Mos Def, Nate Dogg & Pharoah Monch - Oh No (Official Video)

Mos Def, Nate Dogg & Pharoah Monch - Oh No (Video) (2008)
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[@mwanawaemmar6168]

If you are here in 2024, you are a true hip hop head

[@MrSmash85]

Agreed

[@martacosta9542]

❤

[@dondiablo5583]

Oh no

[@bluemannmakhanya4598]

Absolutely!

[@lowlifehighroad]

it never gets old

[@norrainemhlanga7626]

I’m a 58 year old girl and this music keeps me alive. Miss Nate Dogg. 🎉🎉

[@misterburns103]

🥹💯

[@chukaye6677]

❤❤

[@mkadoza]

Rest In Power Nate.

[@FLAG30]

FOREVER YOUNG 👊🏻🐊🔥🔥

[@Marc_Masters]

🙏🏾

[@huadataotie5619]

Now kids, this is what is called a "true rap song".

[@jimmyfowler5357]

Hip Hop!

[@nicholasbancroft1820]

I know and I'm 9

[@inquest7]

truth speaks

[@Loso561]

Pharoahe Monch snapped on this one , his flow and word play is flawless

[@TheLevelsEdge]

Truth. Now I got to replay The Equinox.

[@jimmyfarrow6486]

No lies detected.

[@telquel7843]

It kills me how low he gets rated by people.

[@sergeleroux6509]

Mi

[@lawrencegray5403]

right, hard to outshine Mos, but he did

[@Hydro.420]

RIP Nate... best hooks in the history of hip hop

[@marvinbienaime2012]

Kappa agreed!!!!!!!

[@DonPers]

Facts

[@fuzzydunlop1753]

Word, ain't nobody dropping hooks like Nate Dogg, nobody.

[@deelee5244]

Cisco exactly ✅💯

[@truce6390]

Cisco Facts! Each song different. You

[@GrizzleMax204]

I swear Pharoah Monch is one of the most underrated writers/rappers of all time. Dude was way ahead of his time.

[@klaussp8008]

Man… This dropped in November 2000. I was 11. The beat, the verses by Mos and Pharaoh captivated me. The hook became unforgettable. I had this burned on CD and loved this song so much as a kid. Jamming to this on the bus On my way To school. Immediate fan of Nate Dogg, Mos Def and Pharoah thanks to this… aired on either vH1 or The Box. I’m 35 now… still here for it in 2024. One of the greatest rap songs ever especially in this era of the early 2000s. RIP Nate Dogg ❤

[@justindavis1460]

When this jam came out my weed smoking days 20 yrs old

[@BLACKSONBEATS]

Who’s still listening in 2021??? This never gets old!!!

[@skills_hd]

favorite old skool

[@MrMaddels]

Im still fucking love this song

[@thomasrichards3760]

Wednesday 21st July 2021 👍💪🏻 Just listened to Blakroc Album ❤️💪🏻

[@balboa-capital]

Hell yeah. I bumped this back in high school in my Honda prelude

[@EternalAwesomeness11]

YESSSSSSIRRR BORN IN 2000 AND IM STILL LISTENING

[@daibm5392]

Oh boy Pharoah Monch's verse deserves all kinds of nominations! A grammy, an Oscar, an Emmy, and even a nobel peace prize lol

[@diohpeah371]

Yeah that boy did snap

[@bigdaddyeddy1252]

True lol

[@Q4tay]

​@@diohpeah371📠 😂

[@Barrazadefecio27]

its just insaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee brooo a masterpiece

[@bennib]

Alien

[@kingnoble6979]

Mos def killed it! Pharaoh enlightened it! Nate finessed it!

[@VictorMimba-uk3rq]

🎉🎉🎉 classic timeless wisdom 🎉🎉❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@kerryalfaro9437]

💎💎💎💎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔊🫶🏽🖤🖤🖤✅️✅️👍🏽💯

[@moons92hds]

Oh nooooo! We will never see this again: 2 MCs killing it. Hook is unreal. Beat is crazy. Good positive vibe... talent

[@streetfrogg]

Erick Sermon from EPMD produced this. I didn't know that

[@moons92hds]

@@streetfrogg actually it's produced by rockwilder...

