Used Motorcycle Prices - A Statistical Analysis

[@questioner1596]

The biggest issue with this analysis is asking vs. selling price. How many Harley sellers ask a new price and settle for 2/3 asking?

[@kaptein1247]

Except for the odd ball most people ask too much. And thats why you should look at the flow of the graph rather than the specific price

[@sielentbrat4005]

Yeah, that's the point. I've been selling my first bike (Honda Steed) for a year and sold it only when dropped price to ~70% of original. And for all that time I've seen another Steed in the list - a bit older then mine and almost twice the price. Dude haven't drop a cent. I think that bike is still on the list

[@ComicusFreemanius]

My uncle (the only person I know that sold a Harley) sold his Roadster at that high asking price, ten years ago.

[@jshumphress13]

I see way too many newer $40k+ Harleys listed where some blue collar guy financed a bike he couldn’t afford to begin with. Then someone happens (lose job, hours reduced, has a child etc) and now they’re upside down and trying to sell a 2 year old $40k+ bike for $45k to cover their loan. Makes me sad every time. I’m a lawyer, and I know I can’t afford to finance a toy like that so I DONT FINANCE TOYS lol. I have one lightly used bike and paid cash. Hopefully this will happen less since interest rates are up, but I doubt it. They do look pretty on the showroom floor.

[@billsimpson1876]

@@sielentbrat4005 "I swear honey, the bike is for sale!"

[@grandevand]

The scraping software is called Bardeen. You're welcome.

[@ryanseward4573]

there's still good people in this world

[@ivmilicevic]

Thanks, I was scared that no one would post the name

[@michaeljohnson3252]

Not all heros wear capes

[@eugenedajac7128]

I'll not gonna add a like to this to make it 70. Thanks for this info btw.

[@adamnorman556]

Without marketplace Facebook would be dead to me.

[@DroneStrike1776]

It's the only reason why I would want to reactivate my FB again. I deactivated it over 3 years ago.

[@FilthyGoyim]

Just use your girlfriends

[@spartanx169x]

@@FilthyGoyim Never mix business with pleasure.

[@helpfulcommenter]

I don't use facebook since 2017, I quit after the election and all the rubbish. Did not miss it one bit. Set up a new account a couple years ago to use Marketplace. I have 0 friends, but I find some great deals. @@DroneStrike1776

[@oConshien]

Yeah I was kinda surprised there wasn't any Craigslist ads included in this. Don't let it die, y'all!

[@ryanpoe9791]

The used market is insane right now. I work in sales at a motorsports dealership. I have so many customers who come in to buy new because the used-by-owner prices are so high right now that it just makes better sense to buy new.

[@chrishart8548]

I've bought 3 brand new bikes. At 5 years old the price is still almost the same as new. After 10 years old the price Is looking acceptable for used but now the bike is 10 years old. I would expect a 2-3 year old bike to cost what a 10 year old bike costs

[@patrickfitzgerald2861]

It's likely that this price bubble will pop soon. It seems a lot of people bought bikes over the last three years, and are discovering that they never ride them. At some point those impulse purchases will end up on the used market in droves. I'm betting it happens in early 2024.

[@FortNine]

I think we're mid-decline in Vancouver! Lots of solid bikes have been sitting and dropping in price for the last few months. ~RF9

[@justjoeblow420]

It's that way around me anything newer than like 10+ years old you might as well go new as the best you can hope for no matter the reading on the odometer is any where from 500-1K off the new price for a similar model.

[@Stratocasterhead51]

Couldnt agree more. In europe, there are pages upon pages of current model year bikes going on sale with a couple of thousand kilometres on the odometre for about 300€ less than New. Cant wait for prices to go down a bit because this is getting outrageous.

[@mrmr3621]

just so everyone knows a "lifelong subscription" to a server service last about 3 years

[@notaword1136]

Fun fact, I bought my 80s bike for 500 bucks, spent a year and another 500 fixing it. It was a pretty alright experience

[@no_nuts]

I bought my first street bike for $50 -- rode it a few years and sold it for $850. I have no other examples like that.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@no_nuts It likely depends on how much sweat equity and risk you can take on. A bike that doesn't start at all is a lot of both, but if you can get it running for a reasonable price, you're looking at a decent profit. Especially if the seller just wants it gone.

