Unraveling 35: Side Effects May Include

[@AJ-me1dg]

We've taught multiple generations that right and wrong are subjective, and then we're surprised when a few lunatics act out "their truth."

[@AJ-me1dg]

@Wait so I can put anything "Those people would’ve acted out regardless of a presence of an objective right and wrong." You do not know that. Atheism was one of the aspects of the communist Soviet Union that made it so bloody. In their minds, there was no God they'd be judged by in the end. Like Dostoevsky said, "If there is no God, everything is permitted."

[@AJ-me1dg]

@Wait so I can put anything Compare the death count from Soviet Union Russia to any religious war. I'm saying saying religions haven't caused a ton of suffering, but the two aren't even comparable. I 100% disagree with what you wrote about morality. By your logic, the Nazi's weren't actually wrong. I would say even stealing is objectively wrong. If you want to say it's not, I'll come steal your TV, and you won't be able to complain.

[@Cxntury_]

Well said

[@izlofton97]

Preach

[@mrbubbles69able]

Tome that is a great point

[@Tacit_Tern]

*Jocko Willink is the Reluctant Leader we need.* .....We know you've done enough, but your Nation needs you. 🇺🇸 *2024* 🦅

[@ebarobyre2720]

He doesn't have the time

[@Tacit_Tern]

@@ebarobyre2720 Good. Someone will finally be able to properly delegate in the white house, to qualified candidates not selected based upon nepotism. But personally, I believe someone should have experience in the House of Representatives before going for POTUS. Let's see how people do with a state before they take care of the country.

[@ryanstoyles7611]

@@ebarobyre2720 he doesnt want to do it, while we have water, electricity, food and internet? maybe EVERYBODY ELSE should step up and stop focusing on the cult celebrity of politics, just a thought

[@JaneDoe-tn8tn]

@@ryanstoyles7611 It isn't celebrity when the position of Commander in Chief is a military position. It's not like considering a celebrity for POTUS.

[@fallen1805]

Indeed

[@germanstudent06]

I firmly believe if Jocko told a story of just mowing his lawn I'd still be on the edge of my seat lol

[@kellytourigny4228]

Sad

[@falkaa88]

Please upload to YT all the Unravelling episodes. I know I can listen to them elsewhere (and I do), but video makes the difference. Thank you for all the great work.

[@alexanderpetrenko539]

Cooper brings so much to the table I often re-listen to these on Podbean multiple times. Great work.

[@Snafu-23]

Excellent points. I also think isolation and lack of community in our society are big factors as well.

[@animula6908]

The biggest factors. No one bats an eye over why there are all these alienated people around or what needs to be done about that. It’s as if we think this is how people are supposed to feel about life.

[@anneyaquechavez3264]

Love listening ning to these convos. Helps pass the work hours. And learn something new. I guess all vets gravitate to other vets. Love the positive vibes

[@howardhowe3453]

This is a conversation that the world should have. Thank you Jacko.

[@glocktown21]

Breakdown of the Family. Kids have no guidance or medicated. Or the parents are medicated and absentee parents. I think this is a MAJOR contributing factor.

[@michaelr.3799]

This is such an important and powerful discussion. Thank you for sharing this.

[@tamcaplan3552]

Okay am overwhelmed and very thankful for all of you. Am strong but up against evil.

[@JohnStockton7459]

The one everyone forgets about is the bath school masacre. In 1927 a teacher at the school lost an election and killed his wife, burned down his farm, and bombed the school killing 40+ kids. He left a note at his residence saying "criminals are made, not born".

[@kekistanimememan170]

A German man once attacked a school with a flamethrower in the 80s I believe.

[@thomaslombardi9421]

So glad you put this on KZbin. Mini clips will be even better please. There are so many good, sharable parts to this conversation

[@jasonwilliams4390]

Jocko willink is actually having the meaningful conversations about real issues, great job sir!

[@andrabook8758]

correction: jocko willink is STILL having conversations with the guy who was telling everyone he wants to give free publicity and financial support to ''former" terrorists who wrote books about their butchery and now want to profit from it. How very disappointing..... this used to be a cool podcast which doesn't disgust me to my very core. But I think it's time to say bye-bye.