[@karimmitchell3464]

Rockwilder was co producer

[@ZahoSanFran]

Des frissons

[@ZahoSanFran]

@@streetfroggwow thx

[@alvinmilli4896]

2024 who is still here watching.. Rest in peace Nate dog ❤

[@dennisrodman1019]

The production, the lyrics, the composition of this song is hugely underrrated. It’s definitely a classic for me.

[@Goatchild90]

Don't forget that damn hook. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@cornybeef]

Not underrated amongst those in the knows

[@Goatchild90]

@@cornybeef Yep

[@MrZD85]

The most compleye rap song ever made imo!

[@kanyeeast7784]

@@cornybeef right. Always been a banger

[@sethandrews641]

"Whoever still riding to this is a real one" - Me 2018 2020 ain't it but at least I know that we still some of the realest hip hop fans

[@kem3703]

We’re here

[@thebloopsound4241]

East and West together? Did you really have to ask?

[@leslietaylor6361]

I'm still riding 2020!❤️

[@denisabb]

i'm still......

[@bronzestar87]

Always

[@Mario-Chunks]

I’m in my early forties and this song will always be in my top 10 greatest hip hop songs of all time. ALL TIME!!! Younger folks just don’t understand how HUGE this song was when it graced the airwaves. East coast verbal voracity with West Coast swag and style. This song was and still is an absolute gem. Impeccably well written in every aspect. Pure hip hop alchemy.

[@dawb86]

I JUST realized for the first time some of the west coast heavyweight lyricists of that era made cameo appearances in this video. (Ras Kass, Saafir) This track can almost bring a tear to my eye because at the time it almost seemed like the alternative/underground scene was going to be able to go heads up against the mainstream rap of the day and overtake it in terms of popularity. It didn’t but still, what a time it was to be alive.....

[@Mario-Chunks]

@@dawb86 I feel you 1000 percent. This song here should be considered hip hop royalty. Untouchable. I get a lil emotional too when I soak in the weight of this masterpiece. If I could only go back in time to relive it when it was still fresh and bask in the atmosphere this song created and watch everyone else in the know do the same. 👌

[@emanuellfranklin2571]

Already early century was insane rest in love Nate

[@Chigiwigi]

In my late forties and I agree!

[@billbryson161]

Ohh we know old timer

[@alimack100]

I met Mos Def couple of times in Copenhagen by coincidence....he is really down to earth and a big artist...

[@ZahoSanFran]

Met him in Paris, what a nice human being

[@randyh.7782]

Despite the east vs. west drama that went on back in the day, whenever New York and California collaborate, the result is always beautiful.

[@matt-vv9rj]

most people don’t understand any of it in general it’s crazy. There are so many fucking songs from east coast and west coast rappers/producers/styles. it was an insanely perfect era of music. So dope that there were two basic kinds of hip-hop and both were godly

[@pittsburghpirate58]

Da South got somethin to say

[@matt-vv9rj]

pittsburghpirate58 excellent point pittsburgh! the south style, era always gets swept under the carpet for some resson

[@djbxandsbr451]

@@matt-vv9rj naw bro. I'm an old skool head. From the original South Bronx streets where it all began. I'm talking 1973. Just to put it context. In NYC we have mad love for Southern rap. Just be able to spit. Unfortunately, a lot of it is "Cookie Cutter" music. Meaning, we found a formula that works so let's mass produce it. ORIGINALS in the game get love regardless of where you are from. My 2 cents One 🙏🏿

[@mgf909]

@@matt-vv9rj also that entire generation of people that grew up during that East vs West era grew up on music only from their sides. Lots of older people still finding new music from the 90's they never heard because it was from the other coast. Pretty cool

[@TheSychu]

pharo's verse gives me chills everytime

[@DEVINEJUSTICEALLAH72]

Topazio +5 FACTS!!

[@johnmccoy5269]

Topazio +5 thats weed.

[@sinderella23]

Me too!

[@trapster8783]

He killed it

[@aaronjoshua2857]

So trueeeee

[@derpcapades6878]

We will never have new music like this again. Rest in peace Nate Dogg.

[@tyronekhan848]

Even in 2021 this song is sick.....and not a mumble in sight..... Original hip-hop yet again stands the test of time

[@uncleeazy9401]

Pharoahe Monch killed it on this cut. R.I.P. Nate Dogg.

