USE OF TRACER BULLETS IN ANTI-AIRCRAFT SHIP DEFENSE ROYAL NAVY FILM 27624

[@paradoxicaloutcome1007]

Actually helped me better my AA aim in War Thunder. I know leading a target is obvious, but the idea of mostly ignoring your crosshairs and focusing your eyes on the target at the edge of your screen to see if your tracers are falling over or behind them was something I didn't think of. Again, it sounds obvious, but before this video I was focusing on my crosshair and how far away from the plane I think I'm supposed to lead, instead of watching the plane to see if my shots were actually getting there.

[@dominikgadecki475]

This guy has so tremendous accent that when i turn on captions it is detecting SPANISH! I totally love it!

[@rehancymasavage3468]

@Shawana Washington me too

[@mrdictator7030]

Portuguese for me

[@iantobanter9546]

Attack by low flying aircraft must indeed have been infuriating! Thanks for posting. My late dad graduated from HM S Excellent and went on to manning HM S PENELOPE 's pom poms. Higher altitude fw Condors were one of his particular banes.

[@LCdrDerrick]

Thank you Stewie, now I know how to take down a He-111. Hopefully the Kraut won't alter his speed, height and course too much!

[@tankolad]

LCdrDerrick If the enemy is constantly maneuvering in order to not get hit, he won't be able to carry out his bombing mission effectively. Preventing the enemy from dropping his payload is the main purpose of ground based aircraft *defence*. Whether the enemy plane goes down is sometimes irrelevant.

[@TwentytenS4B8]

That's the primary job of AA guns on warships. To keep enemy bombers from delivering their bomb load on target. This is all but impossible to do while having to dodge AA fire. It's also equally difficult for a fighter to effectively strafe a target if they cannot take a straight line. The only ones who were fairly difficult to throw off target with AA guns were dive bombers simply because of how they executed their attacks. Even a skilled gunner would have a hard time hitting a target diving at 400 MPH. They would try and tag them as they came out of their dive, but that was after they had released their bomb. Back then, gunners just threw a bunch of lead in the air and hoped for the best.

[@mikeromney4712]

@@TwentytenS4B8 Right. This was also the strategy at Malta as example....just a coordinated and constant dense screen of shrapnell in the aera, were the Stukas has to go trough in their dive in a columm.....From German side, Malta was known as the "Stukagrab" (Stuka grave) not for none reason.....

[@dancolley4208]

If I remember correctly, a level bomber cannot alter its altitude, direction or speed during a bomb run. Hundreds of Fortresses and Liberators were shot down by flak during a straight and level bombing run. Why? It's the bomb sight. Even the Norden sight which the USA used during WW2 needed a stable platform.

[@Stigstigster]

The Queen's English of this narrator is absolutely smashing! Absolutely wizard!

[@WilmerCook]

No it's imperial!

[@wanderer7755]

Spiffing

[@Stigstigster]

@@wanderer7755 Indeed, what what!

[@dukenukem8381]

That will help me in war thunder

[@koenman5534]

lol, thought i was the only one

[@noncontradiction]

Are you a gamer sir?

[@pokenaut7803]

I can shoot a plane down with a tank gun now.

[@dukenukem8381]

i jump of the mountains, and ram planes with my tank :D

[@pokenaut7803]

lol

[@taylorc2542]

People inherently understand lead nowadays because of video games, but it was mostly foreign back then.

[@skyscall]

Taylor C That's an interesting way to put it. Hadn't come to mind that most of these folks have only ever shot handguns at ranges where "point and click" mostly applies

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

And this, this is very close from an early "video game" ! This is very well made !

[@kenneth9874]

People that hunted moving game understood lead very well

[@nottherealpaulsmith]

"Look at this bottle of Guinness. I'm going to take it well out of your reach..." i feel like that was a deliberate snub

[@welshpete12]

I once had a conversation with a Ex-British Marine who had fought at the landings in Italy. He said he couldn't hit any enemy plane due to kick of those 22mm AA .

