USA vs Russia: Who Has The DEADLIEST Warship?

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[@MisterSplendy]

Better Help?? GTFO. Won't watch video.

[@craftpaint1644]

I heard a bunch of our very good sea lift ships are bottled up in Baltimore harbor behind that collapsed bridge. The whole bridge didn't fall, is it true they can't get out?

[@BeowulfGodhammer]

If you're looking for better therapy regarding the US vs Russian ANYTHING, you're an idiot; every major warship Russia has has been either drydocked or sunk. Allow me to start with the Moskva - the pride of the Russian fleet - has been garbage since it undocked, and a turd farm when it sank.

[@dr.threatening8622]

Solid beginning segueway, good to get the ad out of the way first.

[@Unapolgetic_German]

To my Knowledge the Kinzhal SAM is actually an SA-N-9 Gauntlet as well or am i wrong?

[@dmac7128]

From what I have gathered from the long term ship building plan, the Flight IIIs will replace the Ticonderogas. So it makes sense to give the Flight IIIs capabilities that would allow them to assume all of the roles that the Ticonderoga was designed for and the role of command ship in particular.

[@joelr.9330]

Agreed. As the Flight llls are commissioned and brought into the fleet they should each replace a Ticonderoga one for one for each of the 11 carrier strike group. The Reagan has in it's group at least 2 Ticos and more Arleigh Burke's than your standard carrier force.

[@scottsauritch3216]

For the time being, until ~2030 when DDG(X) starts production...

[@SirLurkALot]

I was privileged to be present at the Tampa, FL, commissioning ceremony for the USS Jack H. Lucas, first of the Flight III Burkes. I even got a guided tour of the ship. Magnificent warfighting machine. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that when it's angry.

[@jonskowitz]

Based on the witnessed performance difference between Black Sea and the Suez Gulf, looking at the entire system (boats and boots working together)... Gonna have to give it to the USN

[@jakemocci3953]

We are failing miserably in the Red Sea

[@Gubers]

@@jakemocci3953 Can't fail when you don't try... The only thing failing in the Red Sea is US leadership. And pathetic Houthi attacks on USN ships.

[@DairyCat]

Easily the US. Russia do have some interesting corvettes and frigates but their blue-water capable ships are all extremely outdated.

[@panzerabwerkanone]

Well when the US put billions of dollars into LCS program and now they are all being scrapped......

[@ashcarrier6606]

​@Viper-ms9eg You do if you want a global navy, rather than regional shore patrol.

[@Gridlocked]

@Viper-ms9egThe Black Sea fleet has done a poor job at addressing USVs. Comparatively, 2nd CSG has been successfully addressing USVs within a sea that is much smaller than that of the Black Sea.

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

They dont plan to invade any oil rich country on the other side of the world ! That's a US business !

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

@@Gridlocked Black Sea Fleet never been the "best fleet", even since USSR. Even pacific fleet isnt to the level of the northern fleet !

[@goobfilmcast4239]

I bet the Burkes can likely sprint at 32-35 knots.....with the only constraint being fuel level. Anything with Adm Burke's name should never do less than 31 knots😚

[@JayD-fx4wc]

bro peter the great is a 100k + ton ship! with 90k horsepower! A.B. is 100k HORSEPOWER at 10k tons!!!!! A.B. has to hit like 45 knots maybe can sprint up to 70 knots! I Heard from a sailor that out aircraft carriers can do 75 knots. soo they have to keep on with them big boys! dont tell anyone but if a ship take 5 day trip to somewhere... if our ship was to take the same trip it would take 2 days tops. that's freaky fast! JIMMY JOHN's FAST lol

[@dezeekat]

@@JayD-fx4wc 76 knots? Why not then attach wings to it and a stabilizer and let it fly.. No more silly high waves. Lets call it The Atlantic Ocean Monster

[@ayylmao1558]

​@@JayD-fx4wcdamn I had no idea kirovs were more than 100,000 tons. Must have depleted uranium and composite armor everywhere

[@lyric-992]

​​@@JayD-fx4wc kirov is not even near 100k tons bruh. Plus a ship that goes 75 knots is ridiculous

[@kurousagi8155]

@@JayD-fx4wcPeter the Great is 28K tons. Max speed is less than 40 knots.

[@Quinton42]

I love your VS series. Please do more.

[@sststr]

If you're going to call a ship the Arleigh Burke, you should release a public speed figure of 31 knots. Talk about a missed opportunity!

[@Charlie-Oooooo]

The Admiral 'Knock-Him-Off" looks to be a formidable challenge.

[@w0mblemania]

It's in dry-dock. So it's only a matter of time before the Ukrainians hit it with some drones from Home Depot.

[@MicroSBs]

@@w0mblemania Even if they get the stupid thing sailing there is only one. Its not even a thought this boat.

