even centuries ago, originally by South Asian immigrants who ran restaurants and adapted their food to local tastes. In the period since, they underwent a lot of cultural morphing to arrive at their present form. Based on your definition, both calling curry Indian and not calling curry Indian could be considered cultural appropriation. My problem with cultural appropriation as a concept is that it is so amorphous it's impossible to actually apply. There is no authority on which group cultural practices 'belong to' nor who is a member of that group nor any authority on what is and is not offensive or respectful. The result is just giving people on the internet (many of whom don't even identify with the culture in question) a reason to be morally offended at something no matter how benign it may be. Personally, the line I draw is with disrespecting things with particular spiritual or cultural significance flippantly e.g. wearing Native American headdresses for Halloween, beyond that 'cultural appropriation' is a normal human practice that all groups have done for as long as we've had culture.
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@sarahlippmann51593 жыл бұрын
I thought the thumbnail was a still from portlandia
@scotiadunlop3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I choose my 97% vegan life not worrying what others want to say about me. Haha i know I am minimizing my harm, and living how my body feels best.
@baylees98003 жыл бұрын
same!
@Lucas434343 жыл бұрын
Veganism at the very least means not giving your money to torture factories when you're not being forced to. If you're that close why not go another 3% when there are vegan alternatives to just about every food you might have a weakness for?
@therabbithat3 жыл бұрын
@@Lucas43434 you were so close to being respectful, why not go that last 3% and actually be respectful?
@Lucas434343 жыл бұрын
@@therabbithat Didn't mean to sound disrespectful, but if I did it's only because I take this issue very seriously.
@scotiadunlop3 жыл бұрын
@@Lucas43434 I also take this issue very seriously, as I have never consumed animal flesh since being a zygote, but I am also realistic. It would be unrealistic of me to say I am 100 percent unless I live off the land and produce everything my self, I can not be sure that it hasn’t caused any harm, correct? It is interesting you just assume it’s me unable to control my “cravings” though.... it’s not all about consumption of foods as I am sure you are aware. To be honest, expecting perfection and gatekeeping in this community is a huge problem. How disheartening would it be for someone to try and dip a toe into the vegan world, just to be in trouble for not being 100 percent perfect. So I am happy at a realistic 97 percent, thank you.
@catmom17383 жыл бұрын
They look lk characters on portlandia
@Olivetree803 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it feels like a Portlandia skit without the humor
@orirune30793 жыл бұрын
The weird sort of infantilizing pillow fort aesthetic is also just off-putting. These are grown adults, not children. Also the woman's demeanor and facial expressions just seem off. She seems kinda like a teacher talking to a really dumb child and trying SO hard not to be patronizing, but failing.
@taweave23 жыл бұрын
I thought the exact same thing! It's like a Portlandia nightmare because it's not parody at all, yet it tries all of this chaotic goofiness to deliver a completely serious conversation lol.
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@panmartins3 жыл бұрын
In Brasil there's a company that used to make a traditional kind of cheese here and they transitioned to make tofu the same way
@panmartins3 жыл бұрын
They are called Uai Tofu
@panmartins3 жыл бұрын
@@K.Kitbex I believe it is. The cool thing about Uai Tofu is that it was a dairy farm for a few generations and the current owner decided to change. I think that's really brave
@panmartins3 жыл бұрын
@@K.Kitbex oh! I just remembered Fugini. They are a company that makes canned sauces and stuff like canned corn and peas. They are slowly tuning everything vegan. Started with mayo and white sauce, already substituted their Bolognese with tvp. I love it. They have cheap products and have a great distribution. In a country so big with so little and expensive vegan options, that's great!
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@kleinespin12653 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're doing a video on this. I normally like goodfulls content, as i think they're doing a great job of showing people the variety of foods you can have on a vegan diet when creative, but this video was disappointing to say the least.
@darthsidius96313 жыл бұрын
Can you review Greg doucette's "sugar is, good for you" video?
@myfriendcow3 жыл бұрын
The thing with "cultural appropriation" is that I most often see it in the west and much much less (or close to none) in the actual countries that are being "appropriated". Wearing cultural clothes or eating their foods are very often appreciated and seen as a sign of respect (of course, if you are respectful about it, as with everything else). Every time I make any dish from any of my friends cultures, them and their families are really excited about it. The only times I see people complain about this are either white people (ironically) or a small amount of dispora (and A LOT of disporas disagree with them), which is a pretty small percentage of their "people".
@eliFreakland3 жыл бұрын
There's a lovely Sri Lankan woman who runs my local "Little India" grocery store and she loved giving me and my roommate cooking tips and tells us to make her favorite dishes and tell her how they turn out! It's one anecdote, but she has expressed that she appreciates young generations exploring the food of her culture; and I of course love exploring new cuisine I never grew up with in the first place. I also love that white people/ others not necessarily belonging to other cultures are trying to define literal cooking as appropriation...
@tillydavvers3 жыл бұрын
Was discussing animal agriculture land use the other day on FB - and someone tried to use an article saying 'why being vegan isn't always green' to try and rebute my statement that meat is much worse for the environment. In the article it literally said 'you cannot deny meat is the worst food group to the environment' it was fucking laughable
@yaash41233 жыл бұрын
Can we just call it cultural appreciation? I eat these foods because I like them!
