Talib Kweli & Yasiin Bey On Black Star, Chappelle, Madlib, Virgil, & Critics | People's Party Full

[@uproxx]

TIME STAMPS: 2:35 -- The show begins with Talib sharing how much Yasiin has taught him about valuing his worth as an artist and Yasiin is asked how he was able to learn those principles at such an early age. They also discuss Dave Chappelle's words about the potential of art as a powerful commodity, the defining line of art and entertainment, how entertainment and art age differently, the pitfalls of chasing mass appeal, and how real artists want their work to stand the test of time. 7:42 -- Talib brings up Dave Chappelle and they discuss his journey up to 'The Closer.' They talk about how inspirational it's been to witness the recognition that their friend has been receiving when he was never chasing it and how great of an example that sets for others. They also get into Black Star's 'No Fear Of Time' as they explore integrating the sounds of the cosmos throughout the project as well as their decision of how and when it was released and the wise man that said, 'things of quality have no fear of time.' 13:46 -- The origins of how Black Star got its name is discussed. They go on to talk about how important the idea of bringing in the sounds of space was when they were conceptualizing 'No Fear Of Time' and the pushback Yasiin had to give the engineer when he told them that technically there were no sounds in outer space. They discuss the dynamic of how different vibrations can create various states of being as well as Madlib's, 'Sound Ancestors' and the creative videos paired with that project. 18:27 -- Yasiin gives his take on the common expectations of celebrities and how they should behave. They discuss the strange phenomenon that fame can be, as well as Yasiin and Talib staying true to themselves and how that's been a component of their success. Yasiin also gets into his being comfortable with a certain level of public engagement, others who may draw energy from large crowds and Talib talks about his moving away from the rise and grind hustle of times past. 23:05 -- Yasiin's love for fashion is discussed as well as his friendship with Virgil Abloh. They talk about Virgil being a long-time fan of the Black Star movement and his vintage notebook, sporting the group's sticker that he carried around at age 19. Yasiin speaks on witnessing his growth as an artist, the privilege he had of working with Virgil before his untimely passing, and how much he misses him. Yasiin also gets into his own affinity for fashion and the necessity of staying fresh coming up in Brooklyn. 26:17 -- Yasiin and Talib take the opportunity to respond to backlash from some of the so-called fans of Black Star over how they chose to release their most recent album 'No Fear Of Time.' They discuss people's feelings of entitlement over their having free access to music over so many years and fans confusing their art as entertainment. They also get into the offers that were turned down before they eventually landed on a deal with Luminary that also gives listeners full access to their 'Midnight Miracle' series collaboration with Dave Chappelle. 34:53 -- Talib and Yasiin discuss their expecting the true Black Star fans to respect and trust in how they choose to operate as artists and their decision to use Luminary as their platform. They get into the informative journey in terms of people's attitudes that have revealed what they ultimately value and who really rides with Black Star. Yasiin also makes a comparison of the situation to other conceived notions of the past and still wanting their art to reach as many people as possible, but not at any cost. 40:10 -- Yasiin and Talib get into how much they have enjoyed working with the crew at Luminary and appreciating their vision. They also talk about the hypocrisy of so-called fans posting comments about bootlegging their music as many of the same people will complain about how corporations and the government exploit people. They also discuss artists being complicit in the evils of the industry when they fail to take a stand and applauding the efforts of the brave souls that did over generations past. 47:10 -- Yasiin gives a shout out to all the big dreamers and never-quitters of the world. he also has some words for all the haters as well as critics who often seem to miss the point through preconceived expectations when reviewing projects like 'No Fear Of Time.' They discuss how dangerous conforming to any set standard can be, the blatant dishonesty of some album reviews these days, and how it comes down to a critic's authority to comment. In closing Yasiin is asked about his future as an artist who has announced retiring from the industry.

[@IGjamesdaarteast]

Thankyou VERY VERY much for the time stamps

[@saulgoodman7223]

Please ... the album is no longer on luminary ...what happened ??? Please help

[@j_ocrates23]

Things of quality have no fear of time. That’s a jewel. Shout out to Yasiin & Talib

[@trevorlazard7124]

Yeah man! So many was said in this interview… but that one was deep!