[@andrabook8758]

the only thing which disgusts me more is that he brought him back to talk about sensitive topics like a school shooting (!!) when we all know his buddy there would probably get off on being friends with the criminal.

[@billorights1596]

This particular episode should be listened to a couple times over.

[@S6WLUKAS]

The thing I learned from my own - less than ideal - childhood [beside humility] was the power of being of service to others, or to something!... sometimes the best thing for your trauma, is to help put the pin back in someone else's grenade. So much of what troubles society today is due to a lack of purpose and a lack of place, and the foresight to build those places where they are absent. Over used but true -- "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth".

[@pnmwngy1]

This. Agree 100%, thanks for sharing. the overused quote was good , but I prefer yours: best thing for your trauma is to help put the pin back in someone else’s grenade

[@bibby1391]

Jocko, I just want to say thank you for reminding me of who I really am as a person. I was put down for much of my life after my mom left and now at 19 I am 150% positive I will be in the navy seals I am training extensively in every way I can right now. The name is Kevin Smith and I hope to sit and have a conversation with you one day sir.

[@johnnyamerica4336]

You’re starting off on the wrong foot Kevin. Feeling sorry for yourself makes you weak, and there isn’t a single instructor at BUDs that will give a damn about your past. Everyone has had obstacles to overcome in life, it’s those who erase them and sprint to the finish line who win, not those who look over their shoulder or complain they didn’t have a good position at the start of the race!

[@YaMammaWarnedYa]

@@johnnyamerica4336 Wow, how motivating!! 🙄🙄👎 Never, even ONCE did this young Man state or Emply he had pity for himself. Who tf are you!!!??? NO ONE. That's who. Pathetic

[@YaMammaWarnedYa]

I have the Upmost faith In you. 🙏 Keep me updated if you ever remember this comment!! I'm cheering for you!!! Now Go Get Some!!!!⚡💪💪

[@johnnyamerica4336]

@@YaMammaWarnedYa - LOL, that’s right, I’m a nobody. You have NO idea from what position I offer this advice, but there are plenty of people like you who jump into a lake without knowing the depth of the water! So go ahead, jump.

[@johnnyamerica4336]

@@YaMammaWarnedYa - PS- it always looks more intelligent when you go off on someone, that you at least know how to spell and use proper grammar.

[@jenx8842]

Listening to this entire podcast. It's so Educational and Intelligent, I'm afraid the greater percentage of people may not be able to grasp the Flood Lights that you just gave the world and the public. Well spoken. This should be part of 7th graders geography and social studies. 🙏👍💪

[@JamesStray]

There are some shooters that were on anti-psychotics. There are studies linking anti-psychotics to violent and/or suicidal behavior. Some of them are kids who are prescribed these before their prefrontal cortex is fully formed.

[@ryanstoyles7611]

buddy the amount of drugs and inappropriate chemicals subjected to the pre-developed BRAIN AS A WHOLE - is mystifying the one developed nation on our planet that has no added flouride in their water? Same country holds the record for highest average life expectancy sumimmasen. kore ya wa kubasi miziou onagaeshemash

[@kentb8621]

I recognized elliot Rogers words immediately. His manifesto is fascinating. He was seriously seriously delusional and sick but it gives a ton of insight into the mind of entitled psychopaths. Elliot felt he was a victim and that life was supposed to just bring him good things, largely because he was born into wealth and thought that good things were just handed to the successful people around him. In all of his book he complains about women not accepting or respecting him, not showing him affection, and he starts a conversation with about two of them in his entire life. When they didn’t immediately accept him and throw themselves at him, it validated his delusional worldview that no woman would ever love him. Of course ironically his “day of retribution” insured that would forever be the case. A self fulfilling prophecy. He could not accept or realize the fact that for every success a man has, whether it be with women or career, he most likely had 10+ failures behind the scenes. Even the most desirable men are denied by women all the time. But they only need a small percentage to accept them to be successful. If you want the good life, you have to be willing to persist thru a plethora of failure and adversity. Wish someone could have gotten that thru elliot’s thick skull.