[@avro549B]

Wonderful accent! Obviously an officer and a gentleman. I have read that some fighter units found they achieved better results without tracer, because the ballistics were sufficiently different from normal rounds that it was misleading. (The other 4 were going somewhere else.)

[@Stigstigster]

In some WWII gun camera footage, both ground attack and air to air attacks, sometimes you can see the pilot do a wiggle with the rudder (I presume) so they can increase their chances of hitting a target and if they are hitting they'll hopefully do more damage to their enemy.

[@MPI1000]

I thought it had more to do with not alerting the enemy that he's fired upon and there really weren't that much time in typical situations to adjust the lead anyway.

[@avro549B]

That, too. Tracer sparklies whizzing past the cockpit have been known to suggest a change of course.

[@johnbeauvais3159]

avro549B I read that pilots would have the last 75 or 100 rounds tracer so they knew when they were running out

[@FrankieJames7]

that is also why germany liked explosive rounds that would all have the same BC and flied on the same trajectory as the other bullets, and exloded on impact to illuminate where they have landed. that is a major flaw of tracer, also, part of the bullet is burning away and that itself changes not only the weight but the entire BC from different drag

[@ATINKERER]

That was very good. If I remember correctly it took about 1,600 rounds fired of 40mm AA to hit and down one airplane. And it took about 10,000 rounds of .50BMG to take one down. That's hard to believe isn't it?

[@Waldenmattfinish]

Well you are probably correct. If guns were good the guided missile wouldn't be req'd. Flak would be better I guess.

[@skyscall]

It's very situational but yes those are averages. Though typically you'd only need a single successful hit with a high explosive 40mm to down most aircraft, including larger medium bombers

[@InsectSpray]

Not un believable after playing Warthunder.

[@Scott11078]

@@InsectSpray Right? Lol! I must admit that feels about spot on for the Bofors but I think I use far less ammo with the quad .50's.

[@71tofu]

@@InsectSpray War Thunder even in simulator mode is HIGHLY inaccurate. For example, take a bi plane. Regardless of the sort, a 40mm HE round smacking the engine housing or pilot compartment would instantly kill the engine or pilot respectively. However, that's not the case as, most of the time, little to no damage is done unless the dice rolls say it is. In reality, both of those hits would be fatal or require immense amounts of luck not to be. The reality is that leading an AAG is exceptionally difficult. These situations given have not at all taken into account wind and ship movement, either by swells or by evasive maneuvers, and therefore do not represent the actual reasons why so much ammunition is actually used. Compare this to missiles and you can rapidly see why they're so useful. A tracking or guided missile cares only a little about relevant speeds and wind gusts. Compare this to how Gajin thinks SPAAGs work and the reason why they think so much ammo is used and you'll start to understand that, as far as dev companies go, they clearly have little experience in how weapons of war work and why the statistics are what they really are.

[@rawnukles]

"The blighter got away with it !" lol

[@rrrohan2288]

gotta love that narrator voice. makes everything seem proper

[@possiblycrazy442]

"Triple A: You're not hitting until something blows up." Alternately: "Triple A: You're not hitting until you can't tell how you're missing."

[@spiffinz]

ha

[@alancurssow9030]

This is the cause of graaavaaitay 3:04

[@austinfranklin9654]

Gives the projectile a curved tragic-traaay

[@Variety_Pack]

He's getting hits but no damage! damn sparks! screw you, Gaijin!

[@atoddmiller]

War is hell, poor innocent Guinness had to die for a silly demonstration.

[@mrgumball2978]

War is war and hell is hell. In hell everyone's a sinner, But in war everyone's just a bystander.

[@fabulousfenec9733]

Mr Gumball damm

[@Chrinik]

I think this "watching the target" mantra is all fine and dandy when you are the only gun firing at a target...but with a good dozen or two guns firing at the same target, finding our which are your tracers and which are not is probably impossible. If you look at footage from Kamikaze runs on US ships, the amount of AAA fire going at them is immense, they are just trying to errect a wall of bullets.