[@zacharyj6465]

Same but mine was a 79, 4 months and ~1k fixing

[@FilthyGoyim]

First bike was a 74 cb360 that started but clutch didn't engage. Fixed that with a ball bearing i had lying around(dont ask how). Bought for 400, sold for 1000

[@californiapoppy78]

I tend to buy bikes for $2000, put about $1500 into them and sell the. For $2000.

[@GrandPotatoe]

Man you guys are slapping out some amazing content.

[@OGFlake]

so are my cheeks

[@jeffer1101]

"Why pay a premium for Regina when you can be in Big Beaver in an hour?" We see what you did there, and it's why we love you Ryan. :)

[@AshleyPomeroy]

"Thanks - I just had it stuffed"

[@MotoVania]

Never change Ryan, you’re a treasure

[@shashankks6708]

Explain please

[@njpaddler]

@@shashankks6708 maybe somebody should draw you a picture

[@quayinlock]

​@@shashankks6708I'm guessing it's a sexual innuendo that only a north American would get because I'm stumped from the land down under

[@pd8559]

I wish these guys had a blog post on how they did the statistics analysis to follow along with. Looks like a nice skill to learn.

[@yosefm170]

The method is called Web scraping, if you know basic coding, it's pretty straightforward.

[@richardstoffel6585]

101 class in school.

[@hellydpsin]

Anyone know the name of the tool Ryan used?

[@woodworkingaspirations1720]

especially for scrapping

[@raylopez99]

@@yosefm170 But fraught with legal peril...you can get sued by people and blocked by your ISP for web scraping if you don't use an anonymous proxy server, sadly.

[@nunyabusiness896]

Aktuallaly, most of this is because fuel injection started being incorporated into motorcycles around 2000, so they weren't discarded as readily as fussy carburetor bikes that most people gave up on if they stopped working or had issues. Anyone that's seen what it takes to clean and sync quad carbs knows what I'm talking about. Additionally, 2000-ish to 2008 was a wild party of free credit to anyone that asked, so tons of sport bikes were bought with minimal money down and eventually sold or foreclosed on, so there's PILES of those bikes around. Furthermore, the sheer number of 00-08 bikes suppressed future sport bike sales because why would you buy a $10k+ new bike when you could buy a low mileage used one for $5k that offers pretty much the same performance? Really, the only reason to buy a newer bike is if you really want rider modes and things like that. All in all, I don't think this data tells the whole story, and honestly bikes are so cheap just buy what you like when you know you are getting a good deal on a good bike and you probably won't lose much.

[@TheRantyRider]

@nunyabusiness896 "fussy carburetor bikes"? I don't know which you have ridden, but carbs are a lot easier than FI to work with from the early '80's onwards. I bought a set of vac gauges in the mid 2000s to use when servicing my bikes [now only oe twin with carbs, the rest are FI] and it was a waste of money as I didn't have to adjust anything, even on medium-high {50 -100 000] mile bikes. FI is fine until one of the many sensors fails. Not very likely but it may disable your bike as the ECU can't work, the best you can hope for is a limp home mode. Then you have to hope the sensor is still available! FI throttle bodies still need balancing.

[@nunyabusiness896]

@@TheRantyRider That must be why every carbed bike for sale "needs a tune up" or doesn't run while every FI bike "runs great" despite spending half of its life doing burnouts. I was also born yesterday and haven't witnessed how shtty carbs are first hand, especially with ethanol fuel 🙄. When I had a race kart, half of everyone's day was spent unfcking the carb even with non-ethanol fuel, meanwhile I've never had to touch a FI system in my life on anything.

[@TheRantyRider]

@@nunyabusiness896 Thanks for the reply. I imagine that race tuned kit is a bit more twitchy than road tuned, but I would have thought that my high milage carbed bikes would have shown problems if there were any. I once had the legendary 'bad fill' that caused a twin carb/twin cylinder bike a stutter when pulling out and there was a trace of water in the fuel. Were the karts two stoke or four stroke? Could it have been a case of too much oil in the pre-mix rather than fuelling? In the UK we don't see many 'needs a tune up' adverts, un-used bikes may 'benefit from light recommissioning' but that is because the battery, brakes, chain, oil, filters and bulbs need replacing. Carbs in the UK pretty much died 20 years ago which around here accounts for non-runners as well.

