Using SAILS as FLAPPING WINGS To Achieve BIRD-LIKE Flight! (Trailmakers HIGH SEAS Update DLC)

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Using SAILS as FLAPPING WINGS To Achieve BIRD-LIKE Flight! (Trailmakers HIGH SEAS Update DLC)
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Hey everyone! The Trailmakers gods have blessed us with a new UPDATE, EXPANSION, DLC, WHATEVER you want to call it...and it's amazing! In this awesome new update we get a large new map, four NEW unique islands, 100+ hidden treasures to collect, secret locations to uncover, stormy weather with PROPER physics, sails, new seat, and much MORE! In this episode I experiment with making flapping machines (starting with a simplified ornithopter) in order to see if we can actually fly like a bird in Trailmakers! The new sails offer a perfect opportunity for this kind of experiment so make sure to check out the video and let me know what you think of the build!
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[@bow-tiedengineer4453]

so, an actual bird tilts the wings so the leading edge is pointing up for the upstroke, and slightly down on the downstroke. Trailmakers seems to actually be simulating the sail shape, so the deformation of the sails is giving you a little bit of that effect, but it might help if you make the effect a little more extreme by actually tilting the whole wing like a simple ornithopter.

[@duck4184]

Cool

[@223justo]

Have you ever played this game? The physics rarely make any sense. One part can turn your cool creation into a bomb

[@coenvandebovenkamp5365]

Real birds retract their wings wit the up stroke, and with the down stroke they open it all. Might help you to gain more lift

[@beaclaster]

surely it will give less drag at the up stroke, but that would give you less forward lift

[@nikkiofthevalley]

@@beaclaster That's part of the point. If you have equal drag/lift on the up and down stroke, then (in theory) you would get a net 0 upwards force. In practice, you still get a very small amount of force upwards, but it's made much more efficient when you angle the wings to decrease drag on the upwards stroke, and thus increase net upwards force. You could also change the way the wing twists slightly to cause a component of the force to go forwards, but this causes you to have less upwards force. Trying to fly like a bird is one of the most painful and finicky things I've ever attempted. I've stared at videos of birds flying for many, many hours.

[@beaclaster]

@@nikkiofthevalley i have noticed that, another way to fly is like the fins in fish which prioritizes speed

[@nikkiofthevalley]

@@beaclaster I don't really know what you're talking about. What do you mean by 'like the fins in fish'?

[@beaclaster]

@@nikkiofthevalley like how a turtle swim, you angle your wing a bit, swing it, and get lift from it

[@anarchopupgirl]

You could definitely use the split sail tail to do both pitch and roll if you stack two hinges for each!

[@darealkosmo]

I'll give it a try!

[@LoPhatKao]

normal pitch controls on hinges, couple xor gates to control the hinges for roll

[@Snottyllama]

I've tried to make an ornithopter before and I found that using rotating servos are faster and give it more power so maybe if you used a combination of hinges and a pair of rotating servos it might work better. By the way I made that ornithopter a while ago before the high seas update so I don't know if they changed that.

[@SapioiT]

Since you're trying to make birds with sails, please do watch the video "Feather Flight - How do birds fly?" by "mekanizmalar", and consider making a bird which uses that kind of flight, to see if it works in trailmakers or not. Part of it working would be simply because the "open" position would have the sails at different angles perpendicular to the "down" position of the bird (which can differ from the actual down direction), which might push enough air for sustained flight, or at least slower or fancier gliding.

[@cephalopad]

Hey Kosmo, is there any chance we could get some more multiplayer Trailmakers in the future? If Scrapman and Kan aren't up for it, perhaps with ThatDomGuy?

[@beaclaster]

use free bearing at the front end of the front wing with limits on how much it can rotate, it would give better forward lift. or if you can't just power the bearing and rotate before the strike

[@the.other.ian.]

try changing the angle of attack of the wings on the upstroke vs the downstroke. Angling the wings so the forward part is higher than the rearward part might give both propulsion and make the up and down strokes asymmetric with regard to their upward and downward force

[@thejester8002]

Impressive Video Kosmo. By any chance have you watch Scrapman’s videos about using sails? There a bit strange to work with. Keep up the amazing work btw!

[@darealkosmo]

they certainly are!

[@thejester8002]

@@darealkosmo For some reason (and I’m no physics guy) when you make a box shape with them, you pretty much activate zero gravity.