[@TheAngrySaxon1]

Obviously, but it was worthwhile training nevertheless.

[@thatguy4305]

this is a british training film, not a US one though. Brits know how to use their AA

[@Chrinik]

I´m pretty certain "firing one gun at a time to not confuse everyone shooting, chaps" is not and was not an employed or indeed effective method of the british navy.

[@thatguy4305]

probably not. but i could imagine them not firing a dozend guns at a single airplane in an actual combat situation where there is more than one target. i dont really have a clue though.

[@Chrinik]

If there is more than one aircraft within your range, expect to be hit. Also, other ships within your convoy might also fire at your target. Again, I just think that it would be incredibly hard to destinguish your tracers from someone elses in the event that there is multiple guns firing at one target...

[@daveybernard1056]

Watching this for upland bird season!

[@feynthefallen]

You hunt them piur burdies with pom-poms and tracers?!

[@robertbrodie8186]

Very interesting! One small point: as this is a Royal Navy production, what about changing 'defense' to 'defence' (UK English)?

[@RedRocky54]

Huh, I'd always thought the usage was that defense was a verb while defence was more of a noun. Never realized it was a US vs UK thing.

[@JonnKammeron]

The Idea That Everything Falls At 33 FPS/S Towards The Center of The Earth Irrespective of Any Horizontal Velocity It Has Is Helpful. Thanks Again For These Great Educational Videos.

[@claudioferreira6062]

thanks to the proximity fuse. it helped a lot

[@jasonisbored6679]

But was first developed for the 40mm bofurs, before the pom-poms British sailors would often have.

[@joea1433]

"The blighters got away with it!"

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

I love ww2 Navy videos

[@jasonisbored6679]

Brought here by the need to improve my war thunder AA performance with a dual 40mm bofurs. They had it figured out.

[@raininmuffins5132]

Did this video actually help? Am considering watching it

[@Tactical_Wars]

thanks bro for uploading this documentary .. I like it 👍

[@andyharpist2938]

Those of you having been under air attacks ..will know how infuriating such attacks can be!

[@jacketrussell]

Frightfully annoying. Beastly things!

[@iantobanter9546]

Rather, old boy.

[@gindrinker69]

Pthx for the upload been looking for ways to protect my convoys will def try this out

[@WirelessOctopus]

Thanks! Just what I wanted!

[@jcirvine38]

I thought the tracers really helped when firing the deck mounted 50 cal. at my ships target, the giant orange balloon!😊

[@SnackyZac]

Sent from war thunder reddit. Much the help is much apreciated.

[@clist9406]

Back when old timers had to aim and lead into target. Much easier now with electronic targeting systems

[@nottherealpaulsmith]

Even then, there were advanced fire control systems that compensated for lead. Check out the B-29's computer!

[@Sha.ll0w]

Ok but what exactly do I do if I'm in a Wirbelwind and there are 4 tracers going in random directions at the same time?

[@yatokami7907]

shalol You can't possibly miss when you're putting as much lead downrange as a wirbelwind

[@andrewf6711]

Yato Kami no it is easy to miss with German 20mms. It is impossible to miss with 50. cals

[@sam21462]

That was interesting and I guess I could do that better now if ever needed.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

not that complicated but hard to react quickly to what you observe. And it isn't always easy to observe if the tracer is behind or in front when it flies so fast with clouds in the background. Can't imagine doing this on a constantly changing course fighter and ship under combat stress.

[@jitendersingh-yb5ic]

No airplanes were harmed in making of this video.

[@YaoiMastah]

It took me a while to realise this video was in English. I can only imagine the recruits sipping yasmine tea and eating crumpets while watching this instructional video.

[@ValerieBlackhart]

aiming at today's slower civilian aircraft is a piece of cake

[@Reyeoux]

You do realize even the slowest modern jets can outrun virtually any piston aircraft from WW2

[@lucid__enigma]

That blighter really was infuriating!

