History of Baptist & Methodist Churches

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FULL SERIES:
Episode 1: Origins & Early Schisms
• Christian Origins & Ea...
Episode 2: Roman Catholics & Eastern Orthodoxy
• History of Roman Catho...
Episode 3: Anglicans, Lutherans & Reformed
• History of Anglican, L...
Episode 4: Anabaptists & Quakers
• History of Anabaptists...
Episode 5: Baptists & Methodists
• History of Baptist & M...
Episode 6: Mormons, Adventists & JWs
• History of Mormon, Adv...
Episode 7: Pentecostals & Charismatics
• History of Holiness, P...
Episode 8: Miscellaneous Groups
• Obscure Churches You M...
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CREDITS:
Chart & Narration by Matt Baker
Animation by Syawish Rehman
Audio editing by Ali Shahwaiz
Theme music: “Lord of the Land” by Kevin MacLeod and licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license 4.0. Available from incompetech.com

[@UsefulCharts]

Check out Ready to Harvest's video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIi1eGyKa7qkeqc

[@logicus.thomistica]

As a Catholic I love this series

[@raetekusu1]

Question for you, boss. Currently the graph shows that the Second Great Awakening's many emergent denoms are limited to four groups. Will you be covering the Campbellite+Millerite denominations? I'd be interested to see these, as my own denom growing up (Churches of Christ) was one of the denoms that emerged from this movement and they emerged from the SGA.

[@Varangian82]

What a wonderful work! Btw will we get Islamic Denominations Family Tree in the future?

[@quoteh]

I’m from the United Protestant Church of France and I’m so happy to see it in your videos 🥹 I know you can’t fit everything on the chart but do you think you can just mention the names of the two merged churches : the Reformed Church of France (est. 1938 uniting various reformed church bodies and methodists) and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of France (est. 1872 after the loss of Alsace Lorraine), the latter being your green line on the chart :)

[@Naomi_Thornock]

Please stop using the term Mormon for The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints it is just a nickname and not an official name and their are 15 million members.

[@erso5172]

I'm not religious at all but this has been one of my favourite series to follow on KZbin

[@wiel5908]

Same

[@juanfervalencia]

I'm an Atheist, but this series, and the introduction to the Bible are delightful.

[@AnaIvanovic4ever]

Same here.

[@JonK...]

It's my experience that atheists and non- religious people are the most religious of all. Adherents to the cults of Climate Change, Aboriginal Sovereignty and LGBTQ et al are prime examples. You only have to consider the actions of Saint Greta of Sweden and Saint Lydia of Victoria to hear their dogmas, see their high priestess, and observe their rigid intolerance of all who don't subscribe to their beliefs and oracles of divine wisdom.

[@jrak193]

I'm an Atheist, but I grew up as a Southern Baptist. It's fascinating seeing where my old denomination falls on the chart. I never realized until watching this video what made Evangelicals different from other Christians, but looking back that's exactly how it was. It was always about forming a personal relationship with God. I think me growing up in an Evangelical church was probably part of the reason I ended up deconverting so early in my life because it is SO weird. The people are nice, but I just couldn't help myself but to think they were all insane to think about God like a long lost father who just wants to love you and for you to love him back.

[@johnpaulkahlert3967]

I think if Germany & Australia are close to 50-50 you could "checker" them with yellow and green to show this. I think this would help give people a better idea than just choosing one or the other.

[@varana]

Also, for Germany, it's not that the Catholics "get ahead". It's that they're losing members slightly slower than Protestants. Less than half of Germany's population is Christian (of any denomination). It's also quite regionalised - some areas are Catholic, some are Protestant. Colouring the whole country as one block, really misses the point. But these "let's take the dominant {whatever} and paint the whole area that way" are one of the weakest and most misleading (sometimes dangerously so) types of map that exist.

[@javindhillon6294]

Dude what are you talking about

[@zacdredge3859]

I don't think it really is that close here in Australia. There are plenty of Catholics around, sure, but I wouldn't say they are as numerous. I guess it depends if you count 'lapsed' or non-practising Catholics though. It also is tricky to get meaningful surveys on stuff like that as I think a lot of people are displaced or changing aspects of their practice/membership post-Covid.

[@hikaru-live]

I'd suggest using checkered patterns for all countries where the difference between the two leading denominations are less than 10% of the larger group.

[@Zwerggoldhamster]

Or maybe have Germany be protesntant with catholic points in the north, and vice versa in the south.

[@ten4l]

As a Christian in Korea, I had to double check when realizing that the Presbyterian Church (Hapdong) and (Tonghab) denominations were on this chart! I had absolutely zero expectation of any Korean denomination showing up here. Amazing job!

[@roidrannoc1691]

Christianity: How many denominations do you want? The English speaking world: yes

[@revinhatol]

Italy: NO

[@fourthplateau944]

All religious groups break into smaller groups that have slightly varying beliefs. It's only fitting it would be on a larger scale when applying that logic to the largest religion.

[@abudia6403]

If you hadnt mention Josh from Ready to Harvest being Baptist, most probably would never know this. He is always so impartial and professional with all of his presentations.

[@TheFranchiseCA]

The people in his comments section are mostly lunatics, though. Really too bad.

