King Arthur Family Tree

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@AugustTheStag
@AugustTheStag 3 жыл бұрын
That's a hell of a medieval soap opera you just explained
@juliusnepos6013
@juliusnepos6013 3 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah
@AugustTheStag
@AugustTheStag 3 жыл бұрын
@@superm530 I've never heard of this!!!
@phoenixxam5812
@phoenixxam5812 3 жыл бұрын
@@superm530 you’re a genius
@user-yw1fw1qh3m
@user-yw1fw1qh3m 3 жыл бұрын
Tristan and Isolde ?
@prezentoappr1171
@prezentoappr1171 3 жыл бұрын
@Anonymus X buccaneer is pirate tho?
@VictoriaMeerman
@VictoriaMeerman 3 жыл бұрын
Arthur: “We, the Knights of the Round Table, devoted to Our Lord and Christian Duty in our Search for the Holy Grail...” Merlin: “My King, looks like a boy born tomorrow will be your undoing!” Arthur: “Okay, let’s do a Herod.”
@V2011F
@V2011F 3 жыл бұрын
NO NO NO We need to pull a Pharaoh.
@nickdixom543
@nickdixom543 3 жыл бұрын
ha
@jlupus8804
@jlupus8804 3 жыл бұрын
Yooo I was thinking the same. Malory probably knew some Bible. Was he conscious of those parallels he was writing in?
@zoetropo1
@zoetropo1 Жыл бұрын
@@jlupus8804 A monk at Monmouth Priory know some famous Biblical tales? I suppose it's possible.
@Otterlord14
@Otterlord14 Ай бұрын
"Do a Herod" is the best description of that I've ever heard.
@SSC0002
@SSC0002 3 жыл бұрын
Strange women lying in ponds dispensing out swords is hardly a basis for a system of government
@Canada1994
@Canada1994 3 жыл бұрын
Tis but a scratch.
@the_chosen_one5642
@the_chosen_one5642 3 жыл бұрын
Listen if i went around calling myself an emperor cus some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me they would put me away.
@tugadmundo
@tugadmundo 3 жыл бұрын
@@the_chosen_one5642 yes,but with all due respect,your majesty.
@PunyGoddess
@PunyGoddess 3 жыл бұрын
If she weighs the same as duck, then she's made out of wood.
@Canada1994
@Canada1994 3 жыл бұрын
@@PunyGoddess What she turned me into a newt.
@misseli1
@misseli1 3 жыл бұрын
"Arthur is fooled by Guinevere's identical evil sister." That might as well happen, I guess.
@TVwriter23
@TVwriter23 3 жыл бұрын
The false Guinevere. More likely everyone was like yeah sure bruh.
@eldritch1174
@eldritch1174 3 жыл бұрын
If you notice, he said half sister. How does that even happen
@TVwriter23
@TVwriter23 3 жыл бұрын
@@eldritch1174 In the early legends they weren't half him or Morguese either. If Gildas was referring to Arthur disguised as Cuneglasus Gwen's sister did no fooling. Arthur pursued her. A likely story. An affair then when shit hits the fan he's all bu bu but she made me do it. To which no one bought that in his own time nor let him live down
@meetaverma8372
@meetaverma8372 3 жыл бұрын
in one of the versions, Mordred was the evil brother of Gwen actually, so you might as well make him the shapeshifting sibling she had
@MK-of7qw
@MK-of7qw 3 жыл бұрын
Zoot?
@ErmisSouldatos
@ErmisSouldatos 3 жыл бұрын
During the duel, Arthur must've been like: Mordred, I am your father
@rennor3498
@rennor3498 3 жыл бұрын
A father who ordered his sons execution...
@ErmisSouldatos
@ErmisSouldatos 3 жыл бұрын
@@rennor3498 yes I know, but it was a reference...
@angrypastabrewing
@angrypastabrewing 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErmisSouldatos I get the reference
@mangot589
@mangot589 3 жыл бұрын
😁
@AnnaBomBanana
@AnnaBomBanana 3 жыл бұрын
... and your uncle
@quinhoprimeiro1049
@quinhoprimeiro1049 3 жыл бұрын
"In a land of myth, and a time of magic… the destiny of a great kingdom rests on the shoulders of a young boy. His name… Merlin."
@lebl992
@lebl992 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the show. The ending was sad thou ...
@TVwriter23
@TVwriter23 3 жыл бұрын
@@lebl992 Just image if they had Arthur's sons from the Welsh legend. It would have been an even worse tragedy.
@casxsunshine
@casxsunshine 2 жыл бұрын
hello my merlin fellas
@Octopus_Official
@Octopus_Official 2 жыл бұрын
After 10 years, it is still amazing
@Artur_M.
@Artur_M. 3 жыл бұрын
"On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place."
@kingping7979
@kingping7979 3 жыл бұрын
I see you everywhere
@samsignorelli
@samsignorelli 3 жыл бұрын
"It's only a model."
@maestroclassico5801
@maestroclassico5801 3 жыл бұрын
@@samsignorelli "shhh"
@kriwe4013
@kriwe4013 3 жыл бұрын
Polish?
@zoetropo1
@zoetropo1 Жыл бұрын
Nor to Camlann. It is ill-reputed.
@dathremo.
@dathremo. 3 жыл бұрын
Love that you used pics from the BBC’s Merlin at some points
@carinamurillo2150
@carinamurillo2150 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly ❤️😍
@ipercalisse579
@ipercalisse579 3 жыл бұрын
It was fantastic! I loved that adaptation
@jthomashair
@jthomashair 3 жыл бұрын
Same!! That show 🥰😭
@acg3934
@acg3934 3 жыл бұрын
Merlin was trash. Just a half-arsed attempt to anglofy our mythology.
@dathremo.
@dathremo. 3 жыл бұрын
@@acg3934 okay... congratulations
@trisha9368
@trisha9368 3 жыл бұрын
I love how the narrator's tone is borderline incredulous like he can't believe what he's reading either, especially when he talks about sir gallahad lol
@chuck430
@chuck430 3 жыл бұрын
maybe if the knights would allow themselves to be tempted by these women, their swords wouldnt keep getting stuck in stones
@shugafoo2847
@shugafoo2847 3 жыл бұрын
there is a version where some of them are women
@naurahdeatrisyagitany8365
@naurahdeatrisyagitany8365 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of the stories, especially the original Lancelot, were commissioned by noblewomen and they wanted simps
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
@@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 The only way to keep IT down is to CUT It Down!
@AnneSofieLovesMozart
@AnneSofieLovesMozart 3 жыл бұрын
Tempt me not, fair lady!
@AnneSofieLovesMozart
@AnneSofieLovesMozart 3 жыл бұрын
@@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 Then stop flashing me thy ankles, you devil woman!
@MrJethroha
@MrJethroha 3 жыл бұрын
TH White's "the Once and Future King" is my favorite rendition of this story. The characters become incredibly human despite the fairytale quality to all the stories.