[@devilsadvocate1685]

You know what is truly sick, as they highlighted early on, there are girls who do/did fall in love with these troubled young men after the fact. In a long, round about way, he got exactly what he wanted, love and admiration. I mean how sick is that, after everything, that is where the love where him was found.

[@TheRexTera]

Children grow up without any connections. Many of the young adults interact primarily with people they don’t connect with. It’s not just bullying and harassment. Many young teenagers don’t have any friends at school. They go home to distanced overworked and underplayed parents. They go online and chat with people they don’t know and play video games with people that’s just “NPCs”.

[@tonyyoung4590]

Your eyes and ears are portals to our soul for what it's worth!

[@toddpickens]

Thank you sir for covering this.

[@robertphillips93]

This is a great discussion. But, there is one very important factor missing from your enumeration of modern corrosive influences on individuals and on society as a whole -- diet. Harvard psychiatrist Chris Palmer has a forthcoming book entitled Brain Energy, in which he documents the growing number of clinical studies and patient experiences in treating serious mental illness, including schizophrenia, with food. Modern manufactured foodstuffs are deficient in products essential for optimal brain functioning, while supplying generous servings of substances that are harmful to many in both long- and short-term health issues.

[@kandflauretti9598]

Also just the amount of people you can kill in a short time period is a big factor not mentioned. Also the need for power not discussed. None of these people are trying to right society or themselves. They just want to feel powerful many times.

[@bonniehoff7114]

I agree, diet is huge

[@matthewemmer2091]

Thank you for sharing you videos Jocko.

[@mattmorrison9379]

Great conversation once again guys. Thank you.

[@Gfors85]

Wow, this must be the best podcast Ive ever heard. I mean. I agree on everything and Im very happy that you guys are so aware and from the most powerful country in the world, if someone can make a greater change, its you guys. Also , where can I find Unraveling chapter 8 and above?

[@ericgoldacker5581]

I am grateful that someone is talking the most important issues in our culture honestly. This is where a solution begins.

[@andrabook8758]

no dude, this is where creeps commercialize tragedy. excuse me while I go throw up in my mouth.

[@ericgoldacker5581]

@@andrabook8758 do you have an answer to the problem, I’d love to hear yours.

[@andrabook8758]

@@ericgoldacker5581 the school shooting thing? or the creeps? bc the answer to the creep is to fire the creep, usually. I am not dignifying the podcast with the creepo-co-star with anything of value, topic-wise. I definitely have ideas about how to deal with the school shooting thing but I shared those on podcasts/threads which are not clearly gross. More can be done to harden schools and eliminate the threat of bullets/guns being brought in, for sure.

[@andrabook8758]

@@ericgoldacker5581 this creep should have been gone after his first shitty appearance. All he does is spread sh*t everywhere and to everyone. Never listen to anything Pooper says. In my honest opinion. Something is definitely not right with the guy. Jocko is extremely foolish and wrong for indulging his sh*t. At best he's talking to a pathological liar. At best. But it's beyond that. He's a terrorist groupie, who used to work for the army believe it or not. Until they spit him out. And now he's here for some God forsaken reason.... Unfortunately people like this exist, though why we had to bring them on the jocko podcast is absolutely beyond me to understand. It is trully such a repulsive thing to do. So disrespectful to everyone and so absolutely gross. I hate it. I stopped watching the podcast bc of this creep. Not just the creep but also the lack of willingness by Jocko podcast to address the situation appropriately. Unacceptable. They just want to pretend he's not a creep or get some use out of him, or whatever BS nonsense...but it never work out that way. All they've done is give him a much bigger platform for his sh*t-talking, and legitimacy he's never earned or could ever earn on his own. Can't stand it.

[@andrabook8758]

@@ericgoldacker5581 what annoys me the most is that Jocko totally knows he's not a good guy. He knew on appearance 1. Everyone knows this dude is not an ok guy. Even the military knows. He set a record for how many times he was under disciplinary measures....and yet, he's here. Like he knew from the start, yet, nothng happened...he's still here...even though all he does is BS over and over again. There are literally hours of this dude talking in circles. Except all the circles lead to sympathy for the worse people on the planet, basically, somehow. It's the biggest and most repulsive waste of time I've ever witnessed someone engage in. Ever. Hands down the worst speaker associated with any military podcast I've ever seen. A few come close, but he's definitely the worst bc of the terrorist-groupie thing.

