Using Transit Hierarchy to Plan New Transit Routes - Nicolet Bay (Cities Skylines, Ep 11)

[@jemleye]

Absolute yes to trams! Either around the ring road or through the downtown!

[@scuffguardian]

was thinking actually to place the tram route on the lakefront street into downtown and connect it with the ferry terminal. very toronto

[@foamyesque]

If it's an articulated bus, it should be a tram. With the new vehicles you can get the same capacity as an articulated bus, but in the space of a standard bus. It's really efficient. Or you can go super high capacity with the big trams, though they can look kind of silly.

[@nicolasblume1046]

@@foamyesque you mean only in the game? If there's a bus route with articulated buses and a 10 minute headway in real life that is not overcrowded, then it's probably fine to keep it as a bus route.

[@foamyesque]

@@nicolasblume1046 I mean in the game. RL's a lot more complicated.

[@commissarkordoshky219]

Seconded!

[@jackhemsworth1]

Not sure if I missed it in a past episode but I would think a growing community of this size would have some sort of postal service. Even though postal services in City Skylines don't offer much besides increasing mood, I believe some sort of postal service would be greatly appreciated in Nicolet Bay!

[@CityPlannerPlays]

I keep forgetting to add this. Thanks for the reminder!!

[@jackhemsworth1]

@@CityPlannerPlays Love the videos, keep it up!

[@beccaprunty3971]

"this is not a fancy facility, and it shouldn't be..."*proceeds to build the most decoratively landscaped bus turn-a-round point of all time 😂 love the videos, this build is coming along beautifully

[@Arjay404]

16:55 You should also make a path connection that goes directly to the corner between the park and the intersection. It would be a bit annoying for pedestrians coming from the right to have to walk to midblock just to get on the path to get to the transfer facility. People would undoubtedly create a desire path that would be a more straight path to the transfer facility.

[@ianknight5120]

For the buses not using the right hand lane, you can always use TPME to set the lane arrows

[@adampatterson2195]

This makes me wish I lived in a city and a country that had good public transit.

[@jvhunx]

me too

[@kiddo8597]

yeah

[@janv777]

Well, a very American issue 😉

[@chilldown]

facts

[@utterderc]

it makes me realize just how much of a privilege it is to live near busy transit corridors

[@rmlombard1217]

Just here to let you know, the Jacaranda is not a tropical tree. Although it's not native, but it the signature tree of Pretoria in South Africa (where I'm from). They are absolutely beautiful, but they drop the jacaranda flowers like crazy. That can sometimes make the roads a bit slippery. The Jacarandas are very prominent around the University of Pretoria, and there is a saying that if a jacaranda flower falls on a student's head, they will pass the exams (they bloom in die spring, usually around the same time as many exams)

[@jb3844]

I was reading this in a parking lot off of Jacaranda BLVD in Venice Florida. Spooky 👻

[@Sha3Doo]

Jacaranda is actually an invasive species in PTA ;)

[@notead]

The tree is found in most climates today, but it is native to the neotropics, the tropical and subtropical areas of South and Central America.

[@kobus_n]

I actually wanted to post similar. I think Phil would love Pretoria in the spring... Especially the University.

[@parentpj]

Johannesburg has it’s fair share of Jacarandas too, drive on the M1 and look towards Sandton 😉

[@doug4431]

These videos really brighten up my day. As an American, the lack of public transit options really saddens me. I don’t like driving, but I also like being able to go places. This video was probably my favorite of the series so far - mainly because public transit (and free public transit at that) is a dream I probably won’t get to experience without going to another country.

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Thank you! There are some American cities with pretty decent transit and others that aren't known for good transit, but do have decent transit in some areas. Decent transit is probably closer than you think! But yes - our investment pale in comparison to what you'd see in some European and Asian countries.

[@davidcorreia3901]

The crosswalks at the bus stops definitely helped move people around... It was a brilliant idea.

You definitely need high capacity transit in the city.

[@LazySmartCooking]

Hey Phil! What a great job with the bus routes. I was really looking forward to see what you did to improve them. I did notice that at the 44:14 mark, you can see one of those lovely rainbow buildings in Evergreen leveling up to something taller and less pretty. This is the same building that burned down, so it is likely that your "reset" of it with Move It undid the historical designation. That would also mean the small townhome that burned down is likely also no longer historical. You'll want to fix that if you want to keep the character of that street.