@mangot589
@mangot589 3 жыл бұрын
I love that book! I have an old dog eared copy, and I actually just looked the other day for it on audible. It really does bring all the stories together, doesn’t it? Seems like White collected all the different stories and put them into one tome, really.
@andrewburdge5139
@andrewburdge5139 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. I'm rereading it but this time on audible.
@Demildiel
@Demildiel 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!! I love Merlin's backstory in that and I want more stories about Sir Palamades!
@nehajoshi7782
@nehajoshi7782 3 жыл бұрын
Did anyone notice Arthur just ordered deaths of children born on certain date & Mordred is called the villain in this story 😂
@alhassani626
@alhassani626 3 жыл бұрын
English morality was essentially Satanic till Jesus intervened.
@meetaverma8372
@meetaverma8372 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but that's just one telling, others, including the bbc series mordred isn't a very good guy. One of those stories say that he's gwenevere's brother, and he just steels his thrown, and in the bbc series, he kills Arthur for a girl, whom Arthur had executed. No one's good
@TVwriter23
@TVwriter23 3 жыл бұрын
@@meetaverma8372 There's a legend that he was a royal married to Gwen's sister. All I remember is he was pissed about something Gwen either sad or did to her sister. He dragged Gwen off the throne. Family drama. I tell you.
@meetaverma8372
@meetaverma8372 3 жыл бұрын
@@TVwriter23 that should have been the show tbh
@TVwriter23
@TVwriter23 3 жыл бұрын
@@meetaverma8372 I'm weird though one of my faves is how Merlins ex wife died on her wedding days. It was one of those don't look back tropes.
@lovefromwonderland
@lovefromwonderland Жыл бұрын
Bro this is actually so helpful. Trying to wrap your head around Arthurian legend is like trying to jump into the deep end when you know you can't swim
@cisco95021
@cisco95021 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best King Arthur stories I have ever heard. This really puts all the stories together.
@TexTheBest
@TexTheBest 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite Arthurian retelling is The Mists of Avalon. Its amazing how many of these stories the author is able to entertwine in her narrative
@clauaome25
@clauaome25 2 жыл бұрын
I remember it came out in VHS, 2 of them and I watched them with my family as a teenager.
@technology5979
@technology5979 Жыл бұрын
Pity she turned out to be a pedophile, a lot of people have fond memories of those books.
@jefflanam
@jefflanam 3 жыл бұрын
The bit about pulling swords from stones may date from the Bronze Age. Swords at that time were cast from carved stone molds, and working with metal was seen as something magical.
@peterwindhorst5775
@peterwindhorst5775 3 жыл бұрын
Caesar’s Sword, called “crocea mors”, meaning “yellow death”, because its blade gleamed brightly in the sun and it was fatal to all it pierced, according to myth, had been the sword of the god Mars, forged by Vulcan [the smith of the gods] and bestowed to the Trojan prince Aeneas by the goddess Venus, his mother. Aeneas saw the sword fall from Heaven as he stood on the future site of Rome and heard the words: “with this, conquer”. The sword was among the relics of the old Roman kingdom but was lost during the period of the Roman Republic and rediscovered by Julius Caesar as a young man who believed that through it the gods had appointed him “King of The World”. The sword is identified with the sword called “Marmyadoyse”, forged by Vulcan, and owned at different times by Hercules, Alexander The Great, and Julius Caesar. It is sometimes wrongly identified with King David’s Sword called “L’Espee as/aus/az Estra[i]ngnes Renges”, which sword apparently was in the possession of the “Lady of The Lake“, the abbess of a religious order of nuns, from whom Arthur was to later acquire it. There is reference made to the sword called “Caledfwlch” in Welsh tradition, which is identified with the sword called “Caladbolg”, “Caladcholg”, “Caladcolc” in Irish tradition, which was owned by several Irish, Scottish, and Welsh kings, which probably maybe identified with King David’s Sword? Caesar lost his sword in Britain in hand-to-hand combat with the British king Nennius, who was mortally wounded in the fighting and the sword was buried with him. The sword remained in his grave throughout the Roman Era in Britain. In post-Roman times the sword was removed from his grave by the British King Vortigern, who, to display the trophy, had the sword hammered into a crack in “an anvil of iron a foot high” which was set atop “a great stone four-square” and displayed to the public in the town-square of London as a war-memorial to commemorate the initial victory of the Britons over the Romans in the battle in which the sword was captured about 500 years earlier; but sometime before London fell to the Saxons the war-memorial was moved to a churchyard at Silchester where the episode of “The Sword in The Stone” took place. The sword was a tempting treasure to possess and inevitably people came along trying to withdraw it but none could, and someone engraved on it just below its hilt the words [in rude Latin]: "...ex cal[ce]liber[ace]…", meaning “[much treasure] to free from stone [of iron]”, hence, the sword came to be called “Excalibur”. GM, in his “HRB”, calls the sword “Caliburnus”. In French Romance it is called “Calibor[e]”, “Escalibor[e]”, etc.
@hamnchee
@hamnchee 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterwindhorst5775 Nice!
@sticlavoda5632
@sticlavoda5632 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterwindhorst5775 ok so , in myth , who previously possesed the sword of king arthur? Who forged it . Explain it in simpler terms
@peterwindhorst5775
@peterwindhorst5775 3 жыл бұрын
@@sticlavoda5632 Who forged it - if you go by the history I gave out - it is likely meteorite iron forged in the clump of mud huts that became Rome. Such a sword since it came from heaven would be seen to have "magic" powers unlike the common swords of normal people. A real pity that it ended up tossed into some random lake or something waiting for its owner to come back for it.
@mabonbran8913
@mabonbran8913 3 жыл бұрын
Aneaus held the sword of Troy, Caledfwich or whatever was taken from the stone and broken, then replaced by Excalibur as a gift from the lady of the lake! None of these swords were a bronze cast!
@endzordays
@endzordays 2 жыл бұрын
Top points for correctly pointing out that sword in the stone and the sword Excalibur were two completely separate and unique swords. Fun factoid though is that the allegory of each sword is based on a method of teaching the advancements/improvements of metal. The sword in the stone being that of iron where the metal is taken out of the rock. The then tale of Excalibur and the lady of the lake tying in to the advancement to stronger metals like steel with quenching the blade. The Volsunga sagas has Odin thrust a sword into the Barnstokkr tree in the middle of a feast hall. There is no "future king" aspect to the story but nobody can pull the sword except for Sigmund. The sword later is broken and he has it repaired so he can fight (and eventual kill) the dragon Fafnir. The blade being quenched in the blood of the dragon. In this story the tale is more about the burning of wood being used for forging and dragons blood being used to cool the blade rather than water. Either way though Arthur's Sword in the Stone AND Excalibur/Caliburn are pretty much identical to the swords of Sigurd/Siegfried and Sigmund... Gram/Nothung/Balmung... Would wager that both tales have the same root origin and that the names have just been changed to meet the cultural group whom is telling the tale. Sigurd and Uther are the same person and they are the father of Arthur/Siegfried. Also Excalibur/Caliburn/Gram/Nothung/Balmung are all one and the same exact sword, and it wasn't a mythical sword but a tale of their clans/tribes or people discovering how to properly forge iron or steel into weapons.
