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[@cornishhh]

Keeping your present car is far more green than buying new.

[@hazelwood55]

Exactly. It takes a huge amount of energy and resources to make a new car, gas car or ev.

[@cherryjuice9946]

Agreed, and that's why I found the VW Diesel nonsense to be mildly funny. Many cars that had a decent life ahead of them, were scrapped because they were making more pollution than allowed. They were replaced with new cars, which make a lot of pollution (and CO2) to manufacture. Those in charge of this decision likely didn't do an in depth impact study. Same with the "cash for clunkers" program. Many perfectly good cars were destroyed, and replaced with car models that got modestly better gas mileage. It's great to get better efficiency, but if the total energy used and CO2 produced exceeds the savings, it's a bone headed decision.

[@BlueBD]

It's the first of the 3 R's Reduce, Reuse, Recycle It's more green to Use a single vehicle and not getting rid of it until it cost more to use it then getting rid of it then it is keep swapping out cars Every year. Reduce the need to buy every new car model. Reuse it until it's not worth it anymore. Recycle it to someone else who can afford to fix it who will then pass it to someone who can reuse it. Reducing the need for a new vehicle overall. The biggest driver to CC the evo's constantly cry is Over production and planned obsolescence Their push for EV's ironically just like Nearly all of their Eco efforts drive More destruction then it solves

[@BlueBD]

​@@cherryjuice9946the cannot think past themselves. Ironically Basic laws of physics Are a mystery to them Everything has a drawback. Just because your Moving the drawback further up the chain doesn't make it more efficient.

[@marcodarko6941]

Indeed it is.

[@Bobo-ox7fj]

Nothing unintended about it. They don't want you to be able to drive.

[@oldbloke204]

Rubbish.

[@Alabaster335]

💯

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

@@oldbloke204 Oh yeah the government only has our best interests in mind right?

[@HEXTZR]

@@oldbloke204 ignorant

[@oldbloke204]

@@G-Mastah-Fash Likely not so much but they have to get elected so.... Just another thing like 15 min cities and all the other paranoid rubbish. In real terms an EV and home charging would be more secure than having to get fuel. If they want to stop us driving they could just tax the max out of fuel couldn't they? If what you say is true why are they putting in remote chargers? And no I'm not a fan of EVs.

[@jandoerlidoe3412]

destroying the car industry with EV mandates....

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

Destroying the whole economy, one part at a time . . .

[@davidkendall589]

destroying the environment too 🤣

[@psalm2forliberty577]

The cowardly higher-ups at those car manufacturers are digging their own 🪦 grave. Talk about the "blind leading the blind" - both fall into the Ditch !

[@Freedomquest08]

It's Cash for Clunkers phase II. Biden doing what Biden does best. The other one, the father of the jabs guy was who normalized this mandate nonsense. Nothing like being stuck between two WEF crime syndicate bosses.

[@g.g.dunnitt9181]

@@davidkendall589 Meanwhile China and India are continiung to build new coal-fired power stations because, they say, it helps in the development of their countries. Meanwhile the whole of the West are screwing their own countries, people and economies into the ground in pursuit of the never-to-be-reached nirvana of net zero.

[@thebigw3377]

It’s not just EV’s - I don’t want a new vehicle that beeps at me for the slightest thing that I don’t even care about - give me old school any day!!

[@barrysmith4863]

Just saw CA wants new vehicles to have a chime/beep that will go off when you exceed the speed limit....much like the seatbelt "reminder"......yeah - that'll work !

[@DeadManWalking2]

My Car doesn’t need an internet connection. I will keep my 2012 and maintain it.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

It's also gas boilers. Electric heat pumps are expensive, very bulky, noisy, expensive to run and very poor at heating. But they're going to try to force them on us anyway.

[@FishyFelix]

My friend test drove a new Hyundai Sonata and he was telling me that the car kept asking him if he was tired. I told him that the car has a camera that watches your eyes when you're driving. He didn't buy it, lol.

[@johnchandler1687]

I'd love to be able to buy a brand new 1969 VW Beetle and 1966 Chevy pickup truck. Not only no computers, but it's EMP proof with no transistors anywhere. One EMP pulse and every vehicle built since electronic ignition went in in the 1970s will be a boat anchor.

[@jamesford2040]

The Government leaders are out of touch Let's vote these clowns OUT ... NOW

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

Haven't you noticed that in almost every country both sides are the same on issues like this?? Sunak and Starmer say all the same stuff, just like the WEF tells them.

[@edwardcarberry1095]

The Pollyticians are OWNED THUS CONTROLLED.

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

@@jodargoofmaztica5071 Thumbs up... glad to see you are awake to the WEF hydra head of the NovusOrdoSeclorum agenda.

[@caleroby9483]

MOST... Of the wonderful Western governments are in fact. Un elected burocrats.

[@marcodarko6941]

Vote... yeah, its worked out so well these last few years hasn't it.

[@BillyBanter100]

The Havana effect is happening here in Britain. There's little love for EVs here.

[@Evilslayer73]

Same pattern in Québec

[@MartinHouston42]

Everyone who sees an EV being driven should give the hapless driver your best scowl or other disapproving look. Maybe eventually they will get the message and scrap it.