[@abudia6403]

@@TheFranchiseCA 🤣🤣

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

@@TheFranchiseCA so true, love his content but the comments are something else

[@johningram420]

If you Google his name and ready to harvest you can find a forum post from 2018 where he introduces himself as a Baptist pastor

[@ammsgod1764]

Most of his early videos are comparing other denominations within independent Baptist, which is how I kind of guessed he was an independent Baptist

[@EAlyahya]

I wanna watch Jewish version of family tree of its denominations, including all the various dynasties of Hassidism.

[@SamAronow]

There are like 100 Hasidic dynasties, and a few non-dynastic Hasidic branches!

[@neitan6891]

Yes! I would love that

[@faturechi]

There is a very good Atlas of Hasidic Judaism that came out recently. It is very expensive, though. Dr. Henry Abramson's KZbin channel is excellent in describing Jewish history in about as non-denominational and academic as I think you can get.

[@therongjr]

Me, too! I'd love to see how rabbinic Judaism came to dominate, and look at the other traditions that existed earlier. ​@@SamAronow, have you done a video about that?

[@SamAronow]

@@therongjr "Rabbinic Judaism" is only used here to differentiate Judaism after the fall of the Temple, but Jewish thought and practice as something primarily directed by rabbis had been the norm since Simon the Just, a contemporary of Alexander the Great.

[@ilznidiotic]

Damn. George Whitefield must have pissed off his portraitist something fierce.

[@UsefulCharts]

He actually did have cross eyes in real life so I guess the painter was just being as accurate as possible.

[@Phonixrmf]

To day I'm celebrating Eid. I have had my feast for today and now this! What a great day it has been

[@UsefulCharts]

Eid Mubarak!

[@reality1701]

Eid Mubarak!

[@Sir_Ross]

Glad you finally covered us Methodists. One Correction on what you said: George Whitfield was called a Calvinistic Methodist because he rejected the concept of free will, but he was definitely not a Calvinist

[@TraysonMartin]

Honestly UsefulCharts and Ready to Harvest's collab has to be my most highly anticipated collab

[@bflaminio]

This series feels like an extended version of the Emo Phillips "Die Heretic" joke.

[@jdotoz]

Me too!

[@scottmerritt9877]

Yep it’s my favorite.

[@WHHW23]

Thank you so much for integrating viewer feedback in your work! I'm loving the series and can't wait for the final chart.

[@nategar412]

Great video! I've heard that the difference between Baptists and Methodists is that Methodists say hi to each other at the liquor store. YMMV. 😂

[@SteveW139]

Some Methodists abjure alcohol and are respected for their choice, but those who do drink are generally relatively abstemious.

[@nategar412]

@@SteveW139 thanks. Born and raised Southern Baptist. In every SBC church I've attended, drinking alcohol at all, even in moderation, has been discouraged if not outright condemned, if it was mentioned at all. That's my way of saying that it's just a joke.

[@EarlJohn61]

At least the Baptists have the Bible on their side... I'm sure that you've heard of John the Baptist... But you've never yet heard of Paul the Methodist!

[@fighterofthenightman1057]

@@EarlJohn61There’s nothing in the Bible about abstaining from alcohol entirely. That’s why all of the normal I mean traditional denominations don’t teach that, and it’s only the fringe groups that do.

[@coolmanab_42069]

As someone from Australia, I would say the Uniting Church here is mainly Methodist like you stated in the video, about 1/3 of the Presbyterian churches still align with the Presbyterian denomination whereas most but not all of the Congregational churches joined UCA but some formed the conservative Fellowship of Congregational Churches (which is where I’m from). Additionally, the Wesleyan Methodist Church of Australia comes from the American branch, not the British branch, and thus still exists separate of the Uniting Church

[@matthewjulius5401]

Hi Aaron, As a Uniting Church in Australia (UCA) member I might want to nuance this a bit. At union (1977) the Methodist and Presbyterian churches were comparable in size. 1/3 of the Presbyterian Church did not join union; while the Methodists were "all in" with their voting. In practice the UCA is more Presbyterian or more Methodist depending where you are. In some Synods (regions) they lean more Methodist, in others more Presbyterian. I'd say at an official level the theology leans more (progressive) Presbyterian - at least I try to shape it that way 😅😅 Liturgical it's a mix of both. We're a complicated bunch in the UCA.

[@sherrijennings9309]

hi Matthew and Aaron, I'd like to add to your nuance; my experience of the uniting church (been there 37 years) is that the theology is really a "board chutch" and really depends on the individual congregation, and the individuals in that congregation. We have a variety of views in our congregation, and that's OK. I couldn't belong to a church where I was expected to think certain things, and thinking for myself was discouraged (like in some pentecostal churches). We have a few members who have come from the Methodist tradition and don't drink, gamble, or dance, but they don't expect everyone to hold those views.

[@redmonds9367]

Appreciating all the nuance, but to answer Matt's question, yes the Uniting Church in Australia is probably best placed under the Methodist branch on your chart as the Methodist church was the largest group at union given the split in presbyterian churches that joined (see Aaron and Matt's comments about the split)

[@matthewjulius5401]

@@redmonds9367 Fair.

