Update/BodyCam-Trespass Rescinded-Carthage Texas

[@HONORYOUROATH]

Original video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZa4op6JhL9merMsi=fNfQun5hYb8bOtQ2 Jeff, Thank you for talking to me today regarding last Friday. First and foremost, I sincerely apologize for any distress this situation may have caused you. We take your concerns seriously and are committed to making things right. I also wanted to let you know that the criminal trespass has been removed. We never want to violate anyone’s civil rights, and we want to ensure that everyone is treated with respect, especially our veterans. To reinforce this commitment, we’re scheduling additional training for our police department on civil rights among there other training. I have also held a meeting with my staff on how these situations should be handled in the future. I tried to attach the body cam footage as requested but it was too large of a file. I uploaded it to my Google Drive and will share it that way. You should receive a notification. If that doesn’t work, let me know and I can mail it to you. If there is anything else that you need, please let me know. Again, thank you for your understanding and patience. Steve Stephen K. Williams, CPA City Manager City of Carthage P. O. Box 400 Carthage, TX 75633

[@bwsimonson]

Hardest thing to do is apologize, good on this man for making things right. That being said, I hope he takes issue with the other employees and their misrepresentation and untruths of Jeffs activity. Especially that old guy in the beige shirt. Sorry about the edits, my system wasn't catching up.

[@shroompicn-shrooman]

So it was all about the 29s checking for warrants had zero to do with the trespassing.

[@Stomper97]

No mention of the officer being disciplined for the rights violations.

[@patrickobrien1395]

He knew you were legal and within your rights, and still did not stop the cop from trespassing you.

[@billss396]

You should demand a written apology from this ignorant cop for violation of your 4th amendment rights.

[@c.f.108]

Remember, this officer encouraged you to take this matter to court.

[@LawernceSimmons]

*If he is sued, he might not ever say that again!*

[@RoyB327]

Keyword if "He" is sued ​@@LawernceSimmons

[@5thlevelweb887]

@@RoyB327right, if only it worked that way.

[@answer4256]

@@RoyB327 Oh! His qualified immunity is gone! Brown v Texas is established case law as well as Texas penal code 38.02, and he can also add in Turner v Drive since he was recording the interaction as well especially since he solicited a trespass!

[@ivermectin1908]

Send the video to the cities insurance company. They find out cops are encouraging people to sue them, they may already have, or introduce a clause that inviting a lawsuit nullifies any indemnity clause they have with the police department. Shut down that indemnity and watch how quick their actions change

[@gregbatton7350]

The city manager was right there and let it happen. Sue the crap out of them.

[@dakinlowe36]

So he and his staff also need training, not just the cops.

[@John-ke2jm]

Ya he could have stopped it and it was clear he knew they didn't have the authority to trespass him but rolled the dice that Jeff wouldn't do anything about it.

[@martinshryock]

He even knew that he had a right to be there

[@bwsimonson]

If you regularly follow Jeff, he doesn't sue the crap out of these places, he and FIRE work together to get training on civil rights and the only money they get is a symbolic gesture. The training and admission is the goal.

[@fldigger]

The city manager eventually talked to an attorney - that’s why he sent the letter

[@FarckewVerimucc]

Wow. What a bunch of liars! “Got in their faces” “asking for money”. Please sue this town for the sake of its residents and anyone else traveling through. Pathetic display from the city of Carthage.

[@JLamb161]

Filing a false police report is a crime, lying to police is also a crime.

[@sysfixr]

liars and cowards, all of them.

[@onionhead5780]

That says a lot about someone’s character. Or should I say lack thereof.

[@mindlessness5325]

It seems that people always say Jeff is aggressively asking for money.

[@-suphur]

@@mindlessness5325 Because if a city or town has any panhandling law that will stick in the books, it's about "aggressive panhandling". It's funny that these publicly employed clowns that work at these town centers know enough about the laws to eject someone, but nothing about the rights that they possess.

[@fingerlakesparanormalinves9022]

Everyone in that office that said he asked for money should be held criminally liable for this

[@Mrgui110tine]

You so sure he wasn't before the KZbin video started? Jeff was called by God to stand with a I love cumming sign outside a elementary school before. He does what he needs to for content

[@jrambo7495]

Pisses me off that Jeff uses God to lie about his actions. Shame on that fool.

[@DougJohnson-om3uw]

@@Mrgui110tinethe bootlickers have entered the chat

[@Mrgui110tine]

@@DougJohnson-om3uw im just addicted to his content.. it's hard not to see through the bs at this point

[@gilbertcanul996]

@@DougJohnson-om3uw They love the taste of cheap leather boots.

[@WillBabitt]

You can tell that the cop has never had to pay for his own mistakes.

[@MichaelGreen831]

Isn’t qualified immunity a beautiful thing? /s

[@scottage_teaches_jujutsu]

You can tell he probably can’t spell “mistake”

[@-suphur]

@@MichaelGreen831 I'm not sure if that will apply here though, that dumb cop violated several rights that he swore an oath to protect. That's a hard rock to crawl from under. Besides that, not knowing the difference between public and private property, how a trespass works with an initial warning and the Texas statute for having to ID are all basic knowledge that a cadet should know. I believe QI protects them from ignorance of a law, not the rights they swear an oath to protect leaving the academy.

