The Great Spectacle (The Gay Science #4 I.30 - I.44)

[@MrSkypelessons]

You have a great talent for discussing Nietzsche. Thanks so much. Always a pleasure. And yes, I do live in a permanent state of distrust. And yes, I am driven by a malicious hatred.

[@untimelyreflections]

Thank you! 🙏

[@MrSkypelessons]

@@untimelyreflections Thank you! I do love your ideas and your way with words. Looking forward to the next episode

[@ItsGettingNearDawn]

​@MrSkypelessons, nice to see you here, all the best 👍

[@isaacbarratt854]

at approx 1:30:00 an assertion is made that the creative type would prefer boredom over a task that gives no satisfaction. This definitely applies to myself: if I don't enjoy it I cant bring myself to do it; most jobs need to be dangerous or difficult lest they stop being worth my time. my time: I spend mostly doing nothing

[@maximilianthiel8485]

1:34:04 I listen to your casts while pruning my trees or right now sweeping the floor in the greatest bliss …. As I work for my city thus no corporate interest …. It’s just me of my own will crafting beautiful nature …. While being allowed to listen to your podcast …. I’m truly blessed

[@brendanerickson2363]

This is my favorite podcast on YT! Thank you so much for the great content!

[@TheGreatness-gg1jx]

Thanks for discussing this book. The question of "money" isn't so much a question of "what would we do without" as much as it is a question of "how do we establish and convey Value", of a person, an object, an idea? As long as their are questions of Value there will be some form of monetary/energy exchange. "Politics" as you're describing it, has only existed outside of America for a few decades. Monarchy/Tyranny was the norm. But in Rome and Athens, "politics" wasn't entertainment, it was the key cog in the machine of the Polis. In Rome in particular, it was Rome. The people we today call "celebrities" were literally 3rd Class citizens, only slightly above slaves, who imitated the Optimates in their plays and poems.

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

I would also highly recommend the three part documantary series "The Power of Nightmares" by Adam Curtis, which while reflecting on the "war on terror" era is still exemplary for the mechanics of the politics of fear which we are still experiencing maybe even more totalitarian than back then

[@apostletechno8794]

Hey! I very much enjoy your content, this channel has been a staple in my every day life as of late, and I very much enjoy partaking in Nietszches ideas through your interpretation and your extensions of the ideas presented. Keep up the great work, from a stranger across the globe who greatly appreciate what you're doing!

[@aronlazarhargitai8680]

I read Book II before this episode, and I think we have highlighted the same passages. The Gay Science is a treasury, just as Nietzsche's other works.

[@afk2514]

"Behold me too! Herald of lightning, a dark cloud's heavy drop, but this lightning is called Übermensch."

[@Villainilla]

Always a treat, thanks for the video!

[@untimelyreflections]

Thank you! 🙏

[@TheWilliamHoganExperience]

So once again he’s untimely. Nietzsche pre-figures the modern concept of “Frenemy” 😂 “I’ve always struggled with friendships when they become transactional or competitive. Who needs that crap? Life is hard enough. We are surrounded by those who want to exploit us for our resources, or beat us down so they can feel superior. It’s bad enough when strangers and bosses and co-workers do it. But our FRIENDS? Really? Better to walk alone. But I’m autistic, so what the hell do I know 😅 ;-) Great podcast as always

[@TheWilliamHoganExperience]

As for fame being necessary to artists, I disagree. It ruins most. Artists don’t need fame. We create regardless of our circumstances or successes or failure. Regardless of indifference or celebration of our work. It’s society that needs fame in order to recognize artists. The herd is incapable of recognizing celebrating, and rewarding art for its own sake. The herd looks to the herd to know what it should like, with fame and popularity as signifier. In this regard politicians are the opposite of artists. They pander to the herd to achieve political power. When an artist panders to the crowd they lose their power. Their artistic power. Their creative power. They become politicians rather than artists. This has ruined as many great musicians as drugs and alcohol. Maybe more. Hell, it ruined Wagner didn’t it? Bono too. Don’t get me started on Roger Waters or Don Henley. And I’m not just talking about their political activism. Artists make art for its own sake, and it’s why most live in isolation and poverty to some degree, unconcerned with fame or fortune. The good ones anyway…

[@Villainilla]

@@TheWilliamHoganExperience As an artist, I agree on the basis that I have no deep rooted for desire for Fame in the sense of prestige and notoriety-- but I do desire to find like minded people and share my work with at least someone, being a creative gets lonely sometimes-- even then you can't actually make something out of nothing, art has inspiration from somewhere, even the mind draws from outside itself. So it's a semantics thing because I don't really see a distinction between colloquial Fame and simple attention seeking. Interesting insight though, I agree that when an artist panders, they are bringing someone else's ego to life rather than solely their own. There is a level of give and take when it comes to the creation of art and the consumption of art. It is a performative action, regardless if it's for the self or an audience. As much as I appreciate Nietzsche's art for art's sake, art is an extension of the unconscious so it's hardly that vague. It is mythology, an ideal, a reminder.

[@wes5614]

Changed taste is one of my favorites. It made me think of punk music which was so abrasive and different at the time but punks asserted themselves with such overwhelming confidence and power that eventually they changed people's taste. How could someone like the sound of shrill guitar feedback? Somehow, I aquired a taste for music so loud that it's harmful to my ears. Schopenhauer would've said I'm an idiot! I love Nietzsche because you can just flip through practically all of his books and just stop where you see something interesting. While this is my favorite book of his I never read it from front to back. Your podcast has really helped me get more out of this awesome book, thanks!