[@reekinronald6776]

Actual the cause of this new Havana effect will have more to do with what happened in Cuba than hatred for EVs. I'm hanging on to my ICE as long as there are parts, because I won't be able to afford a new car whether ICE or EV. Our governments are going to be not much different than the Cuban government of the '60s/

[@melissasmess2773]

@@MartinHouston42 I point and laugh at them😂

[@MartinHouston42]

@@melissasmess2773 Yes that will work if enough people do it :)

[@user-nm1mk3lr1c]

Count me in here too. I do not want any EV, nor an overpriced, unreliable and stuffed with mandatory nanny-"assistants" car at all.

[@BlackWolf18C]

The newer Mercedes Sprinter vans won't even let you drive through tall grass because of collision avoidance sensors that can apply the brakes and disable the throttle. It's incredibly annoying.

[@12235117657598502586]

@@BlackWolf18C 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😳

[@Anomize23]

Dont forget the nanny controls that California is implementing on cars for speeding over the limit. Just like the no seatbelt warning, theres one coming for speeding as well. 🙈

[@boristabacsplatt6609]

Yes, and all that connected electronic tech makes newer cars far more unreliable. I'll be sticking to my 2010 car for the foreseeable future - synthetic fuels are the way forward.

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

Well you know what they say about back-seat drivers. "If you do not like how I drive, then you drive the car". Until all those "assists" can fully drive the car, I think we have the right to ask questions and be skeptical. I have heard of trash trucks that suddenly hit the brakes, because they see a trash cart in the middle of the road, except that it is not, the road is just twisty. Until they design it better, we need to be able to override that garbage. Airplane pilots are still trusted more than the computers. I actually love the idea of fully autonomous self-driving technology, as I am tired of driving. But it is not quite to that level yet.

[@xr6lad]

Imagine being so insecure about your choice of vehicle that you need to force others via mandates and taxes to adopt them. How sad those people are.

[@mikepickford1]

If only that were the reason - they want EVs for control and because unlike your awesome XR6 ute, they have very limited (and boring) lifespans. It is easier to take a non-functioning EV off people than take something like your XR6 off you.

[@MartinHouston42]

Not sad just pure CRIMINAL

[@xr6lad]

@@mikepickford1👍

[@vilemerchant]

nothing makes an EVangelist madder than the idea that not everyone should be forced to suffer an EV just because they do

[@my3dviews]

You could replace the word "vehicle" in that sentence with another "v" word that would get my comment deleted.

[@Jay_Speed]

I will not buy an ev, never !

[@ghunt9146]

30 yrs ago, the roads had a far more interesting mix of vehicles than the present day.

[@shaneamundson1192]

Including diverse colors.

[@chesterstevens8870]

To quote Marv in _Sin City,_ "modern cars, they all look like electric shavers..."

[@AmigaA-or2hj]

Modern cars look like miniature spaceships.🚀

[@Symptomless_Coma_]

Oh for a car with pop-up headlights.

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

Well I think that the parking lots are filled with ugly copy-cat cars. Cadillacs do not even look like Cadillacs anymore. Every brand copies every other brand. Only Tesla is innovative.

[@309lincoln]

Spread the word about MGUY! People need to watch this! Unfortunately, Biden can’t stay awake to see it.

[@doriangray6985]

Either that or he is face down on the floor

[@sirjohng1]

He would require a teleprompter anyway.😂

[@Mr_Seppo]

Biden have been ded for many years, thats an actor with a rubber mask you see, time to wake up people.

[@xr6lad]

@@sirjohng1why. He can’t read that either. If he has a teleprompter he reads the instructions out as well.

[@starpawsy]

Fool. Have a look at the graph. This has been a brewing issue since about 2008, long before Biden.

[@prgmr5057]

People will drive their ICE cars longer than the EV companies can stay solvent.

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

🤞

[@DeadManWalking2]

👍

[@1hasbeen531]

Zackly

[@wetbadger2]

The government will keep them afloat

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

Didn't I hear some time ago, that newer vacuum cleaners do not suck well? Because the evil busy-body politicians try to limit how powerful that your vacuum cleaner can be, I guess to "save the environment" or whatever nonsense. Come on, most people do not even vacuum even once a week, and how long does that take? 5 minutes?

[@mynameisgladiator1933]

When Trump gets in office, all those mandates are gone.

[@domfer2540]

Do not count on it. UN has the world in their hands.

[@Bryan-Hensley]

Oh, did they do something about the cheating to keep it from happening again?

[@gebirg1]

Not here in the UK. Liebour or Tory it doesn't matter. They're just two cheeks of the same arse.

[@juliametcalf2660]

We hope .....remember ballot boxes under the table....remember meritless impeachments ....lack of following direct orders

[@jamesdallas1493]

Trump 2024 🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍♥️♥️

[@paulr7547]

We have got to vote the liars out of office. It's all about power, not the environment.

[@DeadManWalking2]

👍

[@caleroby9483]

True but the un elected burocrats.... Thousands of them that DO NOT have U or I best interests. The swamp U know. Trump will only have 4 years. Then what.

[@gerbre1]

Tell me where you live and I tell you how much warmer it has become there over the last decades.

