NEVER LOSE TO SKYTOSS AGAIN - Terran School #31

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[@IgaTenzen]

you are a Gift from God to all us plat plebs that keep loosing to this shameless skytoss strat !

[@InservioLetum]

Hey some people wouldn't be unhappy about plat plebeanism. I'm a unranked underling, myself.

[@fren648]

Thank you thermy, now the floating cheese ships won't steal my mmr

[@babthooka]

Wow, this really works! :D Logic is undeniable. I'm just trying not to kick myself in the head for not having reasoned this myself before. All those wasted vikings...

[@mariozunigaliarte7492]

And Thors 😭😭

[@namehere4285]

Dude amazing intro, love being in Terran school

[@DJ-ce8yh]

instruction unclear, i lost to photon cannons

[@chrissoohoo5465]

I just wanna say: I love this guide and I seriously get excited every time my toss opponent is going carriers.. I've gotten pretty decent with this solution

[@InservioLetum]

Imagine if this was where the word tosser came from. A past civilisation that encountered a branch of the Khalai Protoss, and couldn't quite reach the tossers tossing 'toss terror, with their bows & arrows.

[@hiddenleaf5992]

Great video. i really needed to see this after taking a three tear break and then coming back to the game. sky toss has been destroying me lately and this is a great strat to counter it.

[@IamDaffe]

I thought this was going to be a proxy four rax guide

[@uThermal]

Should've been really

[@lovemycutebear]

I recently played a game. The guy literally just started off with cannon and battery defense with two bases. I even went with the all in you taught (2 tanks, 8 marines) and slowly built more tanks. By the time i almost broke the cannon defense, he already had tempests out. And i had to pulled my tanks. From then on, he just accumulated carriers, so pure tempests /carriers, and it almost felt to me it's invincible. I am a diamond 2. my tvt is 80%, tvz is 68%, tvp is 33%......... Really frustrating. And i think one of the biggest frustration I have is, knowing there's no way i can win late games...

[@Paul-iw9cy]

Wow this is extremely helpful. Great Video!

[@manochionidis2750]

Every video you make , just wanna say : I love you

[@Edward-d5f]

Finally my MMR has some semblance of safety :)

[@recuerdameporf]

Por fin un estilo que no requiere hacer 10 cosas en un segundo como Maru para lidiar con esos molestos protos XD

[@Averageguitarists]

Thank you so much I’m tired of skytoss just lost to one last night it was a hour long game of just losing Vikings and Thors 😢 now I know what to do thank you so much!

[@jasonpoehland9074]

Ah I forgot about this series. Glad to catch it. Being that I’m sick now I have something to do

[@Carlosdanielpuerto]

Thanks for the advice Thermy

[@xKernNie]

This video, chefs kiss.

[@easterndragon194]

Great guide as always and love the new intro! Just wondering how you knew in advance that it was going to be actual skytoss, instead of phoenix into standard colossus chargelot archon (which is very common). Was a scan used sometime at 6-8 minutes?

[@uThermal]

Usually the first tell is that they get 4 gases really fast, and then you just pay attention to the phoenix count to see if they're committing to it even harder

[@steadyb23]

Thank you for this, time to practice.

[@Manulorc]

This is amazing - thanks thermy

[@donvitto5123]

Today i am learning how to manage the Colossus with tanks. Thx for that.

[@MyNameIsXYlp]

that´s the good stuff

[@StupendousHillis]

omg where has this video been all my life?

[@scottwilliams1480]

How to never play a TvP again: Open 'Windows Defender Firewall'. Click on 'Advanced Settings'. Right-click 'Outbound Rules' -> Create new rule. For the rule you have just created: -Set the rule type to custom. -Set the program path to your sc2 executable (try setting it to C:\Program Files (x86)\StarCraft II\Versions\\ ). -Set Protocol type to Any -Under scope, add the following REMOTE IP addresses: 103.4.0.0 to 103.4.255.255, 52.67.0.0 to 52.67.255.255, 13.0.0.0 to 13.255.255.255 and 52.180.0.0 to 52.255.255.255 -Set 'Action' to 'Block the connection'. Under 'Inbound Rules', delete all of the SC2 entries (this may not be necessary). Start SC2, but do not click "Allow this program through windows firewall". If you accidentally allow it through, go back to the previous step and delete the entries again. This will block the IP of all protoss players, so the matchmaker will never make you play vs toss again just kidding this doesn't block toss players it just blocks Australians

[@uThermal]

kinda rude but ill take it

[@Herold_sc2]

Very educational

[@Jamesmnl]

Excelente video, muchas gracias.