[@LordHawHaw100]

He will here. No immunity. Settled case law in fifth circuit. Turner vs. Driver.

[@LordHawHaw100]

I mean 38.02., not t vs d.

[@John-ke2jm]

Lets not forget the city manager is on that body cam and could have stopped that from happening to Jeff right then and there and chose not to. Only after being flooded with calls and the threat of a lawsuit did he change his mind.

[@shadowbanded]

And who says that the next person comes in there they won't run off. It doesn't matter if the trespass gets rescinded if they're still allowed to run you off

[@russellopenshaw8975]

100%

[@-suphur]

It took me a minute to realize that it was the manager in the blue shirt at the end. He stated on camera that Jeff was allowed to do what he was doing, but let him get run off anyway. Jeff needs to file several lawsuits, one against the town, the manager and that dumb cop.

[@John-ke2jm]

@@-suphur Yup, he made the mistake of stating on camera he knew he was allowed to be there and even made comments about him not being able to go into employees only places.

[@TheSwicker316]

@@shadowbanded ABSOLUTELY!! I couldn't agree more. Jeff LOST this one w/o a LAWSUIT and one that hits them with a real amount of $$ not the typical symbolic amount.

[@mjg1955]

FIRE everyone in that office! Liars must be held accountable!

[@-suphur]

If I'm not mistaken, that guy in the blue shirt was who contacted Jeff. You can also hear him say that he was actually Ok to be doing what he was doing and was aware of people that do such things, but still had him removed. No excuse for any of them. I'm also tired of them using the "women are nervous/uncomfortable" reason too.

[@charlesjones6136]

That cop does not know the difference between public and private property....UNREAL......

[@mapo5976]

Yip.... Ready ..... Aim ......

[@skippylippy547]

@@charlesjones6136 It's amazing, isn't it?

[@mrwilson7617]

Disgusting lying muppets.

[@basanistes359]

It never ceases to amaze me how cops love trespass laws except when they themselves are the ones trespassing.

[@Penguins44]

Yes! So true.

[@lukeknowles5700]

Four employees, who are paid by taxpayers, were in the lobby whining to the cop over a man with a sign. What a crew. They should all be replaced.

[@MR-si2cd]

They also lied

[@myknelsen7378]

Near the end when the office went inside, they guy with the blue shirt is the City Manager, right?

[@anitahoffman5927]

They need a waaaaabulance

[@NearlyFullyFree]

@@myknelsen7378 Yes, - and the cop told Jeff seconds earlier that the City Manager wasn’t available. Edit - actually my mistake, the cop told Jeff the City Attorney wasn’t available but conveniently ignored Jeff asking for City Manager

[@abassett22]

Not just whining but LYING THEIR ASSES OFF about him asking for money and getting in peoples faces.

[@jeffhatmaker817]

If women are not capable of working with the public without "getting nervous", they need to find another job. I'm sick of this crap.

[@Tryp-j9d]

Even they have contempt for “the GIRLS.”

[@jones8102]

They could take a page from any 16 year old a That works at McDonald's

[@DirtyPlumbus]

This is why they were hired.

[@joem5332]

It’s too bad that women are allowed to vote because they vote with emotion. Everything’s emotion no common sense whatsoever.

[@ryanjones7681]

Happens ALL the time. Bankers, bartenders, waitresses, they're all scared/nervous around men. Seriously, it's either the media needs to stop, or these women need to go back to being housewives.

[@YouveBeenMiddled]

Listen to how easily they lie to harm others.

[@bojohannesen4352]

It's one of the absolutely most vile and disgusting things a person can do. And it's literally a question of life and death, especially with American police.

[@Mike-vw4gy]

With them, lying is as easy as breathing........they do it without even thinking about it or the consequences to anyone!

[@deecarlisle5938]

Exactly. They shouldn't still have jobs and should be charged for the false statements.

[@patriotcountry4716]

​@Mike-vw4gy Yeah you can tell a habitual liar. They have no problem, reluctance at all when spewing their lies. It comes easy, natural to them

[@torycarter8747]

Exactly

[@michaelkangas3437]

Unbelievable how many law enforcement don’t know how a trespass works! Amazing!

[@jameswest9261]

Amazes me how so many Officers lack the intelligence to enforce laws, but have tremendous knowledge of feelings and uncomfortable enforcement. Uneducated Officer lacks any knowledge of trespass laws. I so hope Jeff sues.

[@MadMax-pt3yk]

Trespass is only part of it. What's amazing is how many Law Enforcement Officers don't know anything about governing the Law.

[@johna3607]

That cop is not trainable. Lies and stupidity.

[@onionhead5780]

Well in his defense, anyone with an inkling of intelligence would not have become a cop in the first place.

[@beaversixniner]

💯

[@-suphur]

That seems to be the type they seek out, just smart enough to follow orders and dumb enough to carry them out.

[@Platoface]

100% a clown.

[@Nick-hi9gx]

@@onionhead5780 That's not fair at all. There are some brilliant detectives. Beat cops are dumb though, almost all of them.

[@rexmasters1541]

The officer is the issue and the city manager never once addressed the behaviors of his officer. Until the officer is disciplined for violating your rights nothing will ever change.