[@dazzahiphop9395]

I consider Pharoahe Monch's rhymes in this my #1 all time favorite verse! For passion, flow, and all around mic dominance!

[@fairplayterrific147]

ISLAMATRON "Releasing Hypnotical Gases" and "Prisoners Of War" "Queens" "Hitman" Yeah Pharoahe Has A Mass Quantity of Quality Verses....

[@corylackland8377]

Didn't he though? *R.I.P. Nate Dogg* kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2G1p5atoJJlocU kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHbaqKmIjK-dbdU

[@MsLacy707]

"Its No Utopia" kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXLEi4WAbcRsqLM

[@thewarmestgarbage6007]

The beat The hook The lyrics A+ 👌

[@marcusrashford6070]

You mean S

[@weedland5082]

A+ indeed

[@edwsefustrazi3112]

S tier

[@helpoj]

Nate is the one guy they never could find to even fill the space, let alone replace The king of hooks

[@Chiva.G.O.A.T]

Early 2000's I sure miss you...

[@abrahampalmer8761]

It was a very fun lit era

[@ericmoddo1567]

UCSB '04 agreed

[@losfornia]

Man facts

[@joeimanolmelchor]

Mos's verse was dope to I don't know why no one's showing love to Mos the Great

[@blktank083]

Word. STILL remains one of the most Underrated MC's Ever. Crazy.

[@damnson5079]

@@blktank083 he aint underrated

[@BAF-ch4ts]

@@damnson5079 great rapper, also very talented actor. Loved him on Chappelle as well.

[@stevebrooks8875]

Because Monch oblitorated him in that verse. That was 2Pac quality right there!

[@ricardoforbay9830]

Some people think the louder your voice the better!

[@erterrill]

Thumbs up if Mos needs to make a new album!!

[@user-cy4kj9hp9c]

Idk tbh, his last album was mediocre imo.

[@sheacollins7640]

black starr album droppin this yr i think

[@sheacollins7640]

@Chastidee ima guy lmao

[@angelademar1977]

Rip Nate dogg

[@shanettacane7101]

Yes

[@ungalld]

Mos def set it off, Monch murked it! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 rest in power King Nate

[@whatwelearned]

This is just a perfect mix: Def's smooth flow, Monch's mania and Nate's hooks

[@vinceleguesse]

Perfect blend

[@alexhunda7160]

I feel like Monche heard Mos verse and went God mode

[@tjm696able]

🤣😂

[@philipkhatana4227]

😂

[@Yelzabub]

He always flows like that tho. Illest lyricist

[@billvanderveen4868]

Couldn't even wait for the hook to finish to go all the way in!

[@airpegasus5167]

ALEX HUNDA God Mode Activated ‼️

[@SmokeOne89]

Nate Dogg was cold on the hooks.

[@moncelestine]

His VOICE WAS EVERYTHANG💕💕 RIP

[@Leitblum]

The new generation of rappers should come here to learnnnnnn...

[@ivanmendoza2643]

Exactly!!!

[@ZahoSanFran]

We old my G, they don’t understand the issues

[@TradingGzwithG]

They dont have the attention span smh

[@ricnaldoserrant6375]

Nate... a millionaire off features alone! Loved this guy's energy in music

[@megga0]

Died broke.

[@playsie4731]

​@@megga0Died loved and respected.

[@steadyb23]

I miss this kind of Rap....where has the talent gone

[@karigamboa54]

I ask the same question

[@AndrewQuiroz24]

+Jesse Jackson Most of the rappers are still alive. Apparently they weren't talented extensively and ran out of material.

[@clarksteel98]

+Jesse Jackson most them dont want to be in the gay mafia thats running actual rap scene just read this song lyrics first mos def verse ;)

+Jesse Jackson There is still good rap out you just gotta find it nigga.

[@loganleatherman7647]

Most of the good new rap is from underground artists. Don't know exactly when the game flipped from having lots of great lyricists in the mainstream scene to what it is now. The old artists are still making music, it's just not given the same attention as the new shit because it's exactly not that. Record labels are giving preference to the crap artists that make ringtone raps and club bangers because that's what the rest of the dumb millenials like. There are some of us though that still hold it down for the real talent though, you just have to look for it. Go check out A-F-R-O. He's an upcoming artist with an old school style that's about to blow up! Can't wait for his album to drop. Just look up "Code 289."

