Unraveling the Tragic History Of Ooo's Humans - Adventure Time

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Today we'll be Unraveling the Tragic History Of Ooo's Humans - An Adventure Time lore discussion.
Join me as we go over the Humans and how the land of Ooo had a personal grudge against their existence. How they are connected to the mushroom bomb, the lich, the mutants, the oozers, and their importance to the story. We'll also briefly go over specific humans such as Dr. Gross and Minerva and how their choices affected the story as a whole. With all this there's A LOT to go over so I hope you enjoy learning about all of these in this adventure time video!
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Horrifying Truth Of The Oozers - an Adventure Time lore deep dive!
Join me as we unwrap the the secrets of these mutated, zombie-like creatures who are from a long forgotten past. How it connects to the Lich, the mushroom bomb, the elementals, it's importance in the Adventure time universe. With all this info we'll have plenty to cover so I hope you enjoy learning about these monsters in this adventure time video.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Sorry for being late on this one. Was busy baby sitting my lil bro. BUT I'M BACK! Let's get to 50k we got 6 days left! All the music, creators, and links are in the description so I hope you enjoy and As ALWAYS I will see you in the next video Bye 👋

[@orraklbenedict1832]

There's a scene in one of the Island Episodes where you can see (briefly) a statue of one of the people Marcy saved so it's not "stated" in the show but it IS confirmed that yes they are descended from the tribe that Marceline saved in the Stakes Miniseries.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

​​@@orraklbenedict1832 I'm gonna eat you... Bfr, yeah I know. I missed this whole watching and recording this and forgot to update before uploading

[@joshchen8679]

Check out the theory on Jake the dog from Head Casey

[@snoops876]

7:12 bruh

[@sebsabsolutelystupidchanne4168]

The comics are canon except for season 11, but some events do not happen in the show or contradict it, fortunately via a Ryan North statement it was because Abracadaniel spilled some magic something? I forgot but it implies that Abracadaniel has some transcendence

[@lordmaztema]

I love how all its related, because Simon saved marceline, marceline saved the humans, and finn was a direct decendant of those saved humans, who also did help marceline to save simon.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

I gotta admit I love it too 😅

[@Cangeltibon]

Don’t forget the Mother Gum coming in clutch helping out Simon and Marcy several times.

[@zoed9155]

That’s Beautiful

[@WhereisYunoGasai]

dope

[@cybercomets7260]

fire 🔥

[@wildspirewarrior211]

Its crazy to think that most of the things Finn has casually beat up in Ooo would be a death sentence for a normal person

[@TheBronf]

@MirroredVoid na finn isn't stupid. hes rather smart and quite a good tactician. he just lacks education in the knowledge department. but on what things he has learned such as fighting, survival ect he is really good at it.

[@flare3944]

He got raised by demon and monster fighting people so I think he had the strength to survive

[@Bms010]

Well Finn is a reincarnating immortal technically a cosmic being sorts with great power, so kinda makes sense he's able to take down such threats.

[@divel5738]

Finn grew up with Jake and his demon slaying parents. they nurtured him to have those survival skills. that and Finn simply grew up in that kind of harsh environment which was normalized for him to live in. heck he's known for being adventurous. whereas other humans didn't have that privilege and experiences that Finn had.

[@lost_flower4412]

@@Bms010 his whole body is still just the one of a normal human, what probably helped the most is that his adoptive parents were also used to fighting demons and monsters

[@AdventureTime4MVS]

When the Lich says in the episode Wake Up "there's only darkness for you and only death for your people" I basically took that as him saying that the humans destiny were to go extinct which if true that's very dark

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

It is and in a way it's true...

[@daraghokane4236]

No lich meant oow citizens will all die there his people candy people and vampires will die

[@Mrwarfull]

The way I thought about that was the lich was right and wrong. Right that one day the universe will grow cold and empty, and one day all life will expire. But as proven by Finn and Jake kicking his arse every time life and humanity no matter how many times knocked down, forced to the brink, and hated by the universe for the mere act of existence gets backs up brushes it self off and ask for another round. I think mankind in adventure time never goes extinct to reflect that idea of hope, that no matter what you can always bounce back from any loss. And if mankind has a power in that show or a strength when compared to all other species is that it has been defeated by war, plague, famine, and the end of days over and over again but still came back from it.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

@@Mrwarfull humans be like: I didn't hear no bell

[@insertname9736]

​@@Mrwarfullthey might still be extinct in the future. So what the Lich said is probably true.

[@MarxistMomentum]

The Humans story in Adventure Time is one of the only ones where every 25 seconds you have to say "but wait, it gets worse!"

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Seriously they did not deserve that 😂

[@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777]

I keep seeing you everywhere

[@bloodred255]

I mean some stories you just gotta go wait, does the author have depression?

[@MarxistMomentum]

@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 I am everywhere!

[@Fungo4]

I was about to bring up Ice King but he was originally a human too sooo yeah

[@Remijoh]

When you think about it Marceline literally has thousands possibly millions of human souls absorbed within her. No wonder she wanted that stuff out

[@platinumchromee3191]

Probs because she offed otber vampires who absorbed those souls

[@austinmattis1217]

@@platinumchromee3191 vampires don’t absorb souls; marceline is half demon half human Her demon side is able to absorb “suck out” souls

[@jasdanvm3845]

No, Vampires don't absorbe souls, she just has Vampire souls inside her.

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

It's worth to be noted that alot of humanoid species seen in the show are pretty much human sub-species that emerged from the radiation. So humanity hasnt totally gone extinct, it just became more diverse. I mean in the end of the which character would you say is more human? Someone like Phill or Dr. Gross?

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Would've gone in further detail on this one but I got 3 videos on this subject 😅

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

Those who adapted to the change survives, those who aren't are on the brink of extinction.

[@tunguska2370]

Racist time

[@Tirocoa]

Considering how different they are from humans, they are already a whole different species or genus or family or even more distant in the taxonomy tree that humans might as well be extinct. So, saying that humans haven't gone extinct because of them is like saying the ancestor of horses that died out millions of years ago didn't go extinct just because horses exist.