@annkelly0072
@annkelly0072 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic explanation.
@galacticambitions1277
@galacticambitions1277 Ай бұрын
This is amazing. Where is this from?
@lunatickgeo
@lunatickgeo 3 жыл бұрын
King Arthur, possibly the best known fanfiction in the world
@cristristam9054
@cristristam9054 3 жыл бұрын
Have you heard about Jesus and Hercules?
@lunatickgeo
@lunatickgeo 3 жыл бұрын
@@cristristam9054 I'm in a quandary, if I tell the truth and say "yes" I weaken my previous statement, but if I lie ... Nope. Never heard of 'em.
@cristristam9054
@cristristam9054 3 жыл бұрын
@@lunatickgeo you a funny dude :))))))))))
@lunatickgeo
@lunatickgeo 3 жыл бұрын
@@cristristam9054 I try ;)
@3camman
@3camman 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s not forget that Hellboy is a descendent of Arthur, and rightful King of England through his mother by Mordred’s line
@pedanticradiator1491
@pedanticradiator1491 3 жыл бұрын
Let's also not forget England did not exist when Arthur was supposedly alive
@lushlover2023
@lushlover2023 3 жыл бұрын
@@pedanticradiator1491 well technically yes England existed at the time of Arthur.... Probably wasn't called that
@pedanticradiator1491
@pedanticradiator1491 3 жыл бұрын
@@lushlover2023 England didnt exist until around the 10th century about 400 years after Arthur was supposedly alive. Yes the place now called England did physically exist but it was the people who later became the English (Anglo-saxons) that Arthur was supposed to have been fighting and he was a leader of the celts or Britons.
@mabonbran8913
@mabonbran8913 3 жыл бұрын
@Carl the Adopted Yorkshireman Spot on dude! Arthur was never king of England, Excalibur does NOT give the right to rule England which is another popular misconception!
@fallroster5280
@fallroster5280 3 жыл бұрын
7 kingdoms period right?
@peterwindhorst5775
@peterwindhorst5775 3 жыл бұрын
The earliest mention of Arthur by name appears in the “Annales Cambriae” [“Welsh Annals”], which is a chronicle of early British History written in Latin by medieval Welsh monks as an on-going record of events from the 5th-century to the 10th-century. The text begins in Year 445 and ends in Year 977, however, the text is back-dated to Year 425 and the last entry in the chronicle was made in 954. There are two entries in the chronicle that refer to Arthur by name: the first is for Year 72 of the Easter Cycle, which may be reckoned to be Year 517 (New Style) (516 Old Style), and reads that Arthur won the Battle of Mount Badon [or Badon Hill, which temporarily halted the Anglo-Saxon advance]; and, the second entry is for Year 93, that is, Year 538 (NS) (537 OS), and reads that Arthur and Medraut (Mordred) fell in the Battle of Camlan.
@justrusty
@justrusty 3 жыл бұрын
How about the Baggins family tree?
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
The WHO?
@justrusty
@justrusty 3 жыл бұрын
@@steveholton4130 No, The Who is a rock band. I don't know that there'd be a family tree for them. Though I suppose it could depend for any band, what other bands the members played for.
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
@@justrusty Wouldn't the band's tree be the combined trees of the founding band members?
@justrusty
@justrusty 3 жыл бұрын
@@steveholton4130 Yeah, probably. I was thinking metaphorically. Like the NFL has "coaching trees" of relationships.
@Totomy2011
@Totomy2011 5 ай бұрын
The family tree would be too big also the lord of the rings books have a family tree at the enf
@DogWalkerBill
@DogWalkerBill 3 жыл бұрын
In the TV version of "Merlin" Morgan Le Fay, who is played by actress, Katie McGratch who does a fantastic job of it! Ms. McGrath later does on to portray Leena Luthor in CW's "Supergirl" and she does a fantastic job of that too!
@ekoi1995
@ekoi1995 2 жыл бұрын
2:16 Aurelius Ambrosius 2:46 Constanine III of Britain 2:52 Constans was killed by Vortigern. 3:10 Horsa died in Battle 3:42 Uther decided to adopt a new moniker Pendrgon 4:19 Merlin ∟4:44 He was born to a princess and an incubus ∟4:50 going to be the antichrist until he was baptised ∟5:09 shapeshifting powers to transform Uther into Gorlois 5:20 Arthur was conceived 5:26 Uther marries Igraine 5:31 round table created, Uther once again goes to war with the Saxons 5:45 Malory version: Arthur is raised in secret until Merlin arranges a contest to pull the sword from the stone 5:55 Excalibur 7:35 Sir Percival ∟8:03 he takes the 13th seat of the round table, a place that left open for one who be worthy of the grail ∟8:14 Wounded King 8:51 Quest for the Grail - Grail - tied to healing the old man's wounds 9:07 Sir Bors - cousin of Sir Lancelot - but he and his brother Lionel were taken prisoner by Frankish King Claudas ∟9:56 God intervenes and smites Lionel in a pillar of fire ∟10:13 refuses her advances in the name of his vow of chastity 10:32 Galahad ∟10:49 gifted as a knight he's able to defeat Lancelot as a teen 11:03 Sir Gawain ∟11:13 serves the Pope in Rome and led Arthur's forces against the Roman empire ∟12:49 transformed into the immortal Green Knight by Morgan le Fay 13:04 Morgan Le Fay = Gawain's Aunt ∟13:16 in Geoffrey of Monmouth's account, Morgan was the chief of nine magical sisters who ruled over Avalon ∟13:28 she schemes to usurp the throne 13:54 Merlin is in love with Morgan 14:04 Lancelot 14:16 Arthur's Death - Thomas Malory - The Death of Arthur 14:56 White Knight 15:49 Elaine of Astolat ∟16:02 Elaine falls in love with Lancelot ∟16:07 portrayed as a temptress ∟16:50 Elaine dies of a broken heart - her will: placed in a boat and set adrift down the river towards Camelot ∟17:01 castle Camelot is located in Winchester, Wessex 17:25 Galehaut 17:59 Lancelot is persuaded by Galehaut to begin an affair with Guinevere 18:13 Elaine is struck by Lancelot, albeit more by last than love. The lady of corbenic uses magic to trick Lancelot into believing she's Guinevere 18:40 Lancelot Exiled 19:07 After 10 years, Lancelot was found by Percival 19:44 Arthur orders Guinevere to be burned at the stake 19:49 Lancelot killed Gawain's brothers 20:17 Arthur had once an affair with his half-sister Morgause 20:33 From his incestual union was born a son named Mordred. 20:38 Merlin warned Arthur that a child born on that day will be his undoing, so Arthur ordered the death of all sons born on that day, but Mordred survived 22:03 Arthur is brought by the Lady of the Lake and or Morgan Le Fay to the Isle of Avalon
@emems6620
@emems6620 3 жыл бұрын
so weird to have one of my fave history editors not talk as quick as lighting with funny pics in my fave history charts video
@Thenazghoul
@Thenazghoul 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you take suggestions, but it struck me while searching for visual charts detailing the influences and timeline of art movements or music genres. Absolutely love your work, and I appreciate your continued dedication and hard work to bring something you love alive.
