Utah REALLY Wants Big 12 Exit After BYU Loss? Mark Harlan's Comments Express Utes Disgust of League

[@anthonyd.fenton5450]

I graduated from Utah along with my wife. We had season tickets for years. All of that time BYU football crushed Utah, years! We couldn’t even give the tickets away. Then many “fans” then became obsessed in trying to denigrate a religion. Then after a streaker laid down on the 50 and a year later after a “fan” urinated on the field after the game and constantly hearing vulgarities, we stopped going and haven’t gone back. Schools rivalries are fine religious bigotry is not.

[@jeffbleyl6243]

There was a time a few years ago when the coach placed the "Y" in the locker room urinals before the big game instructing players to piss on the Y. This did it for me when the AD and school president allowed this to happen.

[@athenabowler3788]

Amen to that.

[@erichmonson128]

I went to RES as a Weber State fan with my family and had beer poured on me and my two children. It's fine that Utah fan apologists contend that 'not all Utah fans are like this', that being said, the 'good' Utah fans should step up and say something or report them.

You're full of shit, RES doesn't sell beer, and beverages from the outside are not allowed. Keep feeding your bullshit narrative.

[@neechee5150]

@@erichmonson128 We have heard ad nauseam that incidents like the one you faced are not true and that it is just other team fans trying to make the Ute crowd look bad. Sorry you and your family were treated so poorly by the Ute fans. On an another note the Deseret News obtained a video of the BYU cheer coach being hit in the head with a water bottle. The Utes can no longer deny that this took place nor can they deny that the perpetrator was not targeting the BYU side of the field

[@DustinRGreen-ww4og]

I had no horse in the race (I'm a CSU Ram)...and I have to say Utah should be embarrassed (the AD's reaction along with Whits reaction, plus fans throwing trash at players...real classy). I've lived in Utah for 15 years and like to see both schools win. Let me just say the refs calls at the end were great calls. The "face mask" call against BYU at the end of the 2nd half was terrible on the other hand. Utes need to get over themselves....as an outsider looking in, the lack of class, arrogance, immaturity, and entitlement from the U of U is unreal. Embarrassing for Utah.

[@elvangulley3210]

Bs

[@joybischoff9558]

​@elvangulley3210 How dare you negate that man's personal experience. I've had many, many people tell me horror stories about the Ute fans. A couple of times parents told me their children cried in fear and never wanted to go back. Yes the Y has some rude fans but percentages tell a story. Blind bias is powerful. Do the math. Be honest.

[@elvangulley3210]

@joybischoff9558 this us just big 12 fans team up on the program that didn't want to be there time nothing more

[@hkpew]

@@elvangulley3210 When did CSU join the Big 12? Somehow I missed that.

[@mr.wilson8340]

@@joybischoff9558Cried in fear? A little over the top aren’t we? 😂

[@jkemp6791]

I’m a Utah Jazz fan. I never understood why the Jazz fan base had such a poor reputation around the league. Now I understand who it is and it ain’t BYU fans…

[@brendenpowell9812]

AMEN!!!

[@UteRed]

Just say you’re a BYU fan bro 😂

[@jkemp6791]

@@UteRed - Just say Ute fans are toxic AF

[@JoshuaLauritzen]

like I said BYU's fan base is just as bad! I've gotten attacked and beaten by BYU fans who got too caught up in the game

[@dontibbitts9490]

@@jkemp6791 that was the biggest piece of passive aggressive bullshit by a BYU fan. Trying too insult Utah fans I have ever heard.. 🙄.

[@dvnlizardandimamormn]

Not a rash decision by the AD. 1. On the field during the final play. 2. Finger waging the refs and threatening their jobs after the game. 3. Jumps on stage to throw the refs, and the conference under the bus while using words “disgusting “ and “unprofessional “ to describe others 4. Can’t lower himself to apologize. Utah has a clown at the helm

[@rockymtn1291]

@@dvnlizardandimamormn The woke mind virus got to him I think

[@ryanhorton6650]

He apologized

[@knivesfriends5244]

Umm they're mostly all tools. The classy ppl are the exception

[@MaryLuCrafts]

​@ryanhorton6650 no, he didn't. He issued a statement. He sidestepped. He never actually apologized

[@Alex-zj9lf]

@@ryanhorton6650not really 😂 never said sorry just that he could’ve “handled it better “

[@stischer47]

If Utah wants to leave the Big 12, let them. Better still, kick them out and see who wants them. MW? Pac2? Who wants another FSU?

[@nathangarn6918]

Nobody at Utah wants to leave the Big 12. This whole podcast is a joke.

[@stischer47]

@@nathangarn6918 That may be, but when the AD says what he did, after so much about the "Truck Stop Conference", then don't be surprised when the rest of conference reacts.

[@emwa3600]

I would have been funny if the Big 12 Commish had said, "And we're not happy paying OUR money to Utah's athletic department."

[@Ty-jr9ou]

@@nathangarn6918 your AD want too. Go cry some more

[@gdog3finally]

@@stischer47 Behind the scenes Utah has been working on things with the ACC for the last year. I think Utah is a better fit culturally in the BIG 12 but the donors and higher ups love the academic side of arrogance they learned by kissing the ass of the West Coast snobs in the PAC 12. Thus the stupid 'Truck Stop Conference' nonsense.