[@mystrenula3911]

​@@Tirocoathe real question is does the human extinction really matter in the end, because the species is gone, but even so close as their direct descendants are still around and still capable of complex thought

[@andrewmanchiraju8005]

I will say that the founders being the tribe of humans Marceline saved is actually alluded to in the islands miniseries as there is a statue of Two-Bread Tom with an inscription saying “Thanks Two-Bread Tom for being everyone’s cool Dad”. This seems to strongly imply that the humans Marceline saved are the founders. Also I would love to hear you talk about some adventure time comics as your videos are great and informative.

[@GeneralTaco155555a]

Minerva also uses the same ship Two-Bread Tom's tribe used to leave Ooo, when she brings humans back. I don't know why this is being treated as "just a theory," it's been confirmed multiple times.

[@Ekube]

The story of Simon's transformation also serves as a reminder of the importance of compassion and empathy towards those who may be struggling with mental health issues. Despite his erratic behaviour and tendency to lash out at those around him, Simon is ultimately revealed to be a deeply sympathetic character who is tormented by his memories and haunted by the loss of his loved ones.

[@walter2201]

I mean he kidnaps women to be his wife no amount of mental health problems makes that ok mental health isn't a excuse for bad behavior but it's definitely a reason for it

[@justanothermortal1373]

​@@walter2201 Have you even watched the show? He doesn't have control over it. He's been obsessing over kidnapping princesses since he's worn the crown and we can see him trying desperately to find against his thoughts. Ice King isn't Simon. He is a shell of him. The only thing that's remaining of Simon in Ice King is his voice.

[@lost_flower4412]

@@walter2201 it doesnt make it okay, but having compassion and seeing him as a person helped him stopped being like that, and at the end he doesnt even kidnap anyone except finn that one time

[@R.O.T.C._SEEM]

Why is Simone/ice king not considered human. I mean just because the crown's magic gives him immortality and powers don't make him not a human anymore. If magic alterations to the body disqualifies you from being human then what about the flower they grew out of his stub

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Well the crown specifically turns you into evergreen. By all intensive purposes he should be labeled an elemental but even then some still consider him human

[@ridgetmacaroni7015]

​@@TrueLocalEnthusiast in a way he's as human as Marceline, which is to say 'Yeah kind of ig?'

[@Mgalllll]

​@@TrueLocalEnthusiastmay I also ask why does the crown make him immortal? Was it one of evergreens caracteristiques or something else?

[@megaraptora]

@@Mgalllll if i were to guess, its because the crown is tied to the OG gunther's wish and he cared a lot abt evergreen or wtv, so the crown acts the same and refuses to let its wearer pass away

[@nyblller9785]

​@@Mgalllll Well, I guess you could interpret that as the crown making you "be" Evergreen. If you're dead, you wouldn't "be" Evergreen anymore. So the crown basically keeps you Evergreen forever.

[@torra8193]

Personally I'd argue they either A: Got "assimilated" into the people of Ooo (remember all of the main continent people are basically the heavily mutated descendants of any humans that stood on Ooo), so "humans" don't exist, but humanity lives on (if that makes sense), or B: Went to the stars for some unknown reason. That doesnt really explain the desolate state Ooo is in, but regardless I really don't think they could've just... Died off lol. Their tech is far too advanced for Ooo to be that serious of a threat (Susan dealt with the Gumball Guardians very easily, even if she was hulking out then), and if there were any viruses on Ooo that were completely foreign to the humans then... Finn alone should've basically wiped them out by complete accident just by visiting the Islands lol anyway yeh there's my crackpot theory :3

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Fair points think 🤔

[@Bag-man1870]

Somehow humans always survive even if you put them in such a different climate

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

They're hard to kill to be sure 😅

[@Bag-man1870]

​@@TrueLocalEnthusiast I know right

[@HawaiianDragonX]

Just like Lil roaches

[@owenparris7490]

That's the indomitable human spirit for ya.

[@reymorr9429]

​@@TrueLocalEnthusiastnot really

[@hattoripool1533]

I always wondered why Minerva didn’t just make a robotic body that contained her brain I mean she would still be like her original self instead of just a digital copy. It really makes you wonder what type of affect the plague had on the human body

[@justarandomcommenter570]

Well judging by the VR-island plus Minervas supercomputer setup on the main island, its possible to assume that they dont really have the ability to downscale the tech to being contained in a single body. And even if they did, I doubt a single Minerva could do much to combat the effect of the virus on the whole human population compared to her consciousness controlling hundreds of helpers.

[@Vinig03]

Maybe her brain was contaminated too so it would die aswell

[@Fogblitz]

It is very likely that she was deteriorating from both inside and outside. If you remember Minerva’s explanation of the disease, it was accompanied by striking visuals (8:14 in the video), one of which depicting a virus cell contaminating (presumably) skin cells and the organ withered away. She was doomed either way, and I seriously doubt that she is “alive” because the computer copies her neural pathways, not her soul. Minerva as we know her exists as a digital clone, acting as though her original self WOULD, but is not. That makes it sadder when you think about it…

[@Huh9631]

@@Fogblitz so Finn only technically talked to a digital memory of his mother? That’s so sad 😞 I always had a feeling she was actually dead but her memories were kept to help others

[@drakkiusgaming]

​@@FogblitzI don't entirely like that dismissal of her new nature tbh, because it implies BMO doesn't have a soul. Who says her machine form didn't keep it?

[@ultrainstinctvegito4063]

I like to believe that the human in the future successfully explore space and thrive. It’s better to think that way than to think all of humanity are now extinct in the future. It’s just far less depressing for me anyway. Also I’d love to see you cover more comic material.

[@StanleyNumber427]

There are actually humans who managed to flee to space and who biologically molded themselves with Grey alien DNA-- shown in Adventure Time - Distant Lands: BMO.

[@ultrainstinctvegito4063]

@@StanleyNumber427 That's good to hear

[@sthwrth3250]

​@@StanleyNumber427 They weren't the island humans but yeah they did get to space although mutated like everyone else

[@clarisacalderon9555]

I mean...i think there is a implied option that the fin in the sword could always come back eventually

[@cherilynsarts8845]

What's so depressing about being extinct? At least no one is going ruin the earth anymore.