[@marcusvieira96]

it's actually 46:14

[@filipecaramelo5443]

I vote yes for Trams. Something that I could see is having some rural Tram lines connecting the towns, here in Portugal, specially in Porto we use trams as "metros" cuz they traverse through city and rural areas :) maybe it would be a good idea here as well

[@vespum2855]

Second this - I grew up just across the river from Manhattan and there's a lightrail service there which fills both inter- and intra- city service. Maybe something running along the waterfront between Couillard shores and downtown Evergreen, with closer stop spacing in Evergreen and further as it works down the coast?

[@filipecaramelo5443]

@@vespum2855 Yeah we have some rural stops which are sparse and as we get closer to the busy areas the stops become more and more frequent :) If Phil ever reads this, there is a reversible tram assett on the workshop that allow for Trams to work such as metros do without the need to add a roundabout at the end of the line

[@Vincent_A]

Also there are is a nice old school tram with new update

[@srujan.99]

The Couillard Shores - Intercity bus route right now is stopping at far end of the town from the intercity bus stop. This sends the people to the far side of Couillard Shores and then they have to take another bus back into the town. A stop at the near end (maybe, somewhere past the high school) can help. Also, NB is slowly becoming my favorite series beating VB!

[@jthwang]

33:58 That's actually very realistic in my view. Trucks and buses have to make right turns on the lanes that are not the rightmost because they usually don't have enough clearance to do so.

[@mkusanagi]

I drove a minibus in Hong Kong a few years back and they are a very good option even in a crowded city, we had no specified routes and would switch routes almost every day, thanks for the video, miss my old Toyota Hiace

[@capedkat]

Sounds like a lot more fun for the drivers too.

[@weareradia]

I live in a rural community and we have a 'transit' service. We have 4 minibuses that serve around 12 communities in an area the size of delaware. Seeing you make very functional rural transit makes me hopeful that transit could be inplimented in my community. You videos are always a treat! Keep it up!

[@dennisgiles1891]

I was sitting here thinking "we'd better have a bus tour at the end of this episode" and you didn't fail me.

[@markgillan3845]

Trams, baby, trams! I think they’ll look cool and function well.

[@igni5s]

I feel like you should add some more benches in the bus loop you've built, given how much usage it gets

[@cochemoche]

Perhaps also a mini mart convenience store

[@perfectdisabledparent6949]

Phil, a couple of things: 1.The transfer route between Coulliard Shores and Nicolet Bay needs a stop at the high school. 2.CS bus facilities are so unrealistic it IS funny. Right now the bus garages have no yards to fuel(diesel/CNG/LP)/charge(when they become electric) and park buses overnight in, parts storage, or maintenance bays sized for the vehicle type. 3.CS does not price the buses. For example in the world I work in, for the big 4 RTAs, a pre-pandemic 100 bus order of 40' buses was about $700k each whereas a 60' articulated was about $980k. Going electric easily adds $100-150k per vehicle on top of needing to buy the charging stations, bring in 10+-KV power and possibly adding new power substations. Buses are not cheap own/operate especially with free or $1-2.50 fares. NB Transit would by virtue of its small size likely be utilizing the state bid list that buys vehicles in quantity or NBT would take order options not exercised by large RTAs. In either scenario the choice of vehicle type and interior layout would be dictated to NBT. For NB Transit they are now in a fleet manager's nightmare because they have at least 4 different vehicle types to maintain and in small quantities too, thus driving up costs per vehicle purchase costs and VMT operating costs. Think of it this way: vehicle hoists are sized to the vehicle as a 25' minibus does not fit a lift for a 40' Gillig or New Flyer bus. Similarly a 50pax articulated and a 80pax articulate bus would require different lift/hoist. While the 40, 50, & 80 likely share transmission and powertrain parts, the suspensions may vary because of varying axle loads apart from the common front ends. The good news is apart from the damn minibuses, the different buses would share seat/stanchion, dashboard, brake, wheel, and tire assemblies as well as exhaust systems. Long story short in a RTA for 15k residents and fixed driver salaries, the fleet would be standardized to 1-2 types and the number of drivers required likely reduced to address costs and ultimately subsidy per rider. Similarly if the RTA contracted service to an entity such as MV Transit or First Student Transit, service would be a single vehicle type unless the RTA/County paid a big premium. In short order the CFO and Comptroller would end the minibus venture, standardize the fleet to a single model and tell the trolley/tram fans to come back when there is real density.