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

@@gerbre1 Not by any significant amount. Summers were hot when I was a child. Air conditioning was what my girlfriend had in her dining room window. We simply called it summer, and not "climate change".

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

The evil Democrats rig our elections. Yes, make sure that you vote for Trump. When all 50 states turn red, how will they be able to steal it?

[@jamesblair9614]

Faced with economic ruin, the governments will need to find a way of backing out of their mandates, while still keeping face.

[@Mr_Seppo]

You own nothing and you will be happy, remember those words?

[@andyman8630]

economic ruin??? 1) govts have been broke for decades 2) it's not their money

[@Biosynchro]

They are doing that right now, with 'delays'.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

By that time, they get the chance to blame a previous government. Problem solved.

[@avid6186]

Or mandate old cars off the road?

[@pgiatrakis]

YES, WE DONT WANT TO BE BULLIED ! In any direction. People don’t want EV mandates because the government doesn’t know what it’s doing.

[@fladave99]

I just bought a 2003 pickup trading down from a lexus.I WILL NEVER sell this truck cause I am not going to pay for any of this new junk. Trucks will be exempt from many greenie weenie laws because they can be registered commercial and be exempt. Way back when they had rationing my COMMERCIAL VEHICLE was exempt from all rationing

[@floydfanboy2948]

They know what they are doing. It just makes no sense to people with a working brain. But they know.

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[@kevint3845]

They want 80% of new cars to be electric in so many years, 80% of nothing is nothing. Even 1990s cars were so much better.

[@HEXTZR]

my 1999 320iA e46 feels like it has more class and character than everything newer than a well-kept 2003 Lexus es300. had a new car once 2015 Nissan pulsar ST (rebadged sentra), it only lasted around 3years before the CVT turned it into a lawn ornament and i scrapped it. the rust under the hood was unbelievable. got into BMW after the Nissan cockup. rode dirty in the e46 for 2years its now a project and the slightly less interesting/intuitive to drive 2007 e90 homologation is the daily driver.

[@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL]

I could humiliate any EV driver in a cross country marathon with my 1996 Town Car. You wouldn't think anyone would pay 20 times what my car is worth to have the "wait for hours in the cold, rain, or heat to charge the car on vacation" option, but thousands of Democrats are doing just that.

[@NightMotorcyclist]

the funny thing is we are getting closer to having a Carrington-like event now that the sun has reached solar maximum and solar flares will be quite common and the temps will increase a bit.

[@avlisk]

I look at what Jeep (Stellantis) is offering for sale today, and look at my 1997 Cherokee with a 4.0 engine, and would choose my nearly 30 year old Jeep every time over their current gasoline vehicles. The battery-powered ones aren't even a consideration, and not for thousands of others either, it seems, as the dealers have 2024, 2023, and even some 2022 Stellantis products sitting unsold on their lots. Dealers are turning down delivery of new 2024 and 2025 vehicles from the factory because they can't sell what they have. Here's a link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rF67YaFpn9tgpKs

[@avlisk]

@@NightMotorcyclist The aurora borealis of the last few weeks is more proof of the Earth's magnetic field weakening. It's already down about 20%. Some say the protection will be gone in less than 20 years at this rate. Here's a link to my source, SuspiciousObservers: www.youtube.com/@Suspicious0bservers/playlists

[@JacquesButcher]

Same here. We have 3 ICE cars and we’ll hold on to them. 2 already have 200K on them and still going strong. Newer cars are not so reliable. I do work on my own cars as much as I can.

[@raypalmer7733]

This is the clearest example of why newer cars cost so much, reliability and parts. Manufacturers are always looking to keep spares to themselves through IP blocking to prevent others supplying a cheaper alternative.

[@geoffreybanditt4355]

I have 2 ICE cars, one has 300k on it and my old 1998 Grand Cherokee was my very first car and I still have it today with over 400k on it.

[@MLC...]

Me too. We are actually hoarding some older cars from 1990's and 1980's. Will never, ever buy EV.

[@geoffreybanditt4355]

@@MLC... Also if your mechanical minded with cars it's also handy to hoard so wrecks for spare parts if you got any space any to store them.

[@oscarjohnson9156]

@@geoffreybanditt4355 Back in the 1960-70s I had five Dodges that used the slant six.

[@robfallon6346]

I'll be keeping my petrol car for as long as they still sell petrol.

[@DeadManWalking2]

Great point, when will the Mandate come eliminating the sale of petrol. This will start the Black Market, making bootleg fuel.

[@yosefmacgruber1920]

@@DeadManWalking2 Well they can not very well expect anybody to pay the gasoline tax, if they deny us our right to buy the gasoline. Yet they allow vices like gambling and certain drugs, so that they can collect the taxes on it? Corrupt politicians.

[@mikeifyouplease]

Why don't governments do as the people wish? Don't they represent their own citizens?

[@Akm72]

They care more about what the media-class thinks than the electorate. This is because they believe, with some justification, that they need positive (or at least not negative) coverage to have a chance of winning an election.

[@martinshadowmoon7371]

No

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

No most of the leaders are members of WEF... We are all screwed.