[@Dave_Sisson]

My understanding is that when the Uniting Church was created in 1977, all Methodists, almost all Congregationalists and most Presbyterians joined. However a minority of the more conservative Presbyterians formed a "continuing" Presbyterian Church. In the 1980s they were joined by a few former Presbyterians defecting from the Uniting Church. However the conservative 'continuing' Presbyterians represented a minority of the church in 1977 and most Presbyterians at the time joined the Uniting Church and stayed in it.

[@jameshigh6481]

As a Southern Baptist from Texas, I have been greatly enjoying this deep dive into the various denominations. I also like the way you stick with the facts and don't opine on the merits or downside of any particular group. But, then again, this is very consistent with your work.

[@siarhian10]

perhaps historical denominations that are now extinct should have a symbol to show it, like on "real" family trees (though maybe only the historically important ones that lead to the living ones?)

[@katherinegilks3880]

There are very few extinct groups on the chart, and for those that are, he has mentioned their extinction. Most of these groups still have some adherents or they have successor groups.

[@comb528491]

This Eid Present is exactly what I wanted. Thanks for uploading

[@UsefulCharts]

Eid Mubarak!

[@revinhatol]

Maaf zahir dan batin!

[@revinhatol]

@@UsefulCharts Maaf zahir dan batin (Forgive the [wrong] deeds and thoughts)!

[@SeekingTruth2023]

Hi Matt, thank you for your wonderful work! Would you be interested to make a video on Korean cults? It seems an interesting development. There are so many "Christian" groups in Korea, who came from earlier times and then turned into harmful high control groups. (For example the Unification Church) Unfortunately, there is not much awareness, where all these "new" religions came from. And many people fall for them. For example there is the Shincheonji church, which developed from at least 4 former groups. Hosaeng Prayer House, Temple of the Tabernacle, Recreation Church. Maybe a video on the development of these churches may help people to get informed about them... I would be happy, if you are interested.

[@hokton8555]

i dont remember did he include P'ent'ay (ethiopian protestants)? theyre quite large too

[@makearunat]

How are those 'cults' any different from those that broke off from mainstream denominations?

[@revinhatol]

​@@hokton8555 Mekane Yesus

[@Fenrir214]

As a korean its going to be a hell of a job cuz it traces its history from mixing catholic based cults, protestant based cults, and mixes with buddhism, taoism, confucianism, and cheondoism. It merges together and becomes sort of an inbreeding starting from the late japanese occupation period to the early post korean war period. Personally itll be easier to see where the cult leaders studied and got influenced from like Moon seonmyeong, Lee Manhee, Choi Taemin, etc.

[@stickychocolate8155]

Oh good point. I have a friend who managed to leave one of those cults. I'm not sure of the official name but she calls them the "moonies"

[@Shocked-Face]

Is it possible that you could include non-American Baptists in your chart? Baptist Christianity is also a fairly popular in Canada, so it would be interesting to see where they come from. Your chart is great as always, thanks for the video!

[@thestarsands]

I went to a Catholic primary school while attending the Salvation Army Church and even as a kid I knew there was a difference between the two I was being taught but I never knew how - thank you for showing this!

[@Joseuel]

Protestantism is growing fast in Brazil, and one of the main churches is the "congregação cristã no Brasil", that also branched to "assembléia de Deus" at some point. I always thought this church would branch from baptists, but wikipedia says they come from anabaptist tradition. These churches are strong in Brazil and probably also in neighboring countries in latin america, like Argentina, Peru and Chile. I don't know if you plan to cover these churches in later episodes, but I would like to see from where they branch, considering they are important in Brazil which is the largest country in latin america.

[@nelsonbastias9993]

Brazil worship music is very beautiful, greetings from Chile!

[@thadsul]

He said he would talk about pentecostalism in the 7th episode. Most brazilian protestants are within this tradition

[@GleidsonTseva]

Pentecostal churches are huge here in Brazil, I hope he talk about us when talking about pentecostalism.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Most denominations are growing fast in Brazil, because Brazil is very Christian and has a growing population. I believe Pentecostalism is growing the fastest, but you would need to contextualize that by comparing with other denominations.

[@Cr7Micto]

@@KnuttyEntertainment It used to be very Christian, not so much today

[@daniel.shalome]

26:00 finally it makes sense. this whole series was so worth the wait. thank you man thank you so much

[@thatonenerd21]

It feels like the longest 7 days of my life waiting for a new video.

[@bobSeigar]

I don't know how new it is, but I do greatly appreciate the "Host Note" at the bottom left when starting the videos.

[@smkruzik]

I've never waited for another part of a video series the way I've been waiting for these! Great work. Very informative

[@johnathanbowes5996]

These videos are great! In a future video, could you talk about the Christian denominations in Hawaiʻi? US missionaries and the Anglican Church played a key part in the history of Hawaiʻi and how it went from an independent nation to a US state.

[@Cr7Micto]

I believe that if not big enough, there is no reason to talk, sorry

[@HightechSoldier1]

The best serie ever...instead of paying thousand of dollars for an historic religious education...thank you very much...very appreciated

[@bdlarsen1225]

As a LDS, look forward to the next episode. I am interested in what branches of Mormonism you will put on the chart. There are quite a few in the Church's history. LDS, Community of Christ (RLDS), Remnant LDS, and the fundamenalists are the largest I think.