[@yourlocalbrit6915]

NBT Meaning (My opinion): Nicolet Bay Transit (NBT) is a Transit Company by Carl Jackson in Lake Superior which at the moment, contains Bus and Tram networks throughout the County. This Transit Company is planned by Phil, a planner who made history throughout Lake Superior and other parts of USA. It is supported by the Johnson Family as well. I love your videos! Keep up the good work Phil and hope you get more views and subscribes on your channel!

[@chloefranzyneoquendo8234]

I recommend having a subway service if the county expands. From the town of Couillard to a new city!

[@zokker92]

First of all: Loved this episode! For the bus lines/lanes, especially at Fir Str.: I think if a bus does not have a stop at a road with bus lanes, they will not use them. To utilize them fully, make sure every line has atleast one stop at Fir Str and they will stay on the bus lanes until they have to make a left turn. Otherwise they will just constantly dirve on the normal lane. The bus tour at the end of your lovely video actually shows pretty good what I mean. And the yellow line has a unnecessary turn to the Evergreen bus depot.

[@blujitsu2180]

This is purely an aesthetic choice in-game, but I think it’s worth considering using low-floor versus high-floor buses, because that’s the difference between accessible and not. The vanilla coach bus does 30, but if I’m not mistaken, there’s a low-floor alternative that also carries 30. I think there would be a lot of pressure on NBT to ensure its services were accessible to some extent.

[@littleyellow1361]

I really like this content. It gives me some ideas on how to plan my public transit. Good work as always. Keep it up.

[@apexapey]

You really have become the Bob Ross of City Builders in my book. All those phrases, like "Dont let perfect be the enemy of good", or "Live with a bit of imperfection", are reminding me of Bob Rosses Happy Clouds and Big ol Trees. I´d be the first one to buy a Shirt or Hoodie with that Slogan, they really are overall good guidelines for life in general. Thanks for all the work and passion you put into this!

[@apexapey]

Also, have you ever looked at the transportation network in and around the City of Hanover, Germany? It is in many ways kind of unique, especially for a city with not that many residents and the capacity and range of the network throughout the region.

[@artistfkaW]

The issue this episode highlights is one of the problems with the base game. It pushes players to build big cities (as name implies) and fairly quickly install higher capacity transit off of roads (ie metro). I’ve also done a county build and I’ve had this issue before of having way too much bus demand for how tiny each town is.

[@spacistgames6509]

A tram service in evergreen would be awesome! It would give the downtown even more character than it had before!

[@MattJamesK]

You know I'm all about those trams! Would love to see how you approach tram-based loop stations as well as traffic management with all the new road options (including pedestrian areas!). That bunching at the intercity bus terminal feels like a logical location to help transfer to a faster (and more dedicated) transit option for Evergreen.

[@xanderbrooks1691]

Honestly the little things about this video make me keep coming back. Like thinking about the bus lights shining into the houses. Honestly that’s so small but amazing.

[@Stamnomite]

This was my favorite one yet! loved the bus tour :)

[@demon3476]

As a new City Skylines player, I absolutely love watching you craft these amazing cities. I'd rather learn the basics of the game myself, so seeing what a city can turn into with all the skills of playing this game and also real city planner building, it is really satisfying. Thank you for the videos!

[@RyanAnthony92]

Seeing a new Nicolet Bay episode was out made my morning!

[@noble610]

If I had a nickel for every time Phil called Evergreen a town by accident this episode , I would have ... idk , a lot of nickels lol 😆

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Hahaha! I promise I'll get it right... one of these days!

