Unreleased Sega Saturn Games - Out There But Not Released !!

[@caseycu]

I read a quote by Yu Suzuki in a magazine in which he described how heartbroken he and his team were after putting so much effort into Saturn Shemue and Saturn VF3, and how proud they were of the results of their hard work, just to see their cancellation. To me, when he sits back in his chair and closes his eyes, it seems that it’s just too difficult for him to talk about. It’s quite sad.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching and commenting. It's hard to say why he doesn't want to talk about vf3 saturn with out speculating. It's most likely because he was disappointed it never came out after all the hard work and him announcing it was coming to saturn. There's two logical reasons it never came out 1/ he couldn't get it to reach his own very high standards on Saturn in the time he had to complete it 2/ Sega cancelled it as they wanted it to be a Dreamcast exclusive to help shift consoles. If I was to guess I would say it's the second reason and Sega cancelled it, by that time they had give up on Saturn. There's no doubt the Saturn version would have had to make compromises, but I would love to see it 👍

[@RoloTonyBrown]

Which mag?

[@roberto1519]

@@retrodadandmodernlad9857 Could be that, but it was common for cross generation consoles to feature the same game, even if the previous generation releases are compromised, the Master System and the Mega Drive share dozens of titles, Golden Axe, Mortal Kombat titles and many, many more. Still, it could be a marketing move, as you suggest.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

@@roberto1519 thanks for watching. Yes, sometimes you will get games come out on an old computer and the new console. However, sega had give up on Saturn and desperately needed Dreamcast to do well. Having the popular in Japan vf3 on Dreamcast was a big draw to get people to buy the new console. If it came out on Saturn people might have waited before getting the next console and sega needed to try take advantage of the head start before PS2 came out. That's just my opinion, hopefully we get more information on it all one day 👍

[@roberto1519]

Could be that, SEGA isn't known for making the best choices. I'd add budget to that, let's consider the Saturn's biggest market was its home country, making both VF3 and Shenmue available for it AND the upcoming Dreamcast (specially to make it more successful overseas where the Saturn didn't have the same impact as the previous 16-bit console could be a smart move, too. There are indeed many reasons why this kind of stuff happened back then, it's sad, though, Shenmue would be the swansong for our Saturns.

[@exidy-yt]

The Saturn was such a powerful machine with so much untapped potential that it's damn near heartbreaking. All you have to do is look at that Shenmue Saturn version to see how astounding it would have been in the late 90s, and even in released games like every Panzer Dragoon game or NiGHTs into Dreams. I love my Saturn and am eternally glad I kept it. Thank you for showing this list, I had no idea about most of them and that RPG in particular looks like it would have been a blast to play if it ever got released.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Yes, I think Saturn had another gear and games like shenmue, vf3, and the sonic adventure Saturn (sonic world in sonic jam shows the progress sonic team made for Saturn version)could of took the system to another level. If you like FPS games check out the hell slave homebrew video I have on my channel. That is very impressive. Hopefully, one day some of the games in this video will be released online for everyone to play 👍

[@lordmaximus780]

The Saturn was such a unique piece of hardware, none of that wobbly textures of the PS1! I think VF3 and Shenmue were probably a bit too ambitious for the hardware though, and it was probably for the best we got the Dreamcast ports we got. Even VF3 on DC wasn't arcade perfect, so i can imagine the Saturn would have had to involve too many compromises. It probably took until the release of the 360 and PS3 before home consoles could be considered more capable than Segas Model 3 arcade board!

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Yes, there's no doubt there would of been compromises made to get any model 3 games to run on Saturn. It would be fascinating to find out what comprises they would have made. The model 3 was a beast and still to this day the games look and play brilliantly 👍

[@costumeninja1914]

Dreamcast was actually more powerful than model 3. The port could have been more than perfect.

[@lordmaximus780]

@@costumeninja1914 I'm not sure it was more "powerful", at least not in many regards. The "Naomi" arcade board which the Dreamcast was based off, was intended as a lower cost arcade board, as Model 3 was insanely expensive (and powerful, particularly the latter versions/steps).