[@svengranzow9158]

really zexy guide. best regards, porsche_911_turbo_s

[@Manulorc]

I know you've done one private lesson on chargelots, but it would still be good to hear how to deal with them when we scout them in advance (the private lesson was pretty much "you should have scouted earlier, now it's too late and you can only pull the SCVs 😂")

[@graph1c531]

HOLY SHIT IT WORKS! 10/10

[@Dufflot]

A true hero

[@NozUrbina]

Thank you! Can i request an example when the opponent manages to mass Tempests? Or Tempest/Void Rays? Once there are 14 on the mao basically 8 don't see what's possible.They one-shot everything and they snipe my medivacs in two seconds.

[@GhostSc2Wizard]

Thanks a lot U.

[@sebastianvergara8175]

Shit!! i need that tank upgrade ASAP 12:56

[@ladybernkastel5696]

Great vid as always. But what should i do vs storm archon carriers or disruptor carriers? Tanks are still the answer? And the second question, is it possible to play mech vs sky toss? Splitting those marine bois is kinda too much for my ~60apm.

[@uThermal]

Its possible, I did it a few times on stream this week with bcs and mines ^^

[@St4rTr3v1Ut10n]

Poor guy forgot Disruptors exist. If he had a 2-3 of those instead of the Colossus in the beginning you would've been in trouble

[@AntonioLopez-kw3ev]

Disruptors would of been worse for him 😂 you aren’t 7k mmr sit down platinum boy

[@Justin-ny8df]

I like the build. I usually play Toss, but I've always loved Terrans. Just, never applied myself. Excited to see a build that has a lot of tanks. Any chance there's a written out build order?

[@InservioLetum]

What a depressing comment to find no answer on. Particularly given the name of this series :(

[@Kotsya]

OMG! I donated and pray this clip would be uploaded one day! Thank you! But I still have some questions. A big one and a couple of small. What if airtoss is late game transtion? My odinary game against protoss takes 15-20 minutes. we split the map and i can even be ahead at some point. But after taking 4th base i am a defender, he push me with all his gateway robostaff while havenig +1 expand, I deffend with bio vikings/libs and ghosts. At some points toss start changing his army and building carriers with 3-4 stargates. I have a short window when i can kill a base or sometimes even push to die. But most of the time we ended up with splitted map where he has +2 bases, an army with 6-8 carriers, disraptors, archons and storms and dt runbuys all over my fresh location. As i understand my problem is inabillity to prevent protoss from that huge income advantage. I can ok 1 or 2 times, But then he would kill my expensive units and warp 6000 zealots archons and stalkers with + 3. But anyway do marinetanks works as lategame transition from standart bio libs? I have 8 barracks with 7 techlabs. It seems like there is no time for reactors. i just pres marine button? Or i should just stick to standart with 3 starports and just try to play better? I ussualy trade very well. Just too behind at economy. But it always very difficult coz one mistake and i am out after exhausting 20 minutes game. Becaouse there are no tanks to kill splash and i die to disrapturs or there are not enough marines because i keep building ghosts and marauders instead. so carriers overwhelm me. I tried liberators, some times they help. But u never know what is the right amount and one good storm will finish u. Sorry for this wall of text. Love u. Got promoted to master after ur streams and lessons. But still have like 40% tvp winrate coz love to play standart macro.

[@uThermal]

In that case it would be very hard to transition to marine tank, if you really want to force it you could do so by adding mass factories ( I have done so in the past ) but in that case it might make more sense to go for the really difficult viking style

[@Kotsya]

@@uThermal thanks

[@Kotsya]

@@uThermal amazing. I actually start winning against this shit more often, Thank u!

[@efarmer385]

nice man it's so counter intuitive but i beat skytoss with this strategy thanks man

[@thegalbenduck5306]

Twitch Gang poggers

[@uThermal]

ye boi whats good

[@Leo-pr7ly]

I expected to be making 15 libs with +3+3. That explains my losses. lol.