[@chuniquepaceno470]

One of the bike price mysteries I've noticed is that of the Kawasaki Concours ZG1000 vs the Yamaha TW200. Both bikes were (and continue to be in the case of the TW200) made for decades virtually unchanged starting in the 1980s. Today, I can pick up the Concours for under two grand while the Yamaha--which is soooooo much LESS bike--continues to fetch well over $3,000, even those dating back to the 1980s. I just don't get it. I own a 2003 Concours, which I bought last year in pristine condition with 5K miles in non-running condition due to carb issues--an easy fix--which I picked up for $900 but I wouldn't mind owning a TW200 but just can't get around the price.

[@Hansengineering]

The TW was consistently $1100 until the pandemic. Same with the SR400.

[@yamaha-rb9tk]

Because the tw200 and the xt250 that Yamaha make are so damn reliable. I own a 2007 xt and the thing has simply never failed.

[@kaptein1247]

Bought a basically brand new tw125 a week ago for 950, we dont have the tw200 in my country. I got a really great deal though, in brand new condition they sell for 2K - 2.5K. The main difference is that the tw is a fairly special bike that most people buy because they love it. Looking at the concours it just looks like most touring bikes

[@quillmaurer6563]

Probably has a lot to do with who buys and uses those sorts of bikes, both new and used. The Concours, a sport tourer, is probably bought by a lot of middle age people and retirees, perhaps a mid-life crisis machine, or a toy they think they'll use, but in the end they don't ride it a ton, so demand falls off quickly, and they decide to sell the dusty old bike taking up space in the garage, meaning plenty on the market. As these folks have plenty of money, they aren't too concerned about getting the most money they can, just want it gone with minimal fuss. TW200s are bought by the legitimately adventurous, those who actually ride a lot, beat the hell out of them, and - as they actually use them - don't want to let them go.

[@spatchist]

Don't forget the 'fashion' element, I believe a lot of touring bike owners moved over to ADV style bikes starting around '04 onwards. My surprise was looking at the prices of used Honda Groms - good grief !

[@portaltwo]

I had to freeze the video at 4:47 to read the graph. Priceless! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BeansOnToast_YT]

Had to watch it quick before it got deleted 👍😊

[@lakeland6798]

was it different to this video? I got the notify but it was already gone

[@BeansOnToast_YT]

@@lakeland6798 I think it was a different vid, I didn't get there fast enough to watch it. 🙁

[@30flatlander]

As a resident of Sask I’ll report back on how the Big beaver-Regina “loop” goes. Big muddy is also on your innuendo route as well…. Better make sure to clean up after riding hard in that particular spot.

[@albertpeugh9367]

It was stated below there are only 2 segments, I disagree. Looking at it in a biker only world, maybe there'd be something to this thought, but as I know several people that don't, and have never ridden, this opens Ryan to many more segments of people. To make so many people laugh, stay informative, educate the masses all while entertaining most of all whom watch, takes a lot of talent and a good team of people to make you look good on top of being able to express things without sounding derogatory, belittling, or downright angered. Ryan and is team have done a great job and provided something many people want/like. To Ryan, thank you for the dedication and sereness of humor that keeps us all coming back. My one and only fuss, I'd like videos more often, but I'm a bit selfish that way.

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

It's pretty much the same trend here in Australia, but with a few outliers. Harley Davidson doesn't have as strong a market here, so you can get a 2 year old Pan America with under 10,000 km for just under 2/3 of the new price. And Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 owners tend to think that their used & questionably modified bikes are worth the same price or more as a new one.

[@LiLDiddee]

A lot of good advice here - especially at the, ahem...end.

[@mozzer8234]

that lets try it in a small town joke is hilarious lol. actually the whole doritos loving data cruncher character has to be my favorite

[@RealJayPowell]

I like the graph of the Herpes situation at F9 headquarters.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

I'm not surprised about WA, CO was a bit of a surprise. WA is great because you can ride through most of the year if you want to, but it's still cold enough that many don't want to, so you get to benefit from the dynamic.

[@schrodingersmechanic7622]

Spent a few years in Seattle. You always knew the real hard-core riders when you saw them out in 45 degree drizzle. I was cold watching them and turned up the heater in my car lol.

[@nunyabidnesss]

Colorado here, can confirm! About to go shopping in a couple weeks as the fair weather riders divest

[@JTandallthosedarnplaylists]

Is there anywhere in particular you look for bikes? Or is fb marketplace just the move?

[@domenik8339]

​@@JTandallthosedarnplaylistsCraigslist worked about as good as FB marketplace for me. Shop for the rider, you want the guy who decided he doesn't look to ride far too late and is just looking to recoup some losses. They're out there in droves.