[@kobus_n]

@ Phil, when you are doing your bus calculations, you need to take the people currently in the buses into account as well. So either you are calculating how many buses you should increase by if you don't take into account those in the buses, or you calculate the total required by taking all into account. Seems you are underestimating the required buses due to that. And of course, thanks for the video, always great to watch. :)

[@MatanArie]

07:17 The Harbour Collector does some really wild turns near the bus depot. Anyone with even slight motion sickness would avoid this route like the plague. Plus, driving though the parking lot would cause delays. 18:27 The first stop at the fish market is a bit superfluous. The transfer station is right behind the market and already has a direct path to the fish market. 18:46 There is very little access to the neighborhood by the fish market. Adding a station on the enter block (instead of the fish market would likely be more useful. 20:36 I don't think articulate buses are often used on intercity shuttles. They're usually set have metro-style bus: low backed seats on a pavement level floor for easy boarding and disembarkation. A bus with such a long travel time between stops would likely be more of a coach-style bus: high backed seat, all facing forward on a higher level floor, requiring more boarding and disembarkation time, but better suited to high speed travel and the associated dangers. 26:12 That throng of pedestrians rounding the corner of the turn-around would probably like to have a path right through the fence to the sidewalk beyond. 27:57 The crowding at his station is the result of pedestrians waiting for a bus to take them one stop to the transfer station, where many of them would switch lines. Remove the station (in favour of one deeper in the neighbourhood). 48:01 I know the game doesn't rally make use of them, but a few benches in the transit station would probably make it more comfortable. Even a food truck or ticket booth would be nice. Lastly, as the transit station sits in a low point in the topography, and there's the smell wafting from the fish market, perhaps the residents could nickname the transit station "The Fish Bowl". Thanks for an interesting, thoughtful and creative episode.

[@stevendurick9441]

Building transit networks is one of my favourite things in Cities Skylines and I absolutely love this type of content

[@dxnxz53]

In turkey they also have minibuses. they have fixed routes and you can hop on and off anywhere on the route :D they are called "Dolmuş", which literally means "filled" od "full" :D

[@vjara94]

The new name for the park is great and I would like to see more amenities added to it

[@davidcorreia3901]

Yes. Some lighting on the path and the fishing docks would be nice. It would be beneficial to people who fish at night.

[@isawrooka4]

I feel like these local bus routes being circulators is very tenuous. Always run the risk of making a service that is only useful in one direction for many people and therefore not worth using. They’re sims so they don’t care but I think there’s a good reason you don’t see many circulator routes IRL in place where transit is actually used Edit: oop, I see for evergreen you add a companion route. Still for couliiard you should consider making sure that service is going in both directions

[@nagynorbert26]

The harbour shuttle will be empty sometimes because it depends on the ships, so you think 2 is enough but if a ship comes with a lot of people it will overload the busses.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

Logically the system would run just one most of the time and then scale up when a ship is scheduled to dock, because you need to carry the capacity of people wanting to get on and everyone getting off the ship too. But the game won't let that happen.

[@jo-anneharris4033]

I love November in Sydney Australia. The jacarandas are in full bloom. When they drop their petals, there is a beautiful carpet of purple around the tree. In my area the jacarandas are everywhere. It always fills me with joy to see them.

[@JaredSvB]

In Hong Kong you'll also find mini buses very commonly, and are a core part of the transportation system here. They serve somewhat as a 'feeder' for the bigger services, and certainly do act like a 'shared-taxi' (they also tend to stop in the middle of the road to drop people off, so par for the course!). Funnily enough, however, the mini-buses here in HK also run equally long routes to that of other franchise bus services, so they play a dual role in some sense. The minibuses here were (and mostly still are) Toyota Coaster buses, so not quite vans, but not quite the double-deckers either. Might be worth looking into for inspiration perhaps~

[@adamziss6816]

The problem with double decker buses is that they are really un-efficient on routes with frequent stops, or in this case two stops that are really close. Since there are double the riders as on a normal bus, but still the same amount of doors, the boarding and deboarding take twice the time, it does make sense on long routes with only a few stops, but not on a really short trip like the harbor shuttle. Anyways, thats my opinion, great episode!

[@thedoctor4637]

Using TMPE, you could ban buses from the none bus lanes (except when they need to turn maybe) on bus roads to keep them out of traffic. Also, if you have a mixed capacity bus fleet maybe the lower capacity buses are older and from previous orders and have yet to be retired.

[@tristanjohnson7450]

"just a few rocks" then proceeds to layer it in lol. Loving the playlist.

[@capedkat]

12:32 Someone across the street from the bus turnabout got a bit too upset over it 😂 Poor guy, if only he knew he would have gotten a much nicer green row of pine trees! It's very Christmassy and I love it! It was a very bare piece of land anyway. Now it looks like a cozy street to live.