@MM-mu5pz3 жыл бұрын
Generally, international foods are what brings us together. My experience having multicultural friends is that everyone loves to share their food with each other.
@ross30153 жыл бұрын
Same here! Using their logic, I (white guy) should only be eating at white-owned European restaurants because otherwise I'd be appropriating other cultures. Like give me a break.
@alissarichardson2413 жыл бұрын
Yay, I was hoping for a video on this!
@julieannelovesbooks3 жыл бұрын
I think that on the point of cultural appropriation it is important to make a distinction between appropriation and appreciation. I think trying new foods and tweaking recipes is pure appreciation. You’re not appropriating when you are just interested in trying new foods. I think opening a vegan restaurant and cooking a cuisine that isn’t from your culture and you’re mixing cuisines and it’s a fusion restaurant it’s good to make that clear. Don’t lead people to believe it’s authentic food from that cuisine, but that’s more about not misleading people than appropriation but I could be wrong.
@orirune30793 жыл бұрын
Cultural appropriation is an idea that has merit at its base, but has become twisted to the point that it's meaningless. The original idea is something like, don't take the religious iconography of a culture and use it in your commercials, or other things that are blatantly disrespectful. But it's just become a stupid woke-contest talking point where people use it to attack others for perceived slights.
@julieannelovesbooks3 жыл бұрын
@@orirune3079 that’s why I think it’s important to make a distinction between appropriation and appreciation. You can’t just call everything appropriation just because you want to come across as super woke.
@merrymachiavelli20413 жыл бұрын
@@julieannelovesbooks But even the 'appropriation' vs. 'appreciation' distinction is difficult to apply, because there isn't likely to be consensus (even within the source culture) about what counts as which. One Japanese person may view dressing as a Geisha/Meiko to be appropriative, another may view it as appreciative. One Jamaican might view wearing dreadlocks and listening to reggae appropriation, another appreciation of Jamaican culture. Even as a Westerner - I frequently watch/read East Asian media which features...creative...interpretations of Christianity/European culture. Hellsing, for example, is based on 20th century Protestant-British-Knights fighting against Catholic-Vatican-Priests with vampires and a lot of references to the Queen. I love it, but if were to apply the same standards to non-Western creators that we do to Westerners, and I were in any way religious, maybe that would count? Point is, it's a fuzzy line.
@julieannelovesbooks3 жыл бұрын
@@merrymachiavelli2041 you are absolutely right. It’s a fuzzy line and there’s no clear cut answer to what belongs in what category. I just mentioned it because I think it’s important to think about. I felt like the creators of the original video were just so scared of negative feedback that everything from other cultures becomes lava that you can’t touch or use or enjoy. One thing I always like to point out when talking about appropriation is oppression. As a white person I can dress a certain way, behave a certain way and change all of these things whenever I feel like without being oppressed the same way the people are where the clothings and behaviors come from. My body and my life aren’t policed the way other people’s bodies are, especially people from minority groups. This is why I don’t have such a problem with the way Christianity is depicted in things like anime, because historically speaking Christians have been the oppressors, not the oppressed. Therefore (mis)representation is less dangerous because these people are widely accepted and not dismissed for their religion. I’m not talking on an individual basis though. Everyone has their own experiences and I can’t speak to that. I’m sure some people have been ridiculed for their religion even in Christianity. But as a group they aren’t oppressed. As far as I know Christianity is still the largest religion by population, at 31% of all people on earth.
@loisavci33823 жыл бұрын
Wait, I need to stop making homemade salsa until Mexico says it's OK? No more homemade pizza til Italy weighs in? No more ice cream, mayonnaise (French) or sushi? Beer was invented in Egypt; what are we going to do about that?
@simonedebeauvoir85523 жыл бұрын
As an Italian I officially allow you to make pizza.
@dimanaboytcheva70783 жыл бұрын
Comment for the algorithm!
@davidlovesyeshua3 жыл бұрын
All hail the totally fair and not broken algorithm!
@dimanaboytcheva70783 жыл бұрын
@@davidlovesyeshua Sad but true
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@deea9583 жыл бұрын
Regarding cultural appropiation, I'd say the issue is that Samosa is now portrayed as a "Hot Pocket", meaning you change the "identity" of a traditional food, instead of educating yourself on the traditions behind it. I don't think the idea of eating foods from different cultures is a problem, but the transformation from, for example, a South Asian dish to a vegan trend is. Also the point about non white vegan existing is weak imo, because if you look at veganism nowadays, yes, there are people who do it for ethical, religious, enviornmental or other positivly justifiable reasons that are non white, but there is a significant increase of people who go vegan because it's the new hot thing people are doing. And here lies the issue when talking about cultures. It's awesome that a lot of people are becoming vegan especially from an ethical pov, however, them adopting traditional dishes from various cultures and claiming them as their own, aka vegan hot pockets instead of south asian samosa and then criticizing those same cultures for also having traditional dishes with animal products is very ignorant and harmful. When I say "they" I don't mean it on an individual level, but they as the community of vegans that are vegans just because it's trendy and they feel superior for caring for animals and the environment, without actually caring. In an era of globalization, it's natural for cultural exchange to occur, nonetheless, there are various forms in which it can occur and because of the past, historically certain cultures have been seen as less then and have been discriminated against. Nowadays lines are a bit blurry because of willing or forced immigration that happened over the last centuries, hence why it is important to give credit where credit is do and respectfully adopt into your diet in this case a dish from a different culture, while educating oneself in regards to it. During the Roman Empire, for example, when they conquered a new territory they would start the "romanization" process, which meant forcefully implementing their language, culture, technology, currency etc. onto the inhabitants of the newly conquered territory, while erasing the identity of the conquered ones, but keeping whatever they deemed useful and implementing it as their own element of identity and culture. In other words, cultural appropiation. Going back to current times, this is why it's important to credit the culture when promoting a certain dish. Like when you eat pasta, you think of Italy and Italians. Even though there is pasta everywhere nowadays, you can pin point a culture and region attributed to it. If we rebrand a traditional plant based vegan dish into a marketable vegan dish, eventually it will be impossible to pin point the origins of that dish and risk to contribute to a slow process of erasing elements of some cultures. This leads to the supremacy of a certain part of the population of one wannabe homogeneous culture, which actually is heterogeneous and discriminatory. And this is detrimental to the communities affected that also is transferred to an individual level. Sorry for my potential mistakes, I'm not native english.