[@tonyyoung4590]

That's pretty good analysis Jocko

[@dr.squidwardburr7661]

This is such an excellent conversation.

[@NickDiazofNauts]

Thank you for this episode

[@pipelinesalvatoregiordano4954]

And randomly enough this was in my youtube algorithm to 10/26/23 when there another mass shooting in Maine with 18 deceased

[@josephknutson6522]

this is a really good listen. Brain food!!

[@sinisterminister9920]

Jocko. I’m not a Military guy, I wish I had been. I’m just a humble Journeyman in the Electrical field. I love it and I’ve gotten (very) productive/knowledgeable over the last few years. Very hard work but I tend to be something of a masochist for hard work, and challenging tasks. Older guys have started to look up to me at work, a younger guy. Though it’s a blessing to have the respect I have at my age. They look to me as a leader. Yet, I’m not geared towards leadership in that I’m more of a loaner and do my best work alone. I’m always ready to jump in and give it a push as a team on larger tasks. And they always come ask me for help, and say they need some “horsepower” lol. I’ve come a long ways, but I wasn’t always this passionate, nor did I always have a work ethic as I do now. I squandered my late teens/early 20’s in and out of jail, in and out of rehab. Have had multiple felonies, that still haunt me to this day. But I’ve overcome it all and still pushing thru a lot. You and your podcast have helped me develop a great deal just over the last year. Spiritually that it is. I used to get SO discouraged, because of how hard I would work, relative to how I was treated at work (poorly) but you have helped me understand that by being more “selfless” at work and more “humble” while at the same time “willing” & “ready” at all times to jump in on a team effort. And just become a cog in that machine, everything else has eventually fallen into place. I need advice and I know (you) won’t get to read this novel I typed, I need to know HOW on earth do I become more confident in a leadership role before it’s given to me, instead of turning it down. I don’t like telling people what to do, but people always look to me for advice in the field. Yet, I look stupid every time I am offered a “helper” or “helpers” on whatever the current project is. I end up just telling on my self literally will say “no I’m not much of a leader” etc. Whatever that obstacle is that I can’t get over, I fear is and will continue to hinder me from becoming who I am supposed to be🤔

[@sinisterminister9920]

Also the Unraveling Series with Daryl… it’s by far my favorite of all your pods. You two together are brilliant.

[@W4114C3]

Jocko buddy... cut back on the jocko OG podcast and get some more of these unraveling!!! Love it keep on keepin on bub! 👍

[@thomaskober9242]

I think some of the problem is we, as a society, have strayed away from CORRECTING the problems we see. Some of it is the fault of our legal system, some is the fault of the direction of psychology today. 50 years ago, if you saw someone straying from societal norms, you put them back on the path (sometimes physically). Now, partly in the name of "inclusivity" and partly to avoid legal liability, we must accept them as they are. Almost every one of the major mass shooters was identified as a problem.......but nobody wanted to be responsible for correcting the problem. I read StarShip Troopers several years ago. Robert Heinlein predicted nearly everything that is happening today, and he tied it all to the rise of "soft" sciences and a lack of disciplining youth....with a SciFi book written in 1959. I would LOVE to hear you do a review of that book. I know it isn't the type you normally do, but I am curious what your perspective on it would be.

[@JsBuonadonna]

Another problem is that mental health as a whole has been stigmatized in this country. This is particularly the case with how mental health is viewed with men: There's a notion that to be a "man," you have to bottle up all of your feelings and never open up to anyone about them lest you seem "weak." But the sad truth is that most people can't go through life that way without eventually cracking.

[@jacklawson3769]

Thats a load of horseshit. Men talk about their feelings with each other all the time. We always have. We just don't do it the way women do, so women imagine we don't discuss them at all.

[@willsatterwhite4378]

Thank you gentlemen.