[@AMVRadio]

The mushroom bomb dropped 8/13/21. This date is on the back of the enchiridion and Simon etched it there so he we never forget the day the world ended

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Huh, that's a cool detail

[@felinoidrose]

damn i guess 2021 couldve been worse then 💀

[@megaraptora]

@@felinoidrose p sure its 1921 not 2021 lmao

[@AMVRadio]

@@megaraptora considering we see various vhs tapes and modern planes and cars in the flashback it’s actually more likely the bomb dropped in 2021

[@jasdanvm3845]

@@megaraptora That can't be right, Mobile Phones existed.

[@maacksvaca5391]

Worth noting that there's a statue of Two-Bread Tom on the island in the episode "Min and Marty". Confirming that its canon he was a founder.

[@itemboy6814]

I thought it was basically common knowledge that they were the founders

[@dwerical]

At this point it's mind blowing how the humans in Adventure Time even managed to continuously advance technologically after all the crazy blows that they've received.

[@animationcity8611]

I think the humans would be far more advanced if MO had gone to the island with them. Especially with robots, he created the fire giants combine those with the island's guardian and you get one powerful robot.

[@sthwrth3250]

One of the blimps going to Founder's Island is labeled MoCo so the madman actually got in contact with the island humans and helped them out. I think his plan was to stay behind and terraform Ooo because he even did business with Tree Trunks. If i'm not mistaken, there's evidence that the candy kingdom could've even competed with Mo in conquering Ooo (I think there's some flashback where she's standing over piles of her defeated enemies and there's a Mobot there)

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

I just realized something, Adventure Time is basically kid-friendly Fallout, and the Island Humans are basically the Institute.

[@grandinquisitor8335]

Yeah Humans have it really tough but they always survive almost every mutant has tried to kill them at one point or another lmao. Honestly I wish that Dr. Gross played a more active role in the story, I understand she is supposed to start up the arc but I think her "save mankind through cybernetics" is kinda true. Ooo is dangerous and unforgiving and any upper hand can help humanity in a positive way.

[@Grab_001]

How do we know theyre extinct? They could have succeeded in leaving Ooo. Its not like Ooo looks like a decent place to stick around in after the 1000 years. Sure the Pups have their own city and apparently their own space society, but their city seems more lime just a ground base for them. Ooo just looks more...desolate and not good after 1000 years. Its kind of sad really. Kind of a bummer ending really. Sure it has its dark undertones, but to see this magical world left to ruin and dust is just extra sad.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Yeah it's a bit depressing tbs

[@alexkimball4910]

Honestly, it's kind of refreshing for humans to nor be the apex civilization, or even main focused civilization in a story, while still remaining relevant Can't think of many other stories that do that

[@grandinquisitor8335]

Humanity isn't the Apex but it is by far the most technologically advanced society out of all the kingdoms. Outside of Princess Bubblegum the smartest and most knowledgeable are all humans. Simon , Betty, Dr. Gross, Minerva, Moe.

[@invisiman1250]

owl house, amphibia, spongebob, rick and morty, legit every isekai

[@JcoleMc]

​@@grandinquisitor8335 I like how , the different kingdoms of Ooo basically look at human civilization like how Europe looked at Rome have you ever notice when they dress classy they tend to mimic modern human outfits even when LSP wanted to do a classical play she basically just replicated a Human soap opera drama , its also to note that many of the kingdoms don't know hot to utilize metals like Humans princess bubble gum uses mostly candy operated machines and metallic ones are quite rare .

[@tiberiusdawn2042]

Warhammer 40k Human are not even powerfull since necrons exist

[@linkholder]

​@@tiberiusdawn2042 Guillimen, The Lion, THE LITERAL GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND, Custodes all clap necron ass. But uz Ork Boiz R da best facshun!

[@rileyanthony]

The story of humans is really tragic also I think ooo is Germany because in the the episode Bonabeld Gum you can see that the signs around what soon be the candy kingdom as the signs in the episode were all in the German language.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Huh, that's cool. Maybe I should look into that one 🤔

[@lordmaztema]

its a amalgamation of diferents lands, its likely a new continent formed by the rest of all the remaining lands that was not wiped out by whatever created the crater, i think that because Simon was in a escandinavian country when the war begun.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Princess Bubblegum also sometimes speaks German.

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

@@TrueLocalEnthusiast will there ever be a theory where princess bubblegum is the reincarnation of Hitler?

[@rileyanthony]

@@TrueLocalEnthusiast as there’s a lots of evidence supporting this as you can see all of it for yourself in the episode title Bonabeld gum as there’s a whole another story that’s also going on in the background of that episode.

[@archmagemc3561]

Have you thought about why there are so many 'princesses' in ooo and why they are so different? Could they be the mutated humans from the other vaults, with their kingdoms made on top of those vaults to explain how they have so much infrastructure? A lot of them are in the badlands, and are often oasis like things in such a baren, baren land with some weird stuff they rule over, so how could that be?

[@PichuElric]

I was always curious about the Princess rulling system too, I mean doesn't it just make sense the world would move back into imperialism if it had to start from scratch again?

[@johnathanjoestar6709]

I already knew it was gonna be about human's because I saw Finn's mom

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

She still needs her own video though 😅

[@Mybabyislostinamall]

personally I don’t think they went extinct 1000 years later, it seems likely they migrated to Mars and other parts of the universe. An interesting possible support for this idea is Pendleton Ward’s other lesser known show “Bravest Warriors”. Though not confirmed it seems to likely be in the same universe as Adventure Time a little bit after AT’s end, and features humans living on an overpopulated Mars.