@supernova6223 жыл бұрын
I wish I could like this comment 100x
@sarac.35683 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't it be called vegan hot pockets when the dish is called hot pockets by meat eaters? And also, what is the big deal with which country came up with which food? I appreciate it and I will eat it and replicate it and tweak it as I see fit. Cultural appropriation is a concept I don't understand anyway, but especially not in food. And about veganism being a trend - I'll tell you right now, being vegan is not easy. Depending where you're from of course, you might not have any vegan restaurants, shops, clothes. Not to mention the social stigma, which exists and I feel it every time I go somewhere where there's food, like dinner parties, or lunches or barbecues. Or even just casual hangouts where there's non-vegan snacks (various jinds of chips). I find that my go to response to why I'm not eating anything animal is I am alergic. So it stops all inquisition because I'm sick of it. So, it's not so easy and I guarantee that whoever is doing it because it's "trendy" will last a couple of months at most. Also, these people are in the minority, so I don't know why they even warrant a mention.
@ellenmontague84253 жыл бұрын
Tearing apart this video in the most ethical and practical way possible. Love it!
@shelbielynne96093 жыл бұрын
I clicked this so fricken fast.
@ricardo82633 жыл бұрын
same lol
@fannyboni4723 жыл бұрын
I liked it so fricken fast..
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@JuliasHairJourney3 жыл бұрын
Goodful had a recipe where they put roasted squash in a taco. Some of their recipes lack protein, from my starting to watch the channel.
@MeredithDomzalski3 жыл бұрын
Huh, thank you for the new perspective on quinoa. I'll check that out.
@tevydub27083 жыл бұрын
I'm khmer and I admit I sometimes get slightly annoyed ad the new hip and trendy S-E asian restaurants held by white people that pop everywhere? Obviously not at the point of hating them and thinking that it's "wrong", hell, I eat there sometimes and yeah the food can be great. It think the "appropriation" issue is obviously overblown, but I do understand a bit of the salt. I don't know how it was where you live, but here for example Asian restaurants have a very bad reputation of being dirty, greasy and shady, there is even a word for the "chinese-restaurant sickness" because of the supposed poisoning by glutamate monosodium (very common in asian cuisine). They say we serve cat and dog food, etc... But when white people open their chinese-french fusion tapas bar, now it's trendy and cool and everyone will buy their okay-ish pho for 15euros. It's not "wrong", I'm glad these people have a thriving business and try new things. But yeah. Just a slight salty feeling in the throat nonetheless. At least I hope (and I think it's happening) that it helps break the stigma as people develop more interest in the food they discover, and they end up exploring asian restaurants more. Just kind of frustrated that people couldn't do that without it. This obviously overlap far beyond veganism, and I think the defiance and annoyance from some POC comes from the very real experience of white people pinching their nose at traditionnal food but absolutely celebrating it when other white people make it. I hope it's clearer phrased that way. There is also a whole lot more to discuss about the "fetishisation" of "exotic" imagery in order to sell, but that's its own can of worms. Cultural appropriation is not "wrong", it's just something that happens with good or bad consequences I believe. But I also think that it's not unreasonnable to expect from people deciding to appropriate another culture, in order to build a business, to at least educate themselves and really take the time to understand the ramifications of this appropriation. (I'm specifically talking about business of course. If you like to cook indian food for yourself in your home I don't get why anyone would criticize you.)
@joannaolson50403 жыл бұрын
That Goodful video makes me so irrationally angry! I come across these "arguments" on social media all the time and it's exhausting. People debunk them left and right, but they get parroted again and again. Can people just stop for a moment and listen instead of hiding behind "wokeness" and effectively hurting the people they use as a shield against veganism? It's so dumb. Thank you Swayze for making this video. I will refere to it when I come across this stuff again.
@gb87403 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t make it through the first couple minutes lol (of that other video… not this one hah)
@annala29563 жыл бұрын
I dislike so many of their arguments but particularly the one about groups that depend on the livestock industry for their livelihood. The right makes the same argument about fossil fuels and if we don’t replace fossil fuels there is no hope for the planet. Change is part of progress. It’s not easy but most necessary things aren’t easy.