[@lesliejackson2509]

Exactly! I loved that thought ❤️

[@Ungruma]

I honestly love listening to Yasiin. His art, humility and knowledge have always made him a source of inspiration for me. I'm really looking forward to new projects coming out of it (like another joint album with Madlib, or saved albums like Mannie Fresh's), "No Fear of Time" is a beautiful event, for me. Thanks for bringing it back and peace to People's Party. Greetings from Argentina. Black Star keep shining!

[@uproxx]

love love this comment!

[@Whylife100]

Mos Yasiin bey was that true artist artist in hip-hop before Lupe. Similar type of dude. You have Common black thought monch etc but none can express themselves on a track acting etc the visuals the art in the videos like Mos

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

@@Whylife100 common can't as good as Mos Def?. Are you a troll?.

[@luisballengranadino3977]

@@Whylife100 yasiin has two incredible albums i love to death the urbanthermodynamics album from the mid 90s and black on both sides but common and black thought and also pharoah monch are just as good as him if not even better as much i´m down with and respect that entire family of artists whom often work together

[@moerahman6749]

This conversation reminded me why I became a Black Star fan over 20 years ago. Very inspiring and thought-provoking. Thank you.

[@uproxx]

love this -- thanks for the listen!

[@jax9302]

Brother Yasiin. The Mighty Most Def the world's finest, realest, mos relevant, mos valuable MC ever .PERIOD. Your work is such a blessing. G-d Bless you and thank you brother.Amein

[@trinigladiator8830]

One of the many things I took from this conversation was..."There's more to come." Thank you for saying that, Yasiin! Sincerely, Hip-Hop

[@uproxx]

salute and gratitude!

[@jadejagger2170]

@@uproxx Why is No Fear of Time no longer on Luminary?

[@shadowman2276]

Talib Kweli's transition from rapper into entertainment journalism has been so smooth, he's so effortlessly good at it, you would think he's been doing it his entire life.

[@D4nielP]

As like as you don’t follow him on Instagram he’s great 😂

[@cheers9430]

hiphop was always commentary & rhetorical

[@iam_Klaus]

​@NANA_nineteen!!! Peace from Sydney Australia

[@ChessMandingo]

I purchased a 1 yr subscription only for the new album. As a long time supporter and fan, I would like to OWN this music that I Essentially purchased and transfer it to my music catalog

[@JJJackson777]

bootleg it then if you want to own it, you already paid for it

[@davidgreen9579]

I think that's the point, lol. They care nothing about the convenience and comfort of helping you pay music companies for their music files. It's a point of principle.

[@degamispoudegamis]

you don't own it lol, you only own it temporarily. when ur subscription ends you can't listen to it

[@ChristoCurrents]

​@degamispoudegamis you can capture any audio that's played on your computer, so... it's a matter of choice.

[@dfwherbie8814]

@@davidgreen9579but they don’t understand that the album, business-wise, is a marketing tool used to push other product revenue ancillary to the album. A new album is like a mini startup. Or a New IP. That’s how you have to think about it. They’re older, so they don’t understand this.

[@Dr.JudeAEMasonMD]

This needs more views. The world needs more Bey.

[@Utpjuugs]

2 of the GOATS !! And two of the greatest Hip Hop M.C.S of All time!!!!

[@burningspliffs]

These days I find Mach-Hommy & Tha God Fahim reminding me of Black Star heavy... Would be a gem to see/hear them come together one of these years.

[@lstoryrecords_]

one thing I like about Mos is his vocabulary...he's thoughtful and varied in the words he uses

[@khemestre]

I agree. it's always refreshing to listen to someone with great articulation. 🐱

[@ChantouChambs]

I LOVE Yasiin and Talib. I can listen to them talk everyday. ❤️😌

[@origamibulldoser1618]

Respiration is a true musical gem. I started levitating when I heard it live. I just wanted to say that.

[@terrie_ck]

Listening to Yasiin Bey reminds me of one of his lines on Respiration: "This ain't no time where the usual is suitable"

[@arethabrown5]

It is good to see ya’ll together. We need this . . . Most Definitely!