[@baddrandy]

Going postal is a suggestion! The power of suggestion is no joke!

[@sociallyhostileelement3425]

In that list of social contagions, they forgot to mention our current most popular one...

[@theundergroundlairofthesqu9261]

Herpes?

[@royeick2991]

I was bullied as a kid, caused me to not grow up as a pushover, now people look to me to protect the neighborhood morally and ethically if the police can't come. But I'm most curious about the Las Vegas shooting, we haven't heard anything back about that one day it just dropped off everyone's radar.

[@KumaBean]

Same 🤝

[@kingedwardtitus7624]

Agree

[@mikepict9011]

The music is a great comfort to me .... and you have American television. It's pretty obvious who's going to Valhalla. And who is fake

[@tomkavulic7178]

I wish Jocko's audio could be normalized to be in the same general range as Darryl, this would be really easy to do in the edit and make it a lot easier to listen to. Great content though, well spoken and interesting to follow.

[@LukaszJarochowski]

I've messaged Echo about it, and he didn't take any ownership over this. I 100 agree, and we're not the first to bring this up.

[@williammartinez3257]

I absolutely despise the fact the algorithm has shadow banned you because this is the good shit right here.

[@grizzlyadams4390]

you guys need to have this conversation nationwide, and before congress. Our politicians have no idea what they're doing and to turn this around will take a generation of change. Like Jocko, my sons didn't have a curfew, both turned out great, both prior military, are married, have kids and both cops. Nerve racking for mom and I but wouldn't have it any other way.

[@dangiles5670]

The statistic about the number of hospital beds is astounding. I’d be curious how psychiatric drugs may have affected that number. I think they are a net positive, but there are definitely some drawbacks to widespread use.

[@YELLTELL]

Net positive❓️❓️❓️❓️ U do know %95 of all mass shooters are on psychiatric drugs.

[@SDu-nm7bw]

By the 1970s, an increasing number of psychotropic drugs had been developed. This meant that people living with mental illnesses such as bi-polar, schizophrenia etc no longer needed to be confined to institutions. Today someone diagnosed with schizophrenia or bi-polar or ocd or depression etc would be prescribed medication and live their lives in the community. Their illness would not stop from living the life that they want to; jobs, marriage, children etc. The real question about psychiatric beds is this: are there enough for those who need to stay in hospital for a short time? People having trouble with their meds, or those who are suicidal, or need intensive therapy for ocd/anorexia? The answer is likely no. Most muddle through with the help of doctors and their families.

[@Torriotorres]

My bro has a mental disorder. He currently serving a 3 year bid in prison. He was a good kid, was a great athlete and graduated top of his class in high school. A person struggling with mental health can go through hell, and it is sad to see a loved one fall apart.

[@BetaBuxDelux]

May I ask what you think changed with him?

[@Ralph-sz5hr]

Great podcast- 20 some % young people consider suicide, when discussing mental health, think ownership.. Don't look down - look up..let me explain, when you lay upstairs listening to mom and dad bickering and argueing every night..you don't see the blue sky when you leave the house in the morning. Same goes for a society that listens to the chaos created by politician's and media.. Sadly enough, the mental health problem starts at the top of the social fabric and works it's way down not the other way around.. A kid going to a school and inflicting as much pain and suffering as he can is'nt much different than what the people in Washington d.c. do to us everyday - is it? Clearly, the people in very visual and influential positions - don't care about anyone but themselves..how can that not filter down in society

[@dutchhiphopfan050]

Dont forget the impending doom of climate change. Hope of a better tomorrow means everything to a human. This is dissappearing.

[@powerpigeon8103]

Great conversation

[@javierferrari135]

Darren’s voice is way lower than Jocko in the the recording. Echo if you’re reading this, please check that next time, thanks !

[@GI_Joe]

I was in grade school during Columbine. my own school had a anthrax scare

[@EastwoodFPS]

Darryl had a good point about the phrase "going postal" & I wonder if society is repeating this, or in danger of repeating this by creating the label "incel"

[@kekistanimememan170]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3nHcqZrarZ_bLs insales are smelly lol.