[@kriacaoverbal]

R.I.P. Nate Dogg!

[@queenonyxbutterfly]

KV Music Beats 💯💙🐶🔥🎶👑RIPARADISE NATE DOGG👑

[@shamrock.records]

nah

[@Bsgrundle]

The most soulful on a hook

[@wesleybrand3639]

Was going to like but couldn't break the symbol

[@allenguerrero7696]

Is je dead

[@kevinfoster5369]

Nate Representing that West Coast !❤🙏❤🙏 R.I.P HOMIE!!!🙏🙏🙏 OH NO!

[@shegelee]

This ranks among the best hooks by Nate Dogg with the deliveries of Mosdef and Pharaoh. This is 2024 and we are still right here.

[@merijnvankeulen2973]

one of the last great hiphop hits, pharoahe killed this.

[@xxundergroundxxxxnationxx9974]

Always the greatest Mos def,Pharoahe monch and nate dogg.

[@deej5608]

WORD

[@ChromeTecNina]

Every single person involved with this song, the producer, both mc's and nate absolutely slaughtered this track

[@amandiopondja9224]

This track never gets old. Still gives me goose bumps.. RIP Nate

[@marksmith1033]

This track has never aged! From the beat to the lyrics to the artists its just class! One of the greatest lines ever too... "The kids better buy my rookie card now cause after this year the price aint coming down"

[@BGivka]

2022,.still love this 🎶 ❤️ Mos Def killed it

[@vinceleguesse]

Namaste

[@82buffnasty]

Pharoah Monch man.....smh...that guy right there is the definition of talent. He did his thing.

[@ellissmith23]

2020 has been a crazy year. Needed to hear some dope music

[@carlware7635]

this was a great era for hip hop. these dudes made a great song that had lyrics and they played in the clubs.

[@jazzyjbutterfly4929]

Niggas sleep on mos def and pharaoh 💯💯💯 two of the BEST lyricists in hip hop from the 90s early 2000s

[@taoufik.Morocco]

Im from Morocco and i have this song in my playlist since 2001 ... this is the real hip hop we growned with 🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦

[@lovelymusicnow4404]

Interesting- Good to know Our culture made it all the way to Morocco 20 plus years ago Dope

[@taoufik.Morocco]

@@lovelymusicnow4404 im a fan of us rap music since 1999 also our new generation put respect to us rap music... Thanks for giving us this art to the indusry

[@lovelymusicnow4404]

@@taoufik.Morocco Do you still live in Morocco? What’s it like there? Here’s a fun fact, I’m African American but I did 3 dna blood test and they all tell me I’m a descendent of the Moorish people who ruled and live in Spain and eventually fled to Morocco 🇲🇦. I think many African Americans are descendants of the moors and just don’t know it. So I wonder if I have blood relatives in morocco too

[@taoufik.Morocco]

@@lovelymusicnow4404 i know that story of moorish people they still have morocca. Flag in america welcome anytime america and Morocco have a good relationship

[@barca29np]

Allah ibarek fik akhi kansma3 had lughniya wa kan3ich f lblad andaloussi, tahiyti mn ishbiliya, Allah yhafdek ❤️❤️👌 akhi

[@hedworm]

2:01 - 2:11 one of the sickest flows i have ever heard.

[@ThouguohT]

1:44 - 2:44

[@thefatalveli1]

P. Monch has definitely one of the greatest flows in hip hop history.... i think Tech N9Ne got his flow from Monch... i'd see Tech & P.Monch on the same track... they were in Sway and Tech - The Anthem ... but that's not enuff

[@vivienlelemurien1106]

I think same Pharaoh one of the best freestyle i ve never heard in rap music

[@siphiwemaseko8883]

There's Fans and the are Heads, this one is for the Heads, because it ain't no ordinary Hip Hop song.

[@phunkeehone]

Amen to that

[@DShawEntertainment]

Yes

[@Leon-ij5be]

Then you get people like me.... ain't no big hip hop fan but this is a serious tune.... one of the best I've heard yet.... up there with bone thugs let's ride!!!