@AlexMor04063 жыл бұрын
It's seems like it's only Americans who care about cultural appropriation. People from the actual cultures never care. It's only the people who don't actually experience the culture they claim that want to claim ownership over it because they're great grandmother was from there. I don't think having an ancestor from a country gives you a right to police the culture! Like black people in America claiming ownership over African hairstyles. They don't get to claim ownership over that. You don't get to police other people's hair, that's crazy! When it comes down to it everything has a little bit of something else in it. Every recipe, every hairstyle, even clothing. There's inspiration taken from other cultures and transformed to make it their own yet when anyone else does that They yell cultural appropriation? It just seems like a bunch of people who don't understand history!
@Peopleofthesun3863 жыл бұрын
Exactly. its actually white people who care about it more.
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. I have bi polar.Her book was so bad. Her videos are the best.
@JennRighter3 жыл бұрын
Their video is so grating. 🤦♀️ if they were too scared to be forthcoming, they shouldn’t have made the video at all.
@pcaul81563 жыл бұрын
Them going on about white appropriation followed by them appropriating other cultures actual need for animals to survive lol
@marissadanielle24693 жыл бұрын
The use of a samosa as an example of "stealing" food from a culture is especially hilarious, since potatoes originated in the Americas and were brought over to Europe/Asia sometime within the past 500 years.
@orirune30793 жыл бұрын
Ahahaha almost like they have no idea what they're talking about.
@charlieaustin19423 жыл бұрын
I forgot to take my meds! Just ignore what I wrote!
@orirune30793 жыл бұрын
@Swayze's teacher what is with you weird trolls all over her videos?
@pjryon22763 жыл бұрын
@@orirune3079 I forgot to take my meds.
@MamaLinz1233 жыл бұрын
@@orirune3079 I think this person has at least 4 different troll accounts. Very strange and bizarre!
@lekiscool3 жыл бұрын
Honestly food and music tend to be a grey area in appropriation. Especially since it’s a way to share your culture with people. Eating curry isn’t seen the same as doing a sacred/traditional dance.
@himanshu897213 жыл бұрын
No it's bullshit
@AndrewFeinberg13 жыл бұрын
I share your frustration with the woke discussion of cultural appropriation. We as a species would not have advanced one percent as far as we have if it were not for borrowing and blending cultural elements. The idea of a real and holy separation between cultures is an illusion put forth by people who are often trying to compensate for white guilt, which is truly meaningless when we're talking about lentils and quinoa.
@emmab.13283 жыл бұрын
Been craving your content recently LMAO
@catalyst37133 жыл бұрын
Cultural appropriation isn't wrong. Change my mind.
@Celestina03 жыл бұрын
Some is, some isn’t. Disrespectful cultural appropriation is wrong.
@catalyst37133 жыл бұрын
@@stumpyplank6092 Cultures, by their very nature, are constantly evolving, and don't have definitive boundaries. This necessitates the merging and appropriating of other cultures. To arbitrarily setboundaries on any culture is impractical, and implies that culture is immutable, which is absurd. But even if it was possible to set boundaries, why would anyone want to, considering that would be antithetical to progress? From these premises, how can it be wrong to appropriate culture, since that is the a tenet of all cultures in the first place?
@Celestina03 жыл бұрын
@@catalyst3713 there’s a notable absence in your premises - power. When cultural appropriation becomes contentious is when majority, powerful cultures take advantage of, claim as their own, and profit from the traditions and features of minority cultures.
@veridianroots3 жыл бұрын
Only through commentary channels can I just about tolerate watching videos like this by goodful or WIL :D
@jennoscura23813 жыл бұрын
I am Mexican, Finnish, and Jewish. I hereby give people permission to put refried beans on their bagels and wash it all down with lots of coffee. Seriously, food is all about cultural appreciation. So many "traditional" food were inspired by foods from other cultures. Mexican pastries were appropriated from the French. Tacos al pastor are cooked on a vertical spit. They got the idea from Lebanese immigrants in Mexico city making shawarma. Do the woke people eat potatoes? Because those are originally from South America. FFS let's enjoy stuff from other cultures. I have found vegan kimchee at Kroger affiliates. Kimchee on ramen is delicious. I am sure Cheap Lazy Vegan would have no problem with a round eye like me eating kimchee.
@MT-fk4ky3 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about eggs from pet backyard chickens? I’m almost completely vegan because it really bothers me to destroy a life in order to consume it, but I do eat eggs that I get from friends who have hens that are super happy and treated really well. They are literally pets. I feel ok about that 🤷🏻♀️
@halcyonandonandonandon3 жыл бұрын
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@debbietampasheher36823 жыл бұрын
The only concern I have with taking eggs from my friend's backyard chickens is where the hens came from originally. If my friend had bought them from a garden supply store the chicks there come from hens from who knows where and the male chicks are still often killed right after hatching. Just something to consider. *edited a typo :)
@MT-fk4ky3 жыл бұрын
That’s a good point, I’m not sure where their chicks came from 😔 I do know they have a rooster as well as hens but I don’t know where they got them from. I’m pretty new to all this so still figuring it out. I just see happy fluffy chickens running up when her daughter comes outside and her daughter picks them up and pets them and it seems like all is right with the world. Ugh! Why do all our systems have to suck 😫
@debbietampasheher36823 жыл бұрын
@@MT-fk4ky it is frustrating having these effed up systems. I just do the best I can. Don't be too hard on yourself. You're doing great! :)
@cookingisevil58293 жыл бұрын
HUMANS ARE FRUGIVORES COOKED FOOD IS TOXIC VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST THERE IS NO PANDEMIC VACCINES ARE TOXIC KNOWLEDGE AND PROPER EDUCATION HELP A LOT
@edgars75243 жыл бұрын
7:45 Environmental issues are also ethical issues. If we are talking about how we ought to act, then we are talking about ethics. And when are discussing environmental issues we are talking about how we ought to act, so these are also discussions about ethics.