[@iPlaySEGA]

This was nice to watch! VF3 on the Saturn would have been so cool with the 4MB add-on or whatever they have planned to run on the SS (White 64X etc.) but i'm pretty sure, that even with a add-on device it only would run at 30 FPS just like SoulEdge (Soul Blade) on PS1. VF3 had massive 3D stages and the floor also was not "flat".

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes, even if they had of used a graphics accelerator cartridge the Saturn would still not of been able to achieve model 3 arcade perfect graphics. There would of been compromises on the stages and backgrounds. Hopefully, we get more information in the future to see how they would of produced the stages, backgrounds, multi layered floors, and spectacular ring outs on saturn👍

[@drunkensailor112]

It was never going to use an add on cart

[@drunkensailor112]

@OtakuFREEMAN no there isn't

[@WarcleanePro]

Fantastic video mate! Thanks

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. You must be one of the longest time subscribers of my channel. I appreciate all the support and comments 👍

[@RoloTonyBrown]

I appreciate you tackled a lot of the misinformation around VF3. There was a weird poster years ago on Sega Saturn uk forum and Assembler games who would post unsubstantiated crap about the game and how he had industry sources that mysteriously he could never reveal when asked for more information. I ended up challenging him on assembler forums years ago about it, athanemia? Was his handle I think? No doubt AM2 reviewed what was feasible, but the ‘special’ touch for VF3 were the multi layered floors and high elevation which would have been impossible with VDP2 flat planes. Maybe someday some sources will speak but I think VF3 is starting to become a cottage industry of spin for Saturn fans and has turned slowly into its own collective ‘Mandala’ effect moment.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes, there is alot of information online concerning vf3 Saturn in forums and most of it is has absolutely no evidence to back up what's being said. Then alot of the time information does get repeated as fact like you said. I tried to just present what we do know and speak logically in this video. The multi layered stages where a big highlight of vf3 and these would of been difficult on saturn. Would they have sacrificed frame rate to make the stages more detailed.... It's hard to say but the high frame rate and crisp graphics are what made vf2 port so good. I like to think with more experience and better tools developed for saturn since the vf2 port that AM2 would of surprised us by giving a good port but there's no doubt it would of been a down graded port. However, until someone who worked on the game talks about it it's impossible to know. I really hope we do get at the least more information and screen shots one day👍

[@RoloTonyBrown]

@@retrodadandmodernlad9857 I applaud you for not going down that rabbit hole and putting up decent known sources of information. Regardless I would have loved to see whatever preliminary tests or demos AM2 did for Saturn VF3, they absolutely hit a stride from the early 90s onwards and where one of the best team of developers in the world.

[@Sinn0100]

I am a 5th generation collector and my collection is massive. I'm also an SNK guy as well that has a fairly decent library for the Neo Geo AES/MVS/CDZ. Having said that, if I had any of these games you can be sure I would have them preserved for future generations. Unfortunately, many of my collector peers happen to be misers. They hoard these games solely to stroke their own egos. In my eyes they are just as the many publishers actively trying to take physical media away...they just want to control everyone and I can't stand any of them. Maybe one day I will stumble across one of these games as I would enjoy sharing it with the world.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Yes, there many reasons people don't release unreleased games they own. Some enjoy having something exclusive. Whilst, others it because the games are worth alot of money. The Saturn community has been lucky to have seen alot of unreleased games made available for everyone to try, but there remains many that are not publicly available 👍

[@taib]

A long shot - BUT If you’re reading this and have vf3 Sega Saturn version, leak it already! it’s been over 20+ years already

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Hopefully, some day more information will be made available on its development and progress 👍

[@stormxjp]

A lot of games were finished in 98, but everyone cancelled it mostly because of the release of the Dreamcast 😢

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes unfortunately, alot of games were cancelled despite being close to completion in 98 with the Saturn on its way out. Hopefully, we will get to try some of these games in the coming years👍

[@bakaneiro]

Thank you very much for the video ❤

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Hopefully one day we will get to play some the games or get more information 👍

[@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM]

Monica No Shiro looks absolutely amazing... How do we contact the Japanese guy who owns the pre-release disc to try and convince him to share it with the rest of the world before it's lost forever?