[@Momoneymmiproblems]

If we are going to have a discussion about questionable calls shouldn’t we talk about the phantom facemask that took a 5 yard loss to a 15 yard first down? Utah scored off that drive so shouldn’t the Y be able to say the only reason Utah was in the lead was because the refs handed them a gift on a stalled out drive?

[@TimKirkpatrick79]

💯👊🏻🤙🏻

[@alextemus]

Tough to say 21 points in that quarter is possible otherwise

[@randallbambrough3186]

Totally agree, furthermore penalties are part of the game and affect both sides.

[@howdoyouknow1218]

I believe it was a BYU defender made an interception and then was stripped of the ball. Turns out he was down and replay showed it. Utah got the ball back and byu ended up losing. That call “cost” them the game. I say “cost” because it didn’t. There were plenty of other things they could have done to win. I understand the desire to place blame on a call because I’ve seen it go the other way too.

[@Momoneymmiproblems]

@ well put

[@SpongeBobaFett]

I have the utmost respect for JT. I'm a Cougar fan, but I have a lot of Ute friends that are close to me. We give eachother shit for various aspects of rhe rivalry, but I'm glad to see JT not resort to the same level of unprofessionalism as the Utah AD.

[@KB-nv4bl]

The University of Utah players should’ve been distraught! They didn’t score any points in the second half. BYU scored points every quarter and the University of Utah scored 21 points in the second quarter and then they were done. So basically they were a one and done scoring quarter team.

[@samuelrussell5760]

The weirdest part about Harlan's comments was saying he's not happy to be in the big 12. Being mad at the refs and wanting to vent and complain to the commissioner isn't a great look but comes off as a fan being fired up about losing a game. But talking about not wanting to be in the league seems to definitely expose some deeper resentment. Feeling that you got robbed by the refs shouldn't just instantly make you want to change to a different league if something else wasn't already there. And it's not like the B1G is looking to pick up a team that is at the bottom of the big 12.

[@edkiely2712]

Another out-of-context hairbrained comment! Harlan communicated NOTHING about "not wanting to be in the league" goofball. He specifically said that he was happy to be in the Big-12, but "NOT TODAY"- that's it! There was no elaborative commentary about not wanting to be in the conference, or any other criticism of it. His presser was brief and concise! Careless individuals like you who irresponsibly interpret things way out of context are what inevitably create ridiculous "public gossip" because you give little-to-no attention to details.

[@JoshuaLauritzen]

all Utah fans agree that this league sucks. Because ever since we came to the Big 12 they have mistreated us! And once the Big 12 becomes the second Pac 12 I think they are going to regret what they said! if we leave to big 10 or whatever. Because they are deperate!

[@samuelrussell5760]

@ Are you trolling?

[@tarheel7406]

@@AlexanderWinterborn-r6p The BIG12 is #3 in men's basketball.... Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024. 2020 N/A) ACC: 9-5-3 B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston) BIGEAST: 6-4-4 SEC: 5-0-0 (Includes OK) B1G: 7-3-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA) ACC - Appeared in 7 of 9 Final Fours (6 different teams) BE - Appeared in 5 of 9 Final Fours (2 different teams) B12 - Appeared in 4 of 9 Final Fours (4 different teams) PSU is irrelevant in the sport.

[@denisdooley1540]

​@@AlexanderWinterborn-r6pWell, they'd probably be in the PAC now instead of Utah State 😅.

[@daveduncan2748]

As a coug fan, I hope Harlan is not fired. I want him there as a continual reminder, every time he speaks, of the tantrums (on the field and in the press room) he threw Saturday night

[@mikoyle]

As a BYU fan I’ve enjoyed JT’s insights this year. He’s level headed and respectful. He’s solid.

[@alphasquid3735]

A little insight into University of Utah football. Back in the day after Utah went to the Pac 12 1280 the zone was the number one sports talk radio in Utah. It's football season. Their top story was something about BYU. They got a call from the University of Utah athletic department stating you must start your broadcast with University of Utah football first because we're in the pac-12 and we're more important. So Utah athletic department has always been arrogant fools

[@nathangarn6918]

Sounds made up. 1280 is a joke, and I doubt the athletic department would care, considering they're partnered with ESPN for radio.

[@teddaniel5190]

The last holding penalty of the game was 100% correct. You need to do your homework and watch that happen from a different angle it's there it changed the game. ESPN Trevor Matich concurs. After he watched the other angles. In fact he stated that it probably saved Utah from having a touchdown scored against them.

[@reapert6357]

No, it wasn't even Joel klatt said it's bs. Those referees were fired from the pac 12 because they are terrible. They had so many bad calls both ways that they are a terrible crew.

[@tombstonestakes]

⁠@@reapert6357it’s false to say Joel Klatt said it was a bs call. He said it was an inconsistent call. And that the refs should have set a precedent for the call earlier in the game. Ex-NFL ref Terry McAulay said he watched every pass play and that this was the first time a defensive hold occurred during the game. I’m not going to verify the truthfulness of his claim. Either way it sounds to me like you want the call to be bs and you’re looking for people to validate your feelings.

