V:tM Iceberg I: Introductory Concepts ft.

[@N1XProductions]

“IM HIM. I’ve BEEN him. I will CONTINUE to BE HIM”

[@seanyb5289]

I'M GEEKIN OFF THIS VITAE

[@bwy553]

VTM basically came around when someone got the idea “hey what if all the vampires from different books, movies, tv shows and folklore all existed in the same world and were simply different breeds of the same species with different powers and weaknesses?” Which was a great idea.

[@TheCountYT]

exactly 🤝🦇

[@Dj.MODÆO]

Yes exactly. The Anne Rice beautiful vamps were used to create the toreador, the lost boys vamps were used to create the bruja, the Brian Lumley necroscope series was the inspiration for the Tzimisce, the film nosferatu inspired the nosferatu obviously, fright night and Buffy vamps inspired gangrel, the Bella Lugosi films inspired the ventrue, vampires kiss inspired the malkavians, the Conan vamps inspired followers of set, etc.,

[@OneLoneMan]

Obviously, you don't know any about Mark Rein-Hagen.

[@fenrirsdaughter9880]

That's how it was structured yeah. It's kind of funny that the origin itself was driving through Gary Indiana and talking about how bad it sucked. I watched the World of Darkness documentary (free on KZbin btw) and the exact quotes were "This place is BAD. Who would live here??" "Vampires, probably."

[@OneLoneMan]

@@fenrirsdaughter9880 Wrong, it was Atlanta, GA. Another johnny come lately.

[@bhaktapeter3501]

I love it when as a malkavian when you first meet Lacroix you hear a baby crying …. Quite the insight to Lacroix’s persona/personality

[@ChrissieBear]

He's a crybaby bitch? xD

[@damaskusseraph6046]

“Introductory concepts” “1 hour 50 minutes” oh boy the warhammer of vampire games

[@TheCountYT]

take notes, everything you see will be on the test

[@rx500android]

That is an oddly accurate description

[@Kryptic245]

Man, this is the best video to learn about the Sabbat that I've found. Well, outside of you know, reading the Sabbat guide.

[@skzombierain7536]

You know something is well put together (be it a movie, a song, etc.), when you want to immediately watch/listen to it again to catch what you may have missed the first time around. Well done.

[@TheCountYT]

hell yah thats what it's all abt, ty 🦇

[@AlvorReal]

Small note. Vitae isn't all blood. Vitae is the concentrated magic super blood inside of vampires, being thicker, incapable of clotting like normal blood, and is stupidly, stupidly mystically powerful. And corrosive in a metaphysical sense.

[@Murmarine]

Currently playing a Malk that only speaks in Dracula Flow verses. Greatest time of my life.

[@khatack]

Sabbat: Distill the absolute worst aspects of both Camarilla and the Anarchs to get rid of all impurities, and then blend them together into one vile concoction.

[@BlueBD]

The Entire VTM and WOD is an attempt to make any future breaches in the Masquerade just appear as hardcore cosplaying. A bold move but a necessary one

[@smuggrog9821]

Good to see you back from torpor and with a reboot of the VtM iceberg. I thought your old iceberg vids were pretty good but being only a few minutes in to the vid, I see the improvement in quality in this new VtM iceberg vid. Also that V5 shade, 100% tho deserved lol.

[@TheCountYT]

thanks man, good to be back among the living

[@LeRodz]

Old WOD is the name of the setting. As far as i know, 5e takes place in that same universe, just in our modern times. Requiem & etc are it's own continuity, so not part of the OWOD.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Yep, though it's led to some confusion that resulted in V5 being called New WoD and that kind of just sticking. Technically CoD could be called NWoD, but that take will generally result in everyone around you acting like the Garou during the War of Rage...

[@Nimving]

This is one of the best WoD lore video that I saw

[@lobo2367]

The Sabbat breakdown was stellar, possibly the best I've seen on YT. I question giving it such a huge spot in the first chapter though. Sabbat surely is lower on the iceberg, across all metrics, and there's enough of other material to fill in the first spot. Still, thank you for this. Great stuff!

