Using SuperSource on the ATEM Mini Extreme // Show and Tell Ep.80

[@heretorecord]

Looking to try out the H2R SuperSource Layouts? Give it a go here... layouts.heretorecord.com/

[@MalyanDrum]

I just revisited your H2R layout builder & I just discovered you inclided the DJP code builder. You have just saved me so many hours of work as I'm always having to do them all by guesswork for new compositions for my streams! THANK YOU!!!!

[@heretorecord]

It sure does - Thanks to Doug for his help on that, and great that you can use it!

[@pianistpayne123]

Your videos on the ATEM Extreme are absolutely fantastic! Thank you!!

[@heretorecord]

Really happy to hear it!

[@anthonysanders296]

Thanks! This was very helpful and helped me decide on my Blackmagic purchase. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@timhughes4259]

Excellent as always John! Thanks!

[@spielundzeug]

Looking forward to the animation video! We’ll see if it arrives before my extreme does 😀

[@heretorecord]

No pressure :D

[@LedgerStatus]

These tutorials are so helpful, thank you. Have my extreme on the way 🙏

[@heretorecord]

Hope it comes soon!

[@dancoffeyuk]

This was really helpful thanks. Your layout creator is really impressive and amazing that it is free to use. I will buy the pack of layouts as soon as I'm at my desk! Thanks for all the tips, keep it up!

[@heretorecord]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tpcomcam]

Well explained - looking forward to the next. David

[@heretorecord]

Cheers!

[@TONYCOOLSFISHING4X4TOURING]

Thanks mate great lesson picked up my Extreme ISO yesterday looking forward to more lessons CHEERS.

[@heretorecord]

Great to hear!

[@BugBobsWildWorld]

Great job, John! Thank you so much

[@heretorecord]

My pleasure!

[@CreateConsumeRepeat]

Great video. The super source feature makes the extreme worth it in my book. Thankfully with a little ingenuity you can create a professional side by side with animated background on the OG ATEM. I even made a video about it.

[@heretorecord]

I did to :)

[@sezzivideo]

Another great video John

[@heretorecord]

Glad you enjoyed it - thanks!

[@FloRabinsky]

I love your Videos! Great Job! Thank you

[@arturbar3002]

Very good, and useful video. Thanks for your work! Appreciated!

[@heretorecord]

Glad it was helpful!

[@discoverchurch-Wadsworth]

Nailed it Great info as always

[@dputub]

Thanks for this. Very helpful.

[@heretorecord]

Glad it was helpful!

[@DivineLightProductions]

This is awesome! Thanks so much for sharing! :-) Followup question: let’s say you setup SSrc how you want it looking as well as add your logo. If you change what file(s) is in MP 1 or 2 while you’re already live with MP files displaying, will it delete/remove the media files that were displaying on screen? Do you see BMD in the future adding the feature of allowing video files (mov, mp4, etc) to be put in the media pool or maybe a motion picture version of the media pool? Hope that made sense! Thanks! - Jared

[@samsilverstein4950]

I purchased your pack and love it. I also love the "make your own" layout site. I would love it if you could add the ability to add a border on the site. That would be awesome! Any chance of adding that? In lew of that is there some standard line of code that you could provide that I could just add into the macro file?

[@heretorecord]

Keen to add it, but it is taking some work!

[@kox1984]

hellow HTR... big fan of your videos. I have a question. I am a bit confused of why the Extreme ISO doesnt record the Supersource? Im i doing it wrong or is it just not made for that? And if it isnt, do you have a video of which a smart way to get the same layouts as supersource, onto your ISO recording. Did that make sense? regards and big UP's from DK

[@NeenjaProdux]

So I actually have a question for you: why would I choose the atem mini over software based solution in your opinion? A couple of weeks ago I streamed a 5 cameras live concert (1h30m) to facebook, with digitally zoomed scenes for different looks, up to 3 cameras split screen, overlay graphics, pre recorded video ads, i even sharpened the image coming out of an older canon dslr and added some color correction to better match the other cameras... I used obs and a 2012 macmini i7 quad with 16GB of ram, 2 internal drives (256GB ssd + 1TB hdd). For the video inputs i used inexpensive hdmi to usb chinese cards (about 18$ each on amazon) and a usb3 hub for a couple of extra usbs. The mini was definitely too hot but didn’t flinch, I even recorded the streaming on the internal HDD. Now I replaced the thermal paste and added an external fan (ran a few tests and with this little mod i went from 104C to 70C with 98% constant cpu usage) I basically spent only 150$ ish... 100ish for the hdmi cards 30ish for the fan and 10ish for the thermal paste. It is definitely loud now with the fans on.. but other than noise... what’s the advantage of the atem mini? Why not buy an elgato streamdeck for example if i just wanna add physical buttons? There’s literally NOBODY talking about this on the internet... i can’t be the only one confused about this can i?