[@stevehirzel6871]

Dont use multi-syllabic words or try to talk sense to Ute fans. Use cartoons or sock puppets- gotta get down to their level

[@russelldesertvikinganderso3386]

Confirmed ✅️ HOLDING ⚠️

[@Uhtred-the-bold]

Matich is wrong about the TD cause the safety was coming over. Dude got beat when the WR broke outside, he held him to stay onto top of him. Get over it. I don’t give a fuck what he or Klatt thinks about it.

[@Stanley-q6t]

I took three children to a rival game at Rice Eccles a decade ago and it was the worst experience ever. Fans right in front of us with “screw BYU “ who were drunk and gave my children the bird throughout the game. Down the row were lesbian lovers who made it a point to display behaviors that kids should witness if you espouse Christian beliefs. It was a terrible experience and we had several Ute fans apologize to us after the game. It’s not for kids sadly.

[@aidanmedrano278]

I’m sorry that’s hilarious. I bet your kids learned a lot of valuable life lessons that day

[@ericpranger7129]

As a Utah fan we better not be leaving. Embarrassed by the AD and what he said

[@bqmac43]

As good as Harlan has been for Utah, his actions that night (walking on the field during the game, the blowups, the not-sorry response) should put him on the hot seat at the very least.

[@edkiely2712]

It's Harlan buddy! Also, Harlan has what's called an "All-Access Pass" in a lanyard around his neck which allows him to walk wherever he wants after the game. Looks like you need to be informed about a few things!

[@blendbeast7322]

@edkiely2712 I didn't realize an all-access pass let's you walk on the field during the play!

[@drkjhnsn]

​​@@edkiely2712 it wasn't 'after' the game, hence the penalty. Trying to defend his actions just makes you look bad too.

[@grampzquad]

​@edkiely2712 We don't need to know how to spell his last name. I just spell it "A$$HOLE".

[@edkiely2712]

@@drkjhnsn Are you this out-of-touch and dumb goofball? My reply was to bqmac's "walking on the field DURING the game." Harlan confronted the head official AFTER THE GAME! Also, spare me being the millionth duplicate clone with his hackneyed virtue-signalling about Harlan's response. Nobody ever wants to entertain the actual possibility that he's accurate, and the Big-12 does have a covert and INCENTIVIZED AGENDA to get BYU(and possibly Colorado)into the playoffs without being too conspicuous about it. Our world is saturated with corrupt individuals and institutions that will do anything for money and power. But, you keep on with your self-righteousness and naive ways and let us truly critical thinkers do the intelligent interrogations!🤣

[@alpinestar339]

Harlin and Whittingham's tantrum this week is hurting Utah's brand. Right now everyone in the BIGXIII is hating on the Utes. Sponsors doners, potential athletes and fan are not going to want to be associated with poor loosers. Harlin's statement reeked of arrogance. He should sit down in front of the media to address this the same as he did Saturday night. Harlin and Whit you guys just damaged a program that you have spent years to build up. The era of University of Utah having a nationally prominent football team may be over.

[@edkiely2712]

Do you actually know the definition of the word "tantrum?" Harlan and Whittingham hardly exhibited tantrums brotha! Guys like you that use words erroneously and implement over-the-top hyperbole dominate these comment sections!

[@nathangarn6918]

Whittingham was a little heated. Nothing close to a tantrum.

[@edkiely2712]

@nathangarn6918 Precisely! Being upset or angry doesn't necessarily qualify as a "tantrum!"

[@arttrumbo9496]

​@edkiely2712 Whittingham threw a chair. That's the definition of tantrum.

[@edkiely2712]

@@arttrumbo9496 What a moron! He didn't "throw" a chair dimwit! He knocked one over as he was walking out. Learn what words mean and keep reaching low-IQ man!

[@erichansen1739]

I think Tom Holmoe should contact Mark Harlan and suggest one of two options: 1) independence; 2) rejoin the Pac 2. I think those are both really good options for Utah.

[@westongrant1702]

As a BYU fan. I appreciate JT as such a fair mind.

[@SB-ju8ki]

UTAH should leave the BIG 12…PERIOD! Everyone would be better off ! UTAH does believe they are to good for the BIG 12! By the way…the holding call WAS LEGIT…PERIOD! Both of you know the UTAH fans are the WORST…PERIOD! BE HONEST DRAKE!

[@rockymtn1291]

Some of them, 10-20%

[@pil0tfisch439]

@@rockymtn1291 when the 10-20% is as loud as they are, and the normal fans don’t speak up, yeah that’s a problem for Utah. They’re the laughing stock of the big 12 right now because of their reaction

[@silkyjohnson4208]

CAPS LOCK DOESNT MAKE YOU SOUND SMART why would big 12 lose a shit ton of money on their investments lol. Goofy ass fans

[@bam530530]

Go run back to the PAC 12. I hear they have a lucrative TV deal and teams you have chance to beat.

[@gregjross852]

Tbh let’s trade them for Wazzu.

[@Joe-sm9qj]

Might as well grab OSU too

[@WhatsInside]

The year to year BYU v Utah rivalry is BAAAAACCCCKKK! Love it.

[@29auburn21]

BYU was in danger of losing twice. It has not been every game that has been a miraculous last second win.