[@KinginCanada]

As someone who has seen Big Beaver, I'm glad I stayed in Regina.

[@clvrswine]

Gobbler's Knob is just down the road from me. I prefer Molly's Nipple, but Fanny's Hole is a nice place to ride (in Idaho).

[@MagnumMuscle1000]

I only buy low mile, used motorcycles. You can save many thousands. For example, a new R1250GSA is $25k. A sub 15k mile R1200GSA can be had for $13-15k. Used bikes also often have lots of upgrades worth thousands.

[@slow88LX]

My experience has always been that I get vehicles cheaper in big cities where the values are driven down by larger supply. I just recently drove from Tallahassee to Atlanta to save $1500 over a closer option.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

My First and only New Car I ever bought, A 1979 Z--28 Camaro was $7,192.00 First new Street bike I ever bought was a 2016 Yamaha FZ-07 for $7,400.00 I still have the Camaro.. My fourth new Dirt Bike I ever bought is a 1978 Yamaha YZ-100-E Seems I paid $411.00 for it plus I traded in a 1976 Yamaha 125 MX-C with a leaking steel gas tank. Silicone glue could not fix. I have since learned how to weld and braze or use JB Weld to fix a leaking gas tank. I built an 89 Gallon Fuel tank for a Truck it has some pin hole leaks in the welds .. I sealed it with JB Weld 25 years ago .

[@trailrunnermike]

If you paid $7,192 for a new Z28 in or about 1979 you got a car with most every option box checked.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@trailrunnermike No I special ordered it no Radio .. No Air Conditioning .. Close Ration 4 speed. a 3 speed auto would have cost $70 more .. No T-Tops they were $650,, The cast aluminum mag wheels were $276.00 extra .. rear window defroster was like $88.00 window moldings I didn't want but ended up mounting ski racks and windsurfer racks on the molding so glad I got it .. I think Posi traction was $70 more.. Radio Suppression package was like $20.00 ectra .. 4% sales tax title registration all in the $7,192.00

[@bryandotmee]

Where would we be without these videos? I shudder to think about it.

[@lenbremoit3906]

Always interesting and well researched insight from Ryan and the crew....this episode is no exception. That said--motorcycling (buying, selling, riding et al) does not fall into a scientific analysis for everyone. For many, it's more emotional than rational. Appreciate the charts/graphs and formulas however---in the end most of us buy and ride what we like and what makes us feel good.

[@hunterferrand-mcbay166]

Woah, never have i been able to watch a f9 video so immediately 3 mins

[@大阪パグ]

I have been seeing motorcycles on Facebook marketplace dropping out very consistently by the day, some started listing at $ 12.000 , after a few weeks the same motorcycle is priced at $ 8.000. Which means, people’s are getting rid of toys and because the actual economy, there’s lower prices and more to choose but there’s practically non buyers, Yes, the same motorcycle listed at Facebook is way below the price marketed by Dealers. But for the ones that can’t afford to pay on cash and want that sweet bike, dealers are their best friends, higher price and very minimal low payments that are last long possible. This happens on 2020 when covid hit , I got my chance to get a good one in a low budget, customized and put some km on it, was thinking on put it on the market, but the current economical situation, won’t be favourable to me, since I don’t really need it to get rid off, better hold on. But there’s a lot of motorcycles on bargains, it will only depend if you have the cash and how desperate the seller is to get a good deal.

[@helpfulcommenter]

I don't know how it correlates but the rental market for real estate, the same has been happening over the last 4-6 months. I was looking at rental prices in multiple US cities as I was preparing to move my business to a more tax friendly location, and I was looking long enough to notice trends. Having access to the MLS through a realtor friend meant that I would get updates when properties had been on the market for a while, dropped off the listings, and then were re-listed usually at a lower price, or landlords had simply reduced the desired rent. The frequency of these alerts went up dramatically starting two months ago. There's definitely something going on.

[@大阪パグ]

@@helpfulcommenter Canada & USA economy has reached limit, with all the current BS and lending money to foreign countries are taking a big toll to peoples, seems like a every country wants to destabilize economy and bring everyone to poorer conditions, with the exception of politicians and multi million corporations, in my neighborhood, the only one buying property was developers and building contractors who built a duplex house in one land, selling this one for almost double the price, but now, seems like a the recession has taken them too, because I can see like 8 duplex properties without being sell , and others properties in the middle of construction has been stopped by their contractor because the lack of income. And with the fear monger of viruses every year only going to bring more people into debt making everyone dependable of the government and those corporate friends, just thinking about it.