[@LawernceSimmons]

*Nailed it!*

[@Rooln1]

@@rexmasters1541 that would be like trying teach a toddler calculus. He will never understand the nuance no matter what discipline or education he gets.

[@StarterVillian]

Police are never going to willingly give up their perceived power over the people

[@bojohannesen4352]

​@@LawernceSimmonsYou didn't nail anything.

[@MartintheTinman]

If you listen to the City Manager, it's more his fault. He summed up the whole situation and still let the violation continue

[@srwilliams628]

The City Manager is now doing damage control trying to appease Jeff so he doesn’t sue. I would file one just before the cop had the “I don’t care attitude” do what you have to. The City Manager was present for this incident and did absolutely nothing to help his city

[@BrooklynBalla]

Still a lot better than 9 out of 10 towns.They usually just double down and side with the cops.

[@dippegalant]

@@BrooklynBalla Actually, Jeff has gotten a whole host of cities to admit to their faults.

[@caniacstevehenderson7115]

Exactly Correct 😮

[@TheBooban]

But we only got half the body cam. Where is the first cop to manager conversation?

[@russellopenshaw8975]

Very true

[@mamadukes3960]

Liars are the worst. At their age, they know better. What a disgrace. Blessings Jeff. Thank you for promoting change

[@FillInLastName]

PLEASE follow through on a lawsuit. The attitude of that lawless cop was simply.... " I'll do whatever I want to do to cause you harassment and then later on you can figure out if I was breaking the law or not." What?!? The only way that attitude will change is if you bankrupt this one stop-light town. This should be career ending for this cop.

[@unionjack8463]

Its like a gravitational field model with the "kerplunk!" in the middle. Sucked in by their own ego. LIAR LIARS.

[@lunchbox5825]

The letter said, " please dont sue the crap out of our big dummys we dont know the law"

[@mariegarside8830]

Indeed that was the message.

[@-Untitled-]

Top comment.

[@5thlevelweb887]

Yep. Sue them anyways. They won't really learn otherwise ... and maybe not even then.

[@answer4256]

Oh! You read that too!!

[@mattmanyam]

🎯🎯🎯

[@wkntrtl]

Jeff, please file a lawsuit, and update. Thank you sir for spreading the message.

[@davidhbrown9767]

I got through to Carthage City Hall by calling the police department and saying that I was having trouble reaching them. The dispatcher transferred me to the city hall where I spoke to a nice lady, and I told her about the mistake they had made in their treatment of Mr. Gray. I told her I hoped people weren't being too abusive to her, but people don't like hearing about Constitutional violations and unjust treatment of anyone (but especially Mr. Gray, at this point) let alone a veteran that is advocating for his fellow veterans. We had a nice, short conversation and everything was cordial, while at the same time I let her know "We the people....." are NOT happy.

[@FillInLastName]

PLEASE PLEASE take this cop's pension. He CANNOT claim ignorance as he was FULLY informed that he was violating Jeff's civil rights. He knew what he was doing... and he did not care... He blatantly did it anyway. This should be the easiest lawsuit... ever.

[@tbdrummer67]

Right. The US Supreme Court ruling regarding "qualified immunity" says that police are entitled to it when they don't know or understand the law. It was SUPPOSED to be a protective device but has been abused. Police absolutely DO NOT have qualified immunity when they violate well established civil rights and KNOW they are doing so. This cop should be sued personally for a pile of money he can't afford, and forced to resign.

[@tamtheman2099]

he has been doing that for twenty plus years, ignorance of the law in court should be no excuse for anyone of it should be good for EVERYONE in court.

[@TexTheAlmighty]

@@tbdrummer67 It just has to have an established precedent, with almost exact circumstances.. so these should all be followed through with, to establish specific precedent. Informing the officer is part of specific precedent.

[@tomwilson1006]

Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense. That officer should be held accountable to the fullest extent possible!

[@shaystern2453]

qualified immunity

[@CouchMonkey79]

The city manager was there and he knew what it was and STILL let it happen. I would still sue the shit out of them until they really learn.

[@tamtheman2099]

and for enough money to build a new veterans homeless shelter and 10 years running costs, the slap on the wrist that jeff allows needs to stop only then will the towns people get their officials under control.

[@TheOrangeRoad]

Unfortunately Jeff doesn't sue for any amount that the city will learn from. They would probably pay the money even if Jeff was in the wrong, simply because the amount is under $2k and it's easier to avoid a trial

[@CouchMonkey79]

@TheOrangeRoad I'm ok with that. If it was just the city manager being what happened, apologized, and retrained people that would be one thing but the fact the manager was there and didn't stop it is what they now need to be held accountable for. Even if it is just $1789.

[@Daniel-vh9lg]

Unbelievable. I live here in this town and I can honestly say, I'm embarrassed for this behavior. I've lived here for 20 years and didn't know this is how they roll. He never asked for a dime, nor was he holding it up to people's faces. Thanks for posting these. It's nice to know.

[@sheffieldzamo7444]

Yeah, the old guys said he felt sorry for him and then proceeded to tell a load of lies about someone he thought was down on his luck, knowing it would mess his life up more. Probably thinks he is a good Christian too. He seriously needs to reflect.

[@MilanoGuyTexas]

What is the name of the cop who threatened Mr. Gray. I noticed he never identified, himself and I never heard anybody else say it. How many cops do they have in that town.

