Used hybrid cars are TOTALLY WORTHLESS. BMW 330e battery cost?!

[@robg521]

Was in the dealership last week and discussed ordering my new car, they hinted at a hybrid and I cut them off, “Don’t even go there, I have nowhere to charge at home so I would be lugging a heavy battery around with no benefit, and if you suggest an EV I’m walking out the door” They laughed … so it’s the diesel the same as last time then.

[@MusicLovingFool1]

Excellent!!!

[@arcadeuk]

Most brands don't even sell diesels anymore since around 2020

[@chrishart8548]

Not even tempted by a mild hybrid the battery isn't big enough to make a weight difference. It takes in some charge with hills. And the motor really helps the engine in the lower rpm range.

[@eyesodd]

What brand, it's getting harder to find manufacturers still making diesels.

[@alexandrustefanmiron7723]

I was looking into what is currently available and I've seen around a bmw 740d! Looks okay! I think I'll buy that second hand in a couple of years!

[@coconutBarnes]

I had a BMW 323, about 10yrs old but excellent running condition. It sprung a leak in the radiator and when I took it to the local BMW dealership they recommended I SCRAP IT! I had it repaired at a local garage for £400 and it lasted me another 5yrs before I sold it on to a new owner. What next THROW AWAY HOUSES?

[@marcusnolte7476]

throw away houses? If we let politicians go through with their ideas, we are already there. The "energetic upgrades" they want you to have make most older (20 years +) homes worthless...

[@BobCarolgees-p8f]

Actually look at the materials used in new build houses and the answer is yes !!

[@Alexander_l322]

Have you seen new build houses, they are as throw away as it gets 😂

[@cedhome7945]

Whole housing estate's have had to be rebuilt because of the dreadful build quality. Bradley Stoke North of Bristol coming to mind

[@frankhaney8535]

Last year I bought a manufacturer approved used Mazda 6. Earlier this year when its MOT and service was due I took it to my local Mazda dealer, mostly so that if they found any major problems arguing about the warranty would either be easier or not necessary. The MOT came back with advisories for the brake discs and they quoted me about £900 for discs and pads. (I don't remember the exact prices but it was £300+ for the rear and £500+ for the front. I suspect he quoted it like that to make it sound cheaper.) I took it to a trusted local mechanic who quoted me less than £450. When he got started on the work he called me to ask why I wanted the discs and pads changed because there was nothing wrong with them. He charged me £30 + VAT for half an hour labour. I won't be taking it back to the main dealer. Love the car, hate the dealer.

[@stephenmitchinson6682]

thats how the big dealerships make the big money, from parts and labour ar over £100 an hour. its crazy. the guy at arnold clark told me this.

[@sirjohng1]

Why buy a car with TWO engines that is very heavy and the complication adds to failures and thus maintenance costs. Add to this TWO FUEL sources to contend with of which one is likely to self ignite and explode the other.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

the problem is the battery not the motor, also toyota hybrids are very well made and proven, you can see uber and taxi using them everywhere.

[@matthewharding-ew1ts]

I've had through my working life many different company cars including Mercedes, BMW's and a top range Lexus. Now semi retired I have a fiat 500s. Cheap as chips on everything. Happy days

[@KarmaCorner]

Back in the day, people broke in to steal the Blaupunkt radio or steal the pepper pot alloys off the XR2 Not there breaking in to steal everything from idrive, seats, stearing wheels as modern ev - hybrid- electic cars & electronics are so so expensive.

[@jazztheglass6139]

Blaupunkt Toronto or New York tape players, reccaro seats, the magnum wheels off a sweet capri. Quick £400 in the early 1980's

[@Plumbing-and-gas]

It could well be that by stealing a part that is easy to yank off but costs a fortune new, creates it's own second hand market. A steering wheel for example, .it's expensive, it doesn't ever go wrong so there wont be many spares stocked anywhere, so when 20 get nicked in one week the only way to get a replacement is to buy someone else's stolen one !

[@KarmaCorner]

@@jazztheglass6139 u know the dance👍🕺

[@Pugwash.]

The last time I dealt with a dealer was at Audi. The mechanism on our cabriolet was failing. After charging me about £1k to replace various parts to "fix" it, it was still failing. In the end they had to sit in the boot whilst operating the mechanism and found fault in one sensor. I dared them to charge me another penny to fix it! I'll never visit a main dealer again.