@VAA-423 жыл бұрын
It's not helpful to say cultural appropriation is bad when it is so nuanced. People are very multi cultural these days. I'm not going to wear a sari but I'll eat a curry. One of England's national dishes is a curry. Scotland's haggis has its origins in middle Eastern cooking. And can it go the opposite way? Can I tell an Indian guy who's just moved to England he can't wear a black suit and bowler hat and don't you dare cook fish n chips. It's crazy! I know there is such a thing as cultural appropriation that IS problematic but to say nope sorry you can't eat that cultures food or wear anything remotely similar is crazy. How are we to celebrate each others cultures, experience something new?!
@verydisco48153 жыл бұрын
Thanks UV for such a good response video!
@DebugYourBrain3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate these responses. Organized, well reasoned, and thorough as always.
@valid_sound_and_furious9613 жыл бұрын
One thing that makes people shit on other cultures' styles and food less is....those people being familiar and comfortable with those foods and styles. More people embracing those things is good for everyone I would think!
@DanielSanchez-oi9et3 жыл бұрын
I’m majoring in social anthropology and in our discipline that studies culture and social dynamics, cultural appropriation is just unavoidable for humans groups that are constantly in contact with each other. Condemning the so-called cultural appropriation is simply dumb and implies a definition of culture and society that is simply inaccurate and wrong.
@DanielSanchez-oi9et3 жыл бұрын
We have several and several case studies reporting how groups interact with each other, and how these interactions bring cultural changes. Culture is dynamic and social phenomena such as migration and globalization are great examples of it.
@DanielSanchez-oi9et3 жыл бұрын
And also, a pattern I have noticed in social media is that people who preach against cultural appropriation don’t even belong to X or Y culture that is being “appropriate”. And people who DO belong to X or Y culture that is being “appropriate” often would find simply dumb or funny such “appropriation”
@Celestina03 жыл бұрын
We all know cultures borrow and interact with each other - but these interactions aren’t always benign, but are often based on power, exploitation, and violence. Debates about cultural appropriation start when a majority culture claims the products of a minority culture as its own or tries to profit from them. Then there’s loads of thorny issues involved.
@ganasde653 жыл бұрын
I don’t get why Americans are so obsessed with the “purity” of a culture and are against culture fusion restaurants...cultures are constantly evolving especially in the US where they are always being exchanged and influenced by other cultures
@Johnnzee3 жыл бұрын
I’m Mexican and I don’t give a damn if anyone wants to make tacos, enchiladas, etc...you love the food then make it! If they wanna open a Mexican restaurant...do it! That is not a problem. People need to stop assuming that every person in every culture is going to be offended. Stop walking on egg shells people. Do what you want, eat what you want. If your intentions are good, that’s all that matters. This is yet another fabricated, first world country problem.
@skylark61673 жыл бұрын
Cultural appropriation as I've understood it is when a cultural item is taken and used for mockery or in a disrespectful manner, such as performing a religious ritual without being a believer in the religion or doing some other ceremony or wearing an item that has a level of seriousness attached without reason or appropriate seriousness, or when you take a cultural item that has in some way been denied to those who it originated from, like that thing with white fashion models with cornrows when that's still too often seen as an unprofessional or unattractive hairstyle on black people. I guess this could occasionally be the case for certain vegan business owners if they're raising costs to sell to more well off vegans or selling ceremonious foods or pushing people from that culture out of the industry, but these are very niche circumstances that don't in any way reflect on veganism or vegans as a whole.
@danielreignavarro96132 жыл бұрын
You're videos are so amazing, they make you think rationally. I feel like the fact that you don't have millions of subscribers says a lot about the world
@inluvwithglitter3 жыл бұрын
Not saying that I agree or disagree with veganism and the link to cultural appropriation, but I am disappointed you didnt present more information about cultural appropriation in general and instead, just went with the stance that you know little about it, it confuses you, and you dont understand it. You typically do research for other topics but I am confused as to why little effort was put into this point. Even if you personally dont care, you should be respectful and try to educate yourself about the impact it has on ethnic minorities and then present your opinion given studies you find on the subject like you normally do
@genb64133 жыл бұрын
As someone who does know what cultural appropriation is, it most certainly doesnt relate to food. It's not even an inherently negative thing, especially in art: see Gordon Bennett's 'Outsider'
@sunsundks38913 жыл бұрын
The video they made is too strange
@TheHuskr0073 жыл бұрын
You thought "bacon though" was bad... Introducing "cars though" SMH
@porchturds81493 жыл бұрын
I eat alot of watermelon. I also grow it myself 9 months out of the year.