[@PrimordialEconomics]

Doubt it.

[@EastwoodFPS]

@@PrimordialEconomics Idk. When school shooters get labelled as incel, then shooting somewhere up becomes an action that's associated with the word, or an expected outcome for someone who receives the label. Someone may get teased for being an incel in school, & to the person being teased, shooting the place up is the next sequence because society has said, this is what's expected of you & people with that label.

[@andrabook8758]

lol....well he would know probably....

[@jimhartzell5092]

Tough topic, with no easy answer !! Start when there are young teaching respect for life and each other. Yes there're repercussions for one's action..

[@lafayettedawriter4529]

What happened to the Scott Horton episode? Why isn’t it on KZbin?

[@shizlittlebam]

Couldn't find it on KZbin either but Spotify does

[@joey8458]

I love this podcast!

[@mikec8395]

When my wife was pregnant with our son she asked me how I wanted to raise him. I said I don't want him to be an a-hole. I told her I want him to have religion so he understands he isn't the be all / end all, most important thing in the world. I said he would be home schooled because I saw the direction public schools were going and felt he should be raised with our values, not the states. So she quit her job and educated him until highschool. He joined the boy scouts where his mom and I also became involved, participated in youth groups, went to college and earned an engineering degree. At 22 he's a better man than I was at that age. Maybe we just got lucky but I believe actually raising your kids instead of shuffling them off to day care makes a difference. When I hear about these shootings I wonder how involved the parents were

[@morgan3688]

You dont need to wonder, uvalde was quite typical. The shooter in that case has no known father. The mother is a drug addict, in and out of his life and not in a positive way when doing either. She reportedly had gotten him a stuffed snoopy doll for his 18th birthday. He was raised by his grandparents, who were responsible for raising his drug addicted mother, so they seem like stellar parents. His grandfather is a convicted felon, who gave the shooter at least part of the money with which the firearms were purchased. It appears the handgun and one rifle may have been aquired by the grandfather. Sounds like a very stable, all american, leave it to beaver, kind of family. Right?

[@bodidley5015]

You got the free-est country on earth. That’s a great thing. Unfortunately it can breed some who can’t handle that responsibility. I’ll take the casualties. You ask how many have to die before we repeal the 2nd amendment. All of them I say. That’s not the problem.

[@CliftonHicksbanjo]

Somebody fix old boy's microphone. Every time he's on his mic is _quiet_ while Jocko's is LOUD.

[@offcenterconcepthaus]

Good one, guys.

[@rubycalabrese6548]

The area where the Biggest Cultural Adjustment can be made is addressing the epidemic of Fatherlessness, Fathers who do not take a genuine interest in their own children, and the Breakdown of the Family. Two sets of eyes(mother & father) are better than one (primarily mom) when it comes to a household, three (older children assisting in looking after younger siblings) is even better. This holds true in any organization. Team members who have a genuine investment reap a harvest because they see potential threats ahead of time.

[@mattwhite399]

I had a lot of questions while listening to this podcast. I’ll list them below for anyone who cares. However, I felt like Jocko is coming at this from reasonable point of view where the guest was, I think, looking to the past through rose colored nostalgia glasses. 1.) What are the reported rates of unhappiness and suicidal thoughts among teens of peer nations? Same questions for divorce rates, etc. and all the other stuff the guest was taking about. 2.) How do these statistics, both USA and other peer nations, break down along all demographic lines, but specifically socioeconomic lines. 3.) In the light of this data, what is an honest assessment of access to guns? I listened to this podcast hoping to hear some reasonable thoughts on the subject. I only heard them while Jocko was talking.

[@dougm5341]

Social media and the disintegration of the family are the two factors most prevalent….

[@laprepper]

Mass media has been destroying minds since its inception, social media is just a new iteration

[@rickieowens4243]

Its the only doorway we have, going down the the rabbit hole, to find our family.

[@ChapterMasterADO]

Jocko for President!!!!!!!

[@brasspill8439]

What I saw is even if the schools see it, they don't say anything because they would have to foot the bill.

[@petera.9362]

Outstanding conversation - thank you!