[@colinmcnally5931]

The Toyota Prius has been a massive success story. They will do hundreds of thousands of miles and still hold their money!! As for the rest of EV's, well, complete car crash!!

[@DavidMartin-ym2te]

You're right, but it's a shame they are so ugly.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@DavidMartin-ym2te no they arent ugly and also toyota prius isnt the only model, toyota has tons and tons of hybrids with the same tech on the corolla, yaris, aygo, rav4..... i´ve been seeing more and more of the camry from america in europe also as hybrid.

[@THEBADWOLFPROJECT]

Amount of Prius Ubers.

[@MusicLovingFool1]

@@carholic-sz3qv Matter of opinion...but knowing the cost of loss of life around lithium mining...I am going to disagree. Research African lithium mining and now they want to do land grabs in America for these ores. Imagine that.

[@esm7708]

​@@MusicLovingFool1you should probably check what oil companies get up to in Africa etc. The only positive is that lithium needs to only be mined once and sodium batteries are quickly gaining traction.

[@Tel-f7w]

My 2010 Toyota Yaris is very happy thank you

[@Chris.]

I've been looking at getting one of these as they are so cheap, then I read into how long the batteries last, I'm getting a diesel Merc instead

[@BionicRusty]

Check out the Toyota GR engine failure claims. They have a hidden gps tracker and if the car logs a speed over 85mph, all claims are immediately rejected.

[@matthewrowe9903]

Seriously wtf

[@lesliecowling2427]

I looked at a 5 series hybrid the battery was over 200kg, the boot was shrunk by over 100 ltrs and the fuel tank was downsized by 28 ltrs to 40 ltrs (same size as a polo). so I went for a 3ltr 6 cylinder diesel and feel terribly everyday polluting the atmosphere but filling the tank once a month

[@dazdoestip6459]

What people get wrong about plug in hybrids is that if you drive it around town you will achieve the stated milage or surpass it, now if you drive a lot on motorways it is a waste of time and you shouldn't buy one. I own 330e and sometimes I think that fuel in the tank will go bad due to how little of the engine I use, but then if I need to go somewhere further it's not a big deal.

[@BionicRusty]

Highpeak just had an IDrive stolen off the forecourt. 😬

[@bigjml]

From a diesel.

[@bobphillips2188]

Mine cost £8K 9 years ago, as an 8 year old car (V70 D5), same money as stoopid BMW you are talking about now. I don't anticipate any major issues re-engine - these can last 3-400K, and mine uses zero oil between annual oil changes - or gearbox (manual, never buy an auto!), and recent jobs eg engine mounts, a brake calliper, front discs 2 years ago, are par for the course with any 160K mile car (first front disc swap in 17 years). The car owes me nothing, should last till he's 25 years old. He still does between 40 and 60 mpg, and never less than the former. I am saving the planet single handed!

[@thebiglebowski4309]

My kid here in Oz.. has 1998 Honda Civic. 190000KMs... still runs sweet as a nut.

[@timfagan816]

My subaru legacy estate is currently at 387,000kms. Bit it's done waaaaay more than that, as the speedo stops working when I have less than ¼ of a tank of petrol, which I usually have because I hate paying $2.90 a liter in new Zealand for 91. I reckon it's done closer to 410,000kms. Still runs sweet as a nut.

[@eyesodd]

I have a 98 Volvo with less than 100k on the clock, mint, runs lovely, but not ulez compliant.

[@helenmcclure]

My 2006 Honda Civic is still ticking along nicely. No intention of replacing it. That’s the thing with old Hondas. Service them once a year & they last for ever.

[@TheCiller10]

I have a Mercedes e300 hybrid, the hybrid battery new from Mercedes is £11k to get the original battery reconditioned is £800. Because it’s a mild hybrid the hybrid system can be disconnected aswell. I’ve no adblu or egr because it’s a 2014 and merc were having issues with the bluetec system at the time so it doesn’t have it. Great car I’ve had it 4 years and not done much other than standard service and tyres

[@turokforever007]

Reconditioned just means they (should cycle each cell ) then replace the bad ones but your next charge still damage one of the older cells. So not worth the risk

[@chrishart8548]

Is it a diesel hybrid then ?