[@spencermaiers8322]

An excellent reply using as few words as possible! 🤣

[@paulholmes672]

Too many Sheeple being trained to obey. Social and Mainstream media rewards obedient "social order", all taught by the "independent", "public" school systems. As the Teacher and labor unions fund the politicians, the 'people' only matter at voting time, and the Mainstream Media perpetuate the benevolency of the government to those that listen. As the Democrats are perfecting Ballot Harvesting, it can only get worse.

[@Dilley_G45]

Another reason vehicle age rises....people have no money

[@wetbadger2]

Exactly. We’re being taxed to death for the woke agenda

[@user-nm1mk3lr1c]

16 Years ago, I payed 30k for my car. Today, a comparable car starts at 44k here.

[@Symptomless_Coma_]

Changed the spark plugs on my 2004 Meriva this morning. No app needed when 'refueling', can pay with cash to 'recharge' it, can reset the range in minutes, physical switches - no iPad to control everything, no SOS button, and no beep every few seconds when you do something the car disapproves of. Loving it.

[@raypalmer7733]

And in an accident with the newer cars (ICE or EV), will probably die as they are heavier and bigger.

[@caleroby9483]

And AFFORDABLE insurance. Let's face it... Prior to 2015. These vehicles are OFF the grid in terms of internet connectivity. So YOU have control of YOUR vehicle.

[@nothere9551]

Its worse than the Havana effect. I don't want a new ICE car either. Auto braking, lane assist, touch screens, driver fatigue devices etc. NO INTEREST. I have identified the newest car I will consider will be 2015.

[@geoffsclassiccars]

You'd be better off with 2010 newest!

[@DeadManWalking2]

My 2012 is the last new car that I will have.

[@davidkendall589]

@@DeadManWalking2 Same here. Except that my 2002 is holding up better than my 2012.

[@wasidanatsali6374]

I bought a new Expedition in 2022. The fact that it was the only model Expedition that did not have Blue Cruise, ie; cameras watching your face, was a deciding factor in the trim level I chose. The 2X brake assist would’ve been helpful, once when a deer ran out in front of me and once when a car swerved across in front of me at the last moment to make an exit ramp, the damn thing didn’t even react. Then once when we were looking at property I was backing down a pig trail on the side of a mountain and out of nowhere it slams on the brakes. It scared the crap out my wife. She was like why the hell did you slam on brakes like that, I said I didn’t the car did. I got out to see what was going on, a f’ing wet leaf had stuck to the camera. SMH I do have several older ICE trucks I use on my farm. The newest one is an 02. And then there’s my old 88 State Trooper Mustang my wife made me park. I love that car. Its not tagged but I crank it up and drive it around the farm about once a week to keep it road worthy just in case.

[@caleroby9483]

And 100% autonomy removal in a blink of an eye. Software installation that Can an Will remove your control over your modern vehicle. Told when or IF you can drive. Today... No tin foil hat here.... This is VERY REAL in today's vehicles no matter the propulsion. Just all too easy with the tech today.

[@melissasmess2773]

29 year old Ram diesel, 23 year old Subaru, 11 year old Mercedes Benz. I need nothing new. 😂

[@scottelliott6568]

Worthless politicians 😢

[@AndyJSThomson]

As a UK pensioner with my own private pension as well as the state hand out, I still can’t afford an electric equivalent to my SUV. I also don’t want anything with a bloody silly iPad instead of a dashboard and I won’t buy anything that has a black box that tracks my every move. So not sure how the government are going to deal with that.

[@tokoloshimampara9932]

I come from a little African country that had global sanctions from 1965 to 1980. We all drove ancient cars because we had no choice. But we learned to be self-reliant and even learned to make our own petrol by distilling ethanol from sugar cane. Where there's a will there will always be a way.

[@oscarjohnson9156]

You see that's the thing they are overlooking. In the U.S. it is mandatory that all gasoline contain 10 percent ethanol. We already have the infrastructure, just need to expand it.

[@tokoloshimampara9932]

​@oscarjohnson9156 You can't just throw 100% ethanol in your tank. You have to adjust the air fuel mixture to maintain the stoichiometric ratio. For gas, it's 14.7;1 for ethanol it's around 9:1

[@twig3288]

I don’t think we’ll ever see a time when the average age of EVs on the road is any more than about 4 years.

[@DeadManWalking2]

That’s the idea, disposable lighters. Industrial money train.

[@caleroby9483]

Throw away garbage. Ohhhh so eco.. 🙄🙄🙄🤨😠

[@raincoast9010]

My truck is already 20 years old because they refuse to build a mini truck or an old style North American small pickup.

[@hazelwood55]

They do this because fuel standards are tied to the size of the vehicle. The smaller the vehicle, the higher the mileage needed. Small trucks would have to get mid 50mph. More excessive govt. regulation.

[@howardj602]

I have a 98 Chevy Astro that a use for daily driving and a tow vehicle for long-distance travel. Never checked the gas mileage.

[@hiflyer000]

I used to have a little 1997 Nissan pickup truck and it was the best vehicle I ever owned. I put over 200k miles on it and never had to do a single non-maintenance repair. I regret getting rid of it and it would still probably running today if I still owned it. Also fuel standards have nothing to do with why they stopped making smaller trucks. They stopped making them because they aren't profitable enough. Same reason affordable starter homes aren't built anymore.