[@tarequesharquawy9091]

I've come across your pod a few months ago and have been a big fan since. This is the first time I catch an episode that soon and it warms my heart. Thank you!

[@diegof8239]

Cannot thank you enough for these interpretations and explanations. Loved that you included more aphorisms in this one 👍.

[@xxmsp91]

I just saw an ad for Jordan Peterson's 8 part series take on Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil. I have a feeling he's gonna basterdize it, and the selfish part of me don't want him spreading the book to the masses.

[@brendanseanmurphy]

so good, thank you!

[@danmarco7126]

Such a great episode

[@dashabateman4409]

Do you upload these to podcast apps? I am going on a long drive and I'm converting them to mp3 haha. Is there a better way to download these? I love your work!

[@untimelyreflections]

It’s on spotify, link in description 👍. You can also find it on apple podcasts and others, just search The Nietzsche Podcast

[@diegof8239]

Try podbean if you're on Android.

[@XanDionysus]

"Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them." - Hume And there was a philosopher-king figure Solomon who expressed a pessimistic outlook where the socratic view had no influence: "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."

[@odinata]

Lol the very first line describes trump perfectly! How timely and prescient

[@JamesDimond-l7u]

Witches may be the Mother Goddess Queen Medean Dionysian Cult that ruled polytheusm

[@Simplyinfamous-yc4pi]

Isn't the necessity of musician more of having the ability to comminicate to an audience their true expression of feelings through art? If the audience understands the message or finds it relative I feel the bands who do this most successfully draw in an audience. But on the other hand there are plenty of good bands who do not have commercial success. They are some really unique people who in person do not reveal who they are as willingly as in their music. Sometimes the music isn't even about them. They tell a story that evokes the same emotion another can recognize. Jeez this really has me thinking 🤔. I think i have an aversion to the description of the life of a public figure. I would not be able to do this.

[@languagegame410]

what's the title of that painting, Keeg?!

[@untimelyreflections]

Jean Leon Gerome,”Pollice Verso”

[@languagegame410]

@@untimelyreflections thanks!

[@PeterGregoryKelly]

Everyone can use Nietzsche, even people opposed to each other. A little bit like religion. How many Jesuses are there with each contradicting Jesus having gospel support. I have even heard that in some parts of Asia there is a thing called :Prosperity Buddhism" as strange as that sounds .

[@PeterGregoryKelly]

Nietzsche is actually quite the psychologist and better at explaining human nature than almost all present day psychologists. What sort of a therapist he'd make I might think average or less but as an analysist of human motivation and theoretician, first rate.

[@benquinneyiii7941]

He 219 night fighter

[@h.k8063]

why is the series called gay science?

[@user-qc3dn2el6j]

I think it’s cuz the author is gay? Idk

[@whoaitstiger]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gay_Science

[@Knaan-ro6eo]

That’s the title of the book lol

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

gay = happy = content in life = how to live a happy fulfilled life That's how Nietzsche meant it, the word had THAT, ONLY, meaning until mid of the last century. Same with Nietzsche's "SUPERMAN", they had to translate it to Overman, or Uberman for MODERN ears, who immediately link superman to the cartoon character.

[@whoaitstiger]

@@ggrthemostgodless8713 More than simply happy, it meant a special kind of boisterous, exuberant, devil-may-care happiness. A lamb would be frolic in a field gayly for example. That is why it was adopted for as slang for homosexuality - from the stereotype that homosexual men are extremely outgoing and, well, gay all the time.

[@waynesmathers3147]

Ive fallen through the cracks, i'm a ship adrift & god is dead

[@voidoceanskye266]

Find Xanadu. Break your fast on honeydew. Drink the milk of paradise.

[@m3tamonk3y4]

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[@bradrandel1408]

🦋🕊🌹

[@chauno1234]

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[@kennethanderson8827]

Greetings to my beloved wise/knuckleheads who enjoy (joy?) wasting vast sums of Time (good Floyd tune) on nontypical no- money pursuits (suits, i only like Wet Suits. I am at my Best when I get Wet- - in the Pacific Ocean you bad Dirty Dogs- - and Dogettes. I Like Dogettes 2 Much, which explains my current look but no touch expensive merchandise policy (police? Early stuff is good), you tail wagers are too tempting and precious. Advice: get Spartan with All the Things in Life Yesterday. Weird but decent coke drinking investor guy from Nebraska dumped 1/2 of his Apple stock in Q2 of fiscal year Now. Shit is about to get real reals. Rise Above. One more thing, I just called my devise with the painting/picture of Diogenes onscreen Thucydides. Which Is Real Real. Eat only from the outer rows of the store. Lots of hard boiled eggs. Save your money. Amor the fucked up economy & pray for No Nukes being lobbed. Happy 57 To Me on Monday. You Are My Family Now🌚🌝🌓🌗⚡️⚡️⚡️🌪🔥💥🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦍

[@phanomtaxskibididoodoo]

Name of the painting or its painter?

[@untimelyreflections]

Pollice Verso by Jean Leon Gerome

[@whoaitstiger]

I'm just imagining holding up a queue, explaining to the guy at the welfare office that my "idleness is resolute ... for thinkers and all sensitive spirits, boredom is that disagreeable windless calm of the soul that precedes a happy voyage and cheerful wind." 🤣

[@alexandrefelipealmeidacost347]

Very nice episode, as always. Ive seen youve done videos comparing Nietzsche to other thinkers and i wanted to ask if you ever intend on doing a video on Kierkegaard

[@life42theuniverse]

My hypothesis Tiberius ruled as a spectator because it was a time of recession caused by a shortage of lumber or overpopulated empire.