@sharp52092
@sharp52092 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting, thanks! For anyone interested, Bernard Cornwell's Arthurian (Warlord) Trilogy is really amazing too. He made it real. For example, he made Merlin a druid and yeah, a creep as Jack mentioned.
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
High
@marcguidetti3081
@marcguidetti3081 2 жыл бұрын
Cornwell's Arthur is by far the best Arthur
@damianjblack
@damianjblack 3 ай бұрын
​@@marcguidetti3081damn right. The King who never was King, Enemy of God and scourge of the Saxons!
@lasislasfilipinas114
@lasislasfilipinas114 3 жыл бұрын
False, every one knows Arthur was Artoria and had a redhead wife who cooks good food and likes swords
@piuscalvinus
@piuscalvinus 3 жыл бұрын
tomboy Mordred
@MatPost
@MatPost 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, it's the one that have a trusty servant that bangs coconut for him along the road. Get cultured, you weeb.
@prezentoappr1171
@prezentoappr1171 3 жыл бұрын
@@piuscalvinus Moedred*dreadnought which is iron clad starky dred
@prezentoappr1171
@prezentoappr1171 3 жыл бұрын
@@MatPost which one was that? I only know someone who follow walking fish to meet a mystic user...
@lesterjohnston8888
@lesterjohnston8888 Жыл бұрын
Wow just the job
@PenneyThoughts
@PenneyThoughts 3 жыл бұрын
Excalibur (1981) seems to be the most accurate rendition of the Arthur myth. Great movie btw.
@Totomy2011
@Totomy2011 5 ай бұрын
I watched it in class lol
@damianjblack
@damianjblack 3 ай бұрын
Bernard Cornwell would like a word.
@coinvestnet
@coinvestnet 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, the sword was still stuck in the Stone
@rivershelf991
@rivershelf991 3 жыл бұрын
Are you making a reference to the Excalibur? 😂
@coinvestnet
@coinvestnet 3 жыл бұрын
@@rivershelf991 Last time I was this early, the sword was known as [Insert_some_weird_Gaelic_words].
@m.s.1067
@m.s.1067 3 жыл бұрын
Please to a Spencer-Churchill family tree. Between american dollar princesses, Winston Churchill, Lady Di and the illegitimate children of Charles II it's a fascinating family tree
@lecapetien3223
@lecapetien3223 3 жыл бұрын
for the Spencer, it is very easy: origin in France.
@Introvertsan
@Introvertsan 3 жыл бұрын
I want them to follow up on the dollar princesses, that should be interesting
@Totomy2011
@Totomy2011 5 ай бұрын
He already did it
@m.s.1067
@m.s.1067 5 ай бұрын
@@Totomy2011 my comment is from 3 years ago. The video is from 2 years ago.
@Totomy2011
@Totomy2011 5 ай бұрын
@@m.s.1067 fair enough
@DreaOnzagle
@DreaOnzagle 3 жыл бұрын
I’m always excited to see an upload from UsefulCharts but I’m especially glad for this one.
@kieroncadwalader6169
@kieroncadwalader6169 3 жыл бұрын
Old Brittonic kings please? Post-Roman era up to the last Welsh rebellion
@zabaleta66
@zabaleta66 3 жыл бұрын
Truth!!
@003mohamud
@003mohamud 3 жыл бұрын
Yup it would be interesting to learn about the Welsh royal houses. Maybe something on who would be king of Wales had Wales remained independent?
@deefakir9335
@deefakir9335 3 жыл бұрын
Now a hundred people want this.
@radwald189
@radwald189 3 жыл бұрын
@@003mohamud There'd be tons to choose from. Wales was split into small kingdoms each with their own royal families.
@BenPernezny
@BenPernezny 3 жыл бұрын
I thought we were an autonomous collective...
@viracocha6093
@viracocha6093 3 жыл бұрын
“You speak mad shit for someone with such a flammable house, peasant”
@Ilyathe2nd
@Ilyathe2nd 3 жыл бұрын
I once had a scimitar lobbed at me by a watery tart, and all I got is an earldom. Is there someone I could complain to about this?
@ecdudis9557
@ecdudis9557 3 жыл бұрын
It’s anarcho-syndicalist commune
@eamonlyons8318
@eamonlyons8318 3 жыл бұрын
An Anarcho synicalist commune
@thomasdixon4373
@thomasdixon4373 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see another dive into mythology and folklore, always interesting to see!
@OliveOilFan
@OliveOilFan 3 жыл бұрын
King Arthur my waifu I mean Saber
@governorb.o.a2222
@governorb.o.a2222 3 жыл бұрын
Fine taste.
@Vejitatheouji
@Vejitatheouji 3 жыл бұрын
exsuu....CALIBAAAAAAAAAAR!
@ferrjuan
@ferrjuan 3 жыл бұрын
A fellow “Man of Culture”
@SJ-fb5zk
@SJ-fb5zk 3 жыл бұрын
do the Welsh Kings and Queens Family Tree pls
@mich8050
@mich8050 3 жыл бұрын
This video would be interesting to see. Gwyneth first if you please.
@georgethompson1460
@georgethompson1460 3 жыл бұрын
Oh do we track the sheep side of the family as well?
@mich8050
@mich8050 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgethompson1460 let's have humans first, do the sheep video separately later
@OliveOilFan
@OliveOilFan 3 жыл бұрын
Those names are as long as a paragraph
@kieroncadwalader6169
@kieroncadwalader6169 3 жыл бұрын
@@mich8050 *Gwynedd
@mbgal7758
@mbgal7758 3 жыл бұрын
Arthur wasn’t too smart if he killed all the boys born on a certain day because of a doom prophecy yet leaves alive the one boy who just being a royal and his son would be the most potentially dangerous. 😆
@robertmiller9735
@robertmiller9735 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, not only is it a definite Bad Guy move, it never works. I guess he wasn't Genre Savvy.
@ErmisSouldatos
@ErmisSouldatos 3 жыл бұрын
I think this was taken from Herod ordering all babies under 2 executed, and only baby Jesus surviving, but that's just my opinion
@mbgal7758
@mbgal7758 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErmisSouldatos I doubt this guy would be such a shoddy researcher that he would make that kind of mistake and it’s all myths anyway since Arthur didn’t exist. Useful Charts is extremely thorough, if that had ever been thought possible he would have mentioned it, he’s done several videos on biblical history. There’s plenty of flood myths throughout different cultures but you can’t say that one copied it from another. Sometimes stories are just similar.
@robertmiller9735
@robertmiller9735 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErmisSouldatos It's a common trope that crops up in many cultures. Not necessarily borrowed.
@Demildiel
@Demildiel 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertmiller9735 Medieval European literature directly lifts many things from the Bible. The religious institutions of the time were basically the only way to learn how to read and write. most people who were literate were associated with the church, or learned to read and write from a religious institution.