[@ax.f-1256]

​​@@w0mblemaniaWhy waste any ammo on that thing ? It will (again) catch fire on its own sooner or later, just as it usually does... So why wast expensive ammo on the Kusnetzow ? But the tug boat that is constantly towing that thing is a valid target to be honest.

[@Canthus13]

In a one-on-one fight? Sure. But since when does the US Navy go after anything more substantial than a bass boat with a single ship?

[@hillogical]

@@Canthus13 assuming they go after the bass boat with JUST a ship and not overwhelming air cover to boot.

[@MeerKatReport]

This was fun! I enjoy a little frankness when discussing the capabilities of US combat systems. They're very powerful. And the newer ones sometimes feel like they belong on an episode of Star Trek. "Target their sensors!" The resolution of our sensors and the kind of data-fusing that battle-management systems do is truly not understood by most civilians. They don't yet understand the nature of the missile age, let alone the drone age. It's just nice to hear someone say what we know: We'd kick their asses.

[@bowdoin5063]

This is easy, the Soviets have the deadliest warships because they've killed more of their own sailors then we have

[@I_am_not_a_dog]

They also have to the only cruiser that is capable of spontaneously becoming a submarine. CGSSBN power!

[@jloiben12]

Well… you are not not right

[@craftpaint1644]

The Russian Navy has my sympathy, it's dangerous duty in peacetime and they've done a lot of good fighting these days, but do take it in the face also.

[@ivan7453]

Quite right. The Kursk is a great example.

[@markwhaling7315]

Damnit, you beat me to it. Lol.

[@tyronrossouw44]

The US never ceases to amaze me. Their engineering prowess is incredible.

[@ShermanHrus]

S-300 (as well as SA-N-9) actually can be used vs naval targets as well, to some extent. So its not jush SS-N-19.

[@hertzwave8001]

SM-2 and SM-6 as well, not sure if the S-300 is limited to LOS like the older SM-2s were, but SM-6 can be fired from over the horizon

[@Canthus13]

It's just the same as russian land warfare doctrine - EVERYTHING is artillery. S-200, S-300, S-400, all the other SAM systems... Pretty much everything Russia builds has a land attack mode. They really, REALLY love their indirect fire.

[@ambassadorofreee3859]

This isn't even a contest

[@williamdodds1394]

It is when she received hypersonic zircons.

[@garyleibitzke4166]

At the last company I worked at I was part of the design team that designed some of the components of the SPY-6 radar. That radar is a fundamental leap forward in capability.

[@SubBrief]

I agree.

[@SirLurkALot]

This is so Jive - getting DoD wiped while describing a previous online incident in which he was DoD wiped. Too funny.

[@tomriley5790]

Probably the US, simply because of the crew, training and drills - it's not jsut about the kit, plus the kit is more likely to work and be maintained. That said on a purely equipment basis I'd actually look at the Chinese type 055 as probably the best all round surface combatant design.

[@chrisspulis1599]

One ship doesn't make a fleet.

[@hughmungus2760]

I wonder if in some strange future, the Russians decide to swallow their pride and build their warships in chinese shipyards. Jiangnan could probably produce 4 Kirovs in little over 18 months.

[@hollister2320]

@@hughmungus2760 imagine going from the jewel of Europe and an ally to the most powerful and prosperous countries, to a resource colony for their Asian masters. I would have crashed out if I were Russian😹

[@hughmungus2760]

@@hollister2320 Russia is half asian you know. At least china respects Russia while the west hasn't stopped mocking Russia since 1991 whats going to be sadder is europe which will devolve into a de-industrialised backwater that can't compete globally.

[@Canthus13]

@@hughmungus2760 Mmm... Tofu Dreg Ships. I can't wait.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@Canthus13 Apparently 58% of global commercial shipping is tofu then because china absolutely dominates that sector.

[@Hellfox777]

That block 3 is gonna be ridiculous

[@SuiLagadema]

I'm sorry Jive, but my bias goes to your battleships of WWII. You can't deny that aft in the Iowa class.

[@CptJistuce]

I've watched the documentary about an Iowa-class being pressed back into service to defeat an alien vessel that had proven more than a match for the Arleigh Burkes. I don't know why Hasbro was credited, though.

[@scottsauritch3216]

Yeah, I heard they (Navy) are VERY impressed with SPY-6. Like, WAY more capable than they had expected... So much so that they don't necessarily need the much larger arrays (~60 RMA's as opposed to the 37 of blk III and ~24 back fitting onto blk IIA's) they thought they had needed to properly perform AMD as well as future hypersonic defense... Fortunately they're building them real fast too!