[@rogerkay8603]

"like most farm equipment" cracked me right up - nice one Ryan

[@TravelsWithATwist]

2010 also saw the rise of fuel injection and ABS. A post 2010 bike is potentially a huge jump in tech from a few years before

[@raisingcane225]

“…a few Triumphs, KTMs, BMWs and Ducati’s that haven’t been scrapped yet”…. Superb!

[@JA-zh5xi]

In the US bike prices had been going up since 2020, but this year they seem like they are starting to come down a bit? I know the bike dealers around me had a harder time selling used bikes this year

[@chrishart8548]

I think a lot of people just don't have any money. For many a bike is a luxury or a fun toy. I've taken mine off the road because I can't afford it. Should be all go November hopefully.

[@spartanx169x]

Prices have definitely come down. But Dealers are wanting a small fortune. The LIST the Kawasaki KLX 230s for $3495, but then want $1500 in extra fees excluding title and taxes. That alone is frustrating. That will and DOES turn people to the used market. Bikes are still selling on Marketplace, but selling at a slower pace. It does not help that the filters on Marketplace have been broken since June. You can search the make, but the models are not being shown anymore, so you search for a model which is very hit and miss. I think that is causing the slowdown and people dropping prices because it is slow to sell.

[@knives01ng]

Haven’t tried it yet but if it works as adverted…. Probably the best advertisement section I’ve seen. Definitely getting one.

[@edbrown5665]

I'd really like to get your take on the difference between inverted forks and right side up forks and how that difference is made

[@Cuzzazbuzz]

As a young daft Brit working in Williston ND many years ago I thought I’d take a trip over the border to Regina. I forgot about the different map scale and didn’t realize there was so little to see over such a distance. Arrived just in time for everything to close and headed back.😂

[@FeralMess]

The joke about farm equipment is just brilliant. *standing ovations*

[@iggynub]

It's the most common, thoughtless quip. It was lazy.

[@RealJayPowell]

@@iggynub not as lazy as the noob who walks into the clothing boutique, checks out the sub standard, shiny, 1920s tech, overpriced machines and has visions of Easy Rider in his bubble head, then puts down 5%, finances the other 95% for 7 years, rides off with his branded underwear, doo rag, helmet, gloves, jacket, pants, socks, and boots to the nearest trailer dealer. There he spends 5 ot 6K on a trailer to "ride" his new machine. 4 yrs later, and maybe 4,000 miles on the chrome turd, he decides to list it for sell at 99% of the price he signed the loan paperwork for. He ends up selling it for 30% less than listed, takes money out of his pocket to make up the difference to get the loan paid off, and calls it a day. Oh hell, I just realized, it's not lazy, its stupid. Sorry, you can disregard entire post. That is all.

[@standupmoto]

You’ve pretty well nailed it with your analysis, I mainly review used motorcycles on my channel down here in Australia and your graphs mirror the market we have. Cheers & thanks for sharing 👍

[@CustomcrowdMitroc]

he should do the same video but on the australian used bikes market, pretty insane over here

[@FortNine]

Bardeen is the scraping tool - good hunting! ~RF9

[@kornaros96]

​@@FortNinedoes work with things that have more than 2 wheels?

[@leftcoaster67]

Yeah but Australia has Ducati Monster 400's. Problem is I'd have to buy 2. One as a parts bike and one as the riding bike.

[@iggynub]

Its more or less the same. HD are overpriced now and you'd be lucky to get a dyna for sub 13k, and everything else tracks. I picked up my FXDLS for 21k in 2019/2020, now they're 27k+ in the used market.

[@adamswenson1093]

Woah! So many F9 videos! Is this real life?

[@dheeraj3945]

"which includes a life long, no subscription, 4G plan" What!

[@liyamuu]

This entire channel is pure gold

[@sushio4357]

Are you an engineering drop out? Data Analysis on point , Cinematography puts big channels to shame, physics and maths skills be bussing, and on top of that a great mechanic.

[@Next2Null]

Hes got a Physics Degree

[@coastofkonkan]

Dudes & his team got best analytical brains, technical explaination of any auto journalist I've seen on YT.

[@dannywhite132]

Reminder that it's a 2 person team. Him and his filmer/editor

[@ashleyphotog]

The farm equipment comment had me dying!