[@Leo-pr7ly]

@M Anderson nah, actually HeroMarine demonstrated it, with 15 +3 ATK Libs you can one shot the Interceptors and win the fight vs mass carrier army's. problem would indeed be HTs, Archons and other random mixed in units. That's why I expected mass libs here.

[@Aionjimme]

Im master zerg but learning terran and was wondering if this was the way to go against skytoss, thanks for sharing :) Any idea what I should do against mass viking, hellbats tanks as terran

[@uThermal]

I have some videos to play against mech, both from bio and mech perspective ^^

[@RenRenification]

Uthermal - Vikings are not good Also uthermal watch me beat grandmasters with just Vikings.

[@SC2Soon]

Is marine Tank also viable against this rotti/goblin style? Amazing guide tho thanks a lot~!

[@uThermal]

yep ^^

[@AngelMalakim]

I would agree with a lot of the folks here that the lower-ladder skytoss i'm worried about is voids / carriers... and I deserve it for not harassing with reapers early or placing widow mines well vs voids... The Skytoss I know is all air. mass marine does usually die since the voids can move away and harass workers.

[@SuperiorAmericanGuy]

I just get massed marines and Vikings due to Thors, liberators and battlecruisers won’t work against a skytoss especially the void rays and phoenixes.

[@jason4906]

What a god

[@johanjof5613]

Unfortunately, things are not googn this way l. In plat diamond, toss will sit back on 3 bases, putting cannons everywhere so that you cant drop. They mass carriers and voidrays, and then when they have a critical mass, they go out and wipe all your marines in 3 seconds.

[@derpyhooves7349]

Thermy, I have got a question You say thors are terrible against carriers, but are you sure? I play against skytoss in 2v2 aaall the time and my teammate is protoss so he has a very hard time countering them so he leave them to me. If I am going bio, I go mass marine thor, and if mech, then just thor hellbat. I swear to god, I absolutely anihilate the carriers every single time, even when there are more of them and they are better upgraded. I agree that they crap vs disruptors and immortals, but why against carriers? Because they are slow and cannot fly? But isn't that a weak argument considering for example marines are not considered weak against phoenixes or mutas just because they can't fly and are much slower than mutas?

[@uThermal]

I always talk from a pro point of view ; making thors against carriers in an actual match is a bad decision. In a vacuum making just thors vs just carriers with no micro or terrain involved might be ok, but in an actual game with more units than just carriers and thors, with terrain and pathing issues thors are just atrocious vs carriers

[@derpyhooves7349]

@@uThermal Thank you for the answer! P.S. I want you to know that I really really really appreciate your creative strategies. A lot. And others obviously as well. So thank you for the games!

[@adfghsfol]

Whats about thors vs Colosses? They can push forward with marines and they are taking damage from disruptors. 1-2 thors when splash damage not be a very bad for this few guys

[@KumarBendrake]

Have Thors been upgraded since you made this? I was under the impression that Thors take out carriers.

[@doltBmB]

doesn't matter since they melt to void rays and skytoss is almost always void/carrier it's the whole reason they are so incredibly OP because void/carrier has no weakness

[@andreyru9221]

Nice, but what am I supposed to do if I play mech and as you're saying thors and vikings suxx... help!!! 😔 So far never managed to beat mass carriers...

[@uThermal]

Battlecruisers are mechs only answer to carriers! You can also try playing mass cyclone and avoiding the army and sniping bases and stuff but its very difficult ^^

[@andreyru9221]

@@uThermal Thanks! Will try BCs if I’m in time switching to them. Cyclones are too hard to manage for my platinum league 😂.

[@jimraynor4383]

I tried this strat and when I pushed my opponent had already maxed up protoss army with cariers and colosus ....

[@alonshani6252]

Wow! Winning WITH TANKS what a gosu gamer

[@uThermal]

truly superhuman

[@danka3996]

Me: Ok, that looks easy. If uthermal says it, it is true of course. 10min later I got totally smashed by a few carriers and one colossus...... I just suck and will never get out of Diamond....

[@uThermal]

Hang in there man you'll get it

[@fluff2027]

I love you

[@minoru1137]

I play teams, but mass liberator raven works well for me.