[@Flankymanga]

This video talks about the old Kirov class, the modernized version would have many of its sensors and radars replaced. Also the 3M22 missile will be part of its armament. This missile other than having a very high speed, has also much better range to even the upcoming BGM-109 Block Va. SLQ ESM suite is certainly impressive but it seems to be directed at sea-skimming threats and does not cover upper hemisphere. If the Zircon has a programmable flight path and would approach the target from the top, it would be devastating weapon. Not only it would be fast, forming a plasma cloud around the body for big chunk of its flight it would be undetected, and if on the final approach it would close in from the top, Burke onboard defense systems would have very little time to react if they would be able to do so at all. Russians have had a top attack antiship missile before with their KH-15.

[@dopepopeurban6129]

I think it’s hard to make a reasonable comparison between both navies, they have drastically different objectives and backgrounds. The post ww2 USN was always expected to fight overseas in Europe and Asia, necessitating logistic and amphibious capabilities as well as providing capable air support via f.e. aircraft carriers. On the contrary the soviet navy had a more „defensive“ role in soviet war planning, being primarily tasked with occupying the Norwegian & Baltic Seas and denying nato surface and submarine action in those theaters while the submarine force was to venture into the North Atlantic to disrupt the supply lines between Europe and the United States. Both of those strategies resulted in highly specialized vessels that, for the most part, don’t have an equivalent in the others fleet.

[@anareel4562]

Power and hull form math the Burke can easily do 30+ carriers do 30-35 so it's at least that fast

[@hughmungus2760]

heavier ships tend to retain their speed better so the power to weight doesn't scale linearly.

[@anareel4562]

@@hughmungus2760 i understand that but it's safe to assume the screening ship is at least as fast as what it's supposed to be escorting, ie the carrier

[@hughmungus2760]

@@anareel4562 sure. maybe under ideal conditions with no concern for fuel. But thats like arguing which fighter jet is faster with afterburners and a clean loadout.

[@Syndr1]

Does anybody remember this Class of ship being the big baddie in The Last Ship TV show?

[@bholdr----0]

@20:10- 'The Burke will be able to choose the time and place [of an engagement]'... That sounds like the modern equivalent of having the 'Weather Gauge' in the high age of sail (roughly 1650-1820)... Is that an apt analogy?

[@simonnance]

Not so much. In the age of sail you at least knew the other ship was there, even if you couldn't control the engagement. Having missiles appear from nowhere is much worse.

[@surters]

So how many times does the Battlecruiser have to be hit by missiles from the ABIII before it sinks, assuming slightly better damage control than the Moscow, bigger size and more armour?

[@dennisswaim8210]

The Kirovs are cruisers not Destroyers. Tonnage makes a hell of a difference. Hardly a fair comparison.

[@NeroontheGoon]

This Kirov class against an Arleigh Burke, IMHO, apples and oranges. One is a nuclear powered heavy cruiser against a destroyer! That Burke must be swinging waaaaaaaaay above its weight class!

[@MrMasterSpam]

Have the latest flight removed the forward CWIS?

[@texasranger24]

While block 3 is great, the anti ship weapons are lacking. Sure you can tell the SM-2 to go in, but that's not the real deal. It needs NSM, long-range anti ship Tomahawk and VLS LRASM.

[@Dasycottus]

AFIK, all modern flights of Tomahawk have anti-ship capabilities. A Flight 3 Burke would almost certainly pack only the freshest, shiniest tomahawks. Idk what sort of ship-defeating shenanigans are aboard those missiles, but I suspect they've been building them specifically to defeat the Kirov for decades.

[@ricdale7813]

All that Russian advanced systems looks cool but requires constant upkeep and upgrades. High expensive for a Military unwilling too put reliability and safety first. More Russian junk.

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

They dont put 10% of their GDP into arms business and arms companies !

[@williammullinax6130]

​@@Real_Claudy_Focanand it's all junk. They can't even stop losing ships to a smaller country with no navy.

[@michaelkendall662]

they put my DDG on babysitting detail on a Russian trawler trying to get the sonar signature on the USS Ohio when she changed homeport to WA.....it was 3 years old and already looked ready to sink from lack of maintenance

[@stuartdollar9912]

Hmm. Interesting you're putting a cruiser up against the destroyer, given that a Carrier Task Force would turn either one into Swiss Cheese inside of an hour. And the US has 11 of them.

[@williammullinax6130]

For fun??? Or is that now allowed?

[@peterm2]

The Flight III is the CG replacement. So it's valid.

[@MrCastodian]

Yes, obviously, Russian air defense can’t do anything and American missiles hit perfect, all the time… Interesting that you put a cruiser up against a Task force? Do you believe that’s how it work? Maybe some reality in it all? Do you believe Kirov sail out alone? No support? An Carrier task force with 6 Cruiser/Destroyer 2 submarines and a Carrier, facing of with Kirov task force including 3 Admiral Gorkshov, 3 Udaloy and 3 Yasen, supported by an Mig-31 and 2 Backfire regiments. That’s how they would do it. Do you think that USA just sailing in, flag waving and just sink them all?m within an hour? How would this task force handle 250 super and hyper sonic missiles that get the first shoot? No problem at all?