[@jacksonfox2434]

Just had a brutal Econ exam. Thank you for posting this to uplift me

[@JReaLBiz86]

First off, I'm not sure if you still check the comments of your older videos, but I do love your work in this game, and that's why I keep commenting. In fact, you're the reason I dusted off C:S and started playing it. I'm going through this playlist so I can get to your other cities! That said, I think your calculation of buses necessary for your routes is a little off. You're adding up all the people queueing to board the bus, but not those already in transit. This means that there will always be people waiting at stops, and having to wait (and hope) for the next bus, because you haven't accounted for those already filling seats on your buses. Even if they're getting off, those seats are gonna be filled again immediately. So to get a workable number of units running your routes, I would: - Calculate approx. how many people are waiting to board (round down to the nearest 10). - Calculate approx. how many people are already riding (again round down to the nearest 10). - Add these numbers together, then divide by the maximum capacity of the buses you want to use. - Round your answer down to the nearest whole number, so the maximum number of people waiting at stops never exceeds the maximum capacity of any 1 bus. So for instance, at 26:23, the total number of bus riders is about 450. Divide that by 80 (the maximum capacity of your buses) and you end up with approx. 5.6. It would take 5 buses on that route to fill your need without people waiting for a second bus to come by. I think this is the best way to comfortably run a bus route that never has more people waiting at a stop than can be carried by the next bus. I haven't had a chance to try this method out myself, and it will take time to see just how many people end up queueing at your stops before you can do the math, but in theory it should work! You probably have this issue sorted already (I'm not even done the video), but I hope this method helps someone who may just be reading through the comments and thinking about how to solve this problem!

[@biznichin13]

I just wanted to say thank you for introducing me to AGST, Ultimatum is a banger, and so is that whole Timmy EP

[@byronellis7144]

Great to be here

[@DarkVadekGaming]

I must say that I truly like the fact that you decided to stick with minibuses, true to your desires Edit: also, +1 for adding trams

[@thebearded_guardian3671]

I used to have family in Vancouver, Wa. In the area of Vancouver, surrounding towns into Portland, OR was a monorail system. I remember that the monorail component that circulated around Vancouver was an open monorail car that had a tour guide on it. It served as a tourism thing as well as transit. Maybe something similar in Evergreen would be pretty cool?

[@AkLars90]

Yes to trams! They are so cool and would help take some pressure off the buses and would look so cool going through the downtown. Also, I’ve been mulling on this since the episode you built the original little park in Evergreen. I think that the roads going around the park should be a one way couplet that ties into a four lane road since it’s super busy and a major point of congestion at that intersection. It reminds me of a couple roads in the largest city near me, Anchorage, AK. When you head into Anchorage from the East you take the Glenn Hwy which turns into 5th ave as a four lane road with a median; but, at the intersection with Wilbur St it turns into a one way couplet 5th ave inbound and 6th ave outbound. And one block over 3rd ave does something similar at the intersection with Post road. Just something that I’ve been thinking about since I saw how much traffic was going through that intersection and it could almost flow freely if it was a couplet.

[@froatbyte6989]

I think that Mr. Jackson should agree to add a tram line into Evergreen on the condition that line should be named after the mayor that was crucial in the development of the city. Love this build by the way Phil!

[@jane_s.]

I've been watching your channel for a while now and have gotten used to the phrases you use, and you really threw me for a loop at the end there 😂 Really enjoyed seeing the bus tour, though. It was a nice addition.

[@OldLordSpeedy]

First time I am happy about your public transport system with buses. Your destinations are not optimal specially that every stop must/should have an opposite and you drive them a cul-de-sac (at streets are you not do that!) mostly. Wonderful that you really see that the sims not walk over streets same people do it IRL if they want go into different directions and that you wait a time before you say it is wrong. I am 100% European and love to travel with public transport here in Europe and Asia. - Here stops the bus in cities often and at rual villages less. - Most companies use speed express lines (same port to intercity hub) inside city to travel fast from one side to another side. - Most local routes with many stops are away from fast-car centre streets to local streets with less traffic. - Bigger cities (e.g. Hamburg, Berlin (FRG!)) have bus hubs in every district, sometimes with tram, train, local train, aso. too. - Do you hate cul-de-sac but at public transport it is okay? Why? Local buses goes around at an area - if the area big (e.g. your both cities) use bus service in both directions! - Look where people want go (many people at stations) so from rual village to city only kids and old timer go - yeah school and shopping. - Let people all ways open. Put away the streets and see only the transport routes and play "I stay here and want go there!". If this not possible then the sims goes so far they can go and then change to car (more traffic). And KZbinr wonder "how my traffic is bad". Fun fact: Buses can use *every streets* in opposite to tram, train, gondola, monorail. Use this flexibility! Some things are not realistic in CS: - the typical bus have 30 people only or that in IRL at rual places the bus came every 60 min and inside city every 5 min. But this problem do you see already and 'timed it' with calculate people overall. That is a big plus in opposite to other KZbinr.