[@charleslink8638]

God bless Jeff and the Homeless Veterans

[@donsab-xz4so]

Cop goes back in and tells the manager that Jeff said that they did not have the right to trespass him from public property. The manager basically confirms that what Jeff said was correct. Yet, does the cop say "Oh, no, I screwed up!" Nope, he plows forward.

[@adcolt54]

Cop also lied about the city manager not being available. The guy is standing right there.

[@Ghostrider53120]

Those public severants are horrible people for lying. Absolutely disgusting.

[@skippylippy547]

Agreed.

[@OrbSpider]

Sneaky little lies from spineless wimps, with no understanding of human rights. Pathetic!

[@Thinks-First]

Snowflake elitists. They think they are above the public. They are PEE: "Public Employee Elitists."

[@JakeBor]

servants

[@YoutubeCrittic]

The worst part for me is the cop doesn't even know the difference between private property and public property... absolutely clueless.

[@thebullgator]

They hire procedure robot apes to do this job.

[@daveraatz1328]

Obviously a hire to the "Good Ole' Boys Club" due to being related to someone.

[@bedpansniper]

This happens so many times, they don't teach public trespass, because it doesn't exist...BUT a coppers brain can't work that out and as order followers, all trespass is the same! Thick as mince 😂

[@patverum9051]

Hire only < 80 IQ recruites, this is what happens.

[@wntrw4841]

There's a huge difference between clueless, and knowing what he's doing is wrong and not giving a shit. Most Piggies fall into the latter category.

[@MarkStanding]

From an Australian vet, you're a champion, Jeff. Im just glad our police aren't tyrants like American cops.

[@Itstime2029]

Jeff sue them. When it costs them money, they learn their lesson. No picture of the ignorant cop? His qualified immunity should be revoked

[@FreeUkraine69]

He has to , they said on video that is the only reason behind people with cameras to sue them when the people with cameras do no wrong , it is them doing wrong and attempting to deflect the truth and trying to play the victim against their victim

[@todaylets2583]

The cop said take him to court. Give him his wish!!!

[@kllraon]

They will learn no lessons. The local taxpayers will pay the bill and the city hall employees will go on to keep furthering their ignorance. This is why this channel and others like it are important. Only through these "audits" are the tyranny that is common throughout America exposed. I'm sorry, I had planned to continue with something uplifting but the video has put me in a foul mood.

[@anthonyegreene]

It won't cost them anything. The taxpayers pay.

[@Chris-rf8is]

City manager googles "Jeff gray" Oh shit.....we gotta fix this asap

[@steveladner4346]

Bingo.

[@louskunt9798]

🤣🤣🤣😂

[@13699111]

%100

[@Ladybug1222]

After his secretary showed him how to do a google search!

[@FillInLastName]

Exactly... I don't believe for a second that they backtracked because it was the right thing to do... They backtracked because they know jeff could bankrupt them.. . And he should!!

[@Zakster90]

“…And the girls are nervous,” well, I guess that means they get to violate this man’s rights because somebody’s nervous

[@BryanFritchie]

Well duh.

[@FYMASMD]

Uncomfortable women. The most heinous crime you can commit. 🙄

[@electvolt67]

I have a feeling the girls are always nervous.

[@joeblow2069]

They lied that he was getting in people's faces. Going up to people in their cars and asking everybody he sees for money. Carthage Tx can go to hell!

[@mariegarside8830]

That makes them the feelings police.

[@ROSS.BeaverDiver]

Another BUT…THANK YOU for doing what you do. I’m paralyzed & obviously in a wheelchair. I’d love to give this a shot and see how I am treated.

[@sickofgovwaste]

The man who initially lies to the officer needs fired, the cop needs fired, and the city manager and chief of police need fired. This behavior is intolerable, and quite frankly, nobody seems to know the 1st Amendment, the difference between public and private property, or Texas Penal Code 38.02. How can you run a city in Texas WITHOUT KNOWING THE MOST BASIC OF LAWS? We've had it with this!!

[@jeremy5284]

City Manager is trying to save them from a lawsuit. He just admitted on the record what he did was wrong and he stood there and let it happen

[@skippylippy547]

That's correct. I say sue them and make it hurt.

[@OneWouldThink]

He probably didn’t realize til later that the cops administer the trespass at the affirmation of the city official. THEY’RE BOTH WRONG!!

[@andywaltrip8182]

​@@skippylippy547unfortunately, Jeff doesn't ever sue for enough to encourage change! He sues for peanuts and a tiny donation to a military charity. THESE PEOPLE ARE USUALLY BEGGING TO SETTLE! he should sue for the max, and donate it to the military charities. Jeff isn't in this for the money. But, suing for the max might make these guys change....idk

[@skippylippy547]

@@andywaltrip8182 You're right Andy. Thank you for that excellent commentary.

[@alinatamashevich3354]

If 2 or more people....

[@Swanke]

Please sue the hell out of them. They need to leave. Please sue the cop in his individual capacity.

[@raybernal6829]

Jeff never does that. He sues to get things done correctly and takes a symbolic $ amount and donates it to FoS organizations

[@petertraveller6421]

Need to stop symbolic world hugging and get good money to build like trailer park style homes for veterans.