[@kurousagi8155]

@@MrCastodianthree Gorshkovs, three Yasens, and three Udaloys? Is this the entirety of the North Fleet? Also where is your scenario taking place? Why do the Russians get MiG-31s and TU-22s? Those aren’t naval aircraft.

[@Delrin3030]

@@MrCastodian yes

[@DavidFMayerPhD]

Gross defect: Except for the antenna at the very top, all the rest are BLOCKED by the superstructure at the front. Hence, they are useless on an enemy directly ahead of the ship.

[@sensibledriver933]

I wonder how much of the equipement on the Russian ship actually works? Look what happened to the Moskva when attacked with a 30 year old missile.

[@hughmungus2760]

Im pretty certain some of the rust buckets slated for decommissioning in the US fleet wouldn't do much better. Heck did you know the moskva was 10 years older than the oldest Burkes? And it didn't get any midlife upgrades either so it was essentially comparable to the Spruance class which have almost all been retired.

[@sensibledriver933]

@@hughmungus2760 Yet it was the flagship. That implies it was the best ship. Su you are saying the Russian fleet is mostly junk?

[@hughmungus2760]

@@sensibledriver933 the black sea fleet sure, because who's going to invade Russia through the black sea?

[@michaelkendall662]

@@hughmungus2760 Turkey limits naval ship movement through their straits

[@mikael5938]

whut happened to bradleys and abrams in afghanistan or iraq?

[@WarDaddyUSA]

I think we are doing great. One issue is. we dont seem to have many modern capable anti-ship missiles, I herd they are retro fitting the sm-6 for anti-ship. but that warhead is too small. the harpoon is strong but slow. speed and maneuverability is key i think. also, and in numbers to saturate defense.

[@hibco3000]

They have a new missile called the Naval Strike missile and it's pretty capable and it's actually stealth.

[@chronus4421]

Thanks Jive! Whats the difference between flight 1, 2 and 3 of the Arleigh Burke class? How does it and Constellation class compliment each other? Maybe a video about modern US Navy composition?

[@michaelkendall662]

Frigate are normally ASW or AA specializing

[@wolfskid15]

While it isn't mentioned in this video for obvious reasons the CRY warfare suite on a burke is one of if not the most advanced in the entire world. The burke would know about the kirov so much sooner. Just a little plug for my fellow CTs out there

[@RollingDeathStar]

I’ve always enjoyed your videos, but my big question is: despite multi mission platform capability, why wouldn’t you compare cruiser to cruiser? Why not show us what the Ticonderogas can do? We never seem to hear about them.

[@ScottySundown]

Yes. The Kirov’s Shipwrecks wouldn’t even be an issue once it was detected and engaged by the ABCD miles outside of its envelope

[@Gunni1972]

What does that even mean? Who launches missiles outside of their envelope? And the Kirov classes Radars are mounted higher up from sea level, so it physically has longer range. Not sure if serious, when Aaron says "It wouldn't even know it was in a fight, when it gets hit". Tomahawks are a known issue since the 80's too. and SM2 and SM6 are not that hard to detect.

[@ScottySundown]

@@Gunni1972 The shipwreck’s envelope

[@chandlerwhite8302]

@@Gunni1972And the Kirov’s radars were probably stolen and parted out on the black market while Yeltsin was still in office.

[@ericThaBarbaric]

@15:30 was u talking bout turning the pier into a Nikolai Tesla lightning show? I worked on the SLQ-32Aa(v)3 for years - the v(3) and v(4) can turn an area the size of a football stadium into the world’s largest microwave oven in a hurry brah.

[@ARDRI2009]

Wouldn’t a Tico comparison to Peter the great be a better analysis?

[@youngstunna1594]

You think a tico could hold out against a single Pete?

[@CptJistuce]

​@@youngstunna1594Probably, yeah.

[@youngstunna1594]

@@CptJistuce I feel like that’s asking a lot but with what evidence we’ve witnessed these past couple years…I agree 😂

[@CptJistuce]

@@youngstunna1594 At this point, it is hard to believe we ever thought Russia was a serious military power. But seriously, even the best ship will fold without proper maintenance, and Russia seems to have been having trouble with that for a while now(as well as a longstanding propensity for overstating capabilities).

[@michaelkendall662]

@@CptJistuce at their height USSR's subs were no joke

[@acarrillo8277]

Fun fact the LM2500-30 engine core was originally developed for the C-5 Galaxy.

[@4rct1c9Ic3m4n]

3:18 Combining 2 nuclear reactors with boilers says a lot about the Russians' confidence in their reactor technology and their reliability

[@garynew9637]

Or redundancy for battle damage.

[@greggweber9967]

19:55 Sounds like a target wouldn't be at the circumference, nor near the center of the search area. Most likely IMHO the radius would be a Bell Curve with the center at one end and the circumference at the other.