[@whispertheviewer]

One thing I like is that when Finn is talking to the Catalyst Comit, he calls Ooo, "Earth"

[@joeygrant3983]

I think the mushroom war is more likely to be the Cold War, since technology seems to have advanced to the late 80s or early 90s as seen with that one computer and ice king singing the cheers theme (when he was Simon)

[@ahdog8]

I like this theory, it would be pretty fitting too since constant fear of nuclear Armageddon was a big fear during the real life Cold War

[@Gyubey001]

3:05 i was distracted with another thing and when i looked at the screen i thought it was the dub, your voice matched perfectly XD

[@sarahgreen238]

I think there's really strong evidence for Mo actually being the one who built the golem. First off, he's hecka old and had an unnaturally long lifespan because of his ability to replace his failing body parts. The humans and Dr. Gross's entire culture revolves around never leaving the island and it's been this way for generations. Dr. Gross even says in the founders song that the golem has been there to protect them, and in the founders song, a blimp floats by with "Mo Co" on it. She wasn't alive when it was built. Another reason is that BMO is compatible with the humans electronics, which to me would indicate that Mo might've helped establish the islands and then left, leaving the humans with a basis for technology that, even though they advanced separately throughout the hundreds of years, still would've had enough roots to be compatible together. I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but if you still disagree, I'd like to hear why you think Dr Gross was the one who built it. I know she's an inventor, but that's about the only reason I can see. Her dedication to making sure people stay on the island could easily be explained by her (as you stated) almost religious belief in the dangers of the outside world; it would give her a "righteous" complex that the ends justify the means. I think her motivations and passions focuses pretty strongly on evolutionary growth, so I can't see her finding a solution to the dangers by creating a defensive creature: I could more see her wanting to mutate actual humans so they could fight back.

[@MythX_StoryTeller]

I would like to support this w a theory of my own. We just kinda accept Mos presence at the Mo factory but theres something about it that sticks out to me. Doesnt Mo look exactly like one of those "Better Reality" humans? I think Mo went to the islands to help the humans and have a place to live outside of Ooo. He helped them w their tech, but as we know, things happened thanks to Dr. Gross. I think he was one of those that contracted the disease. Before he left, I speculate that he helped create the "Better Reality" network, to help those suffering and dying from the disease. But, due to how that affected ppl (ppl choosing altered reality over performing their societal roles), Mo was likely forced from the Island, along w others like Dr Gross. I'm sure there's other things Mo mayve done to get banished but it seems to me he went into hiding. The TraMO said that he wasnt loved by anyone- could this have been an allusion to the attitudes the Islanders had of him? How could someone who created robots for joy considered to be such an unloved person? Theres more to Mo than just being BMOs grand-poop or w/e lol I personally believe he had a lot to do w the main events of Ooo. As a side note, apparently he simped Treetrunks, which I find that scene hilarious for so many reasons x D

[@sarahgreen238]

@@MythX_StoryTeller huh, true, I hadn't thought of that. I always thought he looked like that bc he was just old, and they look old bc they don't take care of their bodies. He could've contracted it for sure! Everything you said is a really interesting take and quite possible Lol where'd you see that? I wanna check it out!

[@MythX_StoryTeller]

@@sarahgreen238 Its something I've extrapolated as a personal theory ^^ ty so much for your response! I'd be happy to talk about it! Let's start w BMO and Vinny, cause this is an interesting parallel. It starts here bc of the way that BMO reacts to seeing Vinny outside the AI realm. Hes sick, decrepit, and crawling on his belly- just like Mo. BMO is distressed when first meeting Vinny, I think, bc he superficially acts and resembles Mo. But, this is where the idea first occurred to me. As you mentioned, the MoCo blimp can be seen traveling to the Island. Mo's presence was most certainly on the Island. Theres a flashback scene (I think it was the Mo introductory ep) where we see a young Mo building BMO and theres a blue print of a fire giant on his wall. Conceptually, the Guardian looks a lot like the Fire Giants, in design and function. There was a perceived need for this kind of protection, given the events of the time. Guardian was most certainly man made- I agree w you regarding Dr Gross. While it's possible she mayve helped in building the giants or tech, her expertise seemed to be more towards bio-mechanics and evolution sciences. I agree that she probably had nothing to do w it- particularly given her reverence for it. So, that puts us on the Island w Mo as he's helping to build systems and tech for the inhabitants. As we know, he built BMO to give love. And, BMO is fully integrated into the "Better Reality" system, meaning theres some compatibility w MoTech. This also happened when the Seeker-Bot hacked BMO, suggesting to me theres some compatibility w MoTech. Mo wanted to give something to humanity- that's apparent w BMO and for that, he thought he had a lot to give. But let's continue, I'm digressing. So, as we know Dr. Gross is the reason for the plague that decimated the helpers. We can take for granted that Mo is old bc he has been mechanically extending his life. But could an extended life just be a side effect of the procedures he had to take to save his own life from the disease? He could've downloaded his brain like Minerva but didnt- perhaps he never got the chance and for this next reason. People are dying- they're on their death beds. Their society is in chaos. Now, let's look at Reality Island. Its barren and seemingly, abandoned, except for the Better Reality inhabitants. They're dying and going crazy, so what's the solution? I think Jake accurately called it, as he often subtly does, when he called them "graves of the future". Instead of facing death through their ailing bodies, they were given another option- augmented reality. I tie Mo to this bc of the way hes dressed, the sequence of events (Mo first, Islands later), his obsession w giving and receiving, and his desire to create robots and systems. Who knows if the MoBots came before or after these events but I'm led to believe that he built the Mos after the Island. Now, as I mentioned, society is in collapse- helpers are dying and more ppl are escaping reality. I think it ultimately got to a point that ppl and families were choosing that over practical solutions. So, they blamed the creator of Better Reality, Mo. It's the statement that the Tram Mo makes that always brings me back to this. "Mo was loved only by those he built to love him". First, that's sad af- second, that Tram Mo was programmed to understand that. Thats... the whole personality of the Tram Mo character, I'm programmed to be this way. Third, that sounds like the kind of comment that would come from a person disappointed in humanity. And as we see, Mo built robots for love and service- so how could he be so unloved? He had to have done something to hurt a lot of ppl and my Better Reality-Mo theory seems legit. After all he did for their society, they turned their back on him and he was banished. He was still suffering the disease. Lol ty for your response! I was so happy to share this w you, ty! : D lmk what you think! I feel like we have similar ideas about this ^^

[@sarahgreen238]

@@MythX_StoryTeller oh sorry hahah, I meant where'd you see that Mo simped Treetrunks??