[@wyrdean_9649]

@@thejester8002 Because the levels of drag the sails create is (almost) overpowering gravity

[@thejester8002]

@@wyrdean_9649 like I said, I’m no physics man

[@Foxdog199]

Kosmo try and add an articulation in the joints to make the sales go backwards a bit

[@rembryo]

Hi cosmo. To create a bird you will need a servo on the wing aiming it up and down. I have had succes even with takeoff from the ground using this method. Looks ugly but it works. All im saying is give it more time and servos and you will succeed. If i can get it to work proper i will post it w your name so you can take a look. Keep on building and have a good day! Greetings Kremmus.

[@RoxxBeatZ]

This! Also you could push the bird forwards with this method and gain a little bit of speed

[@thejester8002]

You could also strap 30 thrusters on to it aswell

[@RobloxYoutuber9273]

11:35 got me laughing he built an spider not actual bird my reaction was like oh he built an spider

[@slickrick8279]

I had a hard time not screaming at you ... my screen Im good in physics and done that in various games Also we have those hovering birds but here its predatorial birds over crop fields hunting rodents Edit also you know how a propellor blade is angled in sight to the direction of the rotation of the prop You need to angle the wings on the upwards motion and on the downwards motion like a prop would cut through air the birds wings do too

[@chrisgloria5087]

i think part of the issue that you were have was the same that you were having with the forte night glider as well you need to rotate the sails 180 degrees" so that the part of the sails that aren't connected are facing towards the back side of the creation, and you should try doing that for all your projects that use sail power!!

[@wheelmanv]

Would probably help to move your front and rear wings out of phase so the upward of one cancels the downward of the other. Would make it more stable overall and probably lose less to bobbing up and down. But then you'd be making a dragonfly more than a bird

[@zacrosamond3128]

Loved the intro man, you should keep it lol

[@WinternGhost]

I have this absolutely nasty habit of constantly watching videos of incredible youtubers. My doctor says it’s perfectly normal.

[@crazycarlscustoms2423]

Set the tail sails so the not only act as an elevator, but also so they act as ailerons. You can set it up to work with separate controls to give you better directional control.

[@crazycarlscustoms2423]

Maybe set them to a v shape, it will act as a rudder also

[@rambysophistry1220]

A flying machine that works like a bird flapping its wings is called an Ornithopter! ^_^

[@jacobgilbert5954]

I would use long triangular sails for the wings. The triangle shape allows the air to be propelled in the correct direction for thrust.

[@jacobgilbert5954]

And the hypotenuse of the triangle should be facing the direction that you want the thrust to go (backwards, which will push the vehicle forwards)

[@nonyabusinesss3025]

💡Yaw can be by turning head & body & feet can help. Spine should bend at least 2 or 3 times; @ neck, @ legs, & then @ feet. Wings should arc when raising, then, flat when power stroke. Wings also should angle up 20⁰-35⁰ during upstroke and vice versa during downstroke. Playing with those angles will get most speed. GOOD LUCK. 🧐💪🥇

[@isaacnoel4022]

Birds kinda use a figure 8 movement as they flap, not sure if birbs do the same thing or if it's even possible in game to do something like that, would be complicated I think but never know. Mix that with the comment talking about slightly up tilt on one flap and slight down tilt on the opposing stroke.

[@tropicalvikingcreations]

Nice vid Kosmo!

[@NuggieNabber]

Yay!! Another video!!! :D

[@goldjaws]

The motion of birds Wings make is more like a strange rowing Motion than a actual flapping Motion Also their wings bend slightly

[@len9505]

Try manual flapping. Make an eagle glider that flaps to go up but usually just glides in circles.

[@strucktwice6067]

Maybe you could add a little more sails to the rear wings and make it flap as well for more.. speed? Altitude? Idk lol

[@karagichikin545]

you should rotate the wings vertically when doing an upwards stroke

[@miletilblight2181]

What your trying to build here is called an ornithopter They only work on the small scale irl like at most the size of a large bird even then it's not cost effective

[@rysiii811]

90% of the video Im like "how do you dream of achieving more height while putting literally no work in potential energy of the monstrocity, because of bashing equal forces with slight delay", last 10% Im like "how does it actually work, clearly a big flaw in trailmakers physics"

[@himenaaa3565]

Kosmo you could use bigger wings with less time flapping, it becauss you flapping to ofthen where is your wings didnt have anytime to catch the wind, bird didnt always flapping so fast when the wind speed are huge, they become one with the wind, the rest are commented in here too

[@hero8248]

love the intro cuh

[@torpidGlory]

have the tail tilt opposite directions (one half goes up, one half goes down) to control roll rather than the servo

[@glowytheglowbug]

:rofl: LMAO THE FIRST VOICE XDD

[@gamewater]

Another cool. Video

[@darealkosmo]

Thanks! :)

[@gamewater]

@@darealkosmo your welcome

[@thundercrowz]

Kosmo vid idea try to make to Flying Dutchmen!