[@buzraelYT]

Loving the red tab opened in your browser... I always check for those in every video showing a browser :)

[@floflospeed24]

Wasn't there an other new video out like 1-2 days ago called ''Putting a magic number on motorcycle reality" ? Is it the same as this one ? I didn't have time to watch it 😢

[@astronautindisguise]

It’s “Putting a magic number on motorcycle reliability” and it’s a KZbin short

[@jtwarner13]

There was a video, I didn't get to watch it either

[@floflospeed24]

@@astronautindisguise auto-correct mistake

[@brandonamison8950]

One issue with used motorcycles or autos - Most shops turn away anything over 10 years old unless grandfathered in from the dealership. Independent shops are getting wise and charging $130-$160/hour as a penalty since they “don’t know the vehicle”. That means suspension, top end, drive shaft, water pumps, electrics, etc. can end up costing a small fortune if you are *able* to get service. In my experience, very few exceptions, most mechanics regardless of marquee have done more damage than repair - dealers and indies. That’s how they keep their doors open. If it is your main transportation, do you have the time to crack a bike open in your garage waiting on delayed/overpriced parts? Or are you ok with it sitting at a dealer for months at a time? The market is not kind right now for new or used.

[@austinchowaniec2885]

Please stay, we don’t like the other guy. You make the best motorcycle vids.

[@SilverPaladin]

I purchased 3 bikes this year, each for $2500. A 91 Electra glide, and an sv650 and sv1000 both 2003. His analysis holds up.

[@Dangerwiggles]

The SVs are great buys! Surprised you got them for as low as $2500 still. That being said, I got my 1k 4 or 5 years ago for that price and put almost 15k miles on it and might still be able to sell it for higher than I bought it for back then, so that's saying something!

[@Micahslooseearlobe]

Got my clapped 2002 sv650s for $2000 kid fucked me over pretty good haven’t been able to get her running so many issues countless coils/plugs etc

[@SilverPaladin]

@@Micahslooseearlobe sorry to hear that! Hopefully parts are available cheap to you!

[@sighgaming3982]

In my country where lower cc units are everywhere for commute, used motorcycles tend to sell around 80% for less than 2 years 60% for 3 yrs And finally dwindles to 50% for 5-10 years This is for low cc units 125-200cc

[@mariuszsabak]

What is this tool thats he is using for scraping data called?

[@FortNine]

Bardeen. ~RF9

[@FortNine]

Oh and also, if you use it, just assume President Xi is stealing all your data too. ~RF9

[@carlostomas3698]

@@FortNineReally? Isn’t Bardeen ai a US company?

[@LaterMeansBrick]

Bikes taht are older than 10 years on the road are starting to stabilize their prices because as time passes the users and potential buyers get a better understanding and form an opinion on the build quality, reliability, common issues, aftermarket availability of replacement parts and so on. Good quality bikes that can last a long time with minimal maintenance tend to keep their price at a relatively stable level. i.e transalp, africa twin, tenere and super tenere, the GS series of BMW, older gens of hondas v4 engined bikes from the vfr and vf series etc.

[@victoriazero8869]

Here in Indonesia price of used motorcycle is universal because we have annual bike tax and the government approximate the tax based on used price of the motorcycle lol. Everyone know what the price of this X year old Y model motorcycle.

[@foodieontour]

The last advise was the most valuable of them all

[@dumptrump3788]

3:35 The problem with this analysis of Harley prices is that what they're advertised cor isn't necessarily what they'll sell for. I see 15 year old Dynas advertized for $10,000, but that doesn't mean they'll get $10,000....or even sell it at all, lingering on in the back of the garage or under a tarp in the side yard until it gets given away.

[@N1inSK]

For added fun, I've driven through/past Big Beaver. It's a small place in a beautiful part of the province.

[@prymus141]

Jesus Christ, you are a younger, motorcycle loving version Jeremy Clarkson. That intro, that track record in the ad. Love it

[@lastairbender_883]

There is a decent cluster analysis that can be done on motorcycles. MCs have lots of continuous variables. I remember the guy who ran the Iron Butt rally on a versus 300. Made me wonder how the Goldwing would cluster relative to the Versus and how far apart the centroid would be.

[@StevenHawkingsSpitrag]

Based on that graph, I’d say working at FortNine Studios is a “bangin” good time.

[@adventureike]

Take my comment, algorithm. This channel is incredible

[@wiseoldman5841]

So now we know what the F9 command center really looks like! And don't yell at your mom!