@Mortices
@Mortices 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very helpful and succinct overview of these relationships! I believe the version of Merlin's imprisonment which has him trapped within / turned into a tree is actually post-Malory, though I haven't been able to identify where it originated. The Morte Darthur has Nimue (a Lady of the Lake) trap Merlin beneath a large rock, seemingly killing him. Earlier versions which also derive from the Lancelot-Grail Cycle of prose romances have Vivian (much the same character under a different name, and with different motivations) either fatally seal him within a tomb, or seduce him into semi-voluntary imprisonment within an airy, otherworldly tower accessible only by herself.
@rennor3498
@rennor3498 3 жыл бұрын
I think that Arthur,Lancelot.Gawain,Mordred and Merlin existed and were simply glorified over the centuries.
@stoopidphersun7436
@stoopidphersun7436 3 жыл бұрын
Myrllin
@meetaverma8372
@meetaverma8372 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that fits
@nickdixom543
@nickdixom543 3 жыл бұрын
Just Arthur and Merdyn/ Merlin and they lived in two diff centuries. possibility with Lancelot and the Italian knight the rest id say are pure fiction and plot devices for later story telling. There's not even any truth to the Arthurian grail legends, unless you count "spiritual" truth.
@prezentoappr1171
@prezentoappr1171 3 жыл бұрын
also answer for grammatical genders plus the dynamic confusion of the highest ordah in stack exchange funne but true prolly
@AnnoyingMoose
@AnnoyingMoose 2 жыл бұрын
"Listen: Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some... farcical aquatic ceremony!"
@lecapetien3223
@lecapetien3223 3 жыл бұрын
Funny that the names of Chrétien de Troyes and Robert de Boron are not even mentioned on the sources...
@Skadi609
@Skadi609 3 жыл бұрын
Je m'y attendais également...
@lecapetien3223
@lecapetien3223 3 жыл бұрын
@@Skadi609 Les anglais ont du mal a accepter que les légendes arthuriennes soient françaises et pas anglaises ;-)
@mcfcfan1870
@mcfcfan1870 3 жыл бұрын
Sticking with the legendary family trees, one on Chú Chualann or Fionn Mccumhail, Irish legendary warriors, would be great. Keep up the great work!
@eamonlyons8318
@eamonlyons8318 3 жыл бұрын
Cú Chùlainn
@mcfcfan1870
@mcfcfan1870 3 жыл бұрын
@@eamonlyons8318 My bad
@headphoneheadache7667
@headphoneheadache7667 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is taking the Arhtur Legends as the backbone for a story's setting, this was a great video and made me consider a few ways to alter my current set-up for King Arthur. Thanks for the vid.
@venessamaxwell8105
@venessamaxwell8105 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Mists of Avalon Great summer read
@timothymoore6341
@timothymoore6341 3 жыл бұрын
Arthur had another sister besides Morgause and Morgan Le Fay, her name was Elanor. He had a total of three sisters. His family was pretty large. His father had siblings as well as his mother.
@zoetropo1
@zoetropo1 Жыл бұрын
Alan Rufus, who wrested victory from the Saxons in 1066, had six legitimate brothers, four or five illegitimate brothers, an illegitimate sister and an unknown number of legitimate sisters. Of the 11 or 12 we know, all had remarkable lives, especially Alan and his six 'God-given' brothers, according to the encyclopedic historian Orderic Vitalis who said that true details of their careers would make for a very long and satisfying story.
@bosswomen6315
@bosswomen6315 3 жыл бұрын
Arthur, The Once and Future King. 👑
@blossomjoseph5541
@blossomjoseph5541 3 жыл бұрын
The legend is Arthur will return to save Brittiania
@KateeAngel
@KateeAngel 3 жыл бұрын
@@blossomjoseph5541 well, Brexit happened, and he hasn't shown up 😆😆😆😆 Will he come when sea levels rise so much that they swallow half of the island?
@drevenypribor6144
@drevenypribor6144 3 жыл бұрын
@@KateeAngel all countries will once leave the EU, it is doomed to fail
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
@@blossomjoseph5541 It Isn't in need of saving, yet!!!
@FireInTheSoul
@FireInTheSoul 3 жыл бұрын
King Arthur was Welsh. He was the King of Glamorgan and Gwent. He came from a long line of Welsh kings. There are many books out there with the true history of King Arthur. Artorius Rex by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett is a very informative book on this subject.
@marcguidetti3081
@marcguidetti3081 2 жыл бұрын
most Welsh legend states that Arthur is from Dumnonia and not Gwent
@boaringname203
@boaringname203 2 жыл бұрын
I'm apparently a descendant of uther pendragon through Arthur's sister Anna de Briton lady ardette, there's a bunch of Welsh Kings of various places (gwynedd and powys to name a couple) also manx chieftains and Dwxyd Kwxyd Eneid Cerwyd ap King of Druids Croydon if my family tree is true
@MystianPrincess
@MystianPrincess Жыл бұрын
@@boaringname203 I'm a descendant through her as well on my dad's side. Nice to meet you, far distant cousin. :)
@lesterjohnston8888
@lesterjohnston8888 Жыл бұрын
Nice one thank you
@TurboZera
@TurboZera 3 жыл бұрын
I love Arthurian Legends so much. Sir Galahad is my absolute favorite. Thank you so much for this amazing video! 😁👍
@heathergarnham9555
@heathergarnham9555 3 жыл бұрын
Bernard Cornwell's Warlord Chronicles is a interesting version of the Arthurian Legend.
@beth7935
@beth7935 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Interesting is exactly how I'd describe it.
@SuAva
@SuAva 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing the picture of Sir Percival you used from BBC's Merlin, I finally realized I know Tom Hopper from 3 things: Percival in Merlin, Dickon Tarly in GoT and Luther in The Umbrella Academy. Those gigs were so far apart I didn't recognize him from before each time, lol.
@hannahstahl1857
@hannahstahl1857 3 жыл бұрын
Also kinda similar to mordred is that one story in the Bible where all the first born sons of Egypt had to be killed.
@vodyanoy2
@vodyanoy2 3 жыл бұрын
and Bethlehem.
@prezentoappr1171
@prezentoappr1171 3 жыл бұрын
@@vodyanoy2 also herod and the one in moses time which is pharaoh?
@hayzyhorses6899
@hayzyhorses6899 3 жыл бұрын
Haha I learned about this in Prince of Egypt, that’s back in the Old Testament when God was okay with killing lots of people
@monabohamad2242
@monabohamad2242 2 жыл бұрын
@@hayzyhorses6899 not "was" still is and there's virtually endless proof/evidence/reasons why people outta NEVER bother pissing off god seemingly esp in older times
@Etienne784
@Etienne784 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge/investigation results with us Jack ! Regards from one of your French viewers !
@mcostafernando
@mcostafernando 3 жыл бұрын
"Arthur is mentioned as a war commander fighting alongside the Kings of The Britons in the Battle of Badon" - I heard one of his knights wetted himself during the battle.