[@cclynchfilm]

Hey man, just wanted to say that your videos have played a huge role in my enjoyment of Cities Skylines. I’ve seamlessly moved from watching your content to learn how to play to watching it to grab inspiration for new builds. Thank you! Keep up the great work!

[@PuiDeZmeuYT]

YES, USE TRAMS!! they're amazing and I would definitely see them fit into the downtown of Evergreen

[@tillycatcat]

I don’t think you need CW and CCW bus routes where the stops are on the opposite side of the road to each other. When the bus route fills out, you will have buses on both sides of the route. To go in the return direction you can just cross the road and vice versa for the outbound direction. This will reduce the admin of buses!

[@pontusedberg]

replace the big oak tree at 16:03(big one in the corner) with one of those small buss building, for information and a quick bite to eat. and also able to wait inside if it rains/snows outside.

[@Simon-fg8iz]

Realistically, never go for more buses than the length of route. For 6km route, don't go over 6 buses (1km spacing of buses). If they go on average 30km/h (including stopping), that means one bus every 2 minutes, which is plenty enough. If you have 24 buses on such a route, you basically have continuous stream of buses, almost a train. If you crank it on #buses = #km, and still have crowding, go for better transport solutions.

[@funky6399]

Wow, your transit planning even with only a few routes is way way more efficient than anything I build. I can only move people with metros I think separating “express”/intercity and local seems to work better than just many long lines spanning a whole metro

[@thedukeofkidding941]

I cant even imagine how much harder this game would be on console...i wouldnt even try im so satisfied just watching a master work

[@RavensSoTired]

It is fun on console. Played it on ps4. Got a xbox series s but I'm going to wait for the second game

[@joelerikson4556]

I love your transit episodes! And yes, there should absolutely be trams in Evergreen!

[@markosf09]

Yes, trams, always trams. I live in a city with an extensive public transit system. It was great to see you put together a system that makes sense. Ive seen other gamers execute transit systems as though they threw a large fistful of spaghetti at the wall. This was good fun to watch.

[@MohamedElkammar]

23:51 Love that Giza minibus! They are known locally as "Microbuses". The minibus is a different breed entirely. Boy, I can't count the many times I had to sit facing backward on a rickety folding chair that is welded directly to the internal engine hood. I don't miss the numbing sensation that my lower half would experience though. It has been decades since I been in one. I bet, one ride in those now, would immobilize me for days henceforth.

[@williammcmurray7385]

43:00 Hey CPP! For the Town of Couillard bus line, have you considered splitting it in 2 lines? One dedicated to the homes above, and one for the forestry industry. If a resident of the homes needs to make it to the transfer point, passing by the forestry industry can make the line overly long for them (I think especially of students relying on the bus to make it to the schools in town). Splitting them would also also for quicker turn around and more frequent service for employees of the forestry industry who need more capacity than the residents. I would also maybe consider sending a line to the agriculture district for any of those employees who would want to take the bus to and from work. Otherwise great improvements on the bus services! They're now much more efficient for residents :)

[@jacobrobinson7395]

Don’t feel bad about drainage in the bus turn around. The water goes underneath the rocks is an industrial size “french drain” 17:48 through a culvert under the road and is sent down the hill by the new bus service area.