[@Aliens_Gonna_Get_Ya]

EV’s 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ZappyOh]

Maybe a nice long-term investment would be to buy a load of ICE-cars, and store them for a decade.

[@wearetomorrowspast.5617]

Smaller engine automatics. Drivers learning now in EV's will not know how use manual gear change.

[@raypalmer7733]

@@wearetomorrowspast.5617 Any many people today cannot even drive a manual car!

[@DeadManWalking2]

A manual transmission is best built in Anti Theft Device in the USA. They also eliminate most of todays annoying Beeps and Buzzing. No Auto Start/Stop 💩 either.

[@IN_THIS_DAY_AND_AGE]

The UK government is already discussing removing the "historic vehicle" category, thereby forcing owners to tax and MoT these vehicles.

[@EMidMSO]

And of course ULEZ has shown that they have no compunction about pricing old cars out of use

[@bobstirling6885]

That's because the historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ and people are buying them to run around cities....

[@markperry5975]

And when liebour get in, this WILL happen!

[@fredEVOIX]

in Switzerland there's a classic car category you pay lower taxes BUT they recently set limits you cannot drive more than x thousand miles a year and they are banned from several towns

[@fladave99]

I just bought a 2003 pickup trading down from a lexus.I WILL NEVER sell this truck cause I am not going to pay for any of this new junk. Trucks will be exempt from many greenie weenie laws because they can be registered commercial and be exempt. Way back when they had rationing my COMMERCIAL VEHICLE was exempt from all rationing

[@quailstudios]

We have 4 cars. One is 10 years old, one is 18 years old, one is 45 years old, and one is 95 years old. They all run and drive well.

[@user-fw3fq3de3z]

i would have bought a new car last year if not for this

[@SirGriefALot]

Well, I'd rather drive some Mad Max Frankenstein car of mismatched parts welded together than an EV that may or may not decide to burn my house down at any time.

[@bobbadham261]

Wot? You mean the sheeple are stubborn? We'll soon put a stop to that!! 😮

[@nheather]

I normally change my cars each 3-4 years, but this time I deliberately chose one with the intention of keeping it for 10 or more years.

[@eyerollthereforeiam1709]

16 year old Toyota here.. I feed it parts it occasionally wants, and plan to do that until the paint falls off.

[@onemoremisfit]

22 year old Chevy truck recently restored to like new here, and another 18 year old Chevy currently undergoing restoration.

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

Preach brother!! 👍

[@DeadManWalking2]

👍

[@Vladviking]

I'd be happy to have my 56 Chevy pickup back. I ran it into the 80's. This modern stuff may be fancy and modern but it is crap, breaks often and costs thousands to fix. So screw EV's period.

[@timothykeith1367]

The '89 to '99 Chevy pickup can be a forever vehicle. These are the GMT platform. The followup GMT800 is good as well. The popularity ensures the aftermarket support will be excellent. Toyota Tacoma is a forever vehicle. The fuel economy isn't bad when you consider there are no payments. With either of these there are 1 million mile examples still in use - for those who pay attention to small details and get stuff fixed - and are somewhat lucky.

[@crosseyedone7960]

Yes you're right. I'm getting myself an old diesel and start making my own fuel.

[@angleseyandy9110]

Heating oil

[@raypalmer7733]

Until they ban own fuel production due to fire harzards....

[@DeadManWalking2]

Bingo

[@thamesmud]

It's not just EV's the new ice cars are full of stuff nobody wants like drive by wire , dystopian driver monitoring systems and driving controls buried deep in tablet infotainment systems. I'll keep my old van and just use my phone as a satnav .

[@adrienneanderson-smith2257]

My husband is a mechanic. We have NEVER bought a new car. Our diesel truck is 1985ish! The mini-vans are 1995ish. I have begun to DETEST the electronic perks - classic is BEST 😉

[@ArcanePath360]

Whatever the gov says, I ALWAYS do the exact opposite. They are my barometer for knowing the right way to go.

[@caleroby9483]

Pretty much.... 😐

[@erichstocker8358]

I don't buy new ICE either because the prices have gone bonkers. I also don't like all the nonsense electronic crap in the cars. I prefer crank windows that don't cost $200+ to repair. I don't want computers deciding when transmissions should shift. I don't like $1000+ to replace a automobile computer. All not necessary.

[@onemoremisfit]

I don't want anything new either, because I can't work on it. But the stuff I drive has power windows and computers even though it's about 20 years old. But still relatively simple and basic compared to new, and I can work on it.

[@raypalmer7733]

And yet Simon would like us to think these new ICE cars are better than EVs when all new cars have so much of the same tech.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@raypalmer7733 Actually I don't see Simon railing against electronic fuel injection.

[@caleroby9483]

​@@raypalmer7733....Yep, this is true.

[@dougfisher1813]

It's already here! I'm seeing more and more 1970's and 1980's cars being resurrected as daily drivers. I even saw a Dodge Aries with an antique license plate.

[@Matt123a]

Prices go up, income adjusted for inflation goes down. FJB FAA

[@raybrensike42]

When they bailed out the banks back in '08, as a carpenter I had to work at reduced wages so my boss could find us work. I did that for 10 years, and then when my wage finally got back to where it was 10 years ago, sub sandwiches were no longer $5.00. Then came COVID and I retired. No, I would not work with goggles, gloves, and mask, and at my age I shouldn't have been around that COVID stuff anyway.