[@hkpew]

To be fair, I think you have to include SMU as a third game that they were in danger of losing. They didn't have to score in the last 2 minutes to avoid defeat, but they did break a tie with less than 2 minutes left with their final field goal. So not last second, and they weren't losing before the score, but still pretty late in the game and they left plenty of time for SMU to tie it up again or even take the lead.

[@robs-gt7hq]

@@hkpew how so the game was tied when we drove down the field for the game winning field goal....at no time were we in danger of losing the game.

[@sabrinalifttobefit4900]

Thank you. I’m tired of hearing about all the close games like there was a miracle in every game. It’s 2 games. Period.

[@NathanMills1]

I appreciate JT's steady and calm view of the game and the rivalry. Good convo, guys.

[@gr1629]

Two things: First, Utah was not snubbed by the Big 10. In order to be snubbed, a team needs to be under consideration. Utah was never considered. Second, I agree with utes who say that Utah is the Flag-ship program of the Big 12. Keep those flags coming boys, especially in critical situations.

[@tarheel7406]

a) UTAH was reported as vetted by the B1G b) Every PAC member reached out to the B1G for an invite during the collapse

[@joshahlstrom2764]

@@tarheel7406Utah is not the big brand they think they are. UCLA was added over them and is far less successful in the most revenue generating sport, football. That’s why they got left out.

[@tarheel7406]

@@joshahlstrom2764 My comment was to evidence that UTAH was indeed snubbed by the B1G. Every current member of the BIG12 has been de facto considered and rejected at some level by the other P4s. UTAH and FSU are very similar at the moment.

[@Godballs]

Flag ship program in football? Debatable, seeing as the BIG12 is pretty even from top to bottom. Definitely not in basketball or anything else except Gymnastics.

[@robs-gt7hq]

@@tarheel7406 show me the report where they were vetted!! I have never seen any such report from the BIG!

[@freedomlineman3105]

Run back to your “safe space” in the PAC 12 Utah😂. I love the “Truck stop” conference. Go Big 12!!

[@EJames-k5m]

Alum of both universities here. The issue is not the fans because they do both good and dumb stuff no matter the university. The broader issue that I experienced and witnessed first hand is Utah's administration and faculty engaging in pervasive bigotry and elitism. It seems to me that Utah AD's comments confirm my experiences and observations. There's a reason I don't donate $$$ when Utah comes calling!

[@TroyBrock-o7w]

I like the Utah guy but don't think his take is entirely accurate. What Mark Harlan did was a culmination of a lot of frustration and not just a heat of th moment / one time thing. Utah did NOT want to join the Big12. It was excruciating for them. Here's why: - Utah was playing with the Blue Bloods of the Pac12, USC, UCLA, Wash, Oregon and even academic juggernauts like Stanford and Cal. - Utah grew to be the dominant team in the Pac. They were the bullies - Utah relished being in a P5 and BYU stuck as an Independent - Utah had an edge with big recruits in state. They were a P5 team. Utah's brand was soaring Here's the current reality - Utah was never a Blue Blood while it played in the Pac. - THOSE DAYS ARE OVER - Utah plays NO blue bloods in the Big12. Good teams but OSU, KSU an ISU are not blue bloods - Utah is on an even playing field now with the Y and the P4 platform of the Big12 will allow BYU's brand to shine. - Utah's brand is in a free fall and part of the reason is being entitled and reactive Utah has become the heel of the Big12 and a villain in college football. A cultural shift is needed at the AD and HC level.

[@ericm2327]

Not to mention that BYU is starting to win the recruit battle. For the last 15 years, Utah was getting all of the top recruits except for the occasional "legacy recruit" (Whittinghams words, not mine). Look at last years recruiting class. Utah had 13 recruits. Compare it to the top 13 recruits BYU had. They are on par with each other. You'll find that of those 13 recruits BYU had, the majority of them also had offers from Utah. They chose BYU over Utah.

[@TroyBrock-o7w]

@@ericm2327 Yeah, nice point and perspective. Nice to see BYU already winning more of the recruiting battles.

[@WeknowhoUR]

Well said !!!

[@bradeldredge6412]

Very well said

[@TroyBrock-o7w]

@@AlexanderWinterborn-r6p Definitely have some basketball blue bloods in this conference. And the BYU brand is on the rise. This too must frustrate Harlan. Such a great time to be a Coug!

[@ameyers67]

At least Utah can still has Women's basketball to look up to

[@toyolla86]

JT handled the topic very well. Thanks for being awesome. Not used to seeing that from many Ute fans. Then again BYU has physically thought with other teams in the past. Wasn’t it USF that they fought in Florida?

[@jayscott1380]

Lifetime cougar fan here. Tons of respect for JT, he gives Utah fans good look, very level headed and objective.

[@thomasb5828]

Imagine being so soft that when your rival beats you, you then want to leave the conference. Softer than charmin

[@denisdooley1540]

​@@AlexanderWinterborn-r6pFired? No. But it's one of those things that will cling to him and make termination a bit easier the next time he loses his cool. I think back on E. Gordon Gee, who was President at Ohio State. He had a spat of foot-in-mouth disease and ended up shuffled into an advisory role, then ended up jumping to West Virginia.

[@millennialdawn2024]

Don't see why anyone else would invite Utah to be a part of thier conference with Mr. Clown at the head. Utah needs to start clean with a new AD... make a clean start.