[@TheOrangeRoad]

​@raybernal6829 Yup. I respect Jeff, but the lawsuits *are* just symbolic

[@deannanace8935]

Yes, I can't help but think that Jeff has the ability to really commense change. Wake more important people up who have the authority to get rid of some bad actors inside our government agencies. Get a mandatory training implemented. I can't help but think Jeff might be able to get a LOT MORE attention on the ignorance of public servants & the abuse we suffer because of it. Could Jeff create much more change than what he is currently doing? $1,000 dollar fines are a pittance & not an adequate wake up call & don't come out of these tyrants pockets. What is the answer? 🎶 "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right - & here i am, stuck in the middle with you." 🎶💃

[@terryjohnson3479]

One thing nobody ever mentions is that public servants do not have rights. They have duties. Nobody seems to ever get that.

[@iampracticingpiano]

City manager expects a pat on the back for rescinding the UNLAWFUL trespass. Not good enough. All city employees, including cops, need to be trained and should have ALREADY been trained. The fact they are not lies with Stephen Williams. Shameful.

[@debbiebertram]

It’s terrible that the need to be trained not to lie.

[@GlenCychosz]

Take it to court. The cop wants you to. Comply.

[@ZommBleed]

Yes, please cooperate with the police.

[@tmmelendezcooahz]

Agree. Just like the bootlickers and cops say: fight it in court.

[@BryanFritchie]

The cop is even told, "I don't know if we can do anything," and he still continues! TYRANTS.

[@tamtheman2099]

That was after he trespassed Jeff. He was very happy to trespass Jeff just because he was called about a "homeless" man at the city hall.

[@BryanFritchie]

@@tamtheman2099 Perfect time to say, "You're right, let me go correct this."

[@Combat_Pyro]

I want to know when that officer is forced to apologize. People don’t learn until it hurts. Sue them

[@ianbattles7290]

These are the same people who tell the public that "ignorance of the law *is NOT an excuse"...* Title 18, Section 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law

[@Thinks-First]

Been saying that for years. Public servants DEMAND you follow the letter of the law. But they don't have to. One standard for me, another standard for thee. Put public workers in their place. Outlaw public sector unions. They are immoral and indefensible.

[@TheModernPost]

If it were me, the apology wouldn’t be enough. The cop needs more than just a little training. He broke the law and displayed a disturbing ignorance of his duties. He needs to be disciplined.

[@wadestanton]

so he wasn't corrupt, just ignorant, Nice when the US Citizens cover for corrupt cops, like you do.

[@ianbattles7290]

Yeah, until an apology gets ME out of trouble in court, I'm not accepting their apology.

[@cameronjames3499]

@@ianbattles7290 Exactly, it'd be great to have this playbook available in court. I can't comment on an internal investigation but I've found absolutely no wrong doing on my own part. However, I will issue a general empty apology (that doesn't acknowledge guilt), give a token payout (with a comprehensive non-disclosure agreement attached) and promise to do some additional training of a vague nature at an unspecified point in the future. Then once the case is over I'll go defame the other party in the press, and if they try and defend themselves I'll punish them for breaking their NDA.

[@Azriel2k3]

They still need to get rid of SGT who messed up with the illegal trepass and civil rights violations. Don't demote him just fire him. I would still sue them since the city manager (blue shirt) was there the whole time and let it happen.

[@Layjus123]

That seargent needs to be punished for violations of rights under the color of law first, then fired.

[@70sfred1]

A real all American town, yeah right!

[@bevonostro................]

This hollow apology will ring forever in the halls of injustice. Soliciting a witness to falsely issue a trespass, civil rights violations, making a false crime report, bodily threat under cover of law, improper trespass procedures, threat of imprisonment for exercising clearly explained and easily understood civil rights, and pigheadedness... wow, what a lawsuit this will be.

[@robertsilveus3071]

That apology is as hollow as a plastic straw. Hope you still sue them.

[@flateartheffect]

That cop sounds like he has about a 3rd grade Education. The ignorance of the police all over the U.S. is really disturbing. Please Do file suit against them. This Needs to stop!

[@wm8982]

Disturbing ? No... Well maybe to you - After all you have to live in it... From an outside perspective, we all talk about what a COMEDY the u.s. has become... Not even a good COMEDY, like a COMEDY that's in it's last couple of seasons, when all the plotlines (as VAGUE as theywere...) are all played out and the writers are on strike again - Just about to bring out the bike and the tank to see if they can 'Jump the SHARK' one more time... BUT, the bike won't start - The tank is too small and the SHARK is ENORMOUS ! Good luck !

[@MrDabulls23]

As a Texan myself, I’m ashamed and apologize for their ignorance. It pisses me off when people lie to the police in order to get an outcome they desire.

[@domnick7886]

I also hope that ignorant police piss you off. The police sgt lack of knowledge about the law is absolutely disgusting. I'll bet he receives a nice salary above his qualifications.

[@rjay7019]

As am I 😢 I'm actually a county employee. I would hope no one here would act this way.

[@mrmotofy]

If it makes you feel better...I've seen hundreds of vids of TX officers just as dumb and ignorant.