[@ellenkgeary5041]

When Yasiin speaks like this he’s the voice of so many of us. Everything he says resonates with those of us I the holistic, medical arts. The consumer mindset that expects services without reciprocity and the comparable model of record labels and insurance companies….it all resonates

[@brendagreene7587]

I really appreciate this substantive and reflective conversation on the importance of valuing your art. Kudos to you for keeping the circle of money moving through those who respect your worth. We too often forget the time and creative energy that goes into producing art. Dr. G

[@djadekablam6595]

“Framing us [Black men 1967-1994 period in the U.S. Hip Hop artists] as entertainers to begin with […]” and questioning that. ❤ quote from Yesiin Bey part way through show.

[@kimberlydaly9566]

I just wanted to say it was an absolute pleasure seeing these two perform in Denver this summer. Pure magic

[@uproxx]

They vibe well together!

[@GrimeDiesel]

Luminary is a bargain for what you get. Free art is great but when an artist recognizes that their worth more than peoples attention span that's when it become a real. Great convo

[@omegahtv6779]

These 2 are perfect together. They mesh so well. This interview don’t feel fake, or forced. They’re both so intelligent, and intelligent speaking. It’s to me like watching a hip hop version of an Eddie Murphy/ Arsenio Hall interview. (Minus the comedy) 2 celebrity friends that just came together to talk. This interview is/was so necessary. Peace to Black Star.

[@calchuchesta619]

If/when y’all release No Fear of Time on vinyl, Virgil’s notebook could be an alternate album cover. Just a thought!

[@mastamere]

I LOVEEEEEE when y'all have YASIIN on here. Will be seeing him at Sony Hall next month with Robert G!

[@corywhittington4324]

Pray we get another yasiin bey album. 🙏🏽 It's at the very top of my album wish list, followed by a collab album of him lupe black thought and kweli

[@terrie_ck]

I crown you the King of all real Hip Hop fans!!!

[@nathanmcollins]

There was a lot of talk about the disposable nature of streaming and people wanting things for free but what about the fans that would gladly pay whatever to have the album on vinyl? Put it up in the bookstore or wherever, but it would be great to have a physical copy. I’m happy to rock with you guys wherever and however you want to do it, just shouting it out.

[@viva_la_mort]

Right!? Just gimme something I can buy without extra baggage!

[@craigdavis5407]

Two of the greatest emcees my friend.

[@Ruhul612]

I would love if Yasiin was a reoccurring guest every once in a while. I love hearing from him but I feel like it’s a rare occurrence outside of midnight miracle.

[@zay_thegentleman288]

Official 💯❤️

[@amoswellington480]

The Midnight Miracle: Chappelle, Kwali, Bey

[@kboogienyc]

Only Talib and Dave can get him to talk

[@destinymckay871]

Absolutely

[@jabbad2992]

Yessir I agree 💯 percent. One of my favorite artists.

[@Kstyles00]

Miles Davis talked about how important space/ silence was important to creating early in his career. He taught all of the musicians that came under him this concept.

[@dzion]

Great conversation. I could listen to Yasiin Bey talk about art and hiphop for hours. 💯

[@uproxx]

s a m e !!!

[@allanjoyner7424]

Bootleggers are thieves...we got to respect our brothers and sisters works...

[@allanjoyner7424]

Good point Jasmine...U are appreciated also...sometimes your words are overlooked... Thanks

[@yomommanigga2501]

I had the pleasure to see Black Star at Rock The Bells and they put on one hell of show.

[@steve_santiago]

I am not one for signing up for too many apps but I am subscribing to Luminary to support these brothers. They and their music have done so much for me. It’s the least I can do

[@uproxx]

Great energy right there!

[@Ignorin_Rad]

"the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing"--"everything is not for sale!" Black Star's music changed a lot of lives; love seeing ya'll build like this. Keep going against the grain. sirs! Be easy.

[@B-Nice]

The album is dope!! Already had Luminary so it was beyond easy to listen to! Bravo to these gentleman for continuing to share their art. Their individual albums leading up to No Fear of Time are like a double helix staircase leading to the infinite!! Shout out to People's Party for these great conversations.

[@uproxx]

Love hearing that!

[@armondrespress2070]

Top two favorite groups of all time Outcast and Black Star integrity in tack this post ain't about competition just spiritual hip hop music 🎵🎶 great interview 👑✨

[@GeecheeGhost]

“No Fear of Time.” Hits way different! Gotta live with this for awhile! Solid project! Idgaf where y’all put it imma copp it!