@nom3nnescio3 жыл бұрын
you have watermelonbabys? lol
@davidbrownstein32593 жыл бұрын
Sorry about my comments. I have a mental illness
@christinetaylor57263 жыл бұрын
#1~The idea that someone has to eat the exact foods that their ancestors ate is totally irrational and stupid...(going how far back in the generations?)(also we're all mutts. So, which ancestors are we only allowed to copy?)(and what if we want to eat beans, but our ancestors didn't have beans available?) #2~There is a saying: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Anyone should be flattered that someone else wants to enjoy the food from their culture. #3~There are no patents on recipes. There is nothing illegal or immoral about people making other cultures recipes. The idea that there is something wrong with a black person choosing to make a chinese recipe is just silly. This "woke" business needs to stop.
@sarahj89953 жыл бұрын
Hey so, south Asian-Canadian vegan here. Re: appropriation. I mostly agree with your perspective, about how if it helps with vegan food become more appealing or accessible to people, then yay. What’s really annoying though is that example from the video of samosas being re-branded as something else, as things I’ve seen with other South Asian foods. It gets annoying when a) people (I don’t care if they’re white or not) act like they invented it and don’t acknowledge the original roots of the item and b) they profit off of this, again, acting as the inventor. Some recognition would be nice, which most companies actually do, so I’m really annoyed with just a minority! Other than that, I actually wish people would branch out and try other cuisine’s foods and expand their palates so that we can all win when these cuisines become more widespread!!
@koolaidjerk3 жыл бұрын
Do I need to know the historical significance of everything I eat, or am I allowed to name food based off of the ingredients and properties? What if I'm in an area where people don't know what samosas are, am I expected to hurt my own business to try and educate them or can I just call it something they'll understand? It's pretty obnoxious to expect everyone everywhere to call their food what you think it should be called. If a culture calls fondue "cheese sauce" then who cares? They aren't disrespecting the Swiss, they're marketing it for the people who live nearby. Cultures are not people. Nobody is claiming to have invented the idea of putting food inside dough. If they make their own twist on it then it is their dish. No one alive today can claim to have "invented" samosas, and there are similar dishes all over the world. Indians don't have any special say in the regulation or attribution of samosas. No one will argue that samosas are a traditional Indian food, but they are eaten everywhere under different names and we don't need to say that every time we sell one. If you create a menu, choose the ingredients, choose the cooking method, and prepare the food, then the food is yours, and you can call it whatever you want.
@sarahj89953 жыл бұрын
@@koolaidjerk Uhh I don’t disagree with you? I realize now I didn’t make it clear, but I was referring to actual products that literally wholly rebrand its history and claim that it’s their invention. It’s disingenuous. I don’t expect this recognition to be given to people who obviously recreate and borrow from other cuisines?!
@sarahj89953 жыл бұрын
@@koolaidjerk that being said though, if someone claims to avoid going vegan BECAUSE it “appropriates”, yeah that’s some undeniable bs. And sadly, I have heard this before. Sigh
@cookingisevil58293 жыл бұрын
HUMANS ARE FRUGIVORES COOKED FOOD IS TOXIC VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST THERE IS NO PANDEMIC VACCINES ARE TOXIC KNOWLEDGE AND PROPER EDUCATION HELP A LOT
@ashleyapple19173 жыл бұрын
RE: on the cultural appropriation point...there is nothing wrong with eating those dishes. But I will disagree and say we ought not to glaze over who gets to profit from *selling* those dishes. I think that's what the original video was hinting at. Opening up a vegan Japanese fusion restaurant seems harmless until you realize that the family-owned vegan Japanese restaurant that was *already there* is getting less business because people find that same food more palatable coming from a white restauranteur. When the communities that create those dishes aren't making a fraction of the money that others from outside that community are making, that is an issue. Or when a cultural community relies on certain plant based foods being accessible and affordable and then the westernization of that food/ingredient/dish exponentially increases its cost. This makes it less accessible to people who've enjoyed it as part of their cultural tradition and not merely for fun or curiosity. This has happened frequently in the whitewashing of the yoga community as well. Nothing wrong with enjoying or appreciating culinary traditions, but we ought to be cognizant of the space we take up and who we silence or erase in doing so without intention. Veganism should be inclusive, and there so many vegans of color who don't get nearly as much exposure because of the aforementioned phenomenon. I live in Atlanta where a huge Black and Asian vegan community exists and their food businesses are thriving. But it isn't that way everywhere. Whitewashing veganism IS harmful because when people feel pushed out or alienated, they think it is not for them. Not related directly, but just look at how it alienates POCs when some cringey folks compare speciesism to racism. It's not helpful to overlook that whitewashing veganism has material consequences and can cause harm to folks.