[@jemz62851]

I use to blow my friends mind away how i knew the whole song by heart back in the day...still a classic!

[@dazzahiphop9395]

I consider Pharoahe Monch's rhymes in this my #1 all time favorite verse! For passion, flow, and all around mic dominance!

[@lifesprint5541]

The bars were giving me the chills man 🥶🥶

[@MrDefJay]

Damn, Monch lyrically rode that beat like a horse, flawless!!!

[@uproxx]

Lol, flawless indeed

[@drdashboy1795]

I miss when hip hop music was like this on the radio this it's still one of my favorite songs 💪💯

[@Bonepesci]

When Mos kills it but then Pharaoh buries it and then Nate Dogg’s cremates it

[@isaiahmoseley5503]

"We can play nice and decent or dirty like the 7-1 precinct" Talk that dirty cop ish! Mos Def

[@1dirty7]

This shit never gets old.

[@christianneal7443]

it really doesn't.

[@johnmccoy5269]

1dirty7 you know keep it up good calls

[@aceperee]

1dirty7 i agree

[@bluemannmakhanya4598]

"I earned what they said I wouldn't! Got it the way they said I couldn't!" 💯 BARSSSS! 🔥🔥🔥

[@Deandrickmalik]

RIP NATE DOGG

[@bklynbobby1922]

NATE DOG NEVER NEEDED AUTO TUNES - JUST HIS ORIGINAL VOICE - THE ORIGINAL HOOK GOD DAM WE MISS HIM HE DIED TOO EARLY

[@HowardJ7]

Monch lyrical assasin!

[@DEVINEJUSTICEALLAH72]

Jerry Howard FACTS!!

[@shanettacane7101]

He is no joke on the microphone like Rakim

[@blackworldonline]

@@shanettacane7101 He's better than Rakim.

[@myarkalsaki-kamag7598]

Two way threat!!! Both of em!!! Top 5 most lethal callabo's ever!!!

[@elsteezus]

@@blackworldonline hm, from a technical perspective perhaps but pharaohe has the advantage of having all those great artists that he could learn from that came before him during the golden era, while rakim was one of the first ones to put lyrical rappers on the map like that. Can't compare the two basically Overall body of work and cultural impact he's not touching rakim

[@nomoresunforever3695]

I still can't get over the fact Nate Dogg sings "Moss def"

[@MadKDog]

Watch it every week, the Pharoahe lyrical expertise is phenomenally out this world! Nobody has touched the amazing skill of this guy. Years and years still the best I've heard any rapper has ever spit!

[@bulumkopama282]

Still one of the illest songs in da game... 2020!!!

[@MsLacy707]

"Its No Utopia" kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXLEi4WAbcRsqLM

[@TheGonzaloMagic]

Mos def is so dope!

[@artn2179]

2024!!!!!!! Stand up the Age of Knowing!!!!

[@VonGoldfinger]

Man I’m so glad I lived thru this imperial era of Hip-Hop. Rawness baby! 2024!

[@marcamico5254]

Can't believe two DECADES passed since this jam dropped!!! Still rockin' to this like a reptile in the sun while we bask in greatness.

[@moraadrezkallah3485]

"We can play nice and decent or dirty like the 71 precint!"🔥

[@rosalindlewis3523]

99% and we get 1%. Pick up pennies. Dude said he made 50¢. 2 quarters.

[@diambo4life]

Still gives me goose bumps listening to Monch's verse here and I have heard it 200x.

[@microphonemike4835]

Shoooooooo Pharo That Dude ! RiP 🙏 to a Legend in The Hook 🐐 Nate Dog!

[@scoobygotsnacks]

Mos is fucking dope! "Pour your pride on the rock and make you swallow it all" God Damn!

[@MrAnthonyML]

it's so hard to hear great music and to not think how bad music is today.. This shit has heart, you just don't hear it in today's music....

[@alanraven6803]

+Anthony La Manna Tell that to "Carry On" by Statik Selektah

[@Baggamuss]

+Anthony La Manna My thoughts exactly man, i just can't listen to todays shit, and haven't done for years..

[@junglegym4670]

+Baggamuss Stop talking trash. There is plenty of good stuff out there, its just because as you say, you're not listening. How can you make that comment without listening to new stuff? Ignorant.