[@wackaiya]

Really enjoyed your approach to public transport. Great video as usual

[@conwayjj]

I love the transit episodes. I feel like this is where Cities Skylines really shines. I think you could make this even better by adding another level to the transit hierarchy in certain places, where some of the local routes don't necessarily go all the way back to the hub, but are picked up by another route. It seems like a lot of the bunching is due to people getting on at the very beginning of a route, and staying on until they get to the hub. If you force the trip back to the hub to be on a separate line, you could do some loading/unloading in between, especially on that rural route. Also, I'm not sure that the math you are using quite works, where you total up all the waiting sims and divide by the number of buses. It's probably close enough, but the number you really need to divide by is the number of sims arriving at each station per loop - the number of sims disembarking at each station per loop, which is a lot harder to calculate. Otherwise you could be in a situation where you've got 31 people that show up per cycle, and only one 30 person bus, but that extra person just keeps compounding so after a year or two, you've got 200 people waiting, but you really only need an extra seat on the bus to clear the demand. It's a bit of a weird game mechanic, since the sims don't ever really seem to give up on transit, but makes it so in certain places your demand isn't really as high as it seems. But in other places it can be a lot worse, like the rural route above where everyone wants to basically ride the entire loop to get to the end, so your demand isn't just X people on the bus, it's X people on the bus to the very end, so even though the individual station demand is low, you need a ton more buses to clear it.

[@joeyslush8859]

Recently heard the line that back in the early 1900s you could cross the country using street cars switching between each towns systems where they crossed over. Makes me miss transit focused towns like that and makes me want to push my community to invest more in transit, but our off season population(our population triples in summer from tourism) likely wouldn't be able to support a transit system and many in the community would likely turn their noses up at using it. Just so frustrating that we used to have popular effective transit!

[@jessemorris967]

You are the🐐. I love the narratives surrounding the different changes in your builds. It's similar to what I do when playing.

[@ryanjeff3098]

I don't have a recommendation, but your videos are just the absolute best. I enjoy how you think, and how you solve problems ingeniously. Frankly, quite relaxing.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

A set of trams would be a pretty good idea. It makes the roads more prominent and increases recognizability of an area immensely, and is still very useful for public transport - though it might make roads not so easy to line with trees. Really, I wish the roads were more of a procedural tally system - you select what you want and the game generates a road for it. Wide sidewalks, lane count/pedestrian road, omnidirectional or one-way, a parking lane (or perpendicular parking spaces), side tram tracks, central tram tracks, monorail, bus lanes, bike lanes, grass, trees, medians, and so forth. An easy way to make it conform to every situation, even weird ones like needing an asymmetrical 4 lane and 1 lane road (which can certainly happen), or the one-way road with bus lane you wanted in this very video. One thing also nice for that would be the inclusion of central turn lanes, which I don't think CS currently supports. When it comes to the busses... the numbers are certainly something. I think, realistically, you might well end up with a higher capacity bus just carting people to a few major downtown stops on a line from the intercity station, and then the smaller busses take people around between stops. You _could_ replicate that with multiple lines, though it just wouldn't be the same. Anyways, if the US wasn't so reluctant to pay for public transport, then the numbers in even its smaller cities and large towns would likely make the existence of a double-decker three section articulated bus pretty viable. Imagine the capacity of something like that. Nearly triple that of a standard articulated bus, easily - though by then you've made a tram with tires, more or less.

[@kyleanderson3787]

All the sims chilling at the bus stops is always a laugh. I’m playing on console again and fixing all my old builds with all the knowledge I have from watching you and other content creators.

[@JonZiegler6]

the reason you might have different capacity buses can be the streets they go on. They extended a bus route to a local street my apartment is on (which of course I dont like cause NIMBY). and it's a smaller bus because it has to turn onto a 1 lane bidirectional collector with trams and parking on both sides. No accidents so far, i'm amazed the bus can even make the turn!

[@preceptor.online]

33:55 You can change that in the Traffic Manager settings. The default is that the buses can ignore the lane arrows

[@LeeAndrewVideos]

Finally! I was so looking forward to this episode! Had a blast binge watching the previous 10 episodes, so much to learn and enjoy!

[@madao7865]

In a community the size of Evergreen, I'd rather argue for trolleybuses than trams. Maybe if there were high capacity sources and destinations like massive apartment blocks or a university a tram would be justified but as it stands, the trolley does everything a tram would without needing rails.

[@jeremizajac7197]

Great episode Phil! I love to see some Public Transport Love coming to Nicolet Bay c: I can already imagine the city of Evergreen spreading to the other side of the train tracks, having metro, skyscrapers etc.!