[@Louis-jn8mp]

Not able to ride currently due to someone pulling out on me but still find myself watching fortnine

[@jamisonshaffer2059]

Ryan's videos are so calming no matter the content. Love it.

[@michaelvachon1334]

'...like most farm equipment.' LOVE it!!!

[@pistonburner6448]

As a former statistician I definitely support your conclusion of what a small sample size means (as well as the vigour and passion of how you express it): 0:08

[@citizenX117]

The Suzuki DR 650 its a very special case, the current 2023 model its almost exactly the same as the first year 1996 model and cost almost US$ 12,000 brand new from the dealer (here in Venezuela) so you can buy the cheapest one (listed from US$ 2,500 and up here in Marketplace Venezuela) refurbished them for less than 2000$ to make it a fresh new 2023 bike, when the suzuki finally discontinued this model this bikes will be priceless

[@axelazure7278]

Funfact: in our country which majority consist of small bike (below 300cc) since the big bike considered luxury thing with their premium tax, the price start declining massive from the 5th year. And than bikes from 20 years ago start to be considered as "collector item" with their price start being stable before rising up again 5 years later. Not sure this happened in other countries in southeast Asia as well..

[@basmca1]

Buy a bike in November-March - No one is riding or buying in winter, not much buyer competition. - Seller is looking at monthly insurance, storage and tax costs for a bike they don't ride. - People are out of money because of holiday season. - Any problems with the bike are more likely to show themselfs in cold weather.

[@slommer5063]

While your content is always useful, it's your narrative that keeps me coming back!

[@tl2913]

Gotta love data science - well done!

[@lyellmincer7468]

Ryan, can you do a video on the science behind better performing exhaust and what goes into an exhaust working better

[@MdubFrederson]

Ever since buying my first bike at 12 years old I wanted to do something like this because I KNEW there must be a point of diminishing returns! Amazing! Finally Facebook has a use!!! Best video you've ever done.

[@waynekent7068]

Fantastic. I miss seeing these kind of videos. I'm such a geek, I love it when you give me stats and diagrams. Ooooooh you dirty boy 🤣

[@ChPetru]

It's not all statistics. I drive an Yamaha Nmax 125 scooter, bought in 2022. At a red light I met a guy driving the same, but 3 years older. We swapped bikes and wow, what a difference. His scooter felt heavier, and steering was sluggish. Each year manufacturers fine tune the models, making them better in ways that are not always visible in the general specs. You buy a 10 year old bike, works fine, on paper is just as good as the new ones, but.. you're missing out on 10 years of model advancement. Your call.

[@bluessrv1]

I'll offer to add that, not only are the used bike (asking) prices insane, there are way less on the market. I remember the days of scouring Craigslist and there were hundreds of used motorcycles for sale...and many at reasonable and "fair" prices. Now...hardly anything. And the asking prices of MOST are ridiculous! I understand that inflation jams the new vehicles but I refuse to pay $4K+ for a 10 year old, used Ninja 250cc!!!

[@bikerbobcat]

It's funny, completely anecdotally I saw exactly this play out while bike shopping. I wound up getting my barely used '23 Ural with 600 miles about 30% off new MSRP by driving 4hrs away from DC. I'm not an iron horse trader so don't care about profits but this is a very interesting video.

[@Firestorm637]

Thanks for making more frequent videos. You get to the point with love it sarcastic humor.

[@aaronward2952]

Your channel is easily one of the most earned subscriptions I’ve subscribed to. Thank you sir.

[@microwave221]

A tracker that doesn't require a subscription is a very interesting proposition. If you get one, don't run it from the battery, tie it in elsewhere further down since the terminals are the first place thieves look. Throw a sticker on it from a CDI ignition pack, or just hide it somewhere better than just under the seat or tank

[@robinwells8879]

Beautiful writing as ever with innuendo gems sprinkle mist the turgid data analysis. Respect ✊

[@motoscotti]

Babe quick, new fortnine just dropped !

[@TheKawasaki500s]

Interesting might do the same analysis in my area when buying my next motorcycle

[@daveco1270]

Lots of people asking way too much for their bikes. Just because you spent four grand in mods doesn't mean you tack four grand onto the price. A lot of times people buy a bike then immediately start spending money changing it, before they've figured out if it's a keeper. I'm guilty of doing this myself. Now I try to wait at least six months before spending any real money on the bike. Maintenance not included. Big haley's hold their value... not so much with Sporsters. You can get an old sportier for cheap. I guess they're not a ton to begin with, but you see them in the 3k range a lot. Yes, they might be 15 to 20 years old, but with low miles.