[@SpongeBobaFett]

Come to LES for the Holy War. It's MUCH more civil and less hostile. Utes are ravenous at Rice Eccles and the atmosphere brings out the worst in both fanbases. It's still chippy at LES but fans tend to keep their composure more there

[@nathangarn6918]

I was literally punched at a Holy War game at LES. Been told multiple times I'm not a good mormon if I don't go to be byu. Something Big 12 fans haven't seen yet but is there is byu's superiority complex. Someone at church 2 weeks ago went off about how much better byu people are than UCF people after attending the game there this year. Get off your damn high horse and worry about your own fanbase.

[@arttrumbo9496]

​@nathangarn6918 you aren't wrong. I'm a BYU fan (not from Utah) and there have been times when I was straight up embarrassed to be associated with BYU due to the actions of fans and players. However, this year I have seen only good sportsmanship (until the Holy War this year). I hope BYU has turned a new leaf and continues to represent with honor.

[@knivesfriends5244]

​@nathangarn6918 no you didn't. Don't lie in the comments section. Nobody from byu said they're superior to ucf why would they. They won the game and Cosmo took photos with the ucf band everyone got along fine. Don't make things up

[@nathangarn6918]

@knivesfriends5244 Dude, and entire congregation heard this guy stand up and say that. There are like 300 witnesses. Sorry, you don't like that it happened, but the sentiment is not uncommon.

[@austinrichins1856]

Drake, the one thing I've gotta dispute, is you saying BYU players came to the North end zone to taunt Utah fans. I was right there on the front of the north end zone, with a clear view of all the stands. That northeast corner was where the central mass of BYU fans were seated. They went over there to appreciate their fans, and they've done the same thing at every away game.

[@kevindenny3607]

Utah has BYU Derangement Syndrome (BDS)

[@equalizer1946]

Dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out Harlan.

[@michaelclark5666]

Drake, JT, you both impressed me with this show. Drake man, you've really done your research. JT, I appreciate your level-headed comments. I've been a lifelong BYU fan, but I've always avoided talking about the rivalry game with both BYU and Utah fans because I can't stand the insanity. I loved the honesty and being able to state the obvious, even when it hurts! I've had to do plenty of that over the last 10 years. Great show from both of you.

[@JonJohnson-fv8jp]

Agreed

[@richardevans4531]

JT Wistrcill you are a class act this coming from a BYU fan. Your opinion of both BYU and UofU I agree with. We will see how BYU does next to see if they can keep that level of play. BYU has done better then I could have hoped for. I just hoped that BYU could go to a bowl, but to be 9-0 is unbelievable. I figured that BYU would not be a powerhouse in the Big 12 for a few years. UofU i did not want to see them fall like this, but it is what it is. UofU need to figure out how to develop QB since it has always been what holds UofU back. Rising is done and UofU need to cut its loss and build up for next year.

[@merlebyu1]

JT, thanks for an honest evaluation of Utah saying the game was not stolen, Utah had chances but didn’t capitalize.

[@agarber1932]

Kick out Utah. Bring in Boise State.

[@brandonl2555]

If it was just the comments about the refs, or just the comments about the conference, or just the walking on the field during the game, or just the non-apology apology… Then maybe he shouldn’t lose his job. But you throw all those things together, absolutely yes people should be calling for his job

[@Randyrancor]

BYU fan who really likes JT’s approach to things; nothing wrong with being a passionate fan but knows when things go to far; also well informed, thoughtful and appropriately respectful

[@kevinjlarson]

JT is an absolute professional! I’m a BYU fan and still love watching him! Objective and level-headed. Good work!

[@fast800man]

The impact of Harlan’s decision to talk to the press after the game will last FOREVER. He needs to issue an actual apology or he’ll never make any headway on that awful decision.

[@RustySpur]

Exactly

[@michaelcowan3471]

I work for BYU. I am at the stadium for all home games and on the field for parts of the game. At the last BYU/Utah game at LVES a Utah fan saw my badge and called me by name, when I looked toward him he splashed vodka in my face from a plastic flask. Then he told me what he thought about Mormons, which was of course an ignorant and uninformed brain vomit. Then later at the same game a Utah Fan threw a first down signal in front of some fans and punch a BYU fan in the nose. He was unapologetic and was removed from the game. It has gotten out of hand and it is completely unhealthy for the state of Utah.

[@krjohnson29]

As a Washington State fan I do not miss Utah. Worse than USC in terms of entitlement.

[@CatNip555]

Utah back to the pac 12 would be a great move

[@jakeswinson1760]

I’m not sure if this is what you were trying to say or not, but I just wanted to clarify that the church doesn’t fund byu sports. Up until NIL, byu sports were self supported, that’s why we are seeing such a big change, because now we have money coming straight from donors to players

[@kadencomish9206]

As a BYU fan, I typically can’t stand UofU media and the things they say about the rivalry, but JT is doing it right. Respect.

[@colbypark1311]

I don’t love the “Team of Destiny” comment because it seems to cheapen the hard work and effort that Kalani and Co. have put into this team since the terrible disappointment of last year. Since January they’ve been challenging and preaching a need to change everything. That deserves some credit for the intentional hard work.

[@Calebbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb]

I heard the Mountain West would love to have Utah!

[@twotwentyswift]

Don't bet on it. Their reputation presedes them.