[@jdotoz]

Whether LDS belongs on this chart at all is going to be somewhat controversial.

[@iggle6448]

@@jdotoz 👍

[@diegobaird]

As a exmo I am forward as well. I to see more of branches of Mormonism that are not well known. I have heard other branch off.

[@MrCoxmic]

if nothing else this series highlights the differences in theology and the lds may actually have the biggest chasm in christian theology, i'm not saying they are not christian (in their intrepretation) just that it is dramatically different, when many of these christian denominations/churches cannot even accept that the others are christian and vice-a-versa the lds are another big step

[@bdlarsen1225]

@@jdotoz Matt made it clear this is from an academic perspective rather than a doctrinal one. Size, scope and basic beliefs, the movement as a whole belongs on the chart.

[@dr.casebolt]

Thanks for adding the Shakers, as important as they were on influencing physical culture in the US people should know about them

[@nikaculebra8435]

Really loving this series. Matt, what a great job!

[@chrisdziedzic2544]

Matt, another great episode! I do wonder if you want to add a (smaller?) dotted line from the Anabaptists to the early Baptists to show the influence one group had on the other, even though the Baptists are more in line with the Separatists. Looking forward to Episodes 6 and 7.

[@martykenney11]

They definitely are. Yes they have grown different since but no doubt the Anabaptists of Holland theology was much inline with what became the Baptists, especially the American Baptists set up by Williams in Providence Rhode Island

[@ObligatoryReference]

I love this chart, but it's starting to remind me of that Emo Philips joke: "Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over."

[@epicsamurai5]

I can't wait for the finished chart.

[@KamalaKountry]

You should add the Independent Fundamentalist Baptists and New Independent Fundamentalist Baptists. Great videos! I'm loving this series!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Should probably have the Evangelical Congregational Church under the Methodists. They started as a German-speaking conference of Methodists (you have them on here as Albright Bretheren) in the Lancaster County, PA area but the Methodist Church wouldn't accept them so they formed their own denomination. They experienced a split over congregationalism and the part that split off eventually became the EC Church, the rest as the Evangelical Church eventually ended up EUB and then United Methodist. They are primarily in PA, Ohio, and Illinois.

[@chrismichaelyoung]

I wanted to also point out that the United Brethren wasn't covered nearly as much as I had hoped, as there was a split that led to the UBIC and EUB and was led by the father of the Wright brothers, Bishop Milton Wright. They split over whether members of the church should be allowed to take part in secret societies such as the Freemasons, among other things. The majority believed that it should be allowed, and formed the EUB. Where the EUB joined the Methodists, the UBIC is still very much alive today with Huntington University in Indiana and a museum in Lancaster, PA and many churches in between and abroad. I think I've heard that it was believed the United Brethren fully merged with the Methodists but it didn't.

[@weepingscorpion8739]

Really cool episode again. Looking forward to see more about the Plymouth Brethren which have managed to become the 2nd largest denomination in the Faroe Islands at around 10-12%. It's second only to the Faroese People's Church to which I belong and which broke off from the Danish People's Church in 2007 as an independent church. Probably one of the smallest in the world with around 45,000 members. I don't have the exact number.

[@neitan6891]

I’m loving this series! I’d LOVE to see series on branches of the various world religions as well. Thank you for all the work you put into this channel!

[@annariijarvi8866]

I’ve loved this series, as I do all of your religion ones! One addition to the tree I’d like to point out would be the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland. They separated from the Swedish one in 1809 (because Sweden lost the area that became known as Finland to Russia after a war, but because Finland became an autonomous part of the Russian Empire we got to keep our religion). And yes, I’m from Finland which is why I noticed this 😂

[@sdrawkcabUK]

The question is - does Finland exist?? 🤔🤔

[@AnaIvanovic4ever]

It is fascinating how almost all names of political and religious movements used to be derogatory names. Cavaliers and Roundheads, Puritans, the Democratic Donkey and Republican Elephant was insults from the beginning as well if I remember correctly. And also Methodists.

[@jasonnickel384]

One missing Baptist conference in the US is the NABC (North American Baptist Conference) which was started by German Baptists in Philadephia in the 1840s.

[@jamesellis1190]

Long term Uniting Church in Australia member here :) At Union in 1977, the entire Methodist church of Australasia joined the Uniting Church. About 2/3 of the Presbyterian Church and 3/4 of the Congregationalist Church also joined. The UCA is the formal and legal successor of all three churches, but Congregational churches and Presbyterian churches continued after 77 (although in a far more conservative way - for example the Presbyterian Church of Australia had ordained women for decades but voted to stop the practice in the early 90s). The UCA while Methodist (and Presbyterian and Congregationalist) in heritage, has formed its own identity as contained in our Basis of Union.

[@jps0117]

@4:37 Those are some kick-ass names. I'm gonna join one of those groups so I can tell people I'm a "Digger", "Ranter" or "Muggletonian"!

[@rogerstone3068]

Unfortunately, that would make you extinct.