@shahissbb3 жыл бұрын
Indian here: with regards to cultural appropriation I don't think anyone thinks making or eating food from another culture is wrong. The issue is when they take something from another culture and parade it as something new and "western". An example of this is the UKs national dish. Its a dish that came from British colonisation of India but is now coined as a British dish (chicken tikka masala)? A better example with veganism is seitan. Traditionally a Korean/Chinese food with other East Asian countries using it, it should be appreciated as such. Instead it is seen as simply a vegan recipe. There's ofcourse nothing wrong with making these dishes and all if you are educating yourself about its history and traditional usage. As for making a restaurant or selling, again I'd say its fine if you encourage education about the culture through it as well, and have people that know a lot about the culture and belongs to that culture work alongside you. The main issue is culture being lost and rebranded as something western. As long as that doesn't happen its all good (imo). The history of something shouldn't be lost because there maybe a really significant reason for it to exist. Black people and the way they do their hair for example was a very important part of their culture for many reasons one of them being coping through slavery as they would often have their hair shaved against their will, or be told its factually wrong and unappealing/devilish to have hair like that which is obviously not true at all. There is also spiritual significance to their hair which should be respected. Their hair played and still does a significant part of their identity and its not fair for others to take that and wear it as an aesthetic considering its history and how much it means. Thats a run down of why cultural appropriation is wrong and what it actually is (loss of history and significance of that thing to another persons/populations whole identity paired with historic racism). I really respect what you said about the fact that there are non-white vegans in the West and that you talked about history of veganism as well because that's the point :)
@BooTedesco3 жыл бұрын
Imagine trying so hard to not offend people that you offend people.....sounds like America
@GHo2243 жыл бұрын
For quinoa though, I would suggest watching a dw documentary called superfoods. Talks of the environmental impact of the quinoa hype. It is an interesting documentary
@sarahoftheshire3 жыл бұрын
Non vegan here, I love your videos. Reasonable people I disagree with are some of my favorite people to watch.
@scarleth45423 жыл бұрын
Yeess!! I was waiting for this video!!
@forestgreen90023 жыл бұрын
It's frightening how common place being antiwhite is fashionable for the far left. As a poc it frightens me not only because it's wrong to be racist towards anyone but it helps justify racism towards poc. After all if they can do it why can't we sort of logic. Is it so hard to state unequivocally that being racist is wrong regardless who it's done to.
@Peopleofthesun3863 жыл бұрын
No such thing as far left kid. most leftists are actually white. your comment is dull
@forestgreen90023 жыл бұрын
@@Peopleofthesun386 "Far" in front of something is colloquially used interchangeably with extreme. There are extreme variants of all sort of political ideologies and that includes the left. It would be incredibly arrogant to pretend somehow the left is exempt from that. And yes there is a contingent of the left that Is very antiwhite. And just because the majority of the left is white doesn't negate that for poc between the ages of 13-35 the overwhelming majority of them live in big urban areas where it's statistically likely they're on the left and at the least liberal to some capacity. It's also worth noting that many of these white and poc have a tendency to be what could be called "antiwhite" or having unfavorable attitudes to persons, or the idea of whiteness. To deny this would be unbelievably charitable to an extent you're obtuse, bad faith or disingenuous. There's thousands of compilations online documenting this tendency of the left.
@Peopleofthesun3863 жыл бұрын
@@forestgreen9002 In this country there is no such thing as far left. Not politically and not socially and unless you can poinr to a specific group and not some isolated events from an individual person proving that the left is anti white. Then there is really no argument to be had. Facts over feelings.
@forestgreen90023 жыл бұрын
@@Peopleofthesun386 I love how you didn't address any of my argument and just reiterated your own without having to engage at all with my dissent. At that point what's even the point of engaging?
@Peopleofthesun3863 жыл бұрын
@@forestgreen9002 I will engage if you give me a solid example not an isolated event. You did not proved anything. You gave me an opinion not a fact, I cannot debate delusions or anecdotal evidence. Not my thing
@mobilebipod3 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting how involved vegans get into environmental and health related arguments for veganism when the basic premise for veganism, which you expose, is: consuming animals is morally wrong. If that is your belief, then it really doesn't matter about all the rest. Even if veganism is less healthy or more environmentally intensive, it would still be morally wrong if that's what you believe. As for myself, I have a particular interest in food systems and a body politic referred to as food sovereignty. I believe people (whole communities and nations of people) should have democratic control over their food production and distribution. Rather than focusing on DIETARY choices, which is required by veganism among other kinds of food philosophies, food sovereignty allows for the wide variety of culturally appropriate cuisines that have developed over millinea and returns to them their capacity to produce and distribute that food within their communities and to have democratic rights over the trade of those resources beyond their regional borders. It's a counter to the current economic reality of capitalist production and distribution. And here's a problem vegans are gonna need to resolve if you wanna hold onto your beliefs in the future: according to many estimates I've read, we have less than 100 harvests remaining with our soil, which is dying. Monocultures and the extractive practices therein are literally killing the soil. There is no diet within capitalism that is not based on extractive, resource depleting practices including veganism. If you really care about the animals, including the human ones, you really gotta account for HOW we are going to continue producing food long term. Not just WHAT we should eat. Not just relativist comparisons that do not interrogate capitalism. And while I expect that many more people will be persuaded to adopt a plant based diet, it's not a solid gamble. The recidivism rate for vegans is damn near 90% and most people do not believe that it is immoral to eat food that humans eat, and have been eating since humans. If vegans are not thinking about and working toward regenerative food production and alternatives to the current geo-political exploitive labor practices and ways of distributing resources and wealth, it's really not gonna matter what the fuck you believe about human diets cause we are all headed into the shitter together regardless.