[@TheCiller10]

@@chrishart8548 yea it’s a diesel hybrid gets nearly 50 mpg when driven normally

[@TheCiller10]

@@turokforever007 I’ve had no issues since that was 3 years ago

[@pistonburner6448]

I would suggest you try to at least get the model name of your car right.

[@arcadeuk]

A while ago I looked into getting a BMW ActiveHybrid 7, as there are loads of them cheap, with a dead battery. Then I found out that despite the battery being tiny and having almost no range, the used batteries are £5-6k. All this to get 3-4 extra mpg. They never ever repay the cost of the extra electrical junk in saved fuel. I don't want any form of EV or Hybrid, they all have the exact save problem, which is an expensive battery that makes the car disposable once the battery dies. It's sad that I can never own a car newer than the ones I already have

[@DaleSteel]

I sell cars. I'm selling a 530e. It's a great car BUT can't give it away

[@John-m5k4r]

If you’re giving it away, I’ll take it! 😉😂👍🏻

[@stevenc5227]

Battery is not a problem, replacing the battery is the problem, the prices need to come down, who pays 10k for a battery for a 7k car? and then i think who is making all the money out of these batteries? the government must have their hand in the till.🤣

[@chrishart8548]

​@@stevenc5227I thought it was more like £10k for the working hybrid car. Then £16k for the battery. This means even if someone gave you the car for free it would still cost £16k and then only be worth £10k !

[@stevenc5227]

@@chrishart8548 Yes its so retarded i don't even want to think about it🤣

[@pistonburner6448]

It's a great car just like the 330e is (and even better is the Merc W205 350e and 300e), but only with a long used-car warranty. I bought my numerous hybrids in Germany with low miles and 5 years of warranty. No stress owning them and easy to sell on. Without warranty? Never. My 330e had its HLE-module (high voltage electronics) get fried due to a voltage spike coming through the charger. Cost? Well over 4000€ (plus labour I believe), and it took a month to get fixed. Worst of all, I thought approved high-quality chargers won't let such voltage spikes through, but the guys at the service department say it happens occasionally, they see it all the time. So PHEVs are ticking time-bombs of huge cost repairs! Only with warranty.

[@mikadavies660]

The hybrid Range Rover which has known issues with its battery pack, costs £22,000 to replace. Clearly these parts cost are pure insanity.

[@Phiyedough]

There is no brand new car I would want to buy. If I had that sort of money I would get the best Morris Minor I could find. No electronics to go wrong, no silly plastic manifolds or wet belts, no heavy, fire hazard EV battery, proper steel bumpers instead of brittle plastic, doors and windows that still open after a crash, no big garage bills because I could repair it myself.

[@jordangeoffrey]

Banger-nomics will never be beaten.

[@chrishart8548]

I was 17 cars in with banger nomics. I have a 13 year old car now and had it from 2 years old it basically always been garaged. Previously bought a 6month old car it lasted 16 years.

[@Sidistic_Atheist]

Why is nobody suing these dealers. That are making spurious claims about the performance. And quoting vast amounts of money for repairs or maintenance costs. ????

[@bertibear1300]

I wonder about these hybrids too.Thanks Jeff.I am after a small car .

[@bobthebarsteward]

I had a 330e (briefly) a year ago. Lovely car to drive, bought it from Evans Halshaw in Gateshead. They'd not done any of the presales preparation they'd promised, neither had they repaired a couple of faults it had before sale (steering rack ball joint and fuel filler cap not opening - a common 330e fault, easy fix, a sensor that fails). They agreed to take it back in to do the work, but then told me they were going to refund me the price of the car as it was uneconomical to repair. The reason for this was main dealers don't repair, they just replace, then there's the hourly rate on top of the part cost, so thousands of pounds for a new fuel tank and steering rack, rather than replace the ball joint and sensor. I toyed with the idea of doing the work myself but there was also this other problem which I wasn't sure it had, never had the car long enough to find out, and it was the 330e's biggest problem, no, not the battery (which is a tiny thing under the boot floor, not a massive one), but the electric motor drives the car via the gearbox, in 6th or 8th gear, not sure which, and the gearbox was never designed for this, so gives up. The car was £14,500, I got that back, but lost hundreds on lost insurance and the contents of the car were never all returned. I noticed a while later, the car was back up for sale, at a much lower price, and it still had the lead for the lost dashcam hanging out the trim, and my puncture repair kit in the boot!