@robertmiller9735
@robertmiller9735 3 жыл бұрын
Is that the same guy who nearly stood up to the Chicken of Bristol?
@joshuaalilovic3817
@joshuaalilovic3817 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video!! I’ve been waiting for this.
@shugafoo2847
@shugafoo2847 3 жыл бұрын
now turn him into a cute anime girl
@OliveOilFan
@OliveOilFan 3 жыл бұрын
She’s my waifu
@jiroandreigepanaga1551
@jiroandreigepanaga1551 3 жыл бұрын
@@OliveOilFan OUR WAIFU
@maestromars8487
@maestromars8487 3 жыл бұрын
@@jiroandreigepanaga1551 our blyat.
@JohnSmith-hd2tl
@JohnSmith-hd2tl 3 жыл бұрын
Shush kiddies
@marieburton8753
@marieburton8753 3 жыл бұрын
The sword and the stone is the art of pulling the metal ( sword ) from the stone. Merlin had the knowledge of this technology and some clairvoyance mixed with gnostic knowledge of alchemy that hardened the stone..He also was a brilliant strategists. Oh my mother's maiden name was Ambrosewicz. The origin is southern Lithuania or northern Poland. Depending on which timeline
@RavensEagle
@RavensEagle 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@blossomjoseph5541
@blossomjoseph5541 3 жыл бұрын
If Arthur (the bear) really existed, he was Briton, likely Cornish or Welsh.
@KateeAngel
@KateeAngel 3 жыл бұрын
100% he was. The whole original story is about a Brittonic leader fighting against Saxons, anything else was added later
@IONATVS
@IONATVS 3 жыл бұрын
Mallory calls the Kingdom he rules "Logris" but in practically all original accounts, whether they name his kingdom or not, it is explicitly a Brittonic kingdom in the Modern-day lands of Southern England while the Angles and Saxons still only had some footholds on the Island. So ethnically and linguistically closest to Welsh or Cornish, but geographically English. And basically all early accounts of Arthur credit the tales they based them on as originating in Wales, so there's that too. There is also a King Mark of Cornwall featured in many stories of his knights, particularly those featuring Sir Tristan and his lady love Iseult--basically a slight variation of the Arthur-Guenivere-Lancelot love triangle with a clearer "Hero"--Tristan and Iseult loved each other before Iseult was forced to marry King Mark, King Mark only married her, over both of their objections, to punish Sir Tristan for making him look bad and give him an excuse to exile Tristan and take his valuable lands the instant he hears rumors of their basically inevitable tryst, and King Mark has basically no redeeming qualities, at least in Mallory's account.
@TVwriter23
@TVwriter23 3 жыл бұрын
@@KateeAngel According to legend an Arthur killed his son, but his name wasn't Mordred.
@eamonlyons8318
@eamonlyons8318 3 жыл бұрын
There was an Artuir in Scotland. Irish though
@lesterjohnston8888
@lesterjohnston8888 Жыл бұрын
The film. Has Arthur a brit in the roman army until the Romans leave that seems more plausible
@mathieuleader8601
@mathieuleader8601 3 жыл бұрын
I like how ancient stories has alot of half-siblings in them and yet in modern fiction its untouched upon
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
Half-siblings are cool playmates but full-up Incest is the best!!!
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
@Anonymus X I have no idea who you are so I can't be sure, but, most likely you are?Do you have a problem with incest? What gender are you?
@prezentoappr1171
@prezentoappr1171 3 жыл бұрын
@@steveholton4130 u weirdo thats meme template unless there're deleted comm oh well
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
@@prezentoappr1171 meme is as foreign a language as Marsian.
@UkrainePatr1ot
@UkrainePatr1ot 3 жыл бұрын
Mordred has one grandmother and two grandfathers.
@_Abjuranax_
@_Abjuranax_ 3 жыл бұрын
Arthur Rex is a great book that highlights a more epic and heroic tale. In the final battle, Lancelot is impaling upwards of 100 knights on his lance, and the rest of the Knights fates are embellished in much the same style.
@sophiawilson8696
@sophiawilson8696 3 жыл бұрын
In some version of story Morgana is the half sister of Arthur on their mother side. That the boy they had together is their(Mordred) son. I know why they change this from BBC version. In other version they have same father.
@lp-xl9ld
@lp-xl9ld 2 жыл бұрын
"I am Arthur, king of the Britons!" "King of the who?" "The Britons!" "Who're the Britons?" I know, the PYTHON jokes have been done to death, but I couldn't resist
@JasperForge
@JasperForge 2 жыл бұрын
I like how Galahad out Mary Sues Lancalot who himself was Mary Sue
@gaton6116
@gaton6116 3 жыл бұрын
This is pretty intriguing. They should make a big budget tv show.
@WhoIsCalli
@WhoIsCalli 3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Thanks for including all the different stories
@wanderingrandomer
@wanderingrandomer 3 жыл бұрын
I live about 60 miles from Tintagel. It's always nice to hear Cornwall featured, however briefly, in history
@christdenguendeng1922
@christdenguendeng1922 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Usefulcharts, I have ordered 3 of your beautiful usefulcharts on September 2020 and they're not delivered yet. I live in Paris France so may be that is why it took so long (international shipment slowed by Covid19?), I look forward to receiving them. Keep doing the good work! Best regards, Chris.
@UsefulCharts
@UsefulCharts 3 жыл бұрын
They should definitely have arrived by now. Contact customer service using the website and they will send a new batch.
@christdenguendeng1922
@christdenguendeng1922 3 жыл бұрын
@@UsefulCharts Many thanks
@sayakchakraborty4206
@sayakchakraborty4206 3 жыл бұрын
It's weird to see Jack Rackam narrate something without any funny comments or witty remarks.
@AnnaBomBanana
@AnnaBomBanana 3 жыл бұрын
As stories of King Arthur mention Tintagle as his fortress, which is in Cornwall, it’s possible the ‘Pen’ part of the name would mean ‘hill’.
@JenniferinIllinois
@JenniferinIllinois 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Brave Sir Robin also went looking for the Grail. Hehehe...
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
At one time or another EVERYONE has looked for The GRAIL but so far No One has found or recognized it !!!
@suzbone
@suzbone 3 жыл бұрын
thousands at 0:22 "KING O' TH' WHO?!"
@RelativelyBest
@RelativelyBest 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me of The Lady of Shalott. It used to be one of my favorite songs but at some point I somehow forgot about it.
@rwolfheart6580
@rwolfheart6580 3 жыл бұрын
I would love a video on the Matter of France, too! There's some crossover with the Matter of Britain. For example the sorceress Melissa is said to be an apprentice of Merlin.
@bogdanmihai7795
@bogdanmihai7795 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! It has Monty Python’s And the holy grail refrences
@CelebrimborCurufinwe
@CelebrimborCurufinwe 3 жыл бұрын
Mr Rackham! I clicked on this not knowing anything about this channel and was pleasantly surprised to hear your voice! I will definitely be checking the rest of the videos on this channel out!