[@jdtexas2048]

Hold them accountable - that’s the ultimate apology

[@Doginthe325]

God Bless Jeff and the homeless vets! Seems City of Carthage has a bunch of liars working in their city office. Jeff doesn't shove his sign in people's faces and doesn't ask for money. Shameful behavior by those city workers.

[@StarterVillian]

Straight up Liars but then again didn't you kind of expect that from city employees 🤷

[@markmclaughlin2690]

Shameful sad pathetic people.

[@tamtheman2099]

sadly they did not need to add their lies, the cop trespassed Jeff, before he listened to their BS stories attempting to justify their actions.

[@USMC6976]

Sue, no quarter given. That Sgt was not willing to give quarter, you shouldn't either. The lies people will tell the cops to get what they want is amazing.

[@seanmuir9594]

Lies, lies, lies. Insincere apology from a man who never apologized for his own actions. Feelings enforcement officer triumphant and feeling soooo good about his big, bad self.

[@TheWreckerguy]

Hey Jeff, good job. Would’ve loved to seen that officer personally apologize to you because cops hate to apologize to hate admit they’re wrong. They would rather pay out in the lawsuit and say I’m sorry, sir or ma’am or people that I am wrong.

[@4catsnow]

Cops like that aren't trained to apologize...HYO would get farther making sure the settlement check will clear the bank...

[@eyespy1415]

Hollow apologies. Both the Police officer and the city should have had a lawsuit slammed on them.

[@FreeUkraine69]

All I heard was that they are sorry for treating him how they regularly treat the poor and homeless , he needs to do a sting with a undercover homeless person as a revisit to see if they were genuine

[@RichardMcGrath]

@@FreeUkraine69 You know the answer to that, he needs to take them to the cleaners in court.

[@valentinius62]

Jeff's been too nice all these years imho.

[@CosmoWenman]

It's very well established at this point that police have absolutely no idea what "private property" or "pulbic property" mean.

[@flakesinyershoe8137]

I hope there's a lawsuit on this one and it's significant. Openly admitting they're purposely violating your rights deserves a punitive fee.

[@John-ke2jm]

Usually their qualified immunity only survives when they play dumb and act like they didn't know.

[@joho0]

I believe the proper legal term is "willful and wanton misconduct"

[@alexlewis5526]

Ignorance in law enforcement is too rampant to simply be a training issue.

[@flakesinyershoe8137]

@joho0 that only applies to private entities as prosecutors won't charge public entities for most things. It's official misconduct on behalf of the employees in the building and a first and fourth amendment violation on behalf of the officer who chilled his speech and detained him for his identity against state law.

[@flakesinyershoe8137]

@alexlewis5526 there was no ignorance displayed. The officer admitted he knew he was violating rights and implored Jeff to sue him. Which is what should happen. Every government employee in the building also lied about Jeff's behavior, which is a felony conspiracy, but it will never be charged.

[@timmc619]

Even though they apologized, they still need a lawsuit on this one. The confidently ignorant are a dangerous bunch.

[@carmp3fan]

They weren't confidently ignorant. They admitted they couldn't do anything and did it anyway.

[@kenbo-2179]

Absolute insanity. Please Jeff, you must sue them. Even with the apology from the city, that cop still willfully and knowingly broke his oath.

[@notozknows]

We womped this city with calls, I enjoyed it. Great work, Jeff! I really mean it.

[@ryanfrye6810]

I called also and spoke with city attorney they said they got hundreds of calls lol 😂 good job ppl letting them know we will not stand for it

[@anthonyberry6769]

I'm absolutely amazed that L.E.O. still think they can trespass off public property 😲 Also saying that you are "arguing" even though you're just talking with officer's, seems their EGO'S are the real problem. Thank You for standing up for We The People Mr.Gray & Happy Holidays to you and your family 🫡👏🎄

[@olbaHB9]

The 4th amendment violation of the officer is without criminal consequences?! Disgraceful that criminals in uniform are treated differently.

[@olbaHB9]

I bet the imbecile had his heart drop to the floor when he came back inside and was told to be careful because Jeff was legal.

[@wadestanton]

Executive privlage

[@michaellnbnj]

To the public servants who work in the Carthage Texas City Hall: "Our rights don't end where your fear begins. Freedom is scary. Deal with it." Credit: John Bryan, Civil Rights Attorney

[@-suphur]

That tired excuse of "the women are nervous/uncomfortable" got old a LONG time ago.

[@patrickcarleton3924]

Training for police = "Don't do that on camera. We can be sued." He didn’t look like he was recording so we'll lie about everything just to get him in trouble. What oathbreaking crybabies they are. Totally ignorant of the oath they swore.

[@lgDukeCity5018]

This has been going on for ten years. This is not lack of knowledge it is purposeful criminality.

[@toddandrews8130]

Jeff, please continue to pursue this through the courts. The City Manager admitted fault for the actions of Carthage. Don't let their apology be the final word. A criminal can't apologize and not receive punishment and that should include these people. Do the right thing and sue them for 1791 while forcing them to apologize.

[@NearlyFullyFree]

Essential to have the cop make a written public apology, specifying all the infringements he did commit against Jeff and confirming any retraining he will be, or has already undertaken on the basic laws and signed by the officer. Failure to do so, loss of job and pension - no compromise

[@peggyh8937]

I'll never understand why people lie about Jeff's behavior, especially after he's gone and they no longer need the cops to do anything. Is their bias making them hallucinate? It's bizarre. Thanks for the update!