[@doltBmB]

I'm not seeing the skytoss here, skytoss is carrier/void blob with maybe some temptest, very gas heavy, extra minerals go into cannon walls. This is a few tempest with colossus. Yes tank counter colossus good job not helping at all.

[@Redrum1892]

This stuff still valid ? Skytoss js legut aids in silver its either cannon rush or sky toss

[@snowdrop9810]

9:37 How do thors get destroyed by carriers? Every time i tested it, carriers got destroyed by superior range+dps+ less dps negated by armor

[@uThermal]

Try it in a real game setting and you'll find out ^^

[@ivanmarquez2218]

Yeah but good luck shift a-clicking all the Carriers with only your army/thors while dodging disruptors/colossi/storm. In theory Thors are the counter to Carriers because they're a Massive unit, but in practice it's more complicated than that (oh, and inmortals shred them)

[@snowdrop9810]

@@ivanmarquez2218 you CANNOT dodge ruptors with thors. U drunk m8?

[@snowdrop9810]

@@ivanmarquez2218 and, collossi and storm vs thors LMFAO

[@ivanmarquez2218]

@@snowdrop9810 You won't fight isolated Carriers unless the enemy is extremely lazy. And exactly you can't dodge anything with Thors, they'll just die along with any bio you have besides them. The idea of mass Siege Tanks is to avoid any splash damage from getting close to your main DPS, Marines.

[@Siritos]

I must be missing something - this isn't what I'd call SkyToss...that's voids, carriers, and strorms...that's basically the cancer you see in all the ladder matches under Master. With true ST this composition wouldn't work.

[@uThermal]

Not sure how a bunch of air units is not true skytoss though

[@Siritos]

@@uThermal Sure, you could argue that, but what plagues us mere mortals on the ladder right now is protoss literally going ONLY carriers, voids, and a few storms. It would be awesome if you could try to cover that. As a beginner at Plat 2 it feels like an unethical build. What Masters and Grand Masters do isn't really relevant to, what I can only assume is, 90% of the player base, who'll never get to those ranks.

[@Victor-pu4hs]

I’m protoss D3. My losses when I void ray cheese are to players who start making cyclones with the upgrade and keep them alive

[@uThermal]

@@Siritos My guide is against what you are mentioning, this protoss player just made tempests instead of carriers to deal with my mass tanks

[@Siritos]

@@uThermal I dunno dude, the SkyToss I have seen almost every game with them, and what I hear everyone else complaining about, is not this. True ST has no ground at all except for a few storms. I'm talking 60 probes and 140 supply in carriers and voids. In that scenario tanks do nothing, and would mass marines still deal with mass carriers?

[@diontep]

If marine tank is a best earlygame composition, and is the best endgame composition, why do whe terrans need other units?)

[@uThermal]

Because it sucks against everything else ;D

[@scottwilliams1480]

chargelot printer go brrrr

[@bibbxp]

but if they put also lots of voidrays, your marines will be obliterated. This only works if they have tempest + carriers + collosi, nothing else

[@uThermal]

Voidrays aren't good against marines tho

[@bakets7987]

I don't understand why a certain strat has to be labeled "shameless'. Any strat is fair game except that fucking worker rush at the start of the game

[@junaidashida3475]

Terran is late game bro :v

[@emilbek_isaev]

Are u aLive?

[@uThermal]

Only in spirit

[@Tsnafu]

1 protoss downvote

[@uThermal]

We need it to stay humble

[@jackhansel5036]

my guy, you the man

[@jaidenben5196]

Very happy 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️

[@IIlTheCrowlII]

this game has no sense and fenix colossi is not skytoss

[@uThermal]

Enlighten us senpai

[@funkmaster322]

This was not skytoss. Disappointing.

[@uThermal]

what do u think it was

[@funkmaster322]

@@uThermal Skytoss is when they max out on Carriers, Void Rays, Tempests and a Mothership all with full upgrades. Your Marine/Tank combo would get absolutely trashed.

[@uThermal]

@@funkmaster322 And they can get this before youre maxed on marine tank right?

[@funkmaster322]

@@uThermal I don't know... is that relevant?

[@uThermal]

@@funkmaster322 Yes, unless you want to wait 5 minutes after you're maxed out and give your opponent the time to max out himself on better units