[@sambojinbojin-sam6550]

It's wonderful just how much we know about Russia's radars.

[@robwilcox9296]

I was on a CG 378', which has twin turbines. We flew the birds a few times, that boat topped out at 32kph. I recall they added some 'trim' tabs to the transom of one of these boats and they picked up a knot or 2 more. Quite impressive.

[@michaelkendall662]

my Adams class DDG speed trialed at 36+ kts in 1984 after overhaul and she was 24 years old at the time

[@robwilcox9296]

@@michaelkendall662 Thats cruising!

[@michaelkendall662]

@@robwilcox9296 all 4 boilers online turning max RPMS with a good rooster tail out the back......MM hole snipe here.....#2 Engine Room

[@GTOGregory]

A great video comparison! The internet says there's 73 active Arleigh Burke class destroyers. Those are good numerical odds.

[@klaasvakie]

'The best in the world' ? - quite a confident statement!!

[@LordRambo]

Russian ship: has to be hauled out of port be tug boats because propulsion system defects. 1/4 weapons systems operating due to admiral stealing all the budget for private mansions. Radar never installed. Has electrical problems after a week at sea, tugboats need to be called back. Sinks on its own anyway. American ship: Underway two weeks behind schedule. Social Security and Medicare have to be defunded to fund the fleet deployment. Navy redistributes the money to new ship class that turns out to be a huge lemon. Existing fleet has its service life extended thirty years to compensate, taxpayer billed accordingly.

[@clamum9648]

Pretty cool that the Kirov has nuclear power. I'd think that our biggest ships (destroyers I guess? Do we even have cruisers anymore?) are going to have nuclear power before too long. I'd imagine lasers will be on them before too long and as far as I know those are quite the power hogs so it seems like nuke power would be required for that.

[@Juliet1106Tango]

We still operate a few Ticos, and Congress keeps starting and killing the CGX program. However, I don't forsee nuclear propulsion being in the future for most of our surface fleet. Like Jive mentioned, the gas turbines allow for our ships to be casting off under 30min. Nuclear reactors take a lot of time to safely start up unless you want them running while in port. The Zumwalts are great test beds for power hungry systems that will be implented on newer and future warships

[@Leon1Aust]

Are not Arleigh Burke Flight III destroyers designed and fitted out to work within a carrier battle group. Therefore would have reduced antiship/anti surface capability due to the carrier will be used mainly for those tasks thus would have increased anti air and anti missile capability with networking and more sophisticated technology. The Russian ship with all that goes with her or not with her i.e. lack off carrier escort, less capability in networking and situational awareness, and we have seen in Ukraine war lack of training and earlier technology... older , no matter how big she is she is far less capable. Arleigh Burke Flight III destroyers current and upcoming missiles will have multi use capabilities with antiship capability given to Tomahawk, SM6, SM2 and even ESSM not forgetting VLS launch capability of NSM and or LRASM. Lest not forget the Aussie designed Nulka, a (hovering electronic counter measure rocket) that hovers away from the ship to lure anti ship missiles out of harms way, very useful against old Russian anti ship missiles with active radars.

[@PirateCove-b6b]

Well, with Putin using antique trucks, tanks, artillery, his troops surrendering and refusing to fight, none existent air defence, top people taking flight and him drinking too much ego juice? I would say very, very slim.

[@michaelkendall662]

I was on a 4500 ton Adams class DDG 80-85....we had 70k SHP with our twin screwed 4 D class boiler turbines......90k SHP for 26k tons is not much

[@knowsmebyname]

The Kirov is a gorgeous ship. It looks awesome.

[@flurfdawg6611]

Why did Russia use non-euclidean geometry to design their superstructure? There's so much stuff in one ship.

[@baxtermullins1842]

The one that gets its weapons on target without getting hit!

[@chrissmith7669]

For their own troops or the enemy?

[@codedlogic]

Best ad segway - EVER!

[@youngstunna1594]

No more ciwis under the bridge of the block three??

[@BravoCheesecake]

They removed it, eventually they will add a DEW. For now the SLQ-32 can do the job.

[@youngstunna1594]

@@BravoCheesecake could you explain DEW please

[@BravoCheesecake]

@@youngstunna1594 Directed energy weapons. Systems like SSL-TM, ODIN, HELIOS and HELCAP. They're mainly meant to counter swarms of UAS where the standard Phalanx will quickly run our of ammunition.

[@chandlerwhite8302]

It’s being replaced by a laser system (Directed Energy Weapon)

[@KitsuneVoss]

Can the Peter the Great get underway? Deadliest on paper is meaningless if it is broke down in port.

[@hughmungus2760]

its currently undergoing a major overhaul and midlife upgrade. When its done it'll likely have the latest electronics and missiles.