[@starpawsy]

LIAR. THis has been happening since 2008. Nothing to do with FJB.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@starpawsy Biden just made it worse. But thank goodness fast food workers got a living wage and are all getting replaced by machines where the living wage is MANDATED. Funny the push for $15 turned into $20 as prices rose within a year....just as we predicted. Mandates really work, but not the way they say they will.

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

​@@starpawsyBruh. Not seeing the connection between who was in the WH in 08 and who is in the WH now? JB is really BO's third term.

[@starpawsy]

@@Eidolon1andOnly Bwahahaha. "Bruh". That was SIXTEEN YEARS AGO. That's just a Fox LIE. Dont give me that crap.

[@user-lj9ld8ir1e]

EVs are fast becoming throw away items.

[@DeadManWalking2]

Disposable Lighters.

[@davegoldspink5354]

One thing we should keep in mind is that things may soon change especially if we see Chairman Albo and Labor lose power. Being the eternal optimist I can see things changing for the better now that people are seeing the net zero and EV myths for what they are especially when our politicians of both sides of politics have let us all down so badly. Saying that fixing our broken electoral system is a must for this to happen properly.

[@mikepickford1]

The liberal party are just as bad as labor. They gifted us the Ministry of Truth and set up all the laws for labor to do the things they are doing now. Scomo is a member of the WEF and many of the heads of the public service are too. Until they are all removed and dealt with nothing is going to get better.

[@martentrudeau6948]

We need honest money world wide that will change everything for the better.

[@morcosboci]

Can you tell the difference between Labor and liberals?

[@mikepickford1]

@@morcosboci The spelling. The people involved... and the labor party are a little more obvious in what they are doing. Otherwise, same s#1t, different bucket.

[@davegoldspink5354]

@@morcosboci yeah ones a little bit more commie and delusional than the other and the percentage varies depending on the day. If you refer to the end of my comment you will find I have very little confidence in our politicians or our electoral system.

[@stevenmitchell7830]

Totally agree. Let's export Bowen to Cuba.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

He's going to have to learn to sail, first. He couldn't possibly get on one of those filthy kero canaries. That would be a hypocrisy. And, just quietly, I can't see him learning to tie shoe laces anytime soon, let alone rig and sail a yacht.

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

And send Biden Sunak and Starmer too...

[@DocZoidberg549]

Yep, I have a 94, two 96's, a 98, and a 99. They didn't mention the ability to work on your own vehicles.

[@derek-press]

we had a 22 year old Polo which we gave to a neighbours young lad who had just passed his test because he had just started work ,4 years later that little blue VW was still going,26 years old!,it did fail the MOT because of rust but the motor was still perfect,now our A190 Merc is hitting 20 years old and still looks like new and just got a new MOT,we also have a 1984 E28 BMW 518 that we just use for a Sunday outing ,nice 1 hour drive to a cafe or Ice cream parlour ,nobody is telling me what I can or cannot drive!

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

Till they make petrol illegal... 😠

[@derek-press]

@@jodargoofmaztica5071 Ill import it from Russia

[@doriangray6985]

Agree 👍

[@deanomarino31]

Similar has occurred with Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon. No longer made but still in demand as a great tow sedan ... my 2012 G6E has only depreciated by 3k since 2018 ... and almost nothing in last 2 years

[@grahamcheckinwithme]

Get rid of these mad governments......

[@Flitalidapouet]

Won't be Havana effect, will be the Cuba effect. After all, Australia is an island. 🤣

[@DeeDee-pw9pm]

'Havana Effect' and 'Cuba Effect' are synonymous for the same phenomenon. F.Y.I.

[@xr6lad]

@@DeeDee-pw9pmwhoosh. Feel better now? Specially as the OP was only making a joke. Not have a lecture on word origins and background.

[@woofwoof9647]

Yep my 2002 Toyota 3 litre Diesel will do me forever no warrant no redgo when time comes , who cares not me ❤

[@therovingrobin5938]

And that's why the scumbags in government are attacking the infrastructure of gas/Diesel cars...gas stations are going to be throttled to the point, where you won't be able to fill up your tank...no oil for your engine available... THAT'S their endgame

[@danielc3003]

My van has 406,000 mi and is 26 years old. I am sooooo green!

[@jtc1947]

I am 76 years old and not in GREAT HEALTH! I CANNOT afford to BUY, Energize or MAINTAIN an EV of any kind and various idiots in D.C think that they know everything??

[@plastiksurgeon9129]

I’ll be hanging on to my 2011 Challenger, and my ‘06 Saturn Vue for a looooong time. No EV nonsense/junk EVER for this man. ✌🏾

[@user-fw3fq3de3z]

could not get a new ice 2023 pajero.... will not by a hybrid 2024 model

[@alasdair4161]

I can put two new engines for my car for one years worth of EV depreciation... and my current one has just passed 350000km.

[@caleroby9483]

Sad... Isn't it. What the West is coming to. We are Literally needing to horde components of no longer produced parts to keep driving freely. A failing society.