[@spunkbubble1]

When I was a kid, I had electric cars and I made engine noises. Do adults with electric cars make engine noises when they’re driving?

[@Friedeh420]

Vroom Vroom

[@12point131]

BMW hired famous composer Hans Zimmer to make futuristic vroom vroom sounds for them.

[@esm7708]

One the Hyundai's does noise and fake gear changed. Amazingly it's quite fun

[@chrishart8548]

No😂 we don't like engine noises anymore we don't see the reason for the noise it's just not needed

[@SeraiNephthys]

@@chrishart8548 That's a bit sad, I drive a 5 pot volvo D5, and the soundtrack from the engine is part of the whole experience.

[@therealdojj]

And yes, dealers 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 And don't even get me started on the RAC woman who asked if my van was manual or automatic when the clutch pedal snapped on a vivaro People have not been trained to the levels they need to be at before they are out to work in jobs they are ill suited to be in Just look at the current government 🤦

[@kevinmoffatt]

The woman RAF officer who got one million compo because someone called her ballsy. I hate to think how much she would have expected if an enemy shot at her. Obviously joined up for the power trip and pretty uniform

[@hamshackleton]

How did you manage to snap a pedal?

[@therealdojj]

@@hamshackleton i take it you've never "experienced" the build quality of a vauxhall vivaro have you...🤣

[@hamshackleton]

@@therealdojj No, I've been driving a diesel Berlingo for the last 15 years. I did have a Viva, then a Chevette way back, they rotted away around me!

[@markscott7467]

I’ve a 530e and it’s excellent for my needs. I regularly get 70mpg over 100mike journey in the highlands of Scotland. It’s lovely and has plenty go about it. I’ve also done over 1600 miles on a holiday to the Lake District. I managed 69.8mpg and I don’t hang about. I think they are a great alternative.

[@Nomorespursy]

Hi Geoff. I used to be one of those people who used to buy a new car every couple of years, and the money lost was incredible. About 12 years ago I bought a Camero 1978 for £2000, had it for many years sold it for £5000. I found the answer, buy older cars cheap. My wife now drives around in a nissan note over 10years old paid £1300 for it years ago she uses it daily and we could probably get our money back off it. FREE motoring. I have a 1999 Toyota land cruiser I could get more money for it than what I paid. Both are cheap as chips. My back street mechanic Steve is so reliable and affordable. Just doing my bit for the environment.

[@John-m5k4r]

Enjoy your time with your family!

[@severnsea]

I've said the exact same thing about EVs for the past 5 years, namely who is going to spend £7 - what I paid for my used diesel, and around the most I will ever spend on a car - if that car is going to have 10 year old batteries that will cost a five-figure sum to replace if they fail, I'm not interested, and neither will millions of other people be. That's why EVs will never work. The vast majority of people drive a car worth less than £10k and the government (and the entire EV community) isn't taking any notice of that. You can find a recon engine for a 10- year old ICE car for less than a couple of grand in most cases, same with gearboxes and so on. It's not even a debate.

[@BusbyTreeSurgery]

took a transit to a dealer to get the new ignition module set up on their computer. we had done the fault finding and the replacement so all they had to do was make the key start the new set up on a van that was on its last legs. over a grand later they called to let us know it was ready. lovely waiting room big colour telly and a bunch of flowers on the desk, my boss said to the parts guy he expected a meal and a bottle of whisky before being shafted but the flowers would do. we sat and tore them a new one till the van was hurriedly brought from the workshop. i made sure they would have a cleaning bill from my oily overalls on all their nice seats. we had to take this back to a customer and tell the old lady she was paying as much for this little repair as she paid for the van.

[@boosted242]

Love that F40 in that stack of hot wheels cabinet! :) Fav Supercar ever!

[@DaleSteel]

I've got a 530e on 71k miles. Battery still has full capacity

[@eyesodd]

Company car or private purchase?