[@henricoz_9745]

​​@@rogerstone3068 Nice

[@jps0117]

@@rogerstone3068 That doesn't sound so bad :)

[@WesleyFreedom]

Great Video - one note: The Methodist Episcopal Church was founded in Baltimore in 1784, before Wesley's death. Due to the lack of Anglican clergy in America leading to there not being sacraments for Americans, Wesley took the extraordinary step of ordaining Thomas Coke as a Superintendent (bishop) and sending him to America with a new methodist prayerbook & articles of religion for a new denomination.

[@justanotheryoutubefan8070]

I am so beyond excited for the complete chart and to purchase it!!

[@georgebernard5783]

24:19 Only 70% of the Presbyterian Church in Canada joined the United Church of Canada and the original denomination still exists today though only numbering just under 90,000

[@stephaniecarroll1542]

Same thing happened in Australia, and now the Australian Presbyterian Church is comparatively conservative. There was one Minister in a church a suburb over from mine who was the last female Presbyterian Minister in Australia because they abolished the ordination of women after the split/merger with the UCA but they couldn't un-ordain an existing Minister 😅

[@marinhoizaias]

I'm baptist since I was a child and that's the most accurate video I've ever seen about church history

[@cswrye]

I was very happy to see the Landmark Baptists and the Trail of Blood! It's a fringe theory that I grew up with, and even though it's totally ridiculous, I enjoy seeing it get mentioned. I usually see this theory called Baptist Successionism, although from what I can tell, it's the same thing as Landmark Baptism. I was originally disappointed that Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) were not on the chart, but I think that the way Matt handled it was fine. He's focusing mostly on denominations and conventions, and the Baptist Bible Fellowship International (BBFI) is the closest thing that the IFB has to a convention. I do personally think it would be better to clarify that it was IFB churches that formed the BBFI, maybe by putting them on the line between the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) and the BBFI. I also think it's worthwhile to mention that the SBC also goes by the name Great Commission Baptists. It hasn't officially changed its name, so it shouldn't be updated on the chart itself, but there has been talk of changing the name for a while, so it's good to acknowledge the alternate name. I was a bit disappointed that the Church of the Nazarene didn't make the cut under Methodists. I'm still hoping he talks about them when he goes into the Holiness Movement. The history of the Nazarenes is tied pretty closely to the Holiness Movement and the Third Great Awakening (much like the Salvation Army), even though theologically, they have more in common with Methodist and Wesleyan churches than with other holiness churches. EDIT: Based on other comments, it looks like he's going to cover the Church of the Nazarene along with the other holiness churches when he gets to the Third Great Awakening.

[@anemicgoalhop495]

So the Trail of Blood theory is ridiculous? Give me your best points against it.

[@baneofbanes]

Growing up a Baptist studying it’s history is always pretty complicated. Glad to have this video.

[@joshuaagnouyan72]

Actually, the Catholic Church does not circulate with just Roman Catholicism only for there are a lot of Catholic churches with different rites that are in communion with the Bishop of Rome. Most common rite is the Latin or the Roman Rite. There are also other rites such as the Armenian Rite, Alexandrian Rite, Byzantine Rite, and many more.

[@t_ylr]

Yeah I've been to a Maronite Catholic church with an Arabic rite. It's was really beautiful.

[@revcrussell]

Being in communion with the bishop of Rome is what makes you Roman Catholic. There is orthodoxy, not necessarily orthopraxy.

[@dinocollins720]

Hyped for Latter-day Saints next episode!

[@christiancarlson2983]

Great video! Just one typo at 0:22 where you put "Later Day Saints" instead of "Latter Day Saints". Again, thanks for this great series of videos!!

[@quoteh]

Hi Matt, thank you so much for your videos. At 2:58 I think the correct name is World Communion of Reformed Churches.

[@UsefulCharts]

You are correct! I'll fix it.

[@IowaRonin]

Play all this channel's videos at 1.75 speed

[@Koutouhara]

I wonder if at the end of the series or in a separate video if you'll talk about Unitarian Universalists? Some of their origins are from the two groups in their name, the Unitarians and the Universalists, to make a wholly new kind of group. UU's often get mistaken as just Unitarians or just Universalists (they also I think have a little influence from the Quakers early on too and get compared to them a lot) but UUs are a secular group instead - so you can have UU Buddhists, UU Pagans, UU Jews, UU XYZ, etc. Since it's more about bringing people together from different backgrounds to a common place of understanding under a covenant that doesn't put people at odds. I've worked at one for over 9 years but it's been amazing to have that sense of community without being forced to believe what everyone next to you does. We all have our own beliefs but still sing, work, eat, & drink together in one congregation. It's kinda cool to see something come out the other side of Christianity that isn't more dogma - especially something that, to me, would normally be traumatizing. I left the Southern Baptist religion my family follows because it was against my views and traumatizing to me. I became a Shintō practitioner to heal myself and reconnect with my heritage; But the US doesn't have that many Shintō shrines, and especially none where I live in TX. I needed some place I could still follow my Shintō beliefs and also have a community of people that respect and challenge me as a person 🩵✨💙✨

[@madamekadz]

Interesting video. I'm a Methodist from Jamaica in the Caribbean. Methodism was brought to the Caribbean from England by Dr. Thomas Coke in 1786. The council for the region is known as Methodist Churches in the Caribbean and Americas (M.C.C.A.) and includes Central American countries eg. Belize & Panama, Caribbean Islands and Guyana.