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. From what I have heard people have reached out to them, but with no luck. Unfortunately, despite it being very disappointing, in these circumstances it's best not to bombard people as that will make it even less likely they will eventually release it 👍

[@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM]

​@retrodadandmodernlad9857 Yes, you're probably right. Well, hopefully one day he has a change of heart then. Thanks for all your great Saturn content! 🙂

[@exidy-yt]

@@retrodadandmodernlad9857 Yeah. It just makes me sad when people hoard something so easily reproducible like an unreleased game just to increase it's monetary value and risking it's possible final loss instead of acting to preserve the rarest bits of our digital heritage for future generations.

[@colterknebel]

Glad you mentioned Fake Down. I'd love to play that someday! Hopefully it still exists.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Yes, fake down seems like the kind of game I would really enjoy playing, so it's a shame it got cancelled. The Saturn doesn't have alot of these types of games. Hopefully, a build of the game will surface 👍

[@gummislayer1969]

Yeah...Yu was shook behind remembering the cancelation VF3 on the Saturn. I kinda think he thought of his projects like one of his kids...💔💔💔 Now, while I THOROUGHLY enjoy Fighter's Megamix (US AND Japanese), I don't think it would have been a wise decision to release VF3 on Saturn. To me, it seems like FMM was a throwback to Yu because of the cancelation. FMM is VERY nice to play, kinda hard on the eyes. Ultimately, it's NOT even in the same universe as Dreamcast VF3. 🤷🏿‍♂🤷🏿‍♂🤷🏿‍♂ Nice video. Liked & subbed...🤓💙🎮

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching and subscribing. It's difficult to say why he doesn't want to talk about it. He's a legend and pioneer of the games industry and has created so many magical classic games. Maybe he would just prefer not to speak of vf3 Saturn, as since it never came out he looks on it as a low, but who knows. He's happy to discuss Saturn shenmue. I am a big fan of fmm, but it feels closer to fighting vipers than virtua fighter. The amount of content is unreal in fmm and having the dodge/ vf3 character moves are great, but compared to virtua fighter 2 the frame rate is lower and the graphics are not hi-resi. Sega really should do a new fighters megamix, that would be awesome 👍

[@JDVHS]

That's wild! ...would be nice to see them released one day !!

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes, fingers crossed we see a release of some of these one day 👍

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

The famous Monica no Shiro is 100% complete but was never released but there is a Japanese guy who have it but will not share it… such a dushbag

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Yes, quite a few of these games featured are known to be in the hands of collectors and have exchanged hands for large amounts of money. We just have to respect it's up to the owner what they do with their game. A possible solution could be for members of the community to come together to collectively purchase games and then release them. This has happened before with werewolf the apocalypse.

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

@@retrodadandmodernlad9857 i understand that they want to keep the original prototype but why doesn’t they share the iso, just uploading it ???

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

@@sega-re-trop-vieux fingers crossed for a future release as it's certainly one I would love to play 👍

[@segaboy128]

Would have loved vf3 and scudrace on saturn with the model 3 cartridge 64x graphics booster! Vf3 regular saturn and shenmue saturn would have been amazing also!

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Yes, a graphics accelerator cartridge sounds really cool. Hopefully, in the future we will get more information 👍

[@JoeSantini]

Great video. Thank you.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thank you for watching 👍

[@Dreamfab65]

Thank you for the video

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching 👍

[@profcelsofontes]

Happy new year

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Happy new year and thanks for watching 👍

[@jordonvazquez7620]

These needs to be leaked.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Hopefully, one day 👍

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

What about Return Fire? It was often considered 100% complete, but having played it extensively on both 3DO and Playstation i can say without question the Saturn version clearly is not 100% complete. If it was it could've been the definative console version.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. yes, return fire has been dropped online so did not qualify for this video as you can play it. It's one of the few unreleased games dropped online I have not covered yet. I have played it on Saturn ,but not played other versions.

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

@@retrodadandmodernlad9857 It isn't finished, despite the common misconception. Very close to it, but a small few features are missing, and the game has a problem with random crashing. It could run for hours without a hitch, then could crash five times in as many attempts. The save feature also doesn't work, at least not properly. The slow down is crippling at times, and not in a way that couldn't have been significantly improved. It does look nicer than the PS1 version in many aspects, but that is to be expected, since the PS1 version is a warping mess as times as many PS1 games tend to be.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

@@CaseTheCorvetteMan that's really interesting to hear about the differences with ps version from someone who knows the game well. There's quite a few games that were almost complete and did not get released for saturn such as last dynasty and chill.