[@pistonburner6448]

No, it does not. It only shows that according to the board computers. In reality your battery has degraded a lot, it is just masked by the buffer they have from the start.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

How old is the car?

[@matthewrowe9903]

And what? How does your lack of issues negate those that do have problems?

[@barriewilliams4526]

I accidentally left the window down on my 2010 Toyota Aygo whilst it was parked at the supermarket. Far from it being stolen, someone had left a £20 note on the seat......

[@JeffersonHumber]

I foresee future issues with normal hybrid cars with the 48v batteries (non-plugin style). Be interesting to see the prices for the replacements of these.

[@s.m.mediaproductions5304]

The manual transmission SWAP on my 1993 Merc 300E was $8000 USD with parts and labor. But that's a swap, and on my favorite sedan ever. So it's well worth it for me. Originally it had the automatic, so a lot had to be done.

[@Willems378]

I drive a 330e and indeed the battery is a lot of weight and when you drive without a battery it is struggling to get below the 7.5l/100km. When I am able to charge every day I am able to get it down to about 4 - 4.5l/100km. I don't know the conversion to MPG. I have the feeling that the 330e is now with a lot of power just to be able to have a nice way to drive with all the weight. My old BMW E46 Diesel from 2001 is using 4.6l/100km but they are a problem according to a lot of governments.

[@chrishart8548]

It was just complicated expensive cars with cheap road tax. Or simpler realiable cars with expensive road tax. Is it really worth having Add blue, DPF, EGR, complicated direct injection, and a Turbo just to have £20 road tax.

[@joelbrown2782]

My M140i was capable on 42mpg on a run and 33mpg around town. Basically a thirsty 3 litre straight 6 is better on fuel that a 2.0 litre petrol.

[@tony40400]

Hey Geoff, thought i would throw this in ring, my last car was an Audi A6 2.4 auto, on a 55 plate, lovely car but it drank oil like a fish, then the electro handbrake failed could not move the car, managed to get the car to Audi who repaired it put in a new module and had it back 5 days later cost of £1800 which i thought was steep.... Car only had juat over 30000 miles on it genuine from Audi. Sold the car the next month and bough my lovely Jag Xf 3lt. Would never by Audi again. So much for the luxury side og CARS. LOVE THE VIDS .

[@ianchalklen1047]

My friend had a glow plug fault on his van and took it to the local dealer. This is possibly the largest in Kent having car,van and truck departments. They didn’t have the ability to remove a stuck glow plug and called in a mobile specialist…over a week later he got it back. I just don’t think the main dealer workshops are worth bothering with.

[@markjohnson7765]

Had a polestar 2 on lease for 50k miles, great drive BUT got stranded twice with charge port faults. Redundancy means that has now gone, what replaced it? A 150k 21 year old mini one d that was in the family already. No dpf, 58mpg and a fun drive. Did the polestar to experience a new car, but old stuff is cheaper to repair and can be more fun (also have a range of Saabs, ranging from 25 years to 50 years old!)

[@Battery-Powered]

The only good Hybrids IMO are those that come from Toyota/Lexus

[@EmmaKelly74159]

Thanks again Geoff. 😘

[@PeteTheL337]

I'm driving a plugin hybrid(2020 Seat Leon) myself. They can be pretty efficient on longer trips but you really have to experiment with the car to figure out how which is so ffing stupid. What is really holding the plugins back, the older ones at least, is the insanely slow charging speed couple with the fact that they will chew through the battery in no miles at all if you let it. I also wonder why it was only really Mercedes that gave diesel hybrids a go, cause that is one efficient combo even on a dead battery. Well we all know why, diesel is the new devil for some unscientific reasons. Cant have people be able to reach another country on 1 tank of fuel, no no.

[@mikeyfoxley7997]

I'm happy with my 57 plate clio 157k miles

[@esm7708]

That's because you don't have to look at it

[@mikeyfoxley7997]

@@esm7708 lol

[@DavidMartin-ym2te]

I have no cash for a new car being retired so I am keeping my 19 plate Suzuki (although I don't like it much, but there you go) my son's 11 plate Mini Cooper (which I bought...) and my 25 yo Defender 90 (which you correctly stated, you can keep putting bits on). All are serviced by the garage up the road (not a main dealer) for reasonable money and we are on first name terms (although the Defender is killing me!). I was astonished at some of these service prices - why are you people buying new? We have a few old Saab and Volvo owners round here in my neck of Perthshire and they have no intention of changing any time soon with these prices.