[@hjohnson966]

Blanket statements are killing us. Not ALL Ute fans are toxic, not ALL Utah fans are arrogant and snobby. But SOME of them are.

[@brycenwalker1550]

You're right, but the good ones need to be louder and call out the toxic ones

[@dirkpalmer1067]

What's up with the yewts pumping crowd noise into stadium. Players on sideline noticed.

[@nathangarn6918]

Didn't happen.

[@dirkpalmer1067]

@nathangarn6918 players said otherwise. 2,069 days since yewts have beaten BYU in football. Return to glory in progress! 😀

[@chrisskillings6463]

As a BYU fan, I can totally understand Utah’s pain and frustration on that call. Absolutely brutal to make that call in that situation. If it had happened to us, the comments would be equal but opposite. That said, this controversy is absolutely solid gold for the rivalry going forward. The level of animosity next year is going to be off the chart!

[@twotwentyswift]

Refs aren't supposed to swallow their whistles because it's late in the game. They're supposed to call penalties when they happen so that they don't influence the outcome of the game.

[@stevecarlile2488]

I genuinely feel bad for the amount of sh*t JT has to scoop up after Harlan’s comments. The guy’s left with the impossible task of making it look like Harlan didn’t actually mean what he said. The fact that neither the university nor Taylor Randall has released any statement to reprimand or distance themselves from Harlan’s words and actions is pretty telling. Harlan’s own response just admits that his approach was wrong and that he’ll take the punishment-but there’s no hint he actually disagrees with or apologizes for what he said. The U's perception is now locked in for the rest of the league, and it’s not going away just because they’re leaving it to fans with a mic to try to cover up this massive sh*tshow.

[@jetfocus1152]

Found out from a friend who is a big Utah fan that can’t stand Mark. Guy is a piece of work.

[@joshellisd]

I’m not condoning the fans. I personally was watching this game at a party that I was the only byu fan and you can see the pain on the Ute fans faces. That being said for 9 years in a row Utah made every comment every time you talked about the holy war and they went to the extreme every time. I didn’t see what byu fans did but I’m still guessing it’s not as bad as pouring beer on the QBs mom’s head of the opposing team. Just saying.

[@RustySpur]

It’s a ‘holy war’ because one team hates the religion of the other team. Period

[@defylogictech]

Hey Guys.... Harlan has made his own bed. He really does need to lay in it. His 'non apology' statement should have probably finalized any 'benefit of the doubt' the guy deserved. It might be time for Harlan to peddle his schtick someplace else. Why? Because the arrogance and conceit that people thought might be there over the last year and Harlans comments from a year ago have now come home to roost. There is no doubt what Harlans sentiments are regarding the B12. IMO it's not repairable moving forward. Especially when Harlan has to work with other AD's around the Conference and also the Conference itself. And how can Harlan's opinion not seep into every aspect of the Sports Department at the U? It has... Whit has made enough quazi statements about 'not being in the B12 long' that those statements taken in the light of what's transpired the last week now seem to have context as well. At this point? Utah needs to Punt and regroup....

[@lindacrawford7904]

Attached to BYU is the story of the Utes. They've built their own legacy in the last decade, and good on them. But if you spend any time on the socials, it's as obvious as it's ever been that for the majority of Ute fans who post and take the time to troll online, BYU is the frame of reference.

[@randallreese6764]

Man, JT even has the signature Ute Fan goatee.

[@GenXTired]

As far as calling fouls… until the clock is at zeros, make every call. A foul is a foul is a foul. From the start to the end. Play clean football; don’t worry about whether the official is going to call a penalty-play clean so you don’t worry about getting a penalty. Accountability lies with the players, not the officials when it comes to a clean game.

[@mikecadaverHPT]

Excellent show... both of you

[@Xutto80]

Unsportsmanlike Conduct is the U football brand- too long a list to mention. BYU cheer coach knocked out by a water bottle from the box seats, police are involved. Coach Whitt didn’t shake hands. You can see Coach Sitake waiting then Whitt get distracted chewing out refs, then Utah DE Coach Lewis Powell says to Sitake “It’s OK” and hugs Sitake. I agree with Drake- Let’s draft Wazzou and let Utah go independent.

[@Justwonguy]

Whit shook kalanis hand. The cameras didn’t capture it but he did. Those two have a good relationship. They have said that they talk every week.

[@blackreign487]

Hey, Utah fans, don't be surprised you lost to Houston. Utah all-time record against Houston is 0-5 now. Just like FSU fans couldn't believe the loss to Houston in the Peach Bowl. Houston is 13-2-2 against them.

[@jetfocus1152]

It’s indisputable that that was a hold. Not even in question. If you want to dispute whether you call it at that point in the game fine. But it was 100% hold and gave Utah an advantage to Utah at that moment.

[@RustySpur]

Utah needs to put their big-boy pants on and send the AD out to give a real apology, quit being crybabies. Get over it and move on…maybe prepare for your next game.

[@mattfraser1096]

Don't these people that make an INSANE amount of money for "work" that they actually do IN A SPORT... shouldn't they be held to a much higher standard?

[@joeguerra8435]

I hope Utah decision makers are in back door communications with the PAC 12. Utah, the door is wide open to return home to the PAC.