[@heretorecord]

This is a good question, and the reason it is not a discussion in any of my videos is that the two options "Hardware-based" vs "Software-based" is an extremely lengthy and detailed chat with a lot of variables. I use vMix all the time on desktops and laptops and am always happy with all of the options that I have which go far beyond the options of my ATEMs in many ways. What you have to keep in mind is that there are pros and cons in both areas and depending on your experience one option can be much easier than the other. Just to break it down a little into some pros and cons of each... Hardware based: Pro: The device has been custom built to achieve one task (or tasks) and is optimized to carry out those tasks. Con: Hardware limitations and costing means that devices cannot do everything you might want them to do. Software based: Pro: You can achieve a lot of interesting and dynamic productions all within a software switcher and scale it over time to suit your needs. Con: Your computer might decide to work on something in the background that you don't notice is impacting your production negatively. I have just started working on blog post about this as there is too much to discuss in this one comment :D

[@NeenjaProdux]

@@heretorecord can I have a link to these blog posts please? :))

[@MrMercho4416]

Thanks ! Excellent Video.

[@heretorecord]

Glad it helped!

[@LukeJohnEmmett]

Great video! Is there a way to cross fade between two different super source layouts? For example I have one layout which has an overlay as a DSK with camera 1 in the background. I’ve then got the same layout but switch to camera 2. Is there a way to fade rather than cut between them. Or bring them into preview first and then programme the auto to transition them into programme? I haven’t found a way to successfully do this yet :(

[@finabianco1706]

Is it possible to save our preset to find them sooner? Do you know how to do it? thanks a lot

[@andyk2456]

I do far more complex video compositions, on the fly, with Wirecast and NDI sources. On the fly adjustment of drop shadows, text, graphics, cropping and proc amp controls for every separate element of the video composition. As a former Fox News TD, I find Wirecast a much more controllable, elegant option to hardware switchers. I am a Mac guy, but I am sure the same may be said for VMix. What I wish Blackmagic would produce is an affordable, multiple NDI conversion box (say 8 SDI/HDMI inputs to 8 NDI or NDIHX feeds).

[@heretorecord]

Yes, vMix has all of those features too. And a BMD NDI box would be highly unlikely. Best to stick with Wirecast for now.

[@uwemuller4078]

great video. thank you!!! got the H2R package. How about some frames (png, or editable as psd-files) to the layouts?

[@heretorecord]

I'm considering it, and hoping to add that to the app too! Thanks for getting it!

[@galaga00]

Let's say I had PowerPoint input on the mixer running from a computer into the mixer. Could I have say Camera 1 layered on top of that video from the computer? I also see people laying video on top of graphics but never video on top of video. Thanks :)

[@stewartspotlight1]

If you have 3 individuals on Zoom - how do you place them in the boxes?

[@ThePastorB]

how did you keep your upstream key applied in your supersource?

[@kevinrouch5984]

Great video, John! Thank you. How are you bringing guests into SuperSource?

[@heretorecord]

Good question! For this video my "guests" are coming in via my laptop and my PCs external display. In general I would likely use Zoom or vMix call though in both cases I would only get a clean of up to two guests at a time in the Mini.

[@kevinrouch5984]

@@heretorecord Thanks, John. Would love to see a video on this to understand best practices and the limitation on clean feeds.

[@heretorecord]

Good thinking!

[@patamuslo69]

Hi John! as i can see in your still (mountain still, with snow at night), maybe you use Apple KEYNOTE... i have one problem that can find solution... I made some graphics to use as stiils in the AMEI media pool, exported with NO FILL background (transparent) and set the atem for premultiplied... The exported graphics looks good on the file, but when superimposed on the Atem, looks awful Aliased on the borders, what can i try to do? THANKS!!

[@heretorecord]

Email me about that with examples/screenshots and we can chat about it john(at) heretorecord.com

[@Moderan17038]

je veux faire la diffusion d'un match avec ce melangeur mais je ne sais pas comment mettre les belles actions en ralentir au cours du direct. aidez moi s'il vous plait

[@kevinjungpark]

Is supersource available on all ATEM Mini Extreme models? Or only the ISO?

[@heretorecord]

Yes it’s available on both Extreme models. I have the non-ISO in all my videos

[@chrishartzell8593]

informative

[@krishnansrinivasan830]

Awesome & Thanks :)

[@heretorecord]

Thanks!