[@eyesodd]

A 19 plate Suzuki IS a brand new car to us Geoffers 😁

[@_analog_photo]

If new hybrid: Honda or Toyota only. Used hybrid: Toyota only. About cost of repairs: last year inspection and oil and filter change in my wife's Yaris Cross hybrid was 350€, this year was 620€. In my Dacia dci I got quote from official Renault to change timing belt, water pump, all fluids and some additional small stuff: 2500€. Maybe the government should print even more money and give it to everybody - this could solve this issue 🤦?

[@gaznoo]

I hear what your saying,I was going to buy a mitsubishi phev,and after looking into what would happen if the main battery went,for a start mitsubishi are not around now and the prices to sort it were eye watering,unless you can find somewhere who will pull it apart and replace the bit that gone, I'm in North Wales so if that happens it's get it moved to someone who can do it,so don't bother with one,how ever did go for a BMW 640d and I know it can have it's problems but I have a very good specialist not far from me so that's the way I went

[@NeilJohn-the-washer]

Have a wonderful break with the family and come back fully recharged! 😅

[@robinoconnor1203]

The BMW fuel consumption interested me. I have a 2019 BMW 440i coupe. It has a 3L 6 cylinder petrol turbo engine. Driven normally it will do between 42-44 mpg on my fairly regular, South West to North East run. It very rarely drops below the 330e figure you quoted. I went into a BMW dealership a few weeks ago, I was interested in a new car, which was sitting outside the door. The salesman would not let me look at it, as one of the dealer staff was using the car, for personal business. I am still waiting for them to contact me to view it. I believe I may be black listed from my local Porsche and BMW dealerships, (its the same dealer group) for leaving negative feedback.

[@markchambers9415]

i have a 2015 citroen dispatch 1,6 diesel.600 plus miles out of tank.perfect.only got 33000 0n clock.just passed mot no problem.

[@Holycurative9610]

I'll stick to my 2013 Mitsi ASX with it's lovely diesel engine, fairly cheap insurance and tax, decent mpg and a good level of comfort. Price I paid from a small dealer near Oxford, £3700.

[@lat1419]

PS I have Dualit toaster - every part is replaceable. I no longer buy disposable kitchen & household appliances

[@TrueSkyl1n3]

The EV crowd would try and come back with “Well what if your engine goes that’s going to be expensive to replace”, but how often does it happen that you require an ENTIRELY new engine? Extremely rarely as most of the time it’s just a part or 2 that need replacing, with battery cells there is no part replacement it’s either all or nothing.

[@theodavies8754]

It's easy to get a £7500 loan to buy a vehicle, it'll take 3-4 years to pay back £9-10k but having to fund another £10k would brick the vehicle for the project.

[@JohnEvans-zo7kk]

I personally won’t touch a modern BMW with a barge pole. The company I work for have a fleet of four 330es for our management team which have been nothing but trouble. To the point where our General manager made a comment to myself in car park while we were going home at the end of the day do you won’t to swop cars for the journey home as he could guaranty his car would throw up some warning lights on his trip home. By contrast I have a 2014 Honda civic which never miss’s a beat at 80000 miles which I wouldn’t get rid of if I won the lottery.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

In the last 12 months, I've had to replace the 12v battery on each of my petrol cars (1981 Triumph Acclaim & 2003 Nissan Micra). They both cost me £65 each, and that was for parts and fitting. So how the heck can BMW justify over £500 for a 12v battery? I know main dealers charge a premium, but this is crazy.

[@Youtube_deleted_my_favourites]

Dealers are over-quoting because they don't want the work, vast amounts of labour tied up with a repair that will probably come back

[@TVS-SMFL]

Been driving diesel cars since 2006, & never had a problem with any of them. Still zero interest in EVs.

[@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt]

Least stolen car in the US are Tesla because they have cameras all around the car and stolen cars can be tracked. Maintenance is minimal as very few moving parts. Tesla has an 8 year warranty on their battery and drive units, if the battery degrades by 30% they will replace it free of charge. With hybrids you still have the combustion engine maintenance and the complexity of running 2 different engine types in one car. Plus hybrids catch fire more than any other car type.