[@bobstirling6885]

Absolutely correct, here in the UK the second-hand prices for ICE are increasing continually while EVs crash in price.

[@johnsearl6431]

the Ice Age isn't over yet.....

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

🤣

[@DeadManWalking2]

👍 😂

[@gerbre1]

It ends with ludicrous speed.

[@andrewnevermind4902]

When i moved to Ireland years back. People would identify cars more by the year than by their brand. Now we're eating bugs and unable to pay our bills. How things change.

[@lesliewelch6551]

I will keep my ICE car for as long as I can get parts, that includes engine parts, hopefully, until I am no longer part of this crazy world.

[@raypalmer7733]

Don't hope for too long as they may ban sales of parts for cars older than say 15 years in order to incentivize people to get new ones which cost a fortune to maintain.

[@DeadManWalking2]

I remember when the VW Bug stopped production and Mexico started building them with all of the original tooling. It was crazy seeing NEW Bugs in 1990.

[@howardj602]

@@raypalmer7733 They ban the sale of drugs now, and you can still buy them anyplace in the U.S.

[@baddogdax69]

I’m not 100% sure but I think the UK is trying to pass a law that if a gas car is too old you won’t be allowed to fix it.

[@hogtownhenry]

Has anyone done a full and truthful calculation of how much pollution/emissions are created from start to finish of the manufacture/wrecking/recycling and or the propensity to self destruct with toxic chemicals and HEAT are released into the atmosphere? A 10 to 15 YO ICE has already had the pollution from manufacture dispersed and absorbed and dissipated into the atmosphere. Just imagine 1 giant volcano going off can put more nasties into the atmosphere than whatever we mere humans do. The biggest influence on us I am of the belief is the orange nuclear reactor giving us life on our little blue dot. Another odd revelation is that many are against nuclear power but our son gives us life and in the most part, a comfortable one.

[@dalemeyers4175]

The authoritarians will eventually short circuit the idea of keeping older gasoline vehicles on the road by choking off the aftermarket parts supply.

[@caleroby9483]

They sure will... An the fuel to power them. ALL about CONTROL. People must get this one fact. Or Our Freedoms are Done with. 🤨😠

[@wetbadger2]

Spot on

[@markhanson8366]

Already happenining in Straya! Had to send to USA for some gaskets for the old (2001) Mazda as none could be sourced here and that includes the Mazda dealership!

[@geraldscott4302]

My 2006 Ford Crown Vic is 18 years old. I have 2 parts cars, a couple of good engines and transmissions, and am hoarding other parts to keep it going. I intend for it to last for the rest of my life.

[@jfruser]

My dad used to flip used cars just for variety's sake, making middle-class wages. I can not afford to do the same, despite being a bit higher in economic & social status. Our ruling & managerial class hates us and their policy has led to this.

[@michaelpassmore9369]

We need to start stockpiling car parts NOW!!!

[@maifantasia3650]

In Cuba, it was due to US trade embargoes. As there were no issues with importing Chinese and Soviet components, US car parts were replaced with parts from communist trading partners.

[@howardj602]

A lot of those car parts were made in the small shops in Cuba.

[@maifantasia3650]

@howardj602 - I most certainly was not denigrating the resourcefulness and ingenuity of the underground Cuban workshops in producing panels and accessories. I was mainly referring to the powerplants. Sure, some were able to use wax castings to reproduce pre-1960 US engine blocks, the majority were, however, replaced with Soviet 4 cylinder diesels (and, later, Mercedes-Benz diesels). Small diesel engines were preferred, over petrol V8s, as they were far cheaper to maintain and run. In a similar fashion, 1970's Holdens can still be found in my country. However, due to the petrol hungry nature of the old 6 cylinder red motors, pop the bonnet of the remaining examples and you'll generally find a Japanese 4 cylinder.

[@alakablam7901]

Still rocking a 1985 e28 Bmw. 320,000 kms on the clock and counting. Just some basic maintenance and a regular oil change (which I can do myself) and starts every time without fail. Bring on the Havana Effect, I’m happily living it already.

[@tonymoreton7166]

It's been my policy for years. Whatever the government wants me to do, or tries to bribe me to do, or tries to force me to do; do precisely the opposite. Fail safe strategy, every time.

[@RfromG-bd4fb]

Ev are becoming more and more popular in Australia. Driving in heavy traffic about 2 hours ago I saw 2.

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

So way less than .1% of all the cars then!?

[@DeadManWalking2]

😂

[@patriot388]

I'm hanging on to my Mustang! 😂

[@DeadManWalking2]

5.0 Manual here, will never get rid of it.

[@whatscoldoing5627]

Not just EVs, but the predominant trend to more and more electronics that makes the “analogue” vehicles more attractive.

[@TCS154]

Totally agree!!! 👍

[@scetchport]

I'm hearing ya.

[@eifionhowells]

My little 911 celebrated her 24th birthday this month and I will keep her until I can't get parts or I stop driving. There is no way I will buy a milk float except maybe a mobility scooter if my knees give up completely.