[@dntaspro]

@Here to Record i have a specific question about the mini Extreme, can you use luma on SuperSource if you have green screen on one source or on multiple sources????? Same luma on all sources or mediaplayer is my ideal.

[@heretorecord]

Not 100% sure what you want to achieve with that! Send more details here: heretorecord.com/about/

[@ViktorGamov]

Hi John, Do you use any special color profiles for atem HDMI when capturing computer screen. When I do this colors on atem look too punchy/contrasty. Any recommendations?

[@heretorecord]

Funny enough I just click around until I find one I like. I have yet to find the one I like most but I agree it’s not great by default.

[@MattFromRI]

Hi John, maybe I missed it, but is it possible to have multiple super sources created and ready to use? I am looking to use this device as a video game tournament recorder where 4 consoles each have their own camera recording the players. So I would like 4 setups, each console input with the corresponding camera. essentially 4 inputs each with their own PIP. Hope that makes sense. Thanks!

[@heretorecord]

Yes Matt - this is possible, however you will want to have these set up as macros, then trigger each macro depending on what layout you want at the time.

[@MattFromRI]

@@heretorecord awesome! Thank you!

[@ArjanvanderMeij]

Hi John, thanks for the great videos! We (at our school) have recently purchased a Atem mini Extreme and we were just trying to get the Streamdeck with companion running to put in our Macros but it doesn't want to connect. Did you already try this? Or doe we have to wait for a Companion update? Thanks!

[@heretorecord]

As far as I am aware, the macros should work just fine with the current version of Companion. Perhaps choose "auto-detect" and be sure to triple check the IP address.

[@ArjanvanderMeij]

@@heretorecord Thanks! Will try that.

[@michaelkeenan2658]

If you have say camera one with green screen (chroma) and it has a mp1 image as the background can you bring it into supersource with this key ? If so please let me know how to do this

[@ammar_baghdad]

thanks

[@DougPipersr]

Your videos are so helpful! Thank you for making them. Is it possible to run super source with a chroma image in one camera? I'm using an ATEM Mini Extreme and I use a green screen behind the main speaker's camera. I'd like to show the main speaker, green-screened background (not actually green, but chroma out with a nice background) with super source. Is that possible? You seem to be showing a green-screened background in your demo here, but I didn't know if that was done in the ATEM or in Premiere.

[@heretorecord]

I don't believe it will quite work like that, though there must be a workaround of some sort!

[@DougPipersr]

@@heretorecord Anything you can suggest would be appreciated!

[@MA16v3]

Out of curiousity, does the supersource tie up the upstream keyers while in use, or can you also throw your four upstream keyers on top of it?

[@heretorecord]

It does not tie them up so you can still use them!

[@SuperCleary]

Looking to use this sort of setup to bring a remote guest into my live stream. I think super source will make the magic happen.

[@heretorecord]

For sure!

[@drumspearl12]

is that possible to use ISO for webcam? Like 8 webcam input?

[@heretorecord]

You will only get the Program output of the switcher over the USB connection.

[@tobiaslofi]

Great! Do you know if the ATEM rememberers my custom super source layouts even when powered off? We want to use this without a laptop with the ATEM software. Just have a default custom super source layout saved in the ATEM, plug everything in when on location, and we expect it to work instantly. Is that so? Thanks

[@heretorecord]

It is possibly so long as you set everything up the way you like it and then use the Save Startup State in the ATEM Software Control.

[@tobiaslofi]

@@heretorecord Perfect!!!!!! Thanks, we ordered an ATEM Mini Extreme now

[@filmops1215]

Hey John, great content as always! How do you bring in an interview to each of those sources? If zoom or Skype we would need 4 computers? is there a better way? Cheers.

[@heretorecord]

I’m certainly exploring that but it would seem that separate computers is the best method for now.

[@dawgscentral]

@@heretorecord What I do is a second computer as source 1 and make 3 of the boxes as that source and crop so that it looks like three sauces.

[@dawgscentral]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2nYY3mZabGjaNU Scrub through to where it actually worked. LOL - used a macro that somehow wiped out my ss settings so when I went live - it defaulted the SS

[@goldyarora914]

This is awesome, thank you so much, so I looked at your other video where you helped achieved side by side layout with 2 atem minis, but it seems with extreme now it is possible within one device? Did I get it right? I would replace my mini pro to extreme if that's the case as I just bought it.

[@heretorecord]

Yes you are correct!

[@goldyarora914]

@@heretorecord In your macros pack, is this layout included? Thank you

[@heretorecord]

It’s actually not currently in the macro pack, but building it on H2R SuperSource Layouts would be a quick job :)

[@beatprocess]

they couldnt do supersource on mini pro? what the hardware cant do it?