[@callmedanab]

+Anthony La Manna Stop listening to the crap on the radio and dig around, We're on the internet. Hell we're on KZbin. Plenty of quality hip hop still being produced. I've been heavily pumping Dres & Jarobi's Evitan album from 2013.

[@giorgit5252]

true

[@eetohi]

Pharoahe monch absolutely killed this track. He is incredibly underrated. Definitely top 15 of all time.

[@Lina_Robertina]

I've always loved the vibe of this video. The colors and style, original and classy 👌✨

[@waltbcouncil4786]

What a great track. Nate Doug's West Coast singing, high caliber East Coast rappers, and a unique production.

[@dynamicsamurai3803]

Probably the best hook I've ever heard from Nate!

[@Bsgrundle]

Dynamic Samurai I'm partial to boss life

[@anthonylugo8756]

Came back in 2024... i aint never heard this shopping. 😅 Real Hip Hop

[@leedza]

I was officially a backpacker in this era.. from some of favourite artist

[@manchesterisblue1023]

nate dogg was in a league of his own

[@mbond0027]

One of the best colabs ever!!! It’s timeless.

[@ferarribrown5752]

Mos def one of the illest. Pharoe killed it. Nate jazzed it up.

[@1.1797]

Mos Def is one of my favorite actors out there

[@MrMarios3000]

Mos Def, Nate Dogg, Pharoah Monch now thats real hip-hop Big ups from Greece

[@user-wo6xr6wl8f]

Oti Na Nai χαρουμενος που επειτα απο τοσα χρονια ενας Ελληνας ακουει τετοιο χιπχοπ...Δεν σταματα

[@rand0me]

The Lyricist Lounge albums were some of the best hip-hop albums.

[@justjd224]

Pharoah laid one of the greatest verses ever. I'll continue to stand on that

[@JohnnyThreshYT]

jesus ...... THIS BEAT !

[@benkellow]

Pharoah Monch has one of the best styles hands down! His verse here, is simply incredible! In conjunction with Mos & Nate, the trio is lethal! Dope track. Period. "Very contagious raps should be trapped in cages Through stages of wackness, Pharoahe's raps are blazin And it amazes - me how you claim thug But go two-ways without Skytel pagers" That flow & delivery is infectious, hence his opening line!

[@CUBIQO12]

If i was millionaire i would have paid for mos def to make music every year he is my legend 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@babsal1]

i can never get tired of this song

[@vinceleguesse]

Hotep

[@BrentLabasan]

This is what the rapper on the street trying to sell you his CD thinks his songs sound like, when he imagines it in his head.

[@Dee_Nice89]

Hallelujah, Pharaoh Monch'll do ya Maintain the same frame of mind, screw ya Pharoaeh Monch went bonkers on this track

[@MASCULINITYCLOTHING]

🔥👑BARS👑🔥 Rest in Power Nate Dogg🕊

[@ladyejustice9320]

Pharoah’s verse was pure 🔥!

[@Itgyrl909]

I remember this use to be on the Source Compilation CD lol... back when The Source was the shit, magazines were our go-to media source, CDs & Tapes were the only way to hear music & actual thought was put into lyrics & videos.

[@szabolcsszigligeti1565]

Nate Dogg KILLS EVERY SONG ! !

[@mithran8840]

Monch easily gotta have a top 10 verse in hip hop. Seriously talent through the roof

[@4StuPac]

If anyone asks me the greatest verse of all time I state Pharaoh's from this tune. As soon as he said 'I'm intellectual, I've passed more esés than motorcade parades through East LA' I fell to my knees

[@23libra79]

This was a real hip-hop track Rip Nate Dogg

[@musicalgorithm5385]

Mike Hardin It's done right

[@Miavever24]

Mike Hardin

[@BlacklightRevelationsII]

One of the hardest songs ever made.

[@bubbleshuey2469]

R.I.P Big D’Tanyum aka He. Great Writer, Lyricist and Singer ❤. I love you Always and Forever 💕. Floss Mode For Life! A Real One. Salute!

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Monch’s verse will go down as one of the greatest verses in rap history!

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RIP Nate. I miss ya. His hooks still bang.