[@anonymous219]

Something interesting about BYU is that it attracts kids who may not be interested in the party atmosphere on many college campuses. Also, its conservative politics. It will be interesting to see how the program evolves over the next decade. I think it is possible that BYU athletics become more religiously diverse by recruiting students who may come from religious backgrounds and appreciate that BYU remains true to their religious principles. Granted, there have been times where athletes have gotten a free pass (looking at you, Jim McM). But for the most part, BYU is serious about its honor code. And even though I wouldn't want to agree to some parts of the honor code, I respect that BYU tries to stay loyal to their religious commitments and practice.

[@Godballs]

Literally none of the athletes follow the dress and grooming standards. It isn’t enforced and the coaching staff and Dean don’t care to enforce it. BYU needs to get rid of the grooming standards or apply it uniformly

[@workingla8]

dude, it wasn't "taken out of context" - that's wishcasting, bro. Also, get that Harlan loses his shit during the press conference but his statement didn't do any better - he was still losing his shit. He doesn't get it, and neither does Utefan. Utefan's problem is that you have been exposed - everyone sees it and there's no taking it or walking it back. Your AD had one chance to reset and he effed it up. Cat's out of the bag and you now have to live with it.

[@theyoungtroop]

Just a continuation of him chasing the officials around during the final live kick. He’s lost his mind and the whole world had to watch it.

[@martybundy1343]

JT is the only classy thing about the U of U

[@adams2]

Retzlaff was looking left that entire play. The player held (JoJo) was the intended receiver. He had the corner beat on an outside release and was bumped, tugged, and then held. Trevor Matich said it was probably a touchdown if he wasn't held. Terry McAulay watched every play on the all 22 and said, "nothing even remotely close to defensive holding occurred against either team. Nothing anywhere near the level of material restriction tha toccurred on the play in question." So it was called consistent, it was a penalty, and it factored into the play b/c Retzlaff held onto the ball watching his receiver get almost taken down.

NOT, QB was sacked genius, that receiver would have never cought a pass. If the call had been against BYU, you"I'll be saying it wasn't holding

[@aBrewster29]

I really wish we could hear JT’s thoughts on why Harlan went to Big 12 membership. Colossal judgment lapse aside, what does conference affiliation have to do with disagreement over a missed call? Of all the petulant things he could have said, why that topic? I just don’t see a plausible explanation other than that Harlan showed his true colors and that of the Utah brass, especially considering the non-apology from Harlan and the non-response from the Utah president. Someone please correct this in a way that makes sense. Maybe it doesn’t matter since Utah’s already in with nowhere better to go. But Drake said it best, when your AD is giving voice to the 5% of crazy, toxic fans who exist in every fanbase it’s a problem.

[@aBrewster29]

I’ll add, even with their successes, Utah never rose to the prominence of USC and Oregon in the PAC12-that was always David slaying Goliath. You don’t have that dynamic in the Big 12 anymore. This is a league of peers, and Utah’s leadership just can’t seem to read the room.

[@ericm2327]

Harlan wanted the BIG10. That never came. The only 2 options Utah had was to join the BIG12 and take BIG12 money or stay and end up like Oregon State and Washington State. Make no mistake, they are not happy to be here. They are only here because they have no other option to stay relevant.

[@blackdouglas450]

Drake - I appreciate the balanced approach you are trying to take here, but the "they are both wrong" approach to the game just isn't accurate. While I agree 100% that it would be better if BYU players didn't taunt the crowd, comparing upside down U signs with assault and battery, threats, temper tantrums on camera by administrators... just isn't accurate. I guess I am just tired of the false-moral equivalency. Assaulting and injuring people is not the same as making an upside down U sign. Not even in the same ballpark. Leaving the game you seemed pissed by what you saw but it almost sounds like someone may have persuaded you that BYU is just as bad. It's just not the case. There are things that happen at RES that would NEVER occur at LES - period.

[@818MEX]

As a utah fan we need a New AD fo sho and Cam rising better not come back and waste another 2 mil. Lastley please sign with nike.. Happy to be in yals conference tho.

[@uplandwild4136]

Every teams has injuries. Losing your QB is tough. It seems to me that Utah had a 10 year head start and it only took a year of a level playing field for BYU to catch and even pass Utah. BYU has the highest upside and more resources at the time and it appears they will increase that gap. Plus, thats with coach Whittingham. Im curious who will actually take over for him and how long he last. Im also curious of about how many player enter the portal. Should be fun to watch!

[@KevinKevish24]

The holding on the Utah offense was called on the wrong number. Rewatch the play and you will see an obvious hold by the player next to the one they announced.

[@gordonscott8758]

But the one they called was specifically play altering. Jojo was Jake’s first read.

[@TheWhisperTexan]

Wow I was enjoying your podcast and I still really like the Big 12 but trashing Texas's fan base when so many team's fan bases do worse like the schools you are talking about right now. Texas is not usually known for throwing trash on the field but the fans had a lapse in judgment over a really bad call ( go look at the call on KZbin) just like the Utah AD did. UT did apologize for the actions which is more the Utah's AD did.

[@papupancho]

Utah Fans are some of the most entitled fans that I’ve ever met 🤦🏻‍♂️.