[@robynator4168]

If that old man embellishes this story so much about Jeff being aggressive with the sign and begging for money, I can imagine he claims to have caught 300 pound catfish in some stream out there in Texas. So sick of seeing people lie in hopes of having someone else harmed, it's so dangerous and immature. An old geezer like that shouldn't be that immature.

[@cameronjames3499]

I'd also be thoroughly examining his hours worked and expenses claimed.

[@NorthPhoenixActivist]

I'm glad the city manager apologized for the cops unlawful actions. To be criminally tresspassed, an individual must be allowed to leave, which didn't happen.

[@Songbirdofourgeneration]

Lying employees and a sergeant that doesn’t know ID laws. That city manager needs to discipline employees, not just give them a talk. If they violate once without punishment, they’ll do it again. Sue those bastards!! That “apology” is just an attempt to dodge responsibility for the city, just like those employees dodged punishment for their lies and crimes.

[@EnufAlrdy909]

That city manager was standing right there in the lobby the entire time!

[@FreeUkraine69]

They don't give a FF because they will prevent any accountability when they can and are not personally held to any standard anyways

[@rx7driver1]

Officer: ‘I’m sorry you feel that way.’ Respecting a citizens civil rights has NOTHING to do with feelings

[@fatherfirst4668]

An apology isn’t enough at this point. These cops in Texas are still so ID hungry when the law there is clearly established on when you must provide ID. It’s 2024 and these departments should not just now be implementing trainings. Extra training for something they should already know is not holding someone accountable

[@hgradyspruce1975]

amazing how cops violate statute 3802

[@MWestern-m4g]

All these Employees should be ashamed of themselves. What hypocrites.

[@joeking2850]

He is still a liar and violated your rights. These idiots only understand lawsuits

[@elijahmiller912]

??? You mean what tax payers pay for?

[@rlbk525]

I changed my mind about the piece of “work” city manager!! I posted this while watching the video and see that he didn’t think Jeff was liable to be criminally trespassed but he let the employees and the cop proceed violate Jeff’s civil rights anyway!! 😡 ============= It’s cool that the city manager rescinded the trespass and spoke to the city employees and scheduled additional training to the clueless cops and shockingly offered an apology but there needs to be consequences for that little “man” that lied to the cop!! At minimum he and the cop should be suspended and made to apologize to Jeff!!

[@TheBooban]

Body cam only shows after cop went back in. Not who made the decision to trespass. Why didn’t city manager show that part? Why he let little cap talk so much? City manager knew but let it happen anyways.

[@rjay7019]

And the lies about Jeff asking for money. These people 🙄

[@sailguy2010]

Yes!!! Charge that city employee for Giving false information to a police officer.

[@-suphur]

It took me a minute to realize that was the manager in the blue shirt at the end. He knew Jeff was allowed to do what he was doing, but let him get bounced anyway. He was aware of "people that do these things, auditors), but still did the wrong thing anyway. Shameful and now he is panicking in damage control.

[@viclunaanthc3274]

Easy lawsuit. Please hold them accountable.

[@geic99]

sadly that’s not Jeff’s mission

[@BrooklynBalla]

@@geic99 What do you mean?He won two lawsuits for this exact thing

[@-Skookie-]

I love the lines about you blocking the drive-through and coming at people, shoving your sign in their faces. I bet if he asked that guy again 10 minutes later, he’d say that you were chewing off the siding of the building.

[@dennismood7476]

Since the members of this city hall actually participated in an illegal trespass, it makes them ALL violators of Title 18 usc 241 which is conspiracy to deprive rights under the color of law. They ALL need to be named in ANY lawsuit. Incidentally, I wouldn't stop at any "symbolic" payment of $1791 for the level of arrogance and total stupidity of all parties involved in this fiasco. You want to work as a government employee? Fine. KNOW YOUR JOB and its limitations. You want to be a cop? Fine. KNOW YOUR JOP, the law you want to enforce, and the Constitutional amendments that apply to the given situation you are involved. Too lazy to do that ? FINE. Pay up out of your own pocket.

[@NicholasAlt]

Detained under suspicion of what CRIME? Not pre-crime, crime. SUE. The cop is an asshole. It’s a CITIZENS LIBERTY ISSUE.

[@UncomfortableBreaks]

They lie so casually. Terrifying

[@billstewart1653]

We must assume that this City Manager is an educated person, and had to have some experience to be elected (or chosen) for this position. His administrative assistant probably typed up that saccharine apology and sent around for approvals. How is it possible that all of the hands it went through and the proofreading - how could such a blatant ‘there’ for ‘their’ error be published. As a Texan, I’m ashamed for this city for their education as well as their knowledge of the Constitution.

[@frankrivas9405]

Jeff, all I have to say is those people should be made publicly ashamed by their employer for their outright lies to a police officer about you begging for money and "sticking his sign right in everybody's face." I appreciate what you do. Keep up the great work!

[@stephenstansberry7995]

The cop should of been de certified and fired

[@valentinius62]

Yes. Anyone who doesn't know what they're supposed to know to do their job, doesn't want to learn what they need to know, and is a liability to their employer should indeed be fired.