[@brotherlogicrmf2199]

I wish Black Star had four members instead of two. Mos Def Talib kweli Common And Pharaoh Monch. I think this would have been the perfect hip hop group of all time. Perfect example Pharaoh Monch featuring Common, Talib kweli on the song The truth. Now imagine Most Def was all on that same track together. Musical masterpiece.

[@misunderstoodkj]

Agree

[@superdopehiphop]

Agreed, but at that point might as well make it a 5 man group with Black Thought too.

[@MightyD18]

BLACK STAR.......The Crew you can Trust!!!!🙌🏽

[@royhardy5566]

Yasiin and Talib, I'm a big fan. I hope and look forward to many compilations in the future. Peace.

[@Andrew-Antioch-Kim]

Mos is very introspective and hopefully, we'll be able to receive a solo album from him soon in the foreseeable future

[@candlercando]

Dang. Tell us you don't like Talib without telling us.

[@Andrew-Antioch-Kim]

@@candlercando : I like both, but Talib releases music much more often than Mos

[@uproxx]

He speaks to that!

[@Andrew-Antioch-Kim]

@@DeeRG Mos Def a.k.a Yasiin Bey a.k.a Black Dante

[@Andrew-Antioch-Kim]

@@DeeRG I know that

[@Steviesstoriess]

So gratifying to hear and see my brothers doing so well in there craft and giving that knowledge to there people..... We are very intelligent brothers and sisters and we need to speak it and show it more . Blessings

[@jeremypruneau7014]

Got my Luminary subscription as soon as The Midnight Miracle came out. Fear of Time was a HUGE bonus that I wasn't expecting. Plus, People's Party!!! Bless yall.

[@qhayiyabeza5054]

Black Star keep shining !!!

[@redrum21225]

Only two albums and one of the greatest hiphop groups of all time. Thanks for the years of high vibrational music on all of the group and solo albums.

[@LeeBoros]

No Fear of Time was acquired through the high seas. Amazing album btw.

[@desmondmallette5982]

Honestly I am a fan and appreciate this interview this is heart felt finding out that we feel the same way in life about things talked about with my family around the dinner table

[@leonlightfoot3508]

I love the concept that silence is a part of sound. Silence in music is kind of like the spaces in writing. Yasiin is a deep brother.💯

[@gamble510]

In fact... silence is the most accurate form of communication, the confines of its expression notwithstanding.

[@uproxx]

Yeah, it's like negative space in art, right?

[@AnthonyMorales71]

We need Yasiin, Chuck D and KRS in a joint together. 🔥🔥🔥

[@ChristopherFreeman0032]

The parts on player agency and fashion and self actualization hit on topics I have been thinking about a lot recently. Also Entertainment addiction. Great episode.

[@GPagez]

The Mos insightful, reassuring, and for me, informative interview I've EVER listened to! Thank YAH for these talented cats, who been trailblazers since day 1 👑☝🏾🪜🙌🏾🪐

[@cer_one357]

Yo best duo in Hip Hop I saw y'all in Denver it was a blessing 🙌🏽 GREAT interview

[@TK.kirkland]

"I told Talib and Yasiin they should be a group I knew they would make a classic for years to come "

[@ronb7608]

😂

[@johnrandall608]

T to the MotherF$/-&@ K is the Oracle of comedy and hiphop

[@Whylife100]

Are you the real tk cuz you be in the comments on a lot of stuff I watch on here just hard to believe you watching KZbin everyday just like regular ppl

[@davidcarney4602]

I really hope Black Star keeps putting out more music I love the both of ya'll for your intelligence and what you both bring to the table in these interviews and the musical content that gets curated through you guys as a group the songs with Jean Grae Common Ghostface we're so fire 🔥🔥most of all as a duo Your albums are breath of fresh air and definitely some of the best albums throughout the history of Hip Hop please please please keep knocking it out of the park with the music and albums what an incredible contribution your art is thank you and God Bless 🙏

[@georgeshiroda1173]

anytime I can hear Yasiin speak is refreshing in these media climates I always expect to learn something from his perspective

[@seventrain4711]

I’m thankful for your wisdom thru your lyrics is many of both of y’all’s iconic songs….. RESPIRATION💯💯💯🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@robertjohnson7614]

Blackstar keep shining!