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

@@retrodadandmodernlad9857 no question it was very close to complete, but i have almost 30 years of fairly regular play on the PS1 version, me and a good friend play it every chance we can and still love it. The 3DO version came out much earlier and in single player is very good, however the split screen mode suffers a bit of slowdown and stuttering which does affect the fun of it.

[@hubertmitura2587]

I only regret Terminus

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Yes, Scavenger had a few interesting games in development for sega saturn that went unreleased when they folded

[@NoSpamForYou]

Monica no Shiro looks amazing and Millenium Fire looks great too. Imagine navigating with a dance pad and using the light gun!

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Yes, both them games look really good and are either very close to completion or complete. I am hopeful they will get a release at some point in the future 👍

[@alix_was_here4602]

Millenium Fire semblait très prometteur, ce n'est pas trop mon type de jeu, j'aimerais vraiment voir sortir Monika no Shiro, mais je piaffe surtout d'impatience pour une traduction de Princess Crown et Nanatsu Kaze 🤗.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Merci d’avoir regardé et commenté. Oui, monica no shiro a l’air très intéressante et j’aimerais vraiment y jouer. Les deux traductions que vous avez mentionnées seraient formidables à voir terminées. Je sais que les deux ont été lancés il y a un certain temps. Cependant, les traductions peuvent être un processus très long.

[@notcodeman]

So why was VF3 featured in the video as being out there? Amazing video nonetheless 👏

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. That's a good question. It's the only game on the list that we have not seen video footage and images released for. The reason I included it is because despite the lack of information available. There was a significant time period between when it was announced as being in development to when it was cancelled. This combined with yu Suzuki saying they had already concluded research for three months would indicate it was likely in some type of playable form when it was cancelled (after around a year and half). Although, how far along development it got is unknown. It is a game people often talk about and there is alot of unsubstantiated rumours online. So it's interesting to detail the information we do know on the game. Hopefully, in the future we will get some more information and possibly a playable version.

[@FakeAdminZ]

Lucky me. I bet on the winner before either existed to purchase. Saturn won at 2D but people didn't care by then about 2D

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. There's no doubt playstation was the most successful of the 32bit era, but I don't regret choosing Saturn as it gave me my happiest gaming memories and nearly 30 years later I am still getting enjoyment from it 👍

[@FakeAdminZ]

I wish I had a Saturn when it came to Capcom fighters :)@@retrodadandmodernlad9857

[@stormxjp]

VF3 allegedly was never in development. They just announced it to marketing... I think Yu Suzuki lied here.

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Japanese magazines covered the press conference Yu Suzuki announce it as coming to saturn and he said they had been looking into it for 3 months. Then when being cancelled officially in 98 it was said to have been in development at the same time as Dreamcast version (which has a very short Dev time) with Japanese magazines quoting sega pr. That's the main information that's available and not just speculation. Unless we hear from someone who was involved there's not a lot to go on apart from that. It wasn't unusual for Sega to wait until a game was close to completion to show footage of it running. Fighter mega mix was announced at same press conference as vf3 Saturn, but fighters mega mix was due for release in Japan less two months later. Shenmue was in development for Saturn a while but again it was not showed off at the time. It could be the case it was cancelled much quicker and sega just never announced it was cancelled, but there's no solid evidence at the moment that was the case.

[@stormxjp]

@@retrodadandmodernlad9857 yeah, I've heard it years ago on 2ch. Some former employees said it was never in development. It was pure marketing. Since 2ch is anonymous...🤐 I believe in that, though. Everybody knows 2ch was full of employees of all Japanese companies 🤭

[@thesadmusicboy]

Saturn really damaged Sega ...

[@retrodadandmodernlad9857]

Thanks for watching. Sega certainly made some strange decisions back in the Saturn era, but they also produced some great games. The 32bit consoles were a great time of innovation 👍

[@NoSpamForYou]

No, Sega really damaged Saturn.