@amandasmith3716
@amandasmith3716 3 жыл бұрын
Wilson & Blackett, the Forensic Historians have spent decades researching King Arthur and have written many books. There are documentaries on YT about their research. They have found there were two King Arthurs of Glamorgan/Wales and they descended from the lost tribes of Israel. Richard D Hall of Richplanet interviewed them on numerous occasions. Check it out it if you want to know more.
@k8winn
@k8winn 3 жыл бұрын
love how u used pics from Merlin!!
@h.donnellgrayiii4276
@h.donnellgrayiii4276 2 жыл бұрын
THANKS FOR BREAKING THIS DOWN AS BEST AS I CAN FIND ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA
@ferrjuan
@ferrjuan 3 жыл бұрын
Ever since watching the Fate anime series I think only of King Arthur as a bishoujo blonde girl! Saber!!!
@linggao2602
@linggao2602 3 жыл бұрын
The story of Elaine of Astolot sounds like Tennyson’s poem Lady of Shalott, probably inspired by the legend then.
@JoseGonzalez-hp9uy
@JoseGonzalez-hp9uy 3 жыл бұрын
Love it, I wonder can you do an family tree of vlad the impaler family, I know you made one but it was mostly to show how the current queen of britain was related to him and it was pretty short and basic so maybe a more in depth one
@lovefromwonderland
@lovefromwonderland Жыл бұрын
Arthurian Legend is basically a story you have to string together using a bunch of fanfictions 😂
@gryph01
@gryph01 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent video. The Arthurian legends is simply that. I liked the novels that Bernard Cornwell wrote about Arthur. It seems to be a more realistic version of what Arthur would have been, of he existed at all.
@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4
@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4 3 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine what the parents would be like when they saw the order to kill the babies born in the same day as mordread. I guessing shock. But not as much shock as me with Jack being a guest speaker.
@harelkalifa2451
@harelkalifa2451 3 жыл бұрын
"Who would be the Anglo Saxon king of England?" If William lost the battle of Hastings, who would be king of England today?
@virginiastirnweis5214
@virginiastirnweis5214 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting question, I’d like to know the outcome too
@KingOfSciliy
@KingOfSciliy 3 жыл бұрын
Descendants of Harold II: - Godwin (no known issue) - Edmund (no known issue) - Magnus (may or may not be the Magnus, Count of Wrocław, and thus ancestor of the Duninowie / Łabędzie family) - Gytha (m. Vladimir II, Grand Prince of Kiev (Rurik Dynasty). Main line dead by Feodor I. Other branches may or may not exist) - Gunhild (m. Alan the Black (despite being a nun), no known issue) - Ulf (died imprisoned, issueless) - Harold (Disappeared on voyage) If not, then the heir of Edgar the Aetheling (Grandson of Edmund II Ironside) is Empress Matilda (daughter of Henry I and Matilda of Scotland, daughter of Malcolm III and Margaret, the sister of Edgar) and thus the current heir is Queen Elizabeth II
@harelkalifa2451
@harelkalifa2451 3 жыл бұрын
@@KingOfSciliy Shouldn't it be the kings of Scotland?
@KingOfSciliy
@KingOfSciliy 3 жыл бұрын
True. however since the crowns of England and Scotland would eventually converge into Great Britain, I just skipped the further analysis.
@harelkalifa2451
@harelkalifa2451 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe Anglo Saxon England had different rules of inheritance. + shouldn't it be tha Jacobite monarch?
@mordeys
@mordeys 2 жыл бұрын
Its still a magnificent story..even as you have told it... my blood pressure rises and i immediately pulled in... this and the stories like it have always been that way. The tension of good and evil or the mixing of the two.. romance and sacrifice... the drama and intrigue.. deep family secrets and mystical nature of the families...the understanding of the concept of purity and holiness and the immerse struggle that even pious ppl sometimes succumb.... the blaming of being driven to and over come by the lusts of the flesh on mystical devious evil designs that are then said to be the downfall of that person decades later by the fruit of that lustfull union. The ideas that perfection comes through divine or mystical gifts or training. That you can train and become exceptional but only through chastity(reaching for divinity) can you become perfect. The fact that you can be moral/ good and still be on the wrong side. That the quest/struggle/fight/journey is the story not the resolution of the quest. It also personifies the rule of NOT YOURS DONT TOUCH
@KomodoMagic
@KomodoMagic 3 жыл бұрын
Great video on the family tree of Saber ;)
@viracocha6093
@viracocha6093 3 жыл бұрын
No.
@jiroandreigepanaga1551
@jiroandreigepanaga1551 3 жыл бұрын
@@viracocha6093 yes
@DarkZ19
@DarkZ19 Жыл бұрын
@@jiroandreigepanaga1551 No
@rovert881
@rovert881 3 жыл бұрын
But how does Arthur know so much about swallows?
@robertmiller9735
@robertmiller9735 3 жыл бұрын
You've got to know those things when you're a king, you know.
@steveholton4130
@steveholton4130 3 жыл бұрын
He learned it all by watching Sword Swallowers and Lusty Ladies.!
@Jacob-W-5570
@Jacob-W-5570 3 жыл бұрын
So basically everyone sleeps with everyone, and they hold grudges.
@monabohamad2242
@monabohamad2242 2 жыл бұрын
who tf's "everyone"?
@carolinegodden4364
@carolinegodden4364 10 ай бұрын
Thanks
@shinjinobrave
@shinjinobrave 3 жыл бұрын
Arthur was a Welsh ruler whose best friend was the Welsh-Saxon son of a slave Derfel Cadern and I won't accept any other version!
@myriamercolino3361
@myriamercolino3361 3 жыл бұрын
Through my grandfather and my father I descent from king Cunobelinus the Pendragon and from king Caractaco the Pendragon, from king Arvirago of Siluria in Wales, too
@levimcglinchey5843
@levimcglinchey5843 3 жыл бұрын
Always knew Merlin was a stalker, could just tell
@fellicojelisarrivera8434
@fellicojelisarrivera8434 2 жыл бұрын
Mind you, this is the later family tree of the romances. Earlier, Morgause was Uther's daughter and Arthur's Full Sister while Morgan was completely unrelated. Lancelot, obviously, never existed or was an Independent Hero that got absorbed by Arthur's Myth. Guinevere may have had kids with Arthur (Possible contenders: Amr, Gwydre, Loholt and/or Duran) and Her real love Interest was Mordred, who was just a Nephew (See Diarmuid, Tristan and Naoise for similar Wife-stealing Nephews in Celtic Myth).
@user-pq4fc1mc7q
@user-pq4fc1mc7q 4 ай бұрын
Those were all bastards STOP ATTRIBUTING ARTHUR'S BASTARDS TO GUINEVERE. She gets Mordred's and Lancelot's children attributed to her as well, leave her alone. At least in the case of Galahad that is kind of her son.