[@heretorecord]

Hard to say for sure - they may not have the power in that device for SuperSource OR they would rather you buy the bigger switcher.

[@canukpiper]

Hi I love your tips and tricks Im really stuck I have been asked to livestream a dungeons and dragons event I have an atem mini extreme pro iso 3 blackmagic 4k pocket cinema cameras. Access to 3 macs And running ecamm live hoping to Stream 3 cameras on one screen Im lost as how to do this Can you help ?

[@heretorecord]

In this case you can connect all the cameras up to the ATEM, and stream directly from the ATEM or use the USB connection into Ecamm and stream that way. Sounds like you have all the pieces!

[@BodybreakHal-Jo]

Can I plug the Atem mini extreme into a hub and use companion will my stream deck work?

[@heretorecord]

For companion you will need to connect the ATEM to a local network and run companion on a computer on that same network.

[@dawgscentral]

is there a way to see the xml files so that I can save my ss settings?

[@heretorecord]

Yes, Go to File>Save As and open the file that is saved!

[@hat101080]

With SuperSource on the ATEM Mini Extreme, is it possible to display more than 4 BOXs at the same time? for example 5, 6, 8 boxes at the same time. Thanks

[@heretorecord]

You can add a 5th or 6th box by using the DVE functions of the Upstream Keyer. 6 is the maximum though.

[@hat101080]

​@@heretorecord it's done, thank you

[@MattFreestonePictures]

Thanks for your fantastic tutorials - I've just got the ATEM Mini Extreme and enjoying is enormously. Can you help with something I'm struggling with please? I'm looking to wipe or DVE transition linear downstream keyed lower thirds. It seems as though the only options with the extreme are to cut or mix on (via Software Control or a macro). Is there a solution I'm missing? I'm assuming it might be because there isn't a dedicated M/E bank. Thanks in advance.

[@heretorecord]

Interesting, if I understand correctly then this will not be easy to do with the built in transitions. You could use an app like mine (H2R Graphics) and let that wipe your lower third on air instead though: h2r.li/graphics

[@MattFreestonePictures]

@@heretorecord Thank you somuch - really appreciate that. Seems odd (and an easy firmware fix) to not allow the transitions flexibility when using the DSK. I could create video files for animating straps (and have), but much easier to create .png files, use the in the media pool and wipe or DVE them on...

[@MattFreestonePictures]

@@heretorecord Can I use your app to wipe on pre-made .png lower thirds?

[@heretorecord]

Kind of. But only with custom css, so perhaps it’s not the best fix in your case

[@MattFreestonePictures]

@@heretorecord Many thanks.

[@VHIOfficial1974]

Hi Can we have only 4 boxes in Super Source

[@heretorecord]

Yes. Only 4. On the extreme though you can add the Upstream Keyers over top of SuperSource for a 6-box layout

[@pierrejeanjean9355]

Nice job! Tx

[@heretorecord]

Thanks for watching!

[@BigDreamerzStudio]

Genius

[@hatlif]

hi,did Atem 1M/E support SuperSource?

[@heretorecord]

It does not

[@mrfahrenheit3607]

So no borders Yet?

[@ammar_baghdad]

Hi. I have a question please regarding my Canon 70D. It only has the capacity to complete a 30 min stream in one go during my live stream and after that, it turns off. I do not want to record but I want it to continue streaming during my live stream for more than 30 min and not to shut down. How can I do that? Please note I use ATEM to stream my live videos so I don't need it to record. If I can't do it with a Canon 70D, is there another item that I need to complete this? Many thanks in advance.

[@heretorecord]

It's possible that MagicLatern might help (at least that used to be the fix for this sort of thing) - not sure if it is still working though!

[@timhughes4259]

Check you're using video mode not photo? The 70D has a 30 minute limit for live view photo shooting, but in video mode I didn't think there was a limit, only if you are recording in the camera. Other canon dslr's don't have such a limit, I'm not sure about the 70D as I no longer have that one.

[@ammar_baghdad]

@@timhughes4259 thanks I checked that but still the same bloblem

[@robbieramosok]

can you do the same with atem mini pro?

[@heretorecord]

Not without daisy-chaining devices together.

[@robbieramosok]

@@heretorecord thanks!

[@Reivax1512]

Only atem extreme?

[@heretorecord]

Correct. Only on ATEMs with SuperSource which is the extreme and a few very expensive ATEMs too

[@AaronJCourtney]

At least someone has one 🤷

[@heretorecord]

Hope you don’t have to wait much longer!