[@nixswatson]

Enjoy your holiday with your family Geoff! I’m off to stay with family for a week in South Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 looking 👀 forward to Halloween 🎃 👻 🧙

[@emyrjohn9627]

My daily drive is a 24 year old Peugeot 306 2.0 hdi. I get over 800 miles per tank. It's easy to work on. I had a complete refurbished rear axle 4 months ago for £175. It has over 173k miles on the clock. I have many EV drivers saying I should get a new car! They can never justify why though when I ask!

[@chrishart8548]

They probably don't want you starting your engine and wafting diesel fumes everywhere. I wish my neighbour would get rid of his diesel audi for this very reason.

[@Alexander_l322]

If you’re going to the dealer then it doesn’t matter what’s broken on your car because they charge a fortune anyway. Only go if your car has warranty otherwise you’d be better off at a specialist

[@pedroribas6796]

And this is why i,after ponderation decided to buy a 2015 VW Passat variant 1.6 TDI instead of a Passat GTE

[@billmalec]

We have a 24(25 by model years) year old Ford Excursion with the 7.3L diesel. 300,000 miles. It will carry 8 people totally comfortably. Good luck getting an EV to those numbers.

[@bigjml]

The fuel economy isn’t great. But I know loads that have been used on Uber/Bolt. And I know of nobody that has a 330e, 530e, 740e or Le or a 745 e or Le that has had a battery failure. You will get nearly 40mpg out of a 330e. Even if you did have a battery failure you would buy a used battery from a dismantlers.

[@noelward8047]

Enjoy your well deserved break Geoff and Tribe. Go have some fun.

[@BionicRusty]

Which is why an 330e is a bad choice. ~£10k for a battery 🪫 and ~£12k for an engine. Double the worry. 😬

[@spice3767]

My friend works on a garage had a hybrid car in for a failed battery…..it’s was £13,000 to fix it..!!!!!!!

[@mikadavies660]

It is far easier to buy any older car and run it for a few years, than to buy new and get screwed on the first breakdown. Personally, I won't touch any newer three cylinder car.

[@SparkyB1981]

You would need to replace all the modules at the same itme, mixing and matching modules with different degradation is not a good idea as the BMS will not track them separately.

[@Craig-wp3pz]

On old school minis, i used to charge £80 for an engine swap, and for £200 I'd swap out a 1000cc or 850cc for a 1275cc MG lump!!!! And yes, that was all new fluids, used parts, serviced, drop it on Friday, drive away Sunday....... Can't imagine you'll find anybody offering that 'shade tree service' options on a modern EV

[@esm7708]

Mainly because a 16 year old can do it with fairly basic tools and equipment. I remember using a barn beam and a ratchet strap as an engine hoist. Safety first They probably don't offer the service because they don't need to, unless it's a MK1 Leaf. Plenty of videos out there of battery swaps for those.

[@eyesodd]

Last time I looked and that was a good few years ago, VW were charging £80ph for labour.

[@chrishart8548]

​@@eyesoddprobably £120 an hour now

[@chrishart8548]

They wouldn't even offer it with an ICE now.

[@mrt-ji9qg]

Hybrids are fine, you don't have to replace the entire battery, just the cells which are at fault. many places do it now, toyota and Lexus cells are only £40 each, cells are shared between the models.

[@terenceterence-d2w]

Please specify whether it's a plug-in or normal hybrid. This is important because plug-ins have so many more problems than ordinary hybrids.

[@davidharrington1133]

My 11 year old Infiniti Hybrid is absolutely fine, its does have a 3.5 litre engine so is less reliant on the battery and motor

[@bastogne315]

Just bought a Polestar 2. 1000km costs 24 euro. (Or 12 euro for the cheapest night rate tarrif) My Audi A4 petrol 1.4 costs 80 euro per 1000km.❤❤❤ Polestar is a real drivers car and a rocket ship. Ice DNR😂

[@OKR1982A]

All my ex colleagues were forced to get the BMW 330 e, if they got 45/50mpg they were really lucky. Compare that to the 320 eff dynamics BMW I had in 2013 70mpg. 😂

[@alxgu198]

Too many electrical systems, too many unnecessary ‘features’, too many computers for the needless technology. Obsolescence (and cost) is built in. Me? I’ll smugly stick to my old cars and actually enjoy DRIVING them 😊, repairing them, driving them again.