[@ThomasGabrielsen]

1:44 What a great actor! :-)

[@polostone8876]

"you bastard"

[@MrThestarcops]

Blimey

[@NeuronalAxon]

You rotters!

[@Wotinkermation]

i don't know why but just listening to li-fi and it working with this video It just fits for some reason

[@soldtobediers]

Reckon this training would have been more hands on 'Muscle Memory' for the Gunners, had they had fire hoses centered @ their barrels end, in order to see & feel these cartoons in action... as they targeted the movement of say an oncoming or side passing ground vehicle? Bet that bottle of Guinness kept a lot of those gunner's attention span's afloat. -Former Recondo Sgt. "Rock" 82nd Abn. 1/504 Inf. '71-'74 4517

[@IronCascade]

My goodness my Guiness!

[@sporkeh90]

People were so patient before the internet.

[@BradleyHoff-ck5kw]

strangely soothing.

[@backinblack03]

Leave it to the Brits to use a bottle of Guinness as a teaching aid

[@stoneblue1795]

I can hear Jed Clampet saying "well doggies.... them ones that misses sure is purdy.... but why not just use a rifle that shoots straight? if that one was mine, I would leave it bend around a fair sized oak tree for good luck ".

[@blameusa7082]

No airplanes were harmed in the making of this film.

[@keijo8238]

finally footage of a pom-pom firing

[@rrhone]

This will help my aim, that's for sure. (excellent video, very educational and informative) TY

[@josephomalley1526]

I'm off over the shop for a Guiness !

[@ViperGTS737]

the best bit 15:45

[@knightowl3577]

My Dad was an AA gunner in WWII but he definitely didn't talk with that accent.

[@Mp57navy]

How to lead targets 101. Every kid these days knows the theory, from computer games. :)

[@kenneth9874]

We learned on real game

[@cavemanballistics6338]

They where to drunk Guinness to hit anything! :)

[@feynthefallen]

Those poor Guinness bottles! That's alcohol abuse, that is!!!

[@LewdCustomer]

I'm ready, Captain. Send me in.

[@99IronDuke]

Interesting stuff.

[@RyzawaVT]

I can sleep to this.

[@crustyplunger8738]

they need to upgrade their number of experienced gunners 1:47

[@country_flyboy]

Then again, shaking fists at the airplane would still be better than the 20 mm on any American subchaser.

[@jonamuk7]

Good NOW i'm ready for the next meme war.

[@gasfeefees6647]

I say, Fritz is in a spot of trouble up there.

[@samsonn25]

Hard to do quickly Aim ahead, and to also observe tracer as you are continually tracking the target and have to adjust space for aim while obcerving

[@ramairgto72]

8:29 My OCD was killing me.

[@jonjor.9094]

i thought it was just Me!

[@clawsewitz4316]

Super trippy vid, had me seeing tracers

[@willb3698]

The narrator made "Trajectory" rhyme with "Gravity" 3:10

[@dermotrooney9584]

Lovely. Cheers.

[@StormCougarTypeZero]

Tracers work both ways

[@grendelum]

In case they didn’t mention it enough, *_dont blink,_* and don’t take your eyes off the target.

[@rfletch62]

Animated tracers are still better than "Fury".

[@marksolarz3756]

Tracers work well when both are relatively stable. Moving targets,odd angles required practice. William Bong”Most guys could fly well enough,but couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn”. A certain rogue English pilot,removed all tracers,....he didn’t need them! Tracers also give away position,.......there likely to get returned by artillery or a bomb!

[@88porpoise]

For air to air combat and ground to air combat things are very different. Generally, these light AA guns were as much about disrupting attacks by making the pilot nervous as they are about shooting down aircraft. Of the the big issues for Prince of Wales and Repulse when they were sunk is they had no tracers. So Japanese pilots didn't even realize they were being shot at until they were hit.