[@KitsuneVoss]

@@hughmungus2760 I translate as sitting in port and rusting, unmaintained. Also we are talking about a nuclear vessel that has not been refueled in 45 or so years.

[@captainamerica3814]

Nice ship US Navy. Where are you going to get the sailors to man it? Recruitment is way down.

[@SubBrief]

I think the immigration through Texas and the Southern U.S. Border will fill the need.

[@cannack]

``our ship so stronk we padlock the damage control lockers`` RU navy (probably)

[@AirRider44]

You forgot the SM-3. Block IIA can intercept ICBMs and engage LEO satellites.

[@saltmerchant749]

We KNOW that the USN ships work in line with their published capabilities. IF Russian Navy ships worked in line with their published capabilities, they wouldn't be at the bottom of the Black Sea or the Barents Sea.

[@hughmungus2760]

So far the only thing Ukraine has been able to prove is that an ancient 70s era cruiser with no escorts, patrol boats/landing ships armed with only guns, and ships in drydock are easy to targets. Go figure. Immagine the US losing a coastguard ship or its last Spruance class destroyer. Do we say the US Navy is toothless?

[@CptJistuce]

​@@hughmungus2760Are you saying Russia has suffered literal years of embarrassment in a war they should've won in a week because they aren't trying? By any rational measure, they should have brought better hardware in to settle things decisively by now. I am forced to believe the show in Ukraine really is the best they can do.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@CptJistuce the ukrainian war machine is literally held aloft by NATO weapons and money. All ukrainian ammunition would have run out within the first couple of months of the war if they didn't have convoys of NATO hardware being shipped to them. This is no more an embarassament then the US war in vietnam. At least the Russian's aren't dropping agent orange on the Ukrainians.

[@dkoz8321]

Regarding Adm. Nakhimov. When, if, she is ready to go sea, and be single most powerfull surface combatant, she will have the same problem as Yamato, Musashi, Bismark, and Tirpitz battleships. She will be more or less alone, with FFG escorts, agsinst numerous foes. US Navy is not going to send a single Flight II or Flight III Burke DDG against her. If US Navy means to put her on the bottom or at least out of action, multiple Burke DDGs, VIrginia SSNs, F-35C, F/A-18E/F, USAF F-15E,and USAF B-1B will be sent against her. Not saying that she may Hood one or two Burkes, but in the end she will be on the bottom of the sea. In modern day Air-Sea-Land battle the only capital ships are carriers and SSBN's. Just like in WWII fighting ships will be DDG, FFGs, SSNs, and carriers. Throw in few LCS and missile patrol corvettes for littoral work and screening. These Death Star battle wagons are doomed. Just like Moskva cruiser.

[@ah244895]

How do we compare to the Chinese? That may be the real matchup.

[@ThomasStell]

Why compare a Cruiser to a Destroyer? Shouldn't that Burke be a Tyco?

[@Canthus13]

No. 'cruiser', 'frigate', destroyer', and so forth don't mean a whole lot any more. Kirovs and Burkes fill the same role.

[@michaelkendall662]

modern destroyers are as big a or BIGGER than historic cruisers.....ship designation is more the role and armaments anymore rather than size

[@ronmaximilian6953]

Hopefully we will have a DDG(X) in operation by the time the Russians finish refitting the Kalinin into the modernized Admiral Nakhimov.

[@hughmungus2760]

I wouldn't hold my breath. They can't even decide on the specifics on the DDGx much less get something built and tested and commissioned.

[@Canthus13]

Frist off - screw better help. Nobody should be pimping them. They're terrible and do more to hurt than help. But you get what you pay for. And second? Even a modernized Kirov would be a goner soon. Their navy couldn't withstand a slugging match with China, let alone the US. The Russian navy is largely a joke, with nothing really updated, very few large surface combatants, and the large ships they do have are too few to make much difference. Their navy is defensive and non-expeditionary for the most part, and isn't much of a threat to anyone. Hell, the vaunted Black Sea fleet is completely contained by a navy that barely has rowboats.

[@Gunni1972]

"Trust me bro, they'll not even know they are in a fight, when they are hit" Like Russia has no Satnav, that shows them EXACTLY where other ships are, ANYWHERE ON THEIR ROUTE. And Tsirkon will arrive at any range the SM-6 missiles fly, WAY before the sm-6 does. So yes, an Arleigh Burke might fire first, but it will never verify the hit. Even if it does hit. You know, there is something about being "the Best" at anything: People analyze, what makes you "The best", improve on it, train specifically for it. And beat you. You can't just sit on your style/Method, and claim it to be the best forever. Bruce Lee would be 84 years old. And i bet you anything, SOMEBODY could beat him today. (Either tought by him. or someone who detected a flaw in his style or movement) Nobody is PERFECT, repeatedly, or all the time. (Not without running into serious mental health problems usually called "Delusional"). That Level of skill or mastery just becomes a new "standard", others build upon. There is no shame in that. It's called evolution. Keeps us all busy, without solving problems, we obviously have. I bet there is a Pill that makes you feel "Invincible". You just can't afford it constantly because you know: "Supply chain issues", Margins and R&D costs, someone needs to cover, etc. It's all Baloney.