[@billyfairbank]

How is Harlan getting a pass for being on the field during the last play? Utah could have scored a touchdown and it wouldn't have counted because he's on the field throwing a tantrum. I realize he's done some good things but he looks like an absolute 🤡

[@frststrykr]

The big 12 is absolutely the best conference to be in. I represents the ABSOLUTE easiest path to the CFP for many teams who wouldn't otherwise have a chance

[@theoptimist9605]

The future of our Utah athletic program is Hopeless‼️ As they both mentioned, we can’t compete with BYU’s NIL resources moving forward. Our NIL collective is collapsing and our donors are fleeing our program. BYU has 5 billionaires, who are passionate fans, living in Utah County. Our future truly does seem hopeless. Anyway, GO UTES‼️

[@Joe-sm9qj]

You not the only one. WVU is surrounded BIG $$. Alth6a nice program we just cannot generate the resources of Penn State Ohio state, etc.

[@Joe-sm9qj]

@@AlexanderWinterborn-r6p what's going on with the latest s .e .x scandal going on at PSU. Seems they just can't stop the peeedo stuff...we can't compete with that kind of tradition.

[@rafter17ranch]

Good work, JT.

[@Stanley-q6t]

Watch Trevor Matich’s take on the holding call yesterday. He said the call saved a touchdown against the Utes

[@mattrollman13]

Just wanted to point out that the refs called the hold on the wrong player on that 3rd and 1. They called 82 blocking Taggart, but the hold was actually on 83 blocking Batty. Watch the replay and there’s no denying that it was holding

[@chrisirish3532]

Hey now- there have been 2 games. Not 4 or more last second wins. Yes BYU looked like they had lost for sure. You’re making it sound like week after week BYU is just getting by with a miracle. BYU fans are thrilled with the results. Completely unexpected. If they lose a game they lose a game. It’s been an amazing season for fans and the team. BYU has been winning the games and not with luck. Fans will enjoy it while it lasts.

[@Fun-kz8iq]

Jt is a reasonable ute. Appreciate his take.

[@emwa3600]

The Big 12 commish should have opened Monday quotes with, "We agree - we're unhappy paying our money to Utahs' athletic department." See what happens THEN.

[@scotthunter2943]

Drake, come to LES for the rivalry next time and see the difference.

[@johngraff2434]

Great clarification from both of you.

[@jkemp6791]

Utah is good enough to be in Conference USA or Sun Belt. Maybe back to the PAC-12. Wherever they go, don’t like the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[@augustusgrim1446]

Stop kissing Ute tail, Drake. Look at the latest videos. The BYU receiver was mugged. Clear holding.

[@twotwentyswift]

Holding AND a facemask.

[@Joe-sm9qj]

Remember, if he gets open, it's a first down. The hold impacted the play. WVU fan here. Great game, but it was not a frivolous call. And I know the Utah fan feeling. I felt gipped a couple times playing ou and ok st.

[@bradeldredge6412]

A hold is a hold. When you say that it shouldn’t be called because it affects the outcome of the game…NOT CALLING the penalty would have affected the outcome of the game for BYU. Ridiculous train of thought.

[@RCHorn7]

As a Texas fan, all I can say I am glad that Utah is bringing attention to the poor officiating that occurring in the Big XII. Poor officiating has been an issue in the conference since 2008 and needs to be addressed.

[@kurtchristensen1454]

The referees in last week's game were former PAC12 referees haha. That's the truly funny part. Truly. That, and maybe Utah should score a point in the second half.

[@RCHorn7]

@@kurtchristensen1454 That crew was fired by the PAC 12 and then picked up by the Big XII for some reason. All I can say to the present Big XII members is beware of the Kevin Mar crew. He's as bad as the Alan Eck crew.

[@RCHorn7]

@@AlexanderWinterborn-r6p I didn't mention OU at all. It appears that the Sooners are struggling greatly in their new league now that holding is called in the SEC. I believe that their struggles are related to the poor officiating in Big Xii since the 2010s. They were great beneficiaries of the poor officiating. BTw. OU stole titles from us in both 2008 and 2018/

[@RCHorn7]

@@AlexanderWinterborn-r6p No right to complain? Penn State consistently whines to this day about '69. The Nittany Lions back then clearly ducked out of the bowl game against Texas to avoid a serious asswhipping. Doesn't stop them from complaining about it though and still think that they should have been National Champs.

[@SXRSkibum]

Pretty crazy that the coach for the BYU cheer team got knocked out and a bad concussion by getting hit by a water bottle from the stands

[@reedbriggs-i1m]

Ref''s are part of the game and calls go both ways. How about the face mask on BYU that gave Utah a first down and a touchdown in the first half? Looked like he grabbed the upper jersey and forearm hit his mask. If that's not called then they don't score and this is a way different scenario.

[@malmypdx895]

Boise State Colorado State Fresno State Oregon State San Diego State Utah Utah State Washington State Makes sense as a solid regional mid-major conference. Reunites Utah with a large number of former peers and conference mates.

[@colestevens25]

Every Utah fan that I know, including myself, is excited to be in the BIG12. ❤️🙌🏼

[@DerekHarper-w9h]

Utah has Never been happy that they have to share the conference with BYU again. big12 being the only option when the pac12 fell apart is the only reason they're in the conference. as soon as Utah gets an invite anywhere, they're outta the big12.