[@claywalker2938]

Geoff - I was watching Matt (High Peak Autos) and he has just had a BMW on his forecourt broken into and the Infotainment/Satnav stolen from it - The thief took the whole lot including the Idrive Knob (good word knob) from the centre console 🤷‍♂

[@peterball8241]

If it cost over £500 to replace the 12v battery at the dealers, I'd go to a local garage. So why would you get a quote for the main battery from the dealer? The only way to get the high MPG is plug in every day and only do low mileage like I do, over 200MPG last time I looked.

[@AdeReeves]

I have got a 435d my son has a 335d ...both give at least 40mpg more on a run...and yes this is my second 435 as the first one got stolen ... I also have a old Tigra and that gets used more than the BMW as really don't care too much for it ...

[@markdance574]

For once I’d disagree on the pre owned value statement- Iv had a Porsche Cayenne S E hybrid now for 3-4 yrs , purchased pre owned and it’s been a fantastic car , still worth a good value at 60k miles, I’d suggest the bigger issue with Ev and hybrids is insurance companies too willing to write off anything with a battery in the boot , yes I do agree repair costs could be an issue esp on ev batteries etc . Personally I feel better exhaust tech is needed then diesels and petrols would be extended life products

[@chrishart8548]

Insurance companies are to willing to right anything off. Cars are cheap any repair is not.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

Ive just bought a 21 year old golf pd130. 90k on it, full service history, goes like stink and itll do 50mpg easily.

[@esm7708]

Battery wholesale costs are now about 138 dollars/kwh. Someone is making a lot of money at the expense of the consumer.

[@hamshackleton]

I've already told you of my experience with a Skoda showroom, by email (under my real name), of trying to buy a NEW car with ONE payment - not hp.

[@nickmayo6707]

One of the reasons we bought a Toyota with a 10 year warranty.

[@chasf3433]

Geoff you need to ask BMW how much they charge to carry out a battery diagnosis and at what % degradation it needs to be changed. Have they ever made any claim re battery expected life?

[@ianwalker2896]

Dealers do help! They help you to empty your pockets very quickly.

[@AdventureDriver]

Would one ever buy a secondhand lithium battery for ones power tools? No. The same for EVs and hybrids were the battery is the majority of its value.

[@peterdrake8392]

Have had Toyota since I was in my 30s(so a long time!!) and had no bother at all. Service, mot, a few tyres that’s it.😂

[@highdownmartin]

I wouldn’t even say it’s a 10 k risk. It’s more of an inevitability. Will the big battery fail in the first six months or the next four years. Even if you got five years out of it, it’ll be that failing that stops you using the car. And that point it will have absolutely no resale value so you’re 7.5k down .

[@SouthpawDavey]

Had this argument on Daily mail comments. Its been said that modulus can be changed but if one goes they are coming to the end of life. Toyota wont do it as its not going to guarantee the efficacy of the repair.

[@Maxdukemax]

I was quoted £15k for a gearbox for my Mitsubishi Shogun.

[@matthewrowe9903]

Just had a HGF in my MGZT turbo and with parts and time probably around £500 to fix yet I'm getting people who own new stuff lecturing me on my cars problems hahaha

[@BatterseaBill]

Matt from high peak autos has just posted a video about a thief who broke into a BMW 420 and ripped out the entertainment console and I drive knob.

[@nathangreen1819]

The 330e is also only a plug in hybrid so most of the time you've just got a heavy 2l petrol

[@lat1419]

We have a problem with EVs. They simply do not make economic sense.

[@abercass4683]

How prices have changed I had a wonderful Cairn Terrier, she cost me 200. sadly she is no longer with us, recently I have been thinking of having another Cairn, now 1500.

[@kevinmoffatt]

Factor in £1000 for a tooth extraction (mind you that was a year ago so probably double that now), £45 a month for a fur trim and don't even start me on worming tablets; oh, nearly forgot, £190 per hour for weekend treatment. Need Starmers tax free pension arrangements to have a dog in the UK now.

[@anthonywarrener1881]

Well done !