[@jeremiahmitchell6420]

Better Help sells their information to the tech giants.

[@Ironpancakemoose]

Easily the US, Russian maintenance is absolute ass, and severally degraded their capabilities. This also doesnt touch on their loyalty focused officer corp which further degrades crew competence. Russian weapons look great on paper but bad in practice.

[@Todd3246]

The Soviet Kirov class is sometimes referred to as a battlecruiser. This description arises from their over 24,000-tonne (24,000-long-ton) displacement, which is roughly equal to that of a First World War battleship and more than twice the displacement of contemporary cruisers; upon entry into service, Kirov was the largest surface combatant to be built since World War II. The Kirov class lacks the armour that distinguishes battlecruisers from ordinary cruisers and they are classified as heavy nuclear-powered missile cruisers (Тяжелый Атомный Ракетный Крейсер (ТАРКР)) by Russia, with their primary surface armament consisting of twenty P-700 Granit surface to surface missiles. Four members of the class were completed during the 1980s and 1990s, but due to budget constraints only the Pyotr Velikiy is operational with the Russian Navy, though plans were announced in 2010 to return the other three ships to service. As of 2021, Admiral Nakhimov was being refitted, but the other two ships are reportedly beyond economical repair. In naval terminology, a destroyer is a fast, maneuverable, long-endurance warship intended to escort larger vessels in a fleet, convoy, or carrier battle group and defend them against a wide range of general threats. Peter the Greats equivallent in the US navy would be ships like the TIcondaroga nuke missile cruiser and NOT a destroyer (event though it displaces 9800 Lton). For instance officially a destoyers displacement is meant to be in the range of 8,230 - 9,700 Ltons while the Kirov class cruisers are over 24,000 tons. The Ticonderoga class of guided-missile cruisers is a class of warships of the United States Navy, first ordered and authorized in the 1978 fiscal year. It was originally planned as a class of destroyers. However, the increased combat capability offered by the Aegis Combat System and the passive phased array AN/SPY-1 radar, together with the capability of operating as a flagship, were used to justify the change of the classification from DDG (guided-missile destroyer) to CG (guided-missile cruiser) shortly before the keels were laid down for Ticonderoga and Yorktown. It should be noted that even though the ticondaroga is such a light weight in comparison by displacement, its weapon systems and capabilities are far superior to PtG

[@ZappRowsdower]

With some Ukrainian modifications, Russia's warships seem to make great submarines. 😂

[@DRourk]

Good thing Russia doesn't need a navy to conquer Ukraine. Neverminding that Ukraine isn't doing anything on it's own to fight Russia, especially at sea. Wake up please.

[@xtbhxtnavy]

@@DRourk lmfao. Ukraine doesn't even have a Navy- yet they have decimated the black sea fleet. Keep dreaming.

[@silafaupaulmeredith7251]

You mean NATO not Ukraine.

[@ghostmourn]

Facts

[@ghostmourn]

@@silafaupaulmeredith7251if Russia was fighting NATO they wouldst have a navy within a week. So no, they meant Ukraine.

[@ivan7453]

How about letting the Ukrainians deal with Peter The Great. They are very good at turning Russian navy ships into submarines.

[@Todd3246]

And ukraine doesnt even have a navy

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

Here's a even better comparison to consider Peter the great V sea baby...

[@Gman-109]

I remember a couple years back when you did an analysis on the Kirov, in particular something about it's active sonar, you seemed like you had double dosed your Adderall or something, it was hilarious. RAAAAAH RAAAAAH, imitating the Kirov's active sonar. I'll have to find it now again, it was so awesome.

[@surg9029]

Burke top speeds are listed as 30+ knots

[@paulantony4598]

The twin of the Pyotr Vilikiy called Admiral Nakhimov is currently undergoing modernization. Wonder what it's capabilities will be then...

[@Dasycottus]

TBH, my money would still be on the Burke. Even if Russia conducted a full, proper modernization, the targeting systems on a burke are just so ridiculously good... If Habitual Linecrosser can only say "AEGIS IS A SCARY, SCARY BITCH" (that's a direct quote) that's all I really need to know. If you have to ask... you're in range. If you don't have to ask... You're still probably in range.

[@BetterThanLifeProd]

What? Why would you compare a Kirov class Battlecruiser to a Destroyer? The later Ticonderoga class is a better choice, but the ship that was specifically refitted to deal with the Kirov class was the Iowa Class, and that is the most comparable ship.

[@CptJistuce]

While I'm fond of the Iowa-class, they've all been decommissioned. There's none today which could engage an active military vessel.