[@mitchellj.9360]

literally a minute into the video and im cracking up. ryan the goat

[@josephbishop3231]

2000-2008 is a solid time frame to target currently. I learned all his presented into from being a stay at home dad (during the day)with small children an obsession for craigslist and marketplace for a number of years

[@jamesgeorge4874]

Outstanding. I am the outcast of my riding buddies, we bang heads on politics, sports, religion, drugs and alcohol, but hot damn, we both know you are right.

[@posteroonie]

Also, Washington and Colorado have a bunch of relatively rich techies who can sell their used bikes for less, just to keep moving on with their lives.

[@hugostanbury8051]

Kind of crazy how good these videos are

[@Hanspeter4665î]

LOVE IT ! Thank you for that awesome video!

[@Easyrecliner]

I have a 2001 BMW 1150GS that I keep in the barn, I don't ride it anymore because I went with a newer modern lighter dual sport. A decent used one on the market goes for around $3500 to $4,000. I'm going to hold off on selling it or just forget about it and then 40 years from now, someone will post a picture of a 2001 BMW 1150 GS barn find bike.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Even more useful would be long term data mined to determine what time of year to sell and buy, but everyone already knows the best time to buy is fall and winter and the best time to sell is spring and summer. That's true for new bikes as well as new. I bought a new 2019 BMW G310GS in late October 2020, a few months before the 2021 models would arrive. BMW knocked off $1000 and the dealer didn't want to pay taxes on the inventory so they knocked off $400. The new bike with three year factory warranty was $4920 out the door, which was less than the asking price on two year old used bikes.

[@baldrider]

The culture of selling motorcycles online has changed for various reasons. Scalpers attempting to take advantage of FOMO on hard-to-acquire models and the market constraints since 2020 have wrecked the used market if you are only looking at posted selling prices. The market was already heading in that direction when Craigslist stopped free motorcycle ads. The other issue with the market is people posting motorcycles they still owe money on. They were likely upside down in the loan and trying to sell it for what they owe instead of what it is worth. Those bikes stay advertised forever because no one is interested. It doesn't really matter where you are or what you want to buy. Have cash and be ready to jump when you see what you want. You might have to drive 6 hours for a reasonable deal but that has less to do with the local market and more to do with casting a wide net.

[@magellanicspaceclouds]

Fascinating. Please do more analyses like this!

[@mattm7798]

The motorcycle market is definitely pretty hot right now. In 2020, I bought a 2018 CBR 1000 with about 2k miles on it for about 10.5k. Now, you couldn't get a 2 year old liter bike for probably less that 13-15k. Interesting because motorcycles are often a pure luxury item

[@tphilpin]

Thinking the flat curve in the Harley resale market may have something to do with the thousands of dollars of glimmering bits and bobs added to the bikes in their early life and the custom makeovers later in life skewing the resale data compared to other brands. HD asking prices don't correlate with eventual sale price compared to other brands because their owners have hours invested in polishing rather than riding and their unwillingness to part with their costly low mileage status symbol.

[@beemercycle]

I'd like to see what Time of Year is best to buy / sell. GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS RYAN!

[@ukcadjockey]

I'm never sure if i watch these for the information or the comedy. "you can be in big beaver in an hour" I did my best beavis impression at that one

[@chris900f]

I notice that a lot of people sell right around 25,000km. I suspect that it has to do with the valve-clearance adjustment looming on the maintenance schedule. On modern engines with the shim-under-bucket design this involves actually removing the cams to change any shims that might be out of spec. The job is expensive just in terms of the labour involved, and sensitive because there's no real margin for error when you re-install the cams and re-time the engine.

[@elcouz]

I know people that just ride the bike until it will be hard to start. I've done mine myself Ninja 1000 at 40k ,,, (was supposed to be done at 25k) I had one valve out of 16 that was on the low side. meh

[@paulh6591]

If you buy a cheap used bike which was the first year of production for that generation of model, you can ride the hell out of it for a decade, then buy a cheap used bike of the same model which was the final year of that generation and part out the first bike to feed the other. You'll also already have a storehouse of tires, oil filters, etc. for it and can transfer over all your favorite accessories.

[@christiankirkenes5922]

I like how they remembered to cut the graph off at $25k to get rid of all the Harley sellers