[@eddievhfan1984]

15:50 is better than 10:29, but the pour could be better. :P

[@Boppinabe]

10:29 NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@richardbell7678]

Its Guinness Extra Stout. They still brew it. Some people would even say that what was done to the bottle was no worse than what Guinness Extra Stout does to their pallet. I happen to enjoy the taste of burnt cork, but Guinness Extra Stout is very much an acquired taste that is not for everyone.

[@geoben1810]

Proximity fuse artillery shells when they were developed, made some difference later in war.

[@88porpoise]

Not for this. These guns didn't have proximity fuses until the 1970s, the shells weren't big enough.

[@Vjdude101]

@@88porpoise he prob meant the timed fused flak round.

[@88porpoise]

@@Vjdude101 Timed fuzes existed long before the war and were used in heavy AA guns, not these.

[@kenneth9874]

@@88porpoise proximity fuses were used by the allies in ww2

[@88porpoise]

@@kenneth9874 Not in guns relevant to this video. This video is about 20 and 40mm guns. VT fuses would be for heavy AA guns like the five inch (127mm) gun, which were large enough to house a VT fuse and carry enough explosives to be effective bursting nearby. In addition the guns large enough to use VT fuses didn't have high enough rates of fire to track onto target with tracers as described in this video. Radar control of guns would be the significant improvement for these types of guns late in the war.

[@Slaktrax]

Having to listen to that plummy voice all day would drive me nuts.

[@gavsky23]

The blighter got away with it...

[@aleramone23]

Thanks to You Tube now i know how to down a plane with an AA gun.

[@MrFusselig]

Only with a pom-pom AA gun :)

[@fawkq2786]

THAT SHITT WAS DOpE!

[@jacketrussell]

How to win the war with Mr Chumley - Warner. 🤣

[@snipereliete]

Awsome

[@madlarkin8]

year produced?

[@pizzafrenzyman]

SAMs are so much more effective.

[@Gromitdog1]

Like blitzkrieg for the apple 2

[@kacper38]

1:17 is Stevie voice from family guy

[@SexyLilSeaOtter]

It’s actually a lot better to follow the tracer rather than the target when tracking a target moving left to right or right to left. But eh whatever.

[@Macintoshiba]

your eyes are hearr and the targer is hearr

[@jfloresmac]

I thought it was easier than this

[@LCMNUNES1962]

Ok brasil.

[@littlerascal2753]

10:31 - a horrible thing to do to an innocent bottle of guinness!!!

[@mekafinchi]

war thunder spaa training

[@gerry343]

Don't 'e talk nice ?

[@mickleblade]

thank god most of those inbreds will breed themselves out of existence

[@Finn-pe7uj]

Mickleblade is that a hint of jealousy? The noble tribes of Ængland are under threat, but remember that the "inbred" stereotype largely came from Jewish and German aristocracy in England. We had poor teeth for a few generations due to awful diets, pollution and vitamin D deficiencies during the industrial revolution. Another factor is that the most beautiful women were taken from Britain to Scandinavian countries as slaves during the Viking period. Remember, the majority of Americans and Australians are ethnically descendants of British tribes. Allow our homeland to fall and you have lost your heritage.

[@dunruden9720]

Real posh like innit?

[@AG-le3ee]

annndddddd theyre all deaf now. especially the dude at 1:26

[@socke243]

The aircraft would appeiaar hieaar

[@EWillard44]

It would appeaah nyaah

[@funnyrabbitflyer6855]

The togit is hyeh.

[@Stikkzz]

how to aim for dummies

[@kenneth9874]

Try it on a moving target at distance sometimes and see how you do

[@francisrizzo2988]

There's a Heinkel whan whan whan

[@Motorman2112]

3:03, no shit.

[@dancolley4208]

What a waste of a good bottle of stout !!!

[@waynerainey2606]

holy crap, there's a UFO at 6:58

[@gabrielwottrichdobrachinsk6333]

15:41 Uhum Commander, wtf?