[@MythX_StoryTeller]

@@sarahgreen238 aw I'm sry for the misunderstanding and the extra explanation, apologies Well lol it happens in one of the final eps. It's the ep where Treetrunks flash backs to her time as a... shipping mogul? Shes talking about all her ex husband's. Lol the scene is, shes in an office and I think the Wyatt the Walrus is her secretary at the time. He comes in w flowers and says something like "another bouquet from Robot-Body Mo" lmao! Treetrunks response was "put em in the trash" x D cold lol

[@lankthytheunforgiving4437]

The fact that you made your 15000, 20000, and 25000 subscriber videos all within a few days of each other is genuinely super impressive, and the fact that every video you make is so informative and quality is amazing, I hope that you keep growing becuase you've clearly found something good here

[@emilianocastillejos1330]

For whenever you inevitably run out theories and lore or get bored of Adventure Time you could do some videos on Gravity Falls, I think it could be pretty cool. As always tho good video 👍

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Actually we did a poll ad people agreed I should cover it 😅

[@ridgetmacaroni7015]

​@@TrueLocalEnthusiast YES

[@WhereisYunoGasai]

@@TrueLocalEnthusiastlovely

[@ARandomEliatrope]

The whole minerva thing kinda, feels like a misunderstanding, if her consciousness, which is YOU, your BEING was transferred into the island, then she isn't dead, she's digitalized, there is no "original minerva" because she is still the original, she's effectively just an immortal being.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

If I copy your brain. Make an AI that perfectly mimics you. Then shoot you in the head. Are you still alive?

[@zack3851]

@@TrueLocalEnthusiast If no one saw you shoot Senro Bot and you hid the evidence well. Then, sure, they're technically living on in the minds of everyone but themself.

[@invisiman1250]

@@TrueLocalEnthusiast Your thinking of memories not consciousness

[@ARandomEliatrope]

@@TrueLocalEnthusiast but its not a copy of her, it is her, we even see her physical body disappear because its her consciousness, its not some databank of just memories. it IS her. she is conscious and living, just in a different state of being (digitalized instead of being made of flesh and bone like the rest of us)

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

@@ARandomEliatrope Except she flat out said she's not sure if it's actually her. Her body was destroyed, scanned, and uploaded. By all means she's still technically dead.

[@ShizuruNakatsu]

The Mushroom War being the Cold War makes more sense to me. Except it went a lot further, obviously. We see Russian tanks in the background in some of the flashbacks, and some landmarks that would place this in the US. There was also clearly anti-Soviet sentiment in the newspaper about Simon Petrikov. Plus we see a lot of past technology in the world, and most of it seems like 80s technology, maybe 90s. Why would there be PCs and VHS tapes if human civilization fell during World War 2? There's also the fact that nuclear annihilation was a very real threat in the real world. And given the fact that there were Soviet tanks in America in this world, that would definitely explain why the Cold War went hot. I've never heard the WW2 theory, but it doesnt make much sense to me given the fact that society clearly went on and invented new technologies after that time. Given all that, and the Russian things I've mentioned and the connection to the real world, I think it's pretty much guaranteed it was an alternate Cold War with an alternate ending.

[@solarium7887]

Unfortunately the flashbacks before the war, showed smartphones and very 2020s outfits

[@ChronoCartographer]

@@solarium7887 maybe then it was a world where the cold war never ended and continued into the modern world, eventually turning hot?

[@solarium7887]

@@ChronoCartographer yeah that's sound like a plausible theory, and very realistic. Wait isn't we are in a new cold war period too?

[@ottokaare5925]

But the adventures time universe doesn't have to be exactly like ours

[@Gfish17]

Humans are going extinct meanwhile Jake is casually slaying dragons and Surviving like a Boss.

[@jasonutty52]

My crossover brain just thinks the Galactic Horde from She-Ra showed up and drained Ooo of most of its magic in the future. That's why it's so desolate and seemingly magic-starved in the distant future. My fanfiction brain has fun thinking of the crossover potential. (Plus the "elves" from the BMO episode look very similar to Horde Prime as well so maybe Ooo is the origin point for him? It's certainly a fun thought experiment.)

[@amycatass]

Just remember that in Islands miniseries we can see a monument to Two Bread Tom, so he is likely at least a significant figure in late human culture. Whether he is a founder is up to interpretation, but I think it’s pretty likely.

[@ajuvarghese176]

They survived

[@emo-monkey-mood617]

I love this watched all of adventure Time I was a teen when I was around or per teen and it what's my favorite show. I finally found someone who does recaps or they have their own theorys and does research about it you a new subscriber!

[@MouseTheGoblin]

The bio weapon reminds me of the virus PB made in the first episode, honestly strange how similar she ran the candy kingdom vs how the humans like Finns mom ran the islands. I feel like there are a lot of parallels

[@XSilver_WaterX]

I never seen the nuke videos yet but here's my theory; humans really didn't squash themselves willingly as they were already manipulated by a higher entity that wanted them out of the way. Lich could be a prime candidate but even he is forced to obey different laws of reality that pre-creation. AT has a lot of characters hiding many agendas and horrible arrogances, like PB on her theme of being a demi-god trying to destroy the concept of demi-gods, an obvious threat to her own reincarnation and her siblings.

[@geraldballinger6428]

Someone:how have you all not given up yet? Humans: *D E T E R M I N A T I O N* frisk:ah, i see we have something in common

[@manuelahe_]

It’s cannon, there’s even a founder statue in Martin’s flashback

[@jeremy1860]

CN made a lot of great shows, but Adventure Time definitely deserves to be in their top ten 😊

[@hattoripool1533]

Jeez this sounds like something out of of Warhammer 40k. In fact this makes me wonder how many versions of Ooo or the world are there in the Adventure Time multiverse that are even worst then the canon Ooo

[@rosecityandbeyond]

I mean humans still appear to exist in the Bravest Warriors era! I would suspect they abandoned the Earth and went to space sometime around when Gibbon took power.

[@vindurza]

I don't think the humans died out completely it's just the species by the time of Shermy has either found a way off the rock called Ooo or became new species by comingling with Ooos various mutants

[@MythX_StoryTeller]

Ik you referenced the comic strip to support the founding humans, but there is a statue of 2 Bread Tom on the Island in the series. I always took that as proof that the humans Marcie saved founded the islands. Also, Mo helped build the fire giants- I assumed, by design, he had something to do w the Colossus too. The blue prints can be seen during one of Mo's earliest flash backs, hanging on his wall. In some way, Mo was involved w the Island- you can see one of his ships heading there in Dr. Gross' flashback.

[@drago22x]

I think the crater on Ooo might've been created by whatever put the dreamer in the dimension he's in. Maybe when he started dreaming, Prizmo just vanished that chunk of Ooo, so that noone could trace his origins.