[@shont510]

After this interview, I went ahead and joined Luminary. I look forward to hearing the album and all the other content on the platform.

[@reinadelavida7]

This is great. We hear you loud and clear. I cant help but continuously see in entertainment and art like a quote from #Ye, “and a white man gets paid off of all of that!” I have worked in the ent industry and i see it everyday all day. You both are setting an example to flip the conventional system to do whats best for you. Two intelligent, positive, talented black men. #BlackStar keep shining 💥⚡️🔥⚡️💥

[@johnzuh]

Quality over Quantity 👌🏾

[@johnwebb2442]

Truth.

[@NostGold]

I'm just trying to get by like Talib Kweli

[@jjeter1]

Jewels was being spilled all the way through!💎

[@alijamurati3486]

Appreciate this interview highly! More than willing to support you guys and purchase a Luminary-subscription, but it seems to be impossible in certain parts of the world. Peace and love from Vienna, Austria!

[@bxcellent_87]

I just gotta thank both these gentlemen for showing me real hip hop before the machine totally killed it ❤️💯

[@Kingkulz]

A Black Star movie would be sick! I am here in Cape Town seeing an incredible story about the similarities between the black experience in America and urban Afrika. A story best told through rap instead of preachy McPreachy. Like taking Hidden Colours to another level. I can get the hook up, I think

[@thecunninlynguist]

Hell yeah. Black star!

[@AcidRant1]

Yasiins perspective is so inspiring

[@UberwolfGaming]

I think the concept is simple from an artist stand point. The same way painters put their art in museums and we pay to go to see it , Black Star is saying that their art is worth investing in , so visit their museum

[@allanjoyner7424]

Two smart brothers...peace and blessings to you all...

[@DJ_Shenanigan00]

Happy birthday Talib, the talented mr trotter and me!

[@metafizzakool1]

My name is #jeminithegiftedone aka #bigcity and I hav the utmost respect for u guys talent, integrity n artistry. The original #brooklynkid

[@X5AVAGECABBAG3X]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TALIB!!!!! THANK YOU FOR BEING DOPE!!

[@the.old.kanye.]

I love both of you guys. I really think it was the idea of getting yet another subscription service that people weren't in favor of. I respect your decisions and subscribed to hear the album. Trying to convince other people to check out the album, it was because they used to only subscribe to netflix, and now they have that, hulu, disney+, hbo, spotify, espn, amazon prime, and they didn't want yet another subscription service. Not to mention inflation as of late

[@chandrastar5939]

When you buy an album. You buy it. Done. That's mine till I die. These guys are saying nah. Pay for it forever. Who wants that? It's a terrible idea.

[@madmax.maxwell]

Peace and Love from Germany

[@davidgreen9579]

I appreciated Kweli's comments about the speed of music reviews and the lack of care with the composition of the albums. I find it vexing because reviews no longer really tell me about what the album is doing. What are the nuances that I should look out for as a fan. Too often, I feel the commentary on album reviews are often more about criticisms based on internal preferences than a reflection of what the work does or does not do for a listener. Can we find reviews that slow it down and can help me understand my experience with a piece of art 🎨. Big ups to Black Star for innovating and creating something unique. 👏🏾

[@frankbrenner4852]

Protect Yasin at all costs. Dude is the real of real. Love this cat. Amen brother.

[@zeekhester4524]

Thank You, Thank You, Thank you Kwe for answering my requests. Man, Y’all are an inspiration! Massive fan and supporter

[@uproxx]

love this energy!

[@plus_sign]

that new Black Star album is special 🔥

[@thecunninlynguist]

Makes some excellent points about support.

[@kboogienyc]

Dear Blackstarr...you're going to be fawn on....G O A TS!!! #missmewiththeBS #taketheflowersAnnamae #LOVE #THANKYOU #THECULTURE

[@alpaykasal2902]

EXCELLENT conversation... Thank you for this.

[@jblank1862]

Abstract jazz always knew.. Sun Ra first introduced me to the concept of the cosmos. Space is the place. *1974 -The Space Aged Prophet

[@tomjonathon6889]

Is that turquoise and lapis rings Yaasin? Nice. Shout out "You've Got Mail" one of Dave's first movies, hahaha.

[@battle_rapculture9955]

I have had a crush on yasiin since "the cosby mysteries"❤.

