Utterly Disappointed With Stormgate!!

[@TheNeighbor216]

I'm beating a dead horse at this point but the problem I have with the art design is that the demographic for the game is 30yr old men and the art style feels like "my baby's first RTS"

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah I can see that, it does look like a mobile game sometimes

[@sachagoytia9553]

Absolutely , the cutscene with those boxes moving with something resembling a tire did it for me. I'd rather play a 2000's game.

[@torchaf]

if i had no idea what stormgate or sc2 was and i got to play test them both back to back. i would have no idea which one came before the other and if you told me that Stormgate was released 14 years after Sc2 i would be shocked. My problem with Stormgate is that its a sidegrade to a 14year old game that has a map creator. you could basicly make the Stormgate game as a custom map in Sc2

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah stormgate does play a but smoother than sc2 but it's not really a bug deal, sc2 does everything else better

[@bass-dc9175]

Honestly: That is an insult to the many talented modders of SC2. I'd take most custom campaigns in SC2 over Stormgates story ...

[@Habib_Osman]

Then you must be a terrible tester. 1 minute of gameplay in SC2 and Stormgate should immediately tell you: SC2 is a triple A title, Stormgate is a small team indie game.

[@Frozen_Death_Knight]

14:00 There actually is one moment where that happens and it is in Mission 3. If you wait long enough, the Infernal armies will in fact swarm your base with their best flying units and you will then have to rush to the ending or you lose the game. This however is not very noticeable on Normal difficulty, but on Brutal I did actually trigger this event after I methodically took down the enemy bases and waited too long. If you also play Mission 4 The Stand on Brutal you also get a pretty hectic base defense where you basically have to do the side objectives to unlock super powerful mech units to lock down all 3 paths to your base when protecting the drill. Those moments are however few and far between with the current Campaign. The team is however completely reworking the entire Campaign with Chapter 0 & 1 getting a complete overhaul in early 2025. Cutscenes, dialogue, pacing, voice recordings, and mission designs are getting reworked with new cinematic models in the same vein as Amara's new model. We are also getting progression systems for Heroes and armies similar to SC2 with a hub to visit between missions like the Hyperion in Wings of Liberty. There is no guarantee that it will be as good as the StarCraft 2 Campaign, but at least it is reassuring that they are taking their time in improving the quality of the current content before releasing new stuff. The Chapter 0 rework was supposed to be released in October, but got delayed in favour of releasing it alongside Chapter 1 with all previously mentioned improvements. At least it looks like Frost Giant learned their lesson from releasing the story content so early.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah I do have hope for the feature of Stormgate and that is very interesting about the swarm stuff thank you for letting me know

[@SteveMorris-c2r]

The problem with modern RTS is that they have it backwards. They all want to be spectator sports with big pro communities so they build and cater to those people. What developers forget is that a game is made into a sport because its consistent and fun. Starcraft 2 was only half of a good game. The campaigns were great the missions were good, but the multiplayer devolved into hot garbage because of poor design choices. By constantly comparing themselves to starcraft 2 they have created that expectation, but don't have the budget or manpower to deliver. Just because a person worked on a game does not mean they were instrumental in that games success. The game has been in development for four years and still looks like an alpha build. There are lists of indi games that put these pros to shame. The biggest red flag to me was them wanting to make a game like starcraft 2. That heavily implies that there was something wrong with starcraft 2 and their goal was to try and copy it? Sounds sketchy to me. The devs bit off more than they can chew and delivered cheap bootleg starcraft instead of working with in their means and making something original. Storm gate is an example of the sunken cost fallacy. They have to keep plugging away and making content that is subpar because they cant take the time to do it properly or lose the backing of their community due to lack of progress.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah for a small dev team it seems like to many mods and to big ambitions

[@UgandaMagus]

The game is just a worse 100% copy of SC2, it doesn't add anything new to the gameplay

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah it does feel that way sadly

[@sage5296]