[@matthewjohnson7241]

Matt, thank you so much for this series! I eagerly wait for every episode. Question on this one. I grew up in the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches. Where would they fall in the Baptist tree and in comparative size where do they stack up to those listed? Thank you again!

[@UsefulCharts]

You should ask Joshua from Ready to Harvest. He'd be able to give a much better answer.

[@MargeryMark]

Absolutely fascinating! Even I, as an anti-clericalist, find this remarkably interesting and educational. More please! Thank you!

[@SpaveFrostKing]

As a non-religious person this fascinates and confuses me. Do all these groups think "we're the correct Christianity, everyone else is wrong"?

[@lizzycorvus5109]

I mean everyone thinks their stance is correct, but how far they take that stance varies, ranging from fairly friendly ecumenical relations between mainline churches to hardcore Independent Baptists who think Catholics are pagan

[@sbennett2435]

Yep. Talk about confusing huh? Some even think the others aren't even Christians.

[@wolliveryoutube]

Yes. Those who don’t think that usually don’t hold very strongly to their doctrine. You have to realize that these are extremely important issues dividing Christians. Something like the Filioque may seem like an extremely trivial issue to people looking in from the outside, but to Eastern Orthodox Christians it is vital that the Filioque be resisted. To include it throws the whole way Christians viewed the Trinity out of whack, in their views.

[@jdotoz]

​@@wolliveryoutube To be clear, opposition to the filioque ranges from "It's heretical" to "The west shouldn't have added it to the Creed like that." There are Orthodox who have no theological objections to it.

[@cswrye]

It depends on the denomination. There are definitely some that believe they are the only "true" Christian church, but they are in the minority. Most accept that other denominations are Christians, but they are in error on some non-essential elements of theology. Some denominations don't even disagree on theology--they formed due to geographic, cultural, or political reasons that made it more practical to organize separately, but they still agree with other denominations. There are councils of denominations that share beliefs.

[@Amish_Trivedi]

I feel sometimes like we're in a great awakening now- and it has a kind of vengeance to it.

[@highpath4776]

You can have great fun with the Methodists in England, which even split in some towns following different preachers. The main division though seemed to be "Methodists" and "Weslyan Methodists" , not all of which at local level would join when the higher leadership did, some Methodists would join the Congregationalist Groups or Reform Church as United Reformed Church. Nowdays for some practical purposes local methodist congregations may meet in Anglican buildings due to falling numbers and sharing overhead finances.

[@gideonb-boy3523]

Hi Matt, First of all my dad and I really enjoy watching your series on Christian Denominations. We are Dutch and part of the Catholic Apostolic Church which formed in 1832 by a group of 12 men (apostles) known in England as Urvinism. We were wondering whether you are gonna include this medium sized church (at its high it had a couple hundred thousand members) into on of your episodes and into the big chart. Once again we really love your videos, keep up the great informative and amusing work❤👍😁

[@bearwoody]

I enjoyed your riff on origin stories. I was raised, in the 1950s and 60s in a Jehovah's Witness household. I fully expect to see them listed as an offshoot from the Adventists. As far as an origin story goes, they fully believe that they can trace their theological lineage all the way back to Abel! Also, they stopped using the moniker John the Baptist quite a while back, because some people believe he was a Baptist and not a Jew. So they call him John the Baptizer in their literature. Fun facts about that group!!!

[@natenae8635]

Interesting, thanks for the facts 🙂

[@LeCharles07]

8:02 That chart is a nightmare to parse. You do so much better. ❤

[@katherinegilks3880]

Thanks for the extra information about the UCC logo! I’d never noticed that before.

[@PhattyBolger]

Laughed at the inclusion of the Shakers since there's only like 2 left in the whole world.

[@icejadechica]

Yeah, but there's a lot of chairs left.

[@TAdler-ex8px]

Even though I am a curious learner, watching your content and Josh’s content makes my brain feel very small. It also gives me a desire to meditate and pray on John 17:20-21. Blessings ❤

[@xeladas]

I can't remember, has he mention the Adamites in any of his earlier videos? They are certainly an interesting branch of this "family tree": first being recorded in 2nd, 3rd and 4th centuries, then appearing again a millennia later, they wished to return to Adam and Eve's "primeval innocence" and as such opposing things such as strict hierarchies, marriage, human laws and even clothing.

[@LazorLaRue]

excellent video, how everything split and merged over the years is pretty fascinating. I grew up independent baptist and was very familiar with that 'alternative origin' theory. Also with the stuff compating the US and England, lots of denominations like to claim Spurgeon as one of theirs

[@OffRampTourist]

I grew up Missionary Baptist but we often attended Southern Baptist as MB had few churches. Was taught we were and always had been the only true church. I am so excited about this series and this video. I've tried but couldn't figure out the real history of the organization I was immersed in for my first 15 years.

[@erikdumas9873]

Whoever poor George Whitefield picked to paint his portrait did him dirty... Or he just really was a doofy, cross-eyed guy in real life. Either way, that portrait had me cracking up when it came on screen.