[@raeryuko]

Billy defeated the litch and sealed him in the tree right? That means that happens after the candy kingdom is built Do you think the litch was still roaming around ooo around marceline's vampire hunting days or did another hero sealed him away somehow? Or maybe The Litch was defeated soon after the bomb dropped, but the amber was later relocated to the candy kingdom If vampires existed before the bomb, I can't see why giants couldn't either

[@alxjw8958]

I think it is technically confirmed in the show that the humans Marceline saved became the founders. Even without considering the comic, in the islands mini-series there is a statue of Two-Bread Tom, the leader of the humans Marceline saved.

[@GEN0S_]

Thats actually mind bogeling

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Glad it blew your mind 😅

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

Could you make a video about the Waving Snail or the "Phil Face"? I never understood the deal of those things, were they like inside jokes the writers snuck to the show or do they have some deeper meening?

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Kinda 50/50 tbh

[@Salt-Upon-Woundss]

I think its more likely that the Humans just left Earth and colonized other planets. That or the lack of humans was a mistake and just something that will just end up getting retconned later.

[@aquarius5264]

you ever wonder what it's like elsewhere on earth? like, ooo is just one continent on the planet, there's still a bunch out there, which is evident by there being a bunch of different land masses whenever earth is showed in the show. or maybe they all took the brunt of the mushroom war and ooo is the only surviving area, idk.

[@PichuElric]

I think Ooo became kind of like that Palgya island from the beginning of the earth that was supposedly the one gaintass continent that existed before it was broken into the ones we have today

[@aquarius5264]

​@@PichuElric you mean pangea? eh, i don't think so. you can clearly see other land masses whenever earth is shown. most notably when finn faces orgalorg in space and other parts of season 6 that shows space. i think the most reasonable explanation is that either those lands are just too dangerous to explore/too dangerous to reach either due to fallout from the war or other things, or the show's team just really didn't see the need/didn't think of it.

[@PichuElric]

@@aquarius5264 Ah, I didn't notice that. Other lands besides Oo, that's interesting

[@tkgamer6332]

Great video, and very entertaining. Day 3: Please do a video on Surtr(from God of War Ragnorok, both base form and his Ragnorok form. He is the 2nd being to come into existence in the Norse releam) vs The Lich, and can Kratos solo Adventure Time? Since he destroyed the entire Greek world and flipped the nine realms( with their own infinite universes) in GOW 2018

[@sircrimsonwolf7492]

Ironic that adventure, Time a supposed “kids show” has a lot of dark backstory and also ironically continues to get darker and darker as the story continues with only brief rays of sunlight/hope that periodically show up only to thoroughly remind you this is the post apocalypse.

[@kodiebrown2835]

Actually it’s cannon in the show that the humans Marceline saved were the ones who found the islands, thus it’s cannon that marceline actually did save all of humanity

[@BamBoolaizer]

If Jake was talking about “rockets hasn’t been reinvented yet”in that one episode with Banana Man. I believe the Mushroom war is equivalent of World War 3, since there were no rocket-ships back in 1945

[@DebbieStidham-fb8we]

Have you ever heard of the v-2?

[@dylanbrewer8605]

You're production value has increased tenfold. Keep it up man.

[@the_actual_lauren]

The founders of the human civilization on the islands WERE confirmed in the TV show to be the humans that marceline saved. On the island there is a statue of the guy with glasses named "tom" I think.

[@victorkaranja1420]

The death of mankind is always depressing

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Agreed

[@aceflare2431]

My theory about the implied extinction of the humans at the end of adventure time... There simply weren't enough left to continue for another thousand years. Only their legacy remains in the form of the civilized mutants and the reincarnations of those passed.

[@zoed9155]

I wish they spent more time fleshing out the fear the humans had for their past, and then later of the virus. Like you stated it seemed like the world had a bone to pick with humans specifically. The founders song kind of rushed over it. It would have been cool to see the effect on the pathology of society, and not just in institutions.

[@xSmuggen]

I like to think with PBs help, the remaining humans fled to space, perhaps Mars or the Candy Planet PB was designing at a point in the series

[@charlieputzel7735]

I don't think it was world war two. Personally, the material evidence points to the bomb being dropped in the mid 80s, probably in a situation where the cold war got hot. The clothes of the skeletons in the Lich's lair, Two bread Tom singing sitcom jingles, the motorcycle in the shot of Marceline's mom dying, it's definitely not in line with the 1940s. Frankly, the planes seem to be the exception rather than the rule, but it's also possible given that if I remember correctly that flashback was from farmworld, the timeline there is different. I imagine the Lich had something to do with it, intentionally aggravating the already tense situation in the mid 80s, with Regan reopening the arms race and Gorbachev not yet in charge in the U.S.S.R. I could see the Lich possibly even directly infiltrating the leadership of the Soviet Union given the rate of turnover at the top in that decade.

[@MercurySwordz]

Loved the video. But I only have one complaint. Your outro music sounds like my alarm in the morning lol

[@Sam-hc3zb]

first video within 10 minutes for me of yours. good topic, better length :D

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

You should check out my primordial video then 😊

[@mitcheldxdyt]

Two bread Tom did have a statue in the islands mini series so it is possible if not flat out canon that the humans we know in adventure time are decendant from the group of humans Marceline protected

[@Dem0n2c]

I still remember being completely shocked when I found out Ice King is/was human, both because it's so emotional but also because even though he looked human, I thought it was like a Princess Bubblegum situation where they just look human. R.I.P Simon.

[@tymarscott6548]

You should do a video on the elementals next.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

We'll see 🤔

[@SalariaStudios]

Also mention vaults. The rainicorns can see through solid objects. And then just phase in through the front doors

[@_dmit182_]

4:25 well, you can actually spot a monument at the founder’s island dedicated to that guy, who led the human group Marcy helped with vampires, so I’m pretty sure, that they are confirmed to be founders

[@lupinzwolf98]

I think humans coexisted with the candy Kingdom after leaving the islands as alot of the buildings shown in the abandoned candy Kingdom look human built. And all the candy people are in the upgraded gumball garden, I think the humans over threw princess bubble gum, but she had a back up plan, knowing it would happen eventually, or the humans killed neddy from miss understanding, and them the Kingdom couldn't seaport itself without power and caous insured before anything could be done.