@fellicojelisarrivera8434
@fellicojelisarrivera8434 4 ай бұрын
@@user-pq4fc1mc7q there's no hard evidence for whether or not Arthur's sons were bastards or not. They are only mentioned off-handedly in the sources we can find them in with hardly any elaboration. On the contrary, there is a good possibility that those boys ARE Guinevere's legit kids. The biggest contender is *Loholt* - He is indeed Guinevere's son in the stories of _Perlesvaus_ and _Lanzelet_ These stories predate the Vulgate cycle's inclusion of an "illegitimate Loholt" by a "Lisanor" Lanzelet, in particular, is special because its the earliest work where Lancelot *isn't* Guinevere's lover, indicating that it might be based on traditions that predate Chretien de troyes' _Knight of the Cart_ Which in turn means Loholt *_may be traditionally Guinevere's son long before Lancelot got popular as a character_* since Loholt appears in Lanzelet, lamenting the abduction of his mother, Ginover/Guinevere. The attributation of Mordred's son as Guinevere's son is also attested in medieval lore as well. It is found in _Alliterative Morte Arthur_ , a work based on the chronicle traditions, where Lancelot is nonexistent and Mordred is affirmably Guinevere's love interest. The best argument for Melehan and his brother being Guinevere's sons, is that *Mordred has no love interest other than Guinevere* - Mordred, from the earliest iterations of the mythos, is traditionally in love with Guinevere and is an abductor alongside Melwas, Gazosein and Yder. All possible alternative love interests for Mordred - a certain "Cwylloc" and "Gwenhwyfach" - come from Post-Malory welsh sources, that are most certainly _inauthentic_ Only Galahad is firmly not Guinevere's son, primarily because Galahad needs to be a blood relative of the Grail Family, which Guinevere is not. EDIT: LOL, I just remembered: *Lancelot and Guinevere DO have children together* - in the (admittedly Post-Malory) Portuguese work _Memorial das Proezas de Segunda Tavola Redonda_ - Guinevere gives birth to twins by the names of Florismarte and Andronia. Another *_hilarious_* concept is the giant Gargantua, who is the origin of the english word "gargantuan". According the anonymous _Le Grandes Chronique de enorme geant Gargantua_ , Gargantua was giant created by Merlin using the Blood and fingernails of Lancelot and Guinevere, making Gargantua an artificial *_grandson_* of Lancelot and Guinevere's
@fellicojelisarrivera8434
@fellicojelisarrivera8434 4 ай бұрын
@@user-pq4fc1mc7q There's no hard evidence as to whether or not Arthur's sons were bastards or not. They are merely mentioned off-handedly and with little elaboration. On the contrary, there is a strong possibility that these boys are Guinevere's Legitimate sons. The biggest contender of which is *Loholt* - he is directly stated to be Guinevere's Legitimate son in the works _Perlevaus_ and _Lanzelet_ , both of which predate the Vulgate cycle by a few years. _Lanzelet_ in particular, is special because it is the earliest story where Lancelot *isn't* Guinevere's lover, indicating its based on a tradition that predates Chretien de Troyes' _Knight of the Cart_ Since Loholt appears in _Lanzelet_ as Guinevere's son, lamenting her abduction, this is pretty big evidence that Loholt *IS traditionally Guinevere's son.* Mordred's sons being Guinevere's sons is also attested in medieval lore, particularly _Alliterative Morte Arthure_ which is based on the chronicle traditions where Mordred is Guinevere's love interest. Only Galahad is not Guinevere's son, mostly because Galahad needs to be a blood relation of the Grail family, which Guinevere is not. EDIT: A big argument against the childlessness of Guinevere is the fact that *divorce* is a recommended sanction in a fruitless marriage. By the _Cyfraith Hywel_ (traditional welsh law), Guinevere's queenship is in jeopardy if she doesn't produce an heir within the first seven years of a marriage.
@user-pq4fc1mc7q
@user-pq4fc1mc7q 4 ай бұрын
@@fellicojelisarrivera8434 There's really not much possibility. They're not princes. Loholt is clearly a bastard in De Troyes which predates those two sources. Mordred's sons were originally with some other woman. Guinevere's name means white. Winter, infertility. She's associated with the underworld. Arthur stayed married to her because she is the land personified, she gives him legitimacy (in the romances this is modified so that she comes with and presumably goes with a fellowship of knights). You could ask why Mark stayed married to Iseult also But thank you for the long reply
@fellicojelisarrivera8434
@fellicojelisarrivera8434 4 ай бұрын
@@user-pq4fc1mc7q Loholt is just called a meritous youth in Chretien. There's functionally no hard confirm on the bastardry angle. In fact, in one Chretien's stories, Arthur swears by his father, mother and his son in the same breath as if Loholt was his legit son. In welsh myth, the character Loholt is based on, Llacheu, is called one of the Well-endowed/Well-off men of the Island of Britain, alongside Gwalchmai/Gawain. That means to me he's an edling - an heir. And Mordred really doesn't any other love interest other than Guinevere. Two suggested alternative love interests - a "Cwyllog" and a "Gwenhwyfach" - come from Post-Malory sources (Gwenhwyfach predates Malory BUT is never mentioned as Mordred's significant in early works). Indeed, in Robert Wace's _Brut_ Mordred revolts specifically out of love for Guinevere. Why is Mordred vying for the hand of his uncle's childless wife if he already has a significant other? The "Gwen" part of Guinevere means white but it has the connotations of "Blessed" or "Beautiful". You can't be "Blessed" if your barren like winter - life production is sacred. Ex: Olwen ("white track") creates flowers with her footsteps This argument just makes Arthur look stupid. Why would he marry something that symbolizes something that can't bear fruit? That's dooming the kingdom to starvation. Winter is not associated with "prosperous rule" Winter is awful in general - *Undesirable* - especially in the British Isles with its unpredictable weather. Its why the Celts venerated light and fire - Belenus, Lugh, Nuada, etc. If anything, its May season Guinevere is associated with - its when she's siezed by her abductors usually and flowers are her most common motif in art. Heck, reading the stories, Gwen spends most of her abduction time _during_ the winter months, not summer. If you're going to use the "sovereignty myth" argument, you realise that winter is not something associated with beauty or prosperity in celtic myth. I point to Beira/Cailleach, an old hag and personification of winter. EDIT: Isolde has kids, too. Ysaye le Triste come to mind. _Tavola Ritonda_ introduces a twin son and daughter of Tristan and Isolde.
@OO-oe3th
@OO-oe3th 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, all my friends love Merlin so know I feel educated, also just got the Timeline Book in the mail, it's great
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 3 жыл бұрын
I could just hear Arthur screaming for Merlin...
@JagerLange
@JagerLange 3 жыл бұрын
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH MAT- oh wait, you just said. Hi Jack.
@ashesfalldown492
@ashesfalldown492 3 жыл бұрын
It is so fascinating how older more Pagan ideas were translated into Christian ones to keep the Arthur tale alive.
@-RONNIE
@-RONNIE 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video 👍🏻 keep up the good work
@SithFam
@SithFam 2 ай бұрын
King Arthur starts the line of “ Kernow” later anglicized to “Curnow” hence Kernow being Cornish for Cornwall
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