[@jamesm4913]

So, I never common on KZbin because I’m a bit shy but I wanted to say thanks so much for all your hard work in creating this fantastic series on church denominational history. At 18:23 you made a statement that most Baptist churches were planted by “American missionaries”. You may want to have a look at Australian and New Zealand Baptist history. I believe that AUS and NZ Baptist denomination stems from the British Baptists rather than the Americans. This is due to the cultural and governing relationship with the British Empire during the Colonisation and Federation periods. Although I am not a church historian, I think it would be good to mention the important history of the Baptist churches of the AUS, NZ and others that are not part of the Americas and instead have strong ties to the UK as they tend to be separate from US Baptist, both theologically and culturally.

[@Saratogan]

As one who is called Plymouth Brethren, I find it interesting that you align us with a baptist origin. It is, as with many others, far more complicated. The actual original PB's were anglican. John Nelson Darby was an anglican cleric. The first gathering of those who would later be called the Plymouth Brethren was actually in Dublin Ireland. It was in the 1840s when things began to grow in England that they became known as the "brethren from Plymouth" because the largest congregation was, in fact, at Plymouth England at the time. The baptist side was an addition of the 1850s when baptist pastors like George Mueller denied clericalism and began fellowshipping with the brethren (note the lower case "b" in brethren, this is important). Those who began the fellowships eschewed clericalism and denominationalism taking the statement of Jesus very seriously: "One [Christ/Holy Spirit] is your Teacher, and you are all brethren." Hope that this helps with your studies. I am enjoying your charts.

[@UsefulCharts]

Why do you say that I aligned you with a Baptist origin? I have the Plymouth Brethren under the Second Great Awakening, which is distinct from the Baptists. I will discuss it more next time.

[@Saratogan]

@@UsefulCharts , I may have misunderstood. I thought that I saw us in the chart as a part of the baptist branch. Maybe I need to review. 🙂

[@crabring]

Yes!! A new update for this series!!

[@susiethomas6909]

Hi, Matt! I’m really enjoying this series. Could you please cover the Stone Campbell Movement churches (Church of Christ, Christian Churches, Disciples of Christ)? I’d like to know where they fit on the chart. Thank you! 🌸😊

[@cswrye]

Those churches are part of the Restorationist movement that came out of the Second Great Awakening, so I expect him to cover them in the next video.

[@susiethomas6909]

@@cswrye thank you so much!

[@EstherH85]

Woo! SO to the United Church of Canada!

[@stuartharper5646]

UsefulCharts, I have been loving this series. Thank you for creating it. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I also have been studying the history of my faith all of my life. If you are needing any resources or information I would be happy to help you by providing what I know and pointing you in the correct direction if you need more than I can provide. Thank you again.

[@pnkcnlng228]

I have a suggestion. Maybe it is too specific, but in northern Italy, near Milan, some churches follow a different liturgical style called "Ambrosian" and not the usual Roman rite. It was developed by Saint Ambrosius, bishop of Milan. There are no theological differences whatsoever, for example the town next to mine have a one church for roman rite and one for Ambrosian rite, and everything is peaceful. Ambrosian rite follows a different calendar for Carnival, and this creates some problems with vacations. For example my town is roman rite but I go to school to an Ambrosian rite city, so while all my friends are at home I go to school, and then when I am at home everyone goes school. Minor differences but I thought it was interesting to let you know. Hope you find this interesting! Love all of your work!

[@henricoz_9745]

Well if we were to include the rites too, we should also include Greek and Eastern rites, and some others too I think, in the context of the Catholic Church

[@jdotoz]

The Ambrosian Rite was, to my knowledge, never a sui iuris church distinct from the Latin Church like the eastern ones are, merely liturgically distinct from the other pre-tridentine western liturgies.

[@pnkcnlng228]

@@jdotoz It is what I wrote

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

@@jdotoz It's not however there is a Patriarch of Milan whose title is the same as those of the Eastern Patriarchs so one could argue that he should be the head of a church sui iuris if the East and West were governed the same.

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

You mean St Ambrose of Milan (in English). You write pretty well seeing how English is clearly not your first language though.

[@eliashornwall8546]

Special and relative Baptism Theory!

[@Sam-rf7cb]

Great video! I hate waiting a month to see the next episode

[@AndersHolmenScott]

For the Methodist tradition, where does the Church of the Nazarene fit?

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

There's another group which deserves to be included. Maybe he'll add it later.

[@cswrye]

I'm assuming he'll discuss Nazarenes when he gets to the holiness movement during the Third Great Awakening.

[@allanlank]

Love this series Matt. As a Canadian Convention Baptist, I was interested in watching this video. Excellent as usual.

[@MohammedR-fk2ju]

The map of Egypt is incomplete; the Halaib triangle is claimed and controlled by Egypt, so the map should reflect that

[@fundncrdude]

Hey Matt, I'm loving this!!! Can't wait for the final poster. I just binge-watched all the videos so, not sure which is which, but, I'm happy to see that you added the SSPX, and yes, they are a weird situation within Roman catholicism that has yet to be reformed. I'd also add the new personal ordinariates formed within the Roman church's structure, which are the result of decades of conversations between individual Anglican churches and bishoprics with Rome and has created a mechanism for churches in the Anglican communion to come into communion with Rome while maintaining their own parochial structures, their own rite(s), and their own theology, as long as it is not in direct contrast to fundamental beliefs of Roman catholicism.