[@kibo9676]

Nice burb Kosmo .

[@Ivan.A.Churlyuski]

Should get the guys and do an evolution challenge. But give much more time for troubleshooting

[@jaunusender6166]

Kind of a similar thing but I've been trying to make a frog in the high seas expansion.

[@errorerror8700]

Birb! 🐥

[@giovonnielewis4329]

You should try to make a fly sailboat powered by the wind.

[@vathouisk]

I LIKES BIRBS!!

[@paulogrech5196]

Lol he made a stick bug 11:35

[@rohanyt7184]

I liked the part where you tust glide in the normel map. Birds dont flap there wings so long they also glide and flap again

[@oddcurtis3090]

See how well it works with the hover pad glitch

[@glowytheglowbug]

thanks for your discord server :)

[@Fantaman900]

And the seat goes up and down. Up and down. Up and down. Up and down. Up and you get the idea...

[@danthiel8623]

Interesting 🤔

[@st0rmstr1kez66]

Angle the wings when flap engage

[@isaacnoel4022]

What if you put the wings on some frame so they are farther out and are moving faster.

[@MrLarsgren]

think you need a little more weight in front like on rc planes.

[@errorerror8700]

Btw by adjusting the logic output you can control the hinge movement. Is that understandable?

[@gepard1983]

but be carefull, unfortunately its not linear i.e. a 0.5 output dosn't give half the angle but way less

[@the.other.ian.]

it's odd that the sails billow upward on the upstroke and downward on the downstroke

[@Mijo0x9]

hey kosmo i can help you a lot use or gates and change the out put % and use servos to ange the wings on the upstroke and use the sensors and lichts to know with way your angeled and stering hinges are a bit broken

[@Mijo0x9]

birb

[@Mijo0x9]

hey and if you want then let me join and make a v2 with your ideas ;)

[@justinpatterson5291]

Flappy kos

[@hello_there947]

a real bird has its tail feathers at a slight angle to achieve yaw stabilization and control.

[@Why_are_exploits_So_fun]

yeeessss birbs rule

[@Why_are_exploits_So_fun]

im subbing just because you said birb

[@risang3412]

Sup

[@Ya5hM]

Next time just let the cat do the intro

[@ashleewhitbrook8992]

would it be worth turning the sails around so the ridged side is at the front like a bird would have bones in the front of thier wings

[@ashleewhitbrook8992]

never mind i see you did that at 7.30

[@NotWallMartDaiki]

If i was a ytuber well I'mma say uwu in every intro

[@Infernal2409]

Actually the different direction hinges don't work, scrap man tried and failed

[@travisfry7333]

U need more speed on the flapping

[@glowytheglowbug]

i thought it was ornothopther style

[@obeymelissa584]

v-tail....acts as both vertical and horizontal stab'l

[@jaunusender6166]

I think your tail isn't articulated enough or maybe too small.

[@matgaard]

i followed the steps and it did not work

[@Rocketcraft7167]

Is anyone still here? Komso? Anyone?

[@fansikz7535]

Does anyone know if i need trailmakers and high seas to play high seas or can i just buy high seas wothout trailmakers?

[@kitenofs2259]

birb

[@the.other.ian.]

but everyone knows birds aren't real

[@MichalKolac]

Why do you used that helikopter engine why

[@naofuminorikiya2527]

Hi

[@michaliefry474]

burb lol :0 :]

[@TheRealGimynus1]

Turn off Steering help

[@blockybeanz9924]

Just saying you say bird with the d being more prominent

[@mekkaialexander7970]

hi

[@orbital-can]

Is me?

[@darealkosmo]

yis

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

make a VTOL that uses wind resistance to go backwards and take off and turn into a plane

[@JurrassicAss]

:D

[@imnoob8960]

Hi im cosmo i like 🐈 😻 🐈‍⬛ 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@duck4184]

3h but low coment and 1k views

[@daily_dose_of_cars]

Im gay

[@theidiots.dum0-0]

I support you

[@BizlaC]

Good for you...

[@Zeno.609]

Study about birds before attempting to make one

[@bruhboy6006]

Hi