I think just to hammer home the point about them biting off more than they can chew with like the SC2 comparisons, IIRC SC2 team had a person who's whole job was just the cutscenes. Their team is 3 people. The sheer resource mismatch is evident in the end product, and it really is just an issue of where they set expectations

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah it really is bad set of expectations for such a small team

[@Romanian901]

I haven't played the game since they launched the campaign in a shoddy state. I paid for ultimate backer and i think I wasted my money, I'll never back anything in my life again

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah I paid for that as well, I hope they can fix it eventually but this is the last time I pre order something

[@FranklinFallasAguilar]

nothing like Starcraft Broodwar

[@TheTechnoJelly]

It is a special game

[@pse2020]

It seems nothing will beat starcraft

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Honestly I agree for me starcraft will never be beat but I was hoping for at least a second place but it didn't even come close

[@MadaraAMVz]

Warcraft 3

[@chubby0815]

In my mind i compare Stormgate to Godsworn and although the 2 have different settings i think there is a clear winner between the two.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

I don't know what godsworn is ill have to look it up

[@chubby0815]

@@TheTechnoJelly Godsworn is also from this year, it's made by a similar small team (afaik) and it revolves around hero mechanics. Classical Base building combined with creep camps to give you an edge. On Paper these two sound very similar but Godsworn is (imho) leagues ahead. Oh and it's also in early access.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Thank you for letting me know

[@chubby0815]

@@TheTechnoJelly You're welcome

[@Insideoutcest]

but starcraft 1 missions are good

[@TheTechnoJelly]

They are good!

[@Insideoutcest]

@@TheTechnoJelly the story was good. i loved the zerg campaign so much ambiance

[@Talentaire]

Really good indeed ! What a campaign !

[@karpai5427]

Warcraft 3 does not introduce units very well except for Spell breakers, Kodo Beasts and Mountain Giants. What do you think Fairy Dragons do? Did you know they exist? It took me awhile to understand what they are for. You only get them for one mission and even then they aren't very usefull. Actually if you can use Mana Flare on Summoner Naga that would be pretty cool but I think Summon ability that they constantly cast don't cost mana. Starcraft 2 on the other hand, you can beat entirely with just the one unit you get on the same mission. Which is also dumb and wrong.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah both games have flaws

[@keksationTV]

this game is not fun to play and not fun to watch

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah maybe one day they can fix it

[@williamlee7829]

it seems protoss not just ruined SC2, it also killed stormgate even before its birth

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Lol

[@Talentaire]

When you watch this footage after the playtest weekend of both ZeroSpace and Immortal: Gates of Pyre, it is even harsher for Stormgate. Both games are far more original, more beautiful, more innovative, more interesting, more fun than Stormgate. Stormgate is a disaster of a fan service done the worst way possible and will remain in History of gaming as one of the biggest disappointment ever in the industry. I think the hate we have for Stormgate comes for the realization that somehow the marketing team thought, yeah let's make whatever, those ass***** will buy it anyway, they love W3 and SC2 so much, it is a given already, they are just stupid, now applause us and buy in advance ! Thank you suckers, sorry loved players I meant.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah it does feel that way

[@AiMGoD93]

When you buy SC2 from TEMU

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Oh no lol

[@VerySeriousUser]

I was so hyped for this game and after a long time of copium I've accepted reality...

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Same

[@sage5296]

I think if the entire campaign is a pushover to infantry spam, the difficulty might need some tuning lol. Really drives home that narrative dissonance - if a basic infantry unit can stomp the demons, why is everywhere else being overrun?