[@Marixchatt]

I have always wondered if the Oozers In the aftermath of “Elements” became Human once again after the LSP reset. Also the “Grey Elves” also humans? Off topic but I always assumed that the remaining Gray Aliens that were screwed over by humans were saved by Princess Bubblegum. Especially since Princess Zip exist 1000 years later so the candy colonization had to have helped them somehow.

[@talesfromafarawayisland7467]

This is very important, especially because you are growing as a channel so rapidly. Don't listen to the bad comments, you do you, love your content especially the Ben 10 episode, really didn't see it coming

[@TKZprod]

Wow you used my music! I thought I have another tab open but no it was your video! That is awesome bro :-) keep up the good work!

[@hooddaddy7124]

that is wild to think about. Even in this universe humans are such cockroaches, down to maybe 100 humans at one point, but two of them found each other and still had more humans 😂

[@Ushatkaa]

I find some errors in this, for example while it is true that the humans that Marceline saved were the founders of the island, this can be proven in the show due to the fact that there is a statue of one of them on the island. In addition, it is very likely that MO CO. Built the guardian because if you look at the structure of the titan and the fire giants in the fire kingdom they are utterly similar, and since there is a shot of Mo with a blueprint for one of the fire giants, we can assume that he built the Guardian, this theory is further enforced by a MO CO. Blimp in a shot of the founders finding the islands. Other than that, this is a very informative video and I learned alot

[@clashcitywannabe]

the humans are definitely the same ones Marceline saved because the ship Finn and company take after they leave the Island is the same ship the humans were on after Marceline saved them. So that's definitely canon.

[@thunderfish9789]

i am currently crying so hard right now. This is seriously the most beautiful, well put together story ever. I can’t believe how magical it was 1:12. That part truly made me shed a tear. And especially at 6:34 that part was just so truly heart touching words can not describe the series of emotions I felt. I absolutely loved the climax it had insanely excellent detail. Oh and we can’t forget the conclusion. The conclusion was the greatest and saddest conclusion I have ever seen better than any of the books I have read. Thank you so much for creating this absolute masterpiece. This is essentially the most important masterpiece of film history. It is a tragedy that this, it can’t be called a film, but a transcendent emotional experience, will be inaccessible for most. It beautifully encapsulates the human struggle to its basics; suffering, pleasure, faith, despair. It connects with the characters within the viewers, individuals suppressed within our own subconscious. It stays vibrant, fresh, and revolutionizes the art of storytelling and filmmaking while making a damn of statement on what it means to be human. Entertaining, gripping, and simply exhilarating. This might be the most impactful piece of art I’ve come across in my life, and I’m definitely coming back to it in the near future to study it more deeply. this is an absolute masterpiece , I was brought to tears listening to this and seeing the bacon go whirly swirly in a circle countless times. it absolutely moved my soul , and I don't think I can ever be the same. this bacon has changed my entire mental state , I am now at peace with who I am and what I will be doing later in my life. i have forgiven all my enemies and now I am a man of a pacifist life. I will move on , gotta move on , as the song says. the bacon is so inspirational , it shares it vast wisdom with all of us , and we are all so lucky that it would bestow it's great words with us. we are all children on bacon. hail bacon. hail bacon. The spinning bacon, rotating in one direction with this music... This made me tear up. How could such a bacon do such a thing? I'm struck by awe by this masterpiece. Especially when the bacon spins, showing its lightly salt covered tan skin. I can hear the crunch just from here, and so as the beautiful sound of the bacon scraping the dark, smooth velvet floor. The flavor, music and everything can be heard, tasted, seen and felt from a screen. You can really hear the breaths between the music artist, empathizing her love for this rotating bacon. Truly what I call modern art. This was the most legendary performance by any piece of bacon I have ever watched. The acting was top tier and very life changing. This is one of the greatest work from a piece of bacon I have ever seen especially on 57:42.I am currently crying so hard right now. This is seriously the most beautiful, well put together story ever. I can’t believe how magical it was at 1:12. That part truly made me shed a tear. And especially at 6:34 that part was just so truly heart touching words can not describe the series of emotions I felt. I absolutely loved the climax it had insanely excellent detail. Oh and we can’t forget the conclusion. The conclusion was the greatest and saddest conclusion I have ever seen better than any of the books I have read. Thank you so much for creating this absolute masterpiece. This is essentially the most important masterpiece of film history. It is a tragedy that this, it can’t be called a film, but a transcendent emotional experience, will be inaccessible for most. It beautifully encapsulates the human struggle to its basics; suffering, pleasure, faith, despair. It connects with the characters within the viewers, individuals suppressed within our own subconscious. It stays vibrant, fresh, and revolutionizes the art of storytelling and filmmaking while making a damn of statement on what it means to be human. Entertaining, gripping, and simply exhilarating. This might be the most impactful piece of art I’ve come across in my life, and I’m definitely coming back to it in the near future to study it more deeply. this is an absolute masterpiece , I was brought to tears listening to this and seeing the bacon go whirly swirly in a circle countless times. Tt absolutely moved my soul , and i don't think I can ever be the same. this bacon has changed my entire mental state , I am now at peace with who I am and what I will be doing later in my life. i have forgiven all my enemies and now I am a man of a pacifist life. I will move on , gotta move on , as the song says. the bacon is so inspirational , it shares it vast wisdom with all of us , and we are all so lucky that it would bestow it's great words with us. we are all children on bacon. hail bacon. hail bacon. The spinning bacon, rotating in one direction with this music... This made me tear up. How could such a piece of bacon do such a thing? I'm struck by awe by this masterpiece. Especially when the bacon spins, showing its lightly salt covered tan skin. I can hear the crunch just from here, and so as the beautiful sound of the bacon scraping the dark, smooth velvet floor. The flavor, music and everything can be heard, tasted, seen and felt from a screen. You can really hear the breaths between the music artist, empathizing her love for this rotating bacon. Truly what I call modern art. This was the most legendary performance by any bacon I have ever watched. The acting was top tier and very life changing. This is one of the greatest work from a bacon I have ever seen especially on 17:24. I am currently crying so hard right now. This is seriously the most beautiful, well put together story ever. I can’t believe how magical it was 1:12. That part truly made me shed a tear. And especially at 6:34 that part was just so truly heart touching words can not describe the series of emotions I felt. I absolutely loved the climax it had insanely excellent detail. Oh and we can’t forget the conclusion. The conclusion was the greatest and saddest conclusion I have ever seen better than any of the books I have read. Thank you so much for creating this absolute masterpiece. This is essentially the most important masterpiece of film history. It is a tragedy that this, it can’t be called a film, but a transcendent emotional experience, will be inaccessible for most. It beautifully encapsulates the human struggle to its basics; suffering, pleasure, faith, despair. The work put in to this is incredibly inspiring. The graphics, the animation, the music, so much thought was put into it. This has remined me that you can do anything you put your mind to. Not even mentioning the memories, this makes me feel like an infant again, just laying my eyes on this beautiful masterpiece gives me all the good feelings in life. I also understand what happiness is again from this. Not even to mention the most incredible part that is 2:10. Bacon spinning has changed my life for the better. It connects with the characters within the viewers, individuals suppressed within our own subconscious. It stays vibrant, fresh, and revolutionizes the art of storytelling and filmmaking while making a damn of statement on what it means to be human. Entertaining, gripping, and simply exhilarating. This might be the most impactful piece of art I’ve come across in my life, and I’m definitely coming back to it in the near future to study it more deeply. this is an absolute masterpiece , I was brought to tears listening to this and seeing the bacon go whirly swirly in a circle countless times. it absolutely moved my soul , and I don't think I can ever be the same. this bacon has changed my entire mental state , I am now at peace with who I am and what I will be doing later in my life. So much great graphic design, so much suspense, so much greatness in this one video. i have forgiven all my enemies and now I am a man of a pacifist life. I will move on , gotta move on , as the song says. the bacon is so inspirational , it shares it vast wisdom with all of us , and we are all so lucky that it would bestow it's great words with us. we are all children on bacon. hail bacon. hail bacon. The spinning bacon, rotating in one direction with this music... This made me tear up. How could such a bacon do such a thing? I'm struck by awe by this masterpiece. Especially when the bacon spins, showing its lightly salt covered tan skin. I can hear the crunch just from here, and so as the beautiful sound of the bacon scraping the dark, smooth velvet floor. The flavor, music and everything can be heard, tasted, seen and felt from a screen. You can really hear the breaths between the music artist, empathizing her love for this rotating bacon. Truly what I call modern art. This was the most legendary performance by any bacon I have ever watched. The acting was top tier and very life changing. This is one of the greatest work from a piece of bacon I have ever seen especially on 57:42. I am crying. This has made me go through an emotional rollercoaster. I cried, beat off, and also watched a movie while watching this premiere. This has made me go through so much. I passed depression because of this. It really inspired me to become an outstanding young man. Thank you.