@mobilebipod3 жыл бұрын
*exploitative
@berniv73753 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Interesting analysis and conclusion.🌱
@LookingGlassLibrary Жыл бұрын
If 2014 pseudo-intellectual tumblr shitposting was a video, it would be theirs. I've never seen two people speak so seriously while managing to saying nothing.
@blehblehblehdracula3 жыл бұрын
This conversation is bizarre to me.
@-Foxy-Fox-3 жыл бұрын
You're the only vegan channel on KZbin I enjoy watching. I'm not vegan myself for medical reasons, though I do enjoy lots vegan foods. II like that you seem pretty logical, practical, and insightful. ✌💚🤘
@ilanywah3 жыл бұрын
I think it's appropriation when non-Asian western vegans think tofu is made solely for vegans. I've seen so many people in groups who have no clue tofu isn't primarily consumed or made for vegans. (Australian context).
@ang50353 жыл бұрын
Fruitarians were included in the studies cited - I wish Unnatural Vegan went into more detail about what the share of people practicing varying degree of veganism. If there are so many fruitarians, then that could be a valid point on environmental footprint of vegan diets.
@ofpine3 жыл бұрын
I wish someone more educated and experienced with veganism had been part of their discussion
@el-bov80343 жыл бұрын
If you'd only worn dungarees 😀
@raincoathaveli3 жыл бұрын
I think they were pinpointing on how dishes are rebranded to erase its origin. So for instance, if you are making and/or selling a samosa, but call it a 'vegan pocket' and pretend it's not an Indian dish. This is actual appropriation because you have taken something and pretended it was yours and sold it. I don't think they meant that you shouldn't eat a diverse amount of dishes, its just about taking credit and making money from something that you nor your culteral lineage created.
@the_tversky3 жыл бұрын
But even putting some kind of filling into piece of dough and cooking/frying it is somthing a lot of cultures do. It is not exclusive to the one culture and neither are the ingredinets used in the filling. Trying to say someone 'apropriated' this specific dish is at the same time 'demeaning' to all other cultures with close or similar recipe.
@koolaidjerk3 жыл бұрын
Do we really need to know the historical significance of every dish we eat or am I allowed to describe food I make based on its properties and ingredients? Indians don't "own" samosas. Plenty of other people around the world have independently made similar things. You don't need to be of a certain cultural lineage to make food or sell food my guy, or we wouldn't let ethnic minorities work at McDonalds. That's super racist. If an Asian girl wants to make and sell French-inspired pastries there's nothing wrong with that, and she can call them whatever she wants. It's not appropriation.
@raincoathaveli3 жыл бұрын
Actually food is an important part of culture. Many of this dishes are unique to a specific place and people. Removing its name and rebranding it to erase where it came from in order to gain profit is appropriation and not okay. Just make a vegan version of the food and called it a vegan _____ and move on. I don't know why people have such an issue with that.
@raincoathaveli3 жыл бұрын
@@koolaidjerk again you are not getting it. It's not about 'owning a dish' its about intentionally erasing its name and origin and pretending its something YOU created. Samosas are from India and are unique to India. Anyone can eat them, make them and love them but when you try to call them something different, go out of your way to erase where they are from and then profit off of them thats not okay. Just call it a vegan samosa, thats what it is(though samosas are often vegan anyway).
@cookingisevil58293 жыл бұрын
HUMANS ARE FRUGIVORES COOKED FOOD IS TOXIC VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST THERE IS NO PANDEMIC VACCINES ARE TOXIC KNOWLEDGE AND PROPER EDUCATION HELP A LOT
@lizzieb73733 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I love your balanced commentary!
@jessblack-curtain94353 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy you covered this video. I watched it when it first came out and just thought, oh great more "It's ok to not be vegan even though we are capable bullshit ". I took it as a piece non-vegans could use to justify their anti-vegan stance but honestly the most irritating thing for me personally in the video was when they mentioned foods like avocado and quinoa. Plenty of people particularly following other "healthy" diets (keto, paleo, low-carb etc) eat these foods regularly. They aren't exclusively vegan but they acted as if the increase in demand was purely from veganism alone.
@Magnulus762 жыл бұрын
Vegetarianism helped me appreciate other cultures, that's the opposite of cultural appropriation. In the US, there's actually a higher percentage of minorities that are vegans, than white people.
@username01223 жыл бұрын
How about they also consider the lack of priviledge of animals?
@daniellecabalis37393 жыл бұрын
lol i hated that video. it felt like it was delivered by people with pre existing bias about veganism and they were trying to come up with so many random arguments against vegan it ended up not even making sense. and they COMPLETELY avoided talking about animal welfare/cruelty is the main reason so many people stay vegan! so disappointing and distasteful.
@claragrica3 жыл бұрын
Well, it can be insulting that clame about Peru, but fact is that right now, the brazilian federal government is doing exactly that, letting so much food to be exported with out making a reserve that the price is getting impossible to a lot of people to buy even rice. Don't under estimate the possibility of that happening, it is happening right now, not in Peru, but it is.
@cullenn21002 жыл бұрын
I wonder how they'd respond to the "people will lose their livelihoods" argument regarding: the auto industry, the oil industry, the arms industry..!