[@kjfer8326]

A big yes to trams, less noise pollution and with the latest updates capacity is now greatly increased, also could give the city more character, and perhaps the entire Bay if you plan to make an intercity network. Side-note: the minibuses you used are based on those commonly used in East Asian countries in which they're utilized mainly for rural commutes as the roads there are typically narrower and are not as dense as the cities.

[@foundthissometimeago]

This street level tour is great! Love this series. ❤

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Definitely, we should have a tramway! I'd like to see it connect Evergreen Downtown and Couillard, thanks.

[@M00th]

Phil! Love the series! Just a quick editing note: If you could add a 5-10 second song/visual bumper at the start of the episode, that would be great! YT keeps autoplaying muted videos from the home screen, so I always have to rewind to catch the cold open. You're killing it out there, man! Congrats on the Black Voices feature, it's cool to see them recognize you

[@vespum2855]

Trams in downtown Evergreen would be cool, especially since busses seem to be proving the demand exists. There's not a lot of East-West Transit connectivity occurring on the North end of Evergreen - maybe the tram fills in that hole? I also wonder if the town of Couillard would be better served with multiple small minibus routes connecting with a single collector route taking a larger bus through the community? Love the videos!

[@atomic7528]

We need more of the double decker buses. They are waaaay more common than articulated buses (at least where i live) and they also dont clog the streats up as much

[@ryanedkins1521]

I live on the East Coast US and we don’t have any double deckers here. Articulate are far far more common.

[@atomic7528]

@@ryanedkins1521 I've not seen an articulated bus for about 5 years so I guess it just where we live and no type is peticularly better

[@ryanwachira]

I absolutely love the effort you put in your videos❤

[@junirenjana]

High-frequency minibus systems are very common in developing countries across Asia and Africa. They are extremely flexible and can fit in narrow urban streets or rural dirt roads. In Indonesia they are usually provided by small private companies on government sanctioned routes, but in recent years the govt have started to take over the service. One example is Jakarta's Mikrotrans minibuses, which are completely free to ride and act as feeders for the larger bus and BRT systems (which support the suburban rail and metro systems).

[@mpcamposz]

Can we just take a moment to apreciate the audio quality? That's a good fucking microphone right there

[@dotSp0T]

"this is not a fancy facility".. my dude this IS a super fancy facility! The whole thing is green and full of trees, who's gonna maintain that? ExPeNsIvE as can be. Aside from the hedgerow I'd expect the whole corner to be one big batch of concrete, concrete center, concreten it up for ease of use and maintenance: more space for parking cars, busses, bicycles, ...

[@IceDree]

Bus turnarounds/transfer points are underrated, I recently implemented them in my City and they helped curtail the congestion caused by the buses. I vote Yes on proposition 420 to bring Trams to the bay. (p.s. the 132-passenger tram is bugged at the moment, at least on Xbox) Excellent work, Phil.

[@louis-andromeda]

Love the street-level city tour!

[@rickydavis9936]

Love the little extra story that you give to your builds!!! Yes tram service from downtown to Port and back, maybe another in future going other direction all the way around along the lakeshore road connecting both towns!! can't wait for next episode keep up the great work!!!

[@NathanGWood]

Hey Phil, loving your stuff! Just one small thing about the bus turnaround in Coulliard: I think your fence and landscaping is eliminating the vision triangle, something dangerous for a spot where buses will be going in and out.

[@blkmamba]

Another great video. I enjoy transit oriented videos as much as I enjoy videos like the VB mid town video you did the other day. I am happy that I've got to watch this build from the ground up!

[@hoobie360]

Always love your content. Interested to see Nicolet Bay evolve. Cheers!

[@TheNextMarx]

I live in a city where the bus routes are actually pretty good for an American city. It was refreshing to know that I could reliably use the bus for most anything.

[@cochemoche]

Trams for sure! Maybe, with the aid of Move It, the tram lines could go in between the roads of the parkway, and in general I'd like to see the whole tram network avoid sharing with cars on roads entirely, and instead just be the tram and pedestrian.

[@theodoreochse6461]

Yes trams! If couillard shores and evergreen ever grow into each other the trams could be a downtown service and be used as rapid transit in between the two

[@simonrival1613]

I'm half a year late to comment this, but jacaranda isn't really tropical. It grows amazingly well in temperate climates. Where I live in the tropics, they don't tend to survive very well as the root system doesn't handle cyclone winds too well.