[@slimpickens9103]

This is a conversation that needs to keep being discussed. Glad yall are talking about this from 30,000 feet.

[@brandonparrett2436]

Great podcast. I remember Luke was the first school shtr I remember in 97 during the ban 1 hr from my home in pearl MS. They blamed Marilyn Manson and I had a poster on my wall

[@devinandjim]

Failure on the audio on this one I normally don t have to have my headphones all the way up to listen to these podcasts while I’m at work but a lot of the time I have to stop what I’m doing to hear what Darryl is saying.

[@devilsadvocate1685]

Its pretty weird that after 2 weeks with 1.46 million subs only 42K have seen this video. Its either people dont want to hear these things (although there would be plenty of comments voicing that opinion) or the algorithm is not pushing this out as it should be.

[@LMason-qd7sq]

I have a hypothesis: I wonder if (edit: at least some) mass shooters are the evolved version of serial killers due to advances in forensics, technology (security), psychology (understanding of these people), and increase of social media/internet fueling them (so the tragedies are not as spaced out in time; there's an increase in frequency similar to how everything else in our lives has sped up). So while there weren't many incidents going on in previous generations, there was a similar version of this going on. To me, a lot of this morphed into what it is today in the 1950s. The rise of juvenile delinquency wasn't the sugar coated version we saw in "Grease", it was a lot of the same things we are seeing now: violence including shootings and stabbings, gang culture. Still, this doesn't answer how to resolve this, but I wonder if it's worth looking into.

[@morgan3688]

Many people are interested in blaming the internet for different aspects of these incidents. No one has considered the possibility it seems, that the internet has spared us from a far higher incedence. What if the reality is, anoymity is the problem, but not on the internet, in the community. What if the problem is that they have recognized that they do not matter, they will not matter. They dont matter to themselves, to a girl, to their family, to the police, to their boss, to the guy who cut them off in traffic, to the shitty teacher who gave them a bad grade a decade ago or failed to intervene to stop a bully. They matter to no one, except sometimes they find people online they can matter to. People they can form a community with, to care about and be cared for. How often are we spared from these acts of violence, that we will never hear about?

[@LMason-qd7sq]

@@morgan3688 That's a great point I hadn't considered. I think both are true (internet fueling but also providing community). My questions after would be, "Are they finding healthy communities? Are they finding tools that would help translate their acknowledgement, acceptance, allowance, appreciation, and affection they get online, offline?"

[@morgan3688]

@@LMason-qd7sq I think the more interesting conundrum is the "1 is too many" mentality. Despite what we are told, what we are expected to beleive, these events are not common. They are not regular. The only time they seem that way, is when the corporate press gets a hard on for one (buffalo) gives it nostop coverage for 2 weeks, then *suprise* another shooting happens in a similar fashion. But if the second shooting doesnt happen, and coverage peters off, then *strangely* there is a lul of months or years before another comperable incident. The question is then, why do we continue to tolerate the corporate press knowingly and actively instigating these incidents, while doing everything possible to blame something, anything, else.

[@lemondude9868]

Man you guys went deep. My opinion, it all has to do with God and how we have fallen away from faith as a nation and as individuals.

[@silverblueshadow]

im a liberal and i really appreciate jocko's position towards all this. he recognizes all the societal factors, how the society is indifferent to the suffering, but also that responsibility of both the individual and those around him/her are just as important. and how the remind everyone to look after each other is so important

[@bc6483]

Where is the unraveling series located? I thought it was separate from Jocko podcast? Some are located in the Playlist most are not

[@USMCAllTheWay]

Liberal civil rights attorneys (especially in California) will never allow an increase in institutionalization. That's why Regan had to get rid of it. Too much litigation...

[@jaymay7957]

“Jessica broke up with me” “Work harder scrub”

[@Jer-Michael]

Back to the basics and fundamentals

[@barrettremodels]

How does this video only have 815 likes?!?!

[@tremendousmoss]

"His wife was a hat," sounds like she was sitting on his head a lot! I could get with it!