[@MR-si2cd]

Texas cops are dumb and don't understand ID laws even tho is part of their daily work

[@climber950]

TCOLE should investigate

[@j.f.5162]

​@@valentinius62100% Cop was so arrogant and pig headed repeatedly told him to take him to court. Clearly forgot who he works for.

[@worker-wf2em]

2024 and cops still have no clue on ID or trespassing laws. Embarrassing

[@LordHawHaw100]

Worse. 38.02 in Texas is settled caselaw…Turner vs.Driver violation. There is no excuse, no qualified immunity. Fifth circuit has settled case law on this issue. They are flucked if jeff decides to take it all the way.

[@robertgates5164]

@@LordHawHaw100 38.02 was enacted after Brown v. Texas. Turner v. Driver solidified the right to video police.

[@Amexsos]

Did you guys watch to the conclusion? Cop: "Actually he wanted to argue his case...the state has the right to CT him from the property he said." CM: "Well, just talked about being public property, as long as he's not harrassing or bothering people, I don't know if we can do anything. Uh y'know we just have to be careful, he didn't look like he was soliciting..." Cop: "Well he is CT'd from the property" At this point the cop should say, if you cannot do anything about it as it is public property, we cannot legally CT him. Go find the guy and apologize for issuing the CT.

[@tbear356]

I wonder how many years this department has been violating rights?? The letter didn't mention discipline, just training. Doesn't sound like accountability to me.

[@CyberCurtainTwitcher]

Apology not accepted! You still need to file that lawsuit for your usual amount Jeff.

[@Idontanswerquestions.-yf8uh]

Liars claimed he was shoving his sign in their face and asking for money and never once did I hear anything about money... I called City Hall they just let it go to voicemail then they're not answering. They all need to be fired for lying to the police..

[@ianbattles7290]

They need to be sued for slander and defamation. Maybe that will make them think twice about picking up the phone and telling a bunch of lies...

[@deannanace8935]

Yeah that was really bad.

[@Rickmc7]

So many times I’ve heard them say “ go ahead and sue” then they do snd sometimes they get fired and or a pay out. Then they aren’t so happy. Priceless.

[@SoloDolo21488]

I love how they say “You just baiting us” but you fall for it every time!

[@headswillroll89]

The funniest thing is fish won't always take your bait... The police always do.

[@nettakay2116]

When the man said take it to court and Jeff said I really don't want to do that and the guy said "Do what you gotta do"...I wish Jeff would've said he's only saying that because the settlement money wouldn't be coming out of his personal pockets but the taxpayer's pockets and why doesn't he care about that.

[@answer4256]

Exactly! Cops LOVE gambling with other people's money

[@mtw1234]

Screw the letters and apology, sue them and teach them a lesson!

[@rrussell9731]

So wrong, yet so confident and proud.

[@justthecraft]

The manager watched as they violated your rights, knowing full well what was happening. At any moment he could have jumped in and said to stop. The cop needs to learn a lesson in accountability.

[@David-wz8ef]

That officer needs to be fired.

[@1437dk]

There is absolutely no bottom to how stupid these public servants and the officer are. They attack citizens with bogus accusations, they exaggerate the situation and lie outright. When will the day come when these public servants and the officer and how will they be held accountable? Is it about education and that they should have more education. In my perspective, it is about completely ordinary qualities and knowledge of the law that they should have. It is a scandal, the officer's expansiveness and misinterpretation of a law that he should have known from his first day on the job. The obstinate officer's ignorance and misinterpretation is completely unreasonable and his threats of arrest are completely wrong. He has no respect for the citizen's rights. Think how many years he has been on the job, and think how many years he has violated citizens' rights. He should be fired, his is not fit for the job and has not taken the trouble to learn the law that every officer should be able to do when he takes up his job. Try listening to these public servants, maybe the man has a leading position and he talks like an ignorant teenager and a gossip bitch. The little man in the lobby is a liar, he lies and exaggerates. He cannot continue in his job, think what damage his lies can cause to the citizens of the municipality.

[@forceman911]

Appreciate what you do Jeff- Awesome job.. Keep up the good work!

[@shroompicn-shrooman]

The court of public opinion wins the day . God bless you and the homeless vets . 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@thegingergrasshopper3908]

Its not the court of public opinion. Its literally the law.

[@runfayalife]

@@thegingergrasshopper3908 The Supreme Law of the Land!

[@shroompicn-shrooman]

@@thegingergrasshopper3908 the law didn't work for him that day. What did work was the hundreds of phone calls and emails from followers of Jeff. That's the court of public opinion at its finest. That's why they back tracked and dropped the CT . 🤷‍♂️

[@thegingergrasshopper3908]

@@shroompicn-shrooman Calling and pointing out literately basic constitutional law violations because of feelings is not public opinion. Its facts from citizens that can easily spot tyranny from a mile away hoping that informed officers are walking the streets, and the ones that are going to cost the tax payers tens of thousands of dollars in law suits are corrected and disciplined immediately.

[@freds.9407]

They got a lot of calls, I live close by and I called the city hall and police department and they were nasty and defensive. They buckled under pressure.

[@ohrodrigs7970]

There is nothing scarier than an officer that doesn’t have a clue about your basic rights.

[@stevekinlough588]

Great work Jeff. As usual, the cops don't seem to wanna listen