[@brandonoreily3718]

Take this as you will but I love your videos because of how quick they put me to sleep, brilliant stuff

[@margot-td9nc]

Not sure if you've already covered this, but it might be helpful to discuss what makes something a denomination, versus, say, just a group or another religion entirely. Additionally, would the recent Christian charismatic movement be considered a denomination?

[@highpath4776]

It does seem that "Charismatic" churches as such seem to have faded , but I have been in Anglican (CofE) , Baptist and other church meetings at local churches and larger gatherings where aspects of "Charismatic" have been taken as an important sign of faith/belief. Personally for me Christianity is not a religion of great "highs" (and the often lows), but the practical sharing of faith in God and Charity (goodwill) to all of humanity - effectively the "gift" of love - since actually searching and finding the best in others (and ourselves) is not easy to achieve.

[@Dank-gb6jn]

This was an interesting video to watch! Generally speaking, in my area it seems that roughly 80% of churches are Baptist, and the rest are a myriad mix of Methodists, Lutherans, and Church of God...maybe a Nazarene or two in there as well. I learned much more about Baptists, and while I don’t exactly feel any more or less comfortable with a Baptist church; I feel more comfortable discussing or listening to a Baptist’s POV.

[@AutisticPreacher]

The Anabaptist argument from the Landmark Baptist are by far the best case for God's One True Church. It's why I converted to Anabaptist and left the Protestant church. God promised his church wouldn't be overcome and the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox clearly aren't that.

[@sherrijennings9309]

Hi Matt, thanks so much for this series! and I'm super excited that you included the Uniting Church of Australia. I feel like we often get forgotten, so great job 👏

[@Obironnkenobi]

19:22 That George Whitefield picture nearly killed me from laughing too hard.

[@martinrobinson9852]

Superb work!! Thankyou😊

[@Daniele-ez7eh]

Waldensians and methodists in Italy are a federate church with common doctrine

[@Michaelw777.52]

This is fantastic. Can't wait to see the finished chart. But at the rate you're going - it's going to take up an entire wall! Love it.

[@GODWORDSorg]

I'm wondering where the 2.6 million Nazarenes fit in. They were part of Methodism, but were also somewhat historically Pentecostal.

[@cswrye]

I suspect he'll mention Nazarenes when he gets to the holiness movement during the Third Great Awakening. By the way, although the Church of the Nazarene formed alongside Pentecostals, they theologically have much more in common with Methodists and are part of the World Methodist Council.

[@GODWORDSorg]

@@cswrye Thanks. I used to be a licensed minister in the CotN, and wondered exactly where they would end up on his chart. At the merger, they were - as I understand it - "The Pentecostal Church of the Nazarene." =)

[@cswrye]

@@GODWORDSorg That's correct. They dropped "Pentecostal" from the name in 1919 to distinguish themselves from the Pentecostal denominations. I wasn't sure whether Matt would cover Nazarenes with the Methodists or the Pentecostals, and it looks like he's doing the latter.

[@LoneWolf343]

Ooof, including the LDS is gonna create some controversy.

[@danwylie-sears1134]

I have nothing to add, but I'm posting a comment anyway, just to say that this is informative and worth having more people see.

[@anluisa9960]

Love this series! I'm concerned about the inclusion of the Westboro Baptist Church though. Does a single church with 70 people really deserve a spot on this overview? It seems out of place

[@UsefulCharts]

Imo, it deserves to be here because it's so well known.

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

@@UsefulCharts It may be well known at this time because it's in the media but if your chart is intended to be academic and historic then surely there are many more important groups which you have not included are there not? Including a tiny group which even many other Baptists prefer to disassociate with risks you being perceived as harbouring a prejudice against Baptists which you wish to project through this chart. Is that your intent?

[@cswrye]

I agree that it's odd to put one specific church on there alongside complete denominations. On the other hand, I imagine that a lot of people would be asking about him about it if he didn't.

[@UsefulCharts]

​​@@GgdivhjkjlIt's definitely not my intent to project anything negative about Baptists. I actually got Joshua's (from Ready to Harvest) opinion on this issue, since he himself is a Baptist. He thought it would be good to include them since they are notable (whether we like it or not). For the record, I'll be including some other extremist groups on other parts of the chart as well, such as the Branch Dravidians and the FLDS.

[@leullakew9579]

Yeah, basically every Christian denomination including the most conservative and fundamentalist Baptists have disavowed the Westbrough Baptist Church as heretics.

[@AndreSamosir]

As always, neat and knowledgeable presentation! Kudos.

[@johnd1915]

Woohooo. Anotha one!!!!

[@matthewgregg3979]

I've seen The Salvation Army in Canada, I thought they had something religious behind them but I had no idea. We call them The Sally Ann. I thought they mostly had to do with helping the homeless???....

[@cswrye]

The Salvation Army is a Christian denomination. They came out of the holiness movement in the Third Great Awakening. The holiness movement focused a lot on social justice and public good, which is why the Salvation Army continues to do a lot of work in that area. However, they are still a church before anything else.

[@nathanjohnwade2289]

In Australia they're called the Salvos. Yes, they're a church first, "good works" second.