[@Sellers729]

I think the social contagion aspect is a HUGE part of this. Just look at the last few weeks. After the Buffalo and Uvalde shooting were heavily spotlighted, we saw what felt like an abnormal number of shootings within the next week or two. Some of that could be just incidents getting National attention when they wouldn’t have any other time, but it sure seemed to me like social contagion played into it. For news organizations, it must be a hard line to walk between giving the victims the attention they deserve and not inspiring the next shooter by making the current one famous. But we as a society lean FAR too much in the direction of over-publicizing, in my view. I respect those organizations that refuse to name mass killers in an effort to deny them the attention they desire. Great podcast, we need to discuss this problem for sure. Good to get a big picture view of the problem instead of being driven by current news/political cycle.

[@888DMAC]

Unraveling is constantly my favourite podcast.

[@marcoacosta5981]

Where are the episodes between this and 6?? I'm so confused lol

[@Jgvhdx]

Respect

[@Acoto]

"You look up and you're 20 years old and you're in a bad situation". The media: "40 is the new 20" (Real media title) 😆

[@BetaBuxDelux]

I’m 45 and ready to party. And by party, I mean use this heating pad on my back. 😃

[@elijahcook7170]

It’s the way we’re raising our kids and kicking God out of school

[@sportinganossafe]

Jocko didn't detach on this one!

[@mikepict9011]

Government union has time for endless tshirt / watch / shoe combinations. No time to follow orders

[@Jer-Michael]

They did a very interesting video of kids in school at events and stuff followed by a shooting. When they replay it back you see the individual in the background doing things and acts of suspicion. Check it out

[@kenlenoir3714]

Hatred breeds hate. I can somewhat understand where the shooters are coming from, being bullied, hated, treated with contempt, and to want to retaliate and take revenge, but it's a complete lack of ownership and responsibility. How is complete helplessness taught or learned? That there is nothing to do but to take revenge because people didn't give you what you want? That's the complete opposite of the golden rule, instead of giving others what you want from them in advance, punish them for not giving you what you want, a complete disregard for the other people, what *they're* going through. Do the shooters not realize that other people are going through problems as well? Obviously not, a complex problem for sure. I think compassion and empathy are a part of the solution. Probably if the shooters felt like they had someone, *really* to rely on, they might not have done it, at least some of them that didn't have a physical cause of the problem. Not just a surface level support, but really taking the time to understand that person, to *really* care about that, not just if they get good grades, not just if they're successful, not just if they're popular, not just if they can do something for you, but to really care and have a real friend. That'd help.

[@patient_6925]

Have my concerns that the fbi had a hand in all of this

[@privatecitizen4001]

Yup

[@EastwoodFPS]

People describe these shootings as people who are rebelling against the world but if your life is fucked up then doing something awful or lashing out is almost expected of you, that's the trajectory you are on. The ultimate act of rebellion would be to change your trajectory, or to carry the cross regardless of how tough it is, to go on despite the world.. Shooting somewhere up isn't rebelling against the world, its surrendering to it.

[@tonyyoung4590]

When they took prayer out of schools, allowed millions and millions of abortions; legalized same sex marriages opened up portals to hell!The hedge has been lifted brother!

[@petrairene]

Germany here. Suicide rates are not rising here. And mass shootings are still very uncommon.

[@quinnotaur]

During covid social contact was cut off.

[@dutchhiphopfan050]

Fix the living standards and watch mental health rise. Too much unsupported single mothers away from kids working, too much poverty, bullying being regular. Fix the cause of the issues instead of just dealing with symptoms.

[@Quit1011]

06/14/2022 0542 AM Thank you

[@tamcaplan3552]

Love that Man he's got big shoes

[@PrimordialEconomics]

oh come on Darryl what's wrong with a wee bit of the old ULTRA violence?

[@revu34]

Neglect really is the most chronically destructive and insidious abuse.

[@lawyeroutlaw]

I think it's an interesting, if tragic, flaw of (many? most?) human beings, who've failed to socialize normally, to prefer notorioty over obscurity and being forgotten... why is that?

[@mikehrenak1390]

Did a demonstration speech 1979 with my shot gun about pheasant hunting

[@danielowen5889]

Yep....