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah it does feel that way the last time I played

[@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll]

Hi

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Hello

[@anonymeforliberty4387]

good points

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Thank you

[@NGMK]

Here's hoping that ZeroSpace will not dissapoint.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah ZeroSpace does seem to be a hopeful contender for a good rts game

[@evelynpeterseil6382]

I have not yet touched Stormgate at all, but I can't help but think 'It looks a bit much like SC2, doesn't it? I think I'll pass.' (I may be wrong, but it didn't do anything to convince me otherwise.) Speaking as purely a campaign player in matters of RTS, I have enjoyed all the ones I played a good bit. Age of Mythology, WC3, Godsworn, SC2 is not my type of setting but its campaign still was a blast, less traditional ones like They are Billions and Cataclysmo. What made each of them interesting and fun to play is how they all were notably different. If Stormgate wants to compare itself to SC2 I don't see why even an 'as good as' would make me want to play it. And it's a bummer it seems to be so far from that.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

If you are a campaign player stormgate has nothing for you right now, maybe in a few years but nothing now

[@apologise2bisons]

1. animations are bad 2.artstyle is generic 3. design of races is uninspired and generic and random (demons...). i dont think they can fix the game (at leas in for my taste)

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Understandable, for me I think they can fix it, hopefully they do

[@EduFirenze]

Microsoft just buried this game since starcraft remastered and 2 are available on gamepass, why play this?

[@TheTechnoJelly]

It is really cool that both starcrsfts are on gamepass now

[@MadMadChad]

IT LOOKS UGLY AS VUKK Simply ew

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah the graphics are a bad point for a lot of people

[@MadMadChad]

@@TheTechnoJelly Not just graphic quality, the artstyle is not up there, the scale of characters are not consistent

[@Ziegfried82]

Stormgate is fatally flawed in terms of the gameplay. It's way too slow paced to not have any hero units. There's no need to even talk about the terrible art style (they are now trying to fix it haha) or the horrible single player campaign or anything else. For RTS gameplay is king and the gameplay in Stormgate? It sucks. It's worse than almost any other RTS that has ever existed. It's worse than Warcraft 2. It's worse than AoE1. It's worse than C&C Red Alert. Certainly nowhere near AoE2, BroodWar, or Warcraft3. There are very few RTS as bad as Stormgate is...I'd have to think a while. Maybe AoE3? Maybe the original Command and Conquer?

[@TheTechnoJelly]

I do think they can fix the gameplay along with the campaign

[@michaelfishman6082]

it looks so terrible.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah a lot of people don't like the look

[@Darlf_Sevil]

that game look like stRCRAFT 2 ALPHA and heat my pc like starcraft 20 ... like sure they fi it but that should be one of first thing to make game not burn peopel pc, im not saying they should fix all problems but just some bigest, im pretty sure that they could make game work 40% by fixing few bigest problem in code.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

It does need a lot of work

[@WhatWillYouFind]

STOMGATE?

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Oh lol I didn't even notice lol thank you

[@Galacsia]

What do u mean "even bw is better"? Of course it is better. It's better than sc2 and wc3 as well.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

I was talking about mostly the campaigns and starcraft 1 and brood wars campaign does show its age compared to starcraft 2 but I do understand where you are coming from

[@sgtduckduck]

absolute trash game. What a disappointment

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Yeah I was disappointed as well

[@pandaprewmaster325]

I think you repeated yourself multiple times in the video please take more care when making a script or even if its without script. I hope this game succeeds cuz if it does the RTS genre as a whole will get more attention we need new blood in the RTS genre there isn't a lot of youth compraed to FPS the old guys sooner or later would get busy would become old etc and the community will shrink slowly. That be a damn shame so if tempest rising , and stormgate succeed it will be very positive for the RTS. I may be exaggerating things a bit I know we humans tend to exaggerate stuff sometimes. One thing I wish modern RTS would do less is try to be less of an Esport and more of a good game , all Esport games have solid gameplay and offer a good all round experience trying to be the next starcraft isn't working these studios must get that. Also their team is made out of 3 people? Nah you are joking man I refuse to believe its just 3 people probably a lot more.

[@TheTechnoJelly]

I do hope is succeeds as well, i have hope for feature updates to improve the game

[@evilme73]

Ofc you don't like Stormgate... it is a terrible game, lol. btw, the title of "Blizzard devs from SC2 and WC3" implies Sex Offenders as much as it implies good devs.

[@chubby0815]

sadly that's reality

[@TheTechnoJelly]

Well the devs working on the game weren't involved with that from what we know and is public