[@Rat_Online]

Except they do and we see them not only in Fiona and cake but also distant lands and the original series future intro in the finale

[@danielandrews5649]

Came from tiktok. Love these longer youtube videos. Keep it up 🗿

[@supertrollariobros1261]

I went from getting recommended your lich video, to mistaking you for Uncivilized Elk, to binge watching your Unravel series, to finally subscribing

[@hugopershagen5719]

This was really a great summary of the tragic fait of humans i was just thinking when you would do a video about the humans. However one question that popped up in my head when you mentioned the crater is where even is the crater? As we see in the flashback that docktor gross shows to the young seekers the crater was created during the mushroom war. Does the crater have some connection to the creations of Ooo? When i was younger i used to believe that Ooo was IN the crater but when i became more educated i came to the conclusion that was impossible due to the simple fact that Ooo is an island and is surrounded by miles of water showed in The Islands miniseries, i mean the islands that the humans was on was'nt exactly close. (this didn't face me for some reason during your video about the crater).

[@shovelnite]

You forgot to mention the humans that fled to space and biologically molded themselves with Grey alien DNA, shown in distant lands: BMO

[@thebamb00zler6]

I am loving how these videos are getting longer, Thank you. And I'm excited to see an owl house video.

[@darealdovahkiin3652]

Thank you for the best adventure time videos out there my man

[@SnarkNSass]

Dadgum that opening was scawee 😱 😂❤

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

😂

[@finnybobinnypdf]

I don't think the Mushroom war would have been that world's WWII. While that makes sense based on the planes, Patience St. Pim reflects on a time with the other elementals that seemed to be around 2015 or smth like that. I don't believe that war had happened yet.

[@senorapples1115]

They most likely evolved or changed into cuber's species. Its a possiblity since if humans came back to ooo they probably lived with the citizenz and adapted.iirc Thats why the advance gumball guardians recognized him as if he is a citizen despite being noncandy. Also we see this in work in bmo's episode for distant lands where the bad guy infused alien dna into themselves. So its not a bad ending jist a bittersweet one.

[@TriXJester]

I think there should be a caveat with speculation of what happened to humans in Adventure Time's Shermy and Beth/Graybles Era because there is not enough time spent there to draw any real conclusions that could possibly be covered in later content if that was a direction taken. We cant say whether or not they would do a Shemy and Beth spin off as no one can truly predict the future, so it's likely they would go into that during that hypothetical spin off.

[@LividTimes]

you gotta cover the comics, they sound VERY interesting!

[@quickredf0x143]

Definitely interested in the comic being covered. I'm interested in all semicanon material for the things I am interested in (except post canon homestuck, that can go die).

[@voidanims]

I just noticed that you're not uploading daily anymore, really nice that that allows for longer videos like these

[@rgmoses2189]

They should've all stayed on that island

[@robertwest8033]

It wouldn't be world war 2. The technology left behind has a 1980s/early 90s vibe to it. Another suggestion of this era is the fashion of Martin's hair and clothes before he leaves the island. There is a correlation in that a lot of countries sent there children away into the country side during the WW2. But we know the humans left for the island after the mushroom bomb dropped.

[@ProffessorYellow]

The founders Song is a JAM

[@PanosShorts]

Love your work :D.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

Thanks 😊

[@vscurt4601]

I feel like the zombie business men might have been humans once

[@sethward1835]

Maybe they were some of the first mutants

[@flickrebeat8936]

Yes oh my lord