[@DeadManWalking2]

👍

[@NatesHomeTours]

As a person that worked at Oreilly Auto Parts for 7 years, I can tell you what the government will do to keep this from happening. They already are doing it. Parts that were availave readily for older vehicles just seemed to no longer be available, just out of the blue. Parts that we commonly ordered pre pandemic became scarse for older vehicles and are now no longer available. And every year it seemed like the shortage of parts became more and more for newer and newer cars and trucks. I think it was around the 25 year old mark where it starts becoming hard to find parts. Even my 2wd 04 Dodge Dakota, some suspension parts are now junk yard only items.

[@livingonhighvibe]

I'll get a second job to buy double the parts and many the parts that need to be changed more frequently. Like, 10 alternators etc. Then I can keep my car until I die. Lol.

[@jwt1035]

I’d say it’s more related to the skyrocketing car prices, rather than lack of willingness to buy EVs.

[@playasurf1000]

I'm rebuilding an old xb falcon cos of the ridiculous prices of todays cars. And boy is she gonna run rich

[@richardgreen1383]

My "new" vehicle is now 7 years old, older than the average of all the vehicles I have purchased (and sold/traded previously) with one exception, my other vehicle is a 21 year old 2003 Jeep Wrangler. So, the average age of my vehicles is 14 years.

[@swinglow33]

Should do a story on thieves stealing copper wire from EV chargers.

[@36terraplane57]

Don't you think the governments will hike the gas tax so high as to make it unaffordable to run your gas car?

[@Aliens_Gonna_Get_Ya]

will drive my old mx5 & my old jeep 4 ever!!! 👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣

[@Theweouthereforrealclub-]

Miata gang

[@kennethboyer2338]

This is the whole purpose, it's all about control, always has been. The powers that be wasn't to limit our travel.

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

EVs are the first step towards neo-feudalism.

[@vlada]

Love those Cuban cars. The year i worked there, the family i was living with had a 57 Bel Air and the seats, ceiling and carpet inside was hand stitched/sown and was incredible.

[@patmcbride9853]

They are already working to throttle fuel production and they've raised prices any way they can.

[@stefanlundblad7693]

The streets in Havana are nice. 😊

[@robertkubrick3738]

If you really need hookers?

[@steveoc64]

Imagine driving along the highway in the outback, where you go over an unexpected pothole, utter a curse word .. which gets misconstrued by the AI as an unsafe and possibly homophobic, rascist anti-Semitic slur .. at which point the car pulls over, locks the brakes, puts the windows up, locks the doors, exhales sleeping gas from the AC, and calls 000

[@jodargoofmaztica5071]

So Scotland then...

[@DeadManWalking2]

Hahaha 🤣

[@caleroby9483]

1984.... Orwell wrote the warnings. Arm up... Or sheeple you'll be. These SOS in our Governments MUST be removed.

[@overbuiltlimited]

I was talking with my father this a few months ago. He immigrated from Cuba in 1961. If Cuba, a place with sanctions, a very weak supply chain, limited factories and machinery to fix and repair cars is able to keep their cars running for over six decades, then we will have no issues at all. I have zero fear of not being able to repair my old 911 or my 1995 ZR1.

[@bob456fk6]

Thirty years ago I had a business trip to Juarez, Mexico. I noticed that a lot of the cars were very old. Much different from the US.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Imagine if they pushed cars under 1,000cc, or that could do over 60MPG instead of EVs.

[@davidwall8954]

Plenty of hybrids do well over 60 mpg. Though once people get a hybrid, and see how well the electric bit works, many take the full leap to EV. Interesting as worldwide growth of EVs in 2024 is down to + 20%, hybrid growth is skyrocketing.

[@caleroby9483]

Hybrid should have been the real means to help electrify transportation. The zealots hate them as much as ICE propulsion vehicles. It's so stupid.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

@@caleroby9483 Adding a 1,000kg of battery and motors to a car? Since there's not enough "renewables" to power the grid on they own, wouldn't it make more sense to use them to power the grid, and fossil for transport, instead of trying to use them for something that they're bad at?

[@davidwall8954]

@@caleroby9483 Toyotas view was that getting 2 people into a hybrid, cut emissions by about the same as getting 1 into an EV. If we want to cut emissions, we should be pushing people towards EVs, and hybrids for those who a full EV is not suitable. If neither is suitable, surprise, surprise - petrol and diesel are still widely available, and will be for a long time. The vast majority of the zealots I see, particularly on this site, have a weird irrational fear about EVs. It's pretty simple - if you don't want an EV, or a mini, or a Ford F250 - don't get one. Spending your life whinging about stuff you aren't going to get is a bit nuts.

[@jasonz7788]

BRAVO!

[@tomosbon7347]

I have 3 vehicles over 20 years old and they are all in good condition. After government mandates that went into effect after 2003 all vehicles began to slip backwards in their dependability. It has gotten to where it isn't feasible to work on ICE vehicles almost as much as EVs. From the beginning of the auto industry until the intervention of government regulations and mandates - vehicles were getting better and more reliable, but no more. Government ruins everything it touches.

[@raypalmer7733]

The real problem is newer cars are becoming more expansive to MAINTAIN not buy and so people will stick with what they can afford to maintain. This is why new cars sales is falling.

[@justthink5854]

Dacia Duster from 12k-24k US. seats 5. gets 40+mpg. cheap simple reliable. 4x4 can go anywhere if that's what you want. EV's are awful, unless home charging/city use and cheap.