[@jadejagger2170]

Why is No Fear of Time no longer available on Luminary? That’s the only reason I subscribed to Luminary.

[@olivergutierrez4055]

I need and want that hat that kweli has on. Super dope. let’s go Kweli and Bey and LFGM!

[@iiicuuubreathingfullyoohoohooh]

Happily like 100. Thank You for keeping it one hundred once again and adding some amendments to the constitution your are building as human beings in a country called Earth. Sounds of the cosmos, I am definitely listening forward to discern them beyond what I can hear, this time.

[@luisballengranadino3977]

Mos def is not just a rapper or even a legendary rapper he is an iconic MC, BLACK ON BOTH SIDES is easily one of the greatest underground solo debuts of all times, this man is like a mix of Rakim's incredible pen and Q tip's smooth flow

[@luisballengranadino3977]

talib i dont know if you would agree or not with what i´m about to Say Both to me yasiin bey or mos, represents what G.U.R.U was when he alive or maybe common in the midwest or black thought in philly or andre 3000 and now j cole in the south or maybe Aceyalone in L.A and del the funky homosapien in the bay would you agree with this or not

[@anthonywashington32]

Truly bless for all the wisdom ❤

[@netwerk.85up40]

I think they should just simplify the fact that they are trying to build there own platform and they want the fans help. I love there music. I've bought albums for years and the fact that the money went to universal or whoever is not my fault. its there's as the artist. I take no ownership over there art based on my patronage however I do wish there was a bit more appreciation and accountability on there own moves using companies to market there past work. As a fan that loves there music. I'm waiting for them to spend a few thousand on pressing vinyl independently so I can pay whatever they want for me to buy it. Peace n blessings.

[@MrRosanusi]

“They want the fans help”. When you go to the Apple Store, are you buying their products to help them? Why should that be different with creatives? If you spent money buying their art in the past, it’s because they created something dope and you wanted a part in it, not because you wanted to help. It’s a condescending thought to think a creator shouldn’t be able to decide what their art is worth and where they should sell it. If you really want it, you’ll get it no matter where it’s at.

[@netwerk.85up40]

@@MrRosanusi guess I don't want it. Lol

[@netwerk.85up40]

@@MrRosanusi and I wasn't saying they need my help to buy there music. I'm referring to what I see them doing with "luminary" vs all the other streaming platforms. Help building that up. I see what mos was saying with the subscription sort of like going to see them live if I wanna hear there music I'll pay for it repeatedly but that logic doesn't personally work for me so I'm not gonna do it.

[@MCtok11]

Fear Not of Man is the best album intro of all time...

[@lozay1of1]

“The way that we treat each other as people has more positive potential”

[@rashaadthomas4559]

"Music is the space between the notes." - Miles Davis

[@RaiRaiBrown]

What a gift this was today, I would like to hear the album, luminary is a new way of listening to music I'm not familiar with I've never used the service before. If it's the only way to heart this album I will have to figure it out. My love and appreciation for Black Star's timeless work, and both artists individually, is beyond words.

[@wvccradio208]

I swear I needed this after watching that super short Drink Champs episode. Thank you so much. This is exactly what I was looking for.

[@uproxx]

You're so welcome!

[@Abigail-ns2fk]

I've always enjoyed searching for quality music

[@craigdavis5407]

Black Star!!!!

[@silverbeautifullight]

For Black star alone, we definitely owe you all, still!! Not just in monetary exchange, but in literal energy. Anyone hearing the album has been changed. We literally owe you all being better, more observant, more enlightened human beings in the world. Not to mention everything else you guys have given us. Even the route you're taking with this new album is a gift, and the conversation around it is something we should hear and take heed to.

[@silverbeautifullight]

@azz blaster wow, you are something special. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@worksofxtv9158]

The drink champs interview we never got. Glad the record got set straight. No Fear Of Time got me to a better place.

[@GuitarExpert96]

I would be willing to support black star if they put this out as a vinyl record that they sell on their site. That way you support the artist directly and you can listen on a format that forces you to actively listen. But at the very least put out a cd since I know vinyl pressing can get expensive.

[@frankoee6755]

2 of some of the greatest ‘bar for bar’.

[@carlosgil4196]

I cop that first Black Star album and Kweli as well as Def ✊🏽