[@BetterThanLifeProd]

@CptJistuce The've all been decommissioned before. The Wisconsin, Iowa and Missouri each 3 times and the New Jersey four or five times (I forget which). The New Jersey is currently in drydock at the Philadelphia Navy Yard undergoing maintenance. But if the US Navy were to go up against the Russian Navy,it is likely to be a USS Virginia Class or F-35s that deals with any Kirov class ships available, creating some new coral reefs. My point was that a Burke class is the wrong ship to compare to the Kirov class.

[@heisnotlongbutthin]

Haven`t seen the video but i, no we all already know the answear. In theory the USA has deadlier warships than Russia, in practice the USAs warships are even more deadly than we know and Russia has ships that fall so short of our expectations that they should be recassidied as coral reefs to be.

[@davidrobertson5700]

Peter the submarine

[@bryanhoppe1481]

The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal is a Russian air-launched ballistic missile (ALBM), not a surface to air missile

[@nick4506]

you can get 100k shp with only 2 lm 2500 +g5 these days. wonder if the new ones have these newer lm2500 giving more power then they are letting on. if the zumwalt came through the 155 l62 couldhave outrangeed the 130. that was an insane weapons system maybe it will be put on something in the future.

[@robbleeker4777]

At the rate Ukraine is deleting them, Russia soon may not have any ships..

[@ayylmao1558]

Does anyone remember what the classified stuff was about the ECM? Can it fry the missile's radar or something?

[@michaelkendall662]

ECM can do lots of stuff....spoofing, jamming, misdirection......do not believe it is powerful enough to give the return signal capable of knocking out a radar

[@janicmeier1]

Watch the Maersk Boston 50k t 300m long 32m beam and a Capacity of 4000 Containers it goes 37 knots whit 70k HP. The Arleigh Burke is 5 times lighter and has 30% more Power and better Airodynamics so 60 knots or more is Realistic.

[@billballbuster7186]

When you look at the Moskva, one of the the most capable ships in the Russian Navy was hit by two missiles, without even an alarm going off, and sunk. You have to question Russian capabilities and competence. There is also a huge difference between propaganda claims and actual capabilities.

[@Gridlocked]

Historically, you can see that the Russian Navy hasn’t really performed up to par.

[@billballbuster7186]

@@Gridlocked you are correct, during the Cold War Russia never came close to rivalling the West. Hundreds of lives were lost using unsafe technologies, bad nuclear reactors and faulty weapons.

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

Also might question every navy around the world !

[@Sho-td8wg]

On paper the Moskova should have downed 2 missiles several miles out. Had Jive ever war gamed just a harpoon or two sinking a Slava or Kirov they'd laugh him out the room. It's less about the design specs but the level of upkeep and training as these ships age.

[@brunol-p_g8800]

British ship hit by Exocets without even an alarm, US ship hit by Exocet without even an alarm,…. It doesn’t mean Russian (ex-soviet) ships are bad, it just means that for some reason the ship wasn’t capable of detecting the threat at the time.

[@RFMaster6]

So AdmNkmov is their Bismarck, got it.

[@Gubers]

Everything the Soviets made seemed to have been made with a time-lag or something. Like, those Soviet Battlecruisers would have rocked years before they came out. And after the USSR fell, Russia had little else but to continue on with Soviet technology. And with the corruption problems, it seems not much of it actually even works correctly. But even if it did, all of it is still behind the times. Russia's Navy seems like nothing more than a show for deterrence.

[@jono_cc2258]

If I were to take an educated guess the AB Flight 3 can hit a top speed of over 30 knots, with ease and for a sustained period.

[@bombarderoazul]

Do type 55 vs Ticonderoga

[@Syndr1]

I wonder if the Radar works?

[@donfully]

the russian cruiser is supposed to be the very poor man's carrier and even then the russians could afford only 1.

[@hughmungus2760]

No you're thinking of the aircraft carrying cruisers like the Kiev class, the Kirovs are proper frontline surface combatants.

[@donfully]

@@hughmungus2760 no it is a flagship carry massive amount of missiles to achieve force projection similar to a carrier. US destroyers act as compliments to a carrier in a battlegroup.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@donfully You could say that for all russian warships. Their surface warfare vessels were designed to perform an anti-surface role from the start.

[@jbeason2929]

Is the Nakhimov nuclear propelled as well?

[@schr75]

Top dome, not Big Dome

[@DestinationBarbarism]

USA obviously. USN is US main military arm. Russian navy is a secondary spoiler force. For Russia, the army is their main military arm. USA has twice as large population and is much richer per capita. And is completely dependent on its control of the seven seas.

[@jloiben12]

… Russia and navy are antonyms. America is being compared to a bar so low, we can’t even see it

[@JohnTBlock]

Bet that flight lll can come close to 40 knots!

[@Gunni1972]

I bet it can, once it hears that massive sonar PING.