[@InquisitorNocturne1]

welcome back vampire wendigoon. hope your torpor was nice.

[@TheCountYT]

good to be back, Inquisitor 🫡 glad to have you here once again

[@youknowpomm]

Super excited to see this continue! Interested in how you'll incorporate Chronicles into the Iceberg.

[@ScrapComputer]

The sheer amount of effort and content you're made here is laudable! Thank you very for much for helping me dive into this topic 🙂

[@pandatacenter6308]

As a French I can confirm: we are all vampires. I'll be celebrating my 341st birthday next month. Do not tell the American Camarilla.

[@TheCountYT]

i fookin knew it.

[@anoNEMOs]

Amazing content. It's fun and easy to listen and at the same time it has a great atmosphere

[@TheCountYT]

appreciate you, very glad to hear it. thx for watching

[@jackcanonach4454]

I'm impressed by the knowledge on the lore, or at least the research. And you have good iceberg content? Excellent. Subscribed.

[@zachattack16]

As someone trying to get into VTM and WoD in general this is really helpful and very straightforward!! Also love all the visuals and everything being on the screen. Do you plan on doing something like this for the other games? Would love to see a werewolf version!

[@TheCountYT]

Appreciate u 🤝 i dont even know if this series will be done in this lifetime (blame my job lol), but im open to other WoD once i csn go fulltime on YT

[@Jetstoanywhere]

So wait, you are telling me that if a vampire fed on a type 1 diabetic that vampire would have diabetes? That makes me giggle

[@TheCountYT]

Short answer: kinda yah. ☝️🤓 answer: Blood turns into Vitae when consumed by a v, but a thinblooded/young vamp regularly using Blush of Life could most likely harbor enough blood to give em diabetes

[@BeachSalad]

This satiates my lust for knowledge regarding this franchise.

[@Hodoss]

Your slander has reached the ears of the République, and they summon you to France. You shall see for yourself that we are not vampires, and that it's all very nice and safe! The flow of tourists must continue...

[@TheCountYT]

...the British made me say it

[@Hodoss]

@@TheCountYT Them again! You shouldn't trust a word they say, they keep posing as vampire hunters, but as we all know vampires don't exist. Surely their insipid, vitamin D deprived blood is making them delirious.

[@khatack]

I really wish they made more interactive stories akin to the Parliament of Knives. I know there are others but they are dramatically inferior.

[@issintf925]

I am amazed this doesnt have more views. Thanks for putting so much work into these videos, I am definitely going to subscribe

[@TheCountYT]

that means a ton, appreciate you and im glad youre enjoying 🫡

[@SlimeScholar]

thanks for doing these

[@zhangdawei3138]

this is actually good! thanks for the long video!

[@kubobetterrelax7435]

I love this video the background music is a little loud but it was so informative

[@TheCountYT]

ty 🙏 i finially got a laptop so going forward there should (ideally) be some better quality control lol

[@dylanwysocki4406]

You’ve single handedly gotten me into this

[@historyelemental7800]

The count lives!!!

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

4:59 bear gangrel spotted, I must prostrate myself

[@AlvorReal]

I think the great problem with VtM and the OWoD in general is that it was (and still seemingly is) written by people who are either lacking a central guiding idea or are afraid of their own story. V5 is so miserably stupid, same with W5, with how much it tries to pretend to be nice that it is self refuting on its face. Vampires are monsters, simple as. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it, am running a game (loosely) based on Kindred: the Embraced right now. But I often find myself rolling my eyes at large parts of the lore changes and sometimes getting deeply frustrated. On the other hand, I often find myself enjoying a lot of the simplifications as it lets new players start pretty quickly and combat flows smoothly (if very, very, punishingly quick). Yet, at the same time, I find that the oversimplification of the disciplines, slow suggested XP rates, and unfortunate tendency for certain picks to just be better (depending on the kind of game you're running) leads to a lot more build convergence. In other words, you get a lot of vamps with similar sheets, no matter how interesting their lore. Doubly so with how limited the Flaws and Merits sections are as White Wolf continues to fail to get things like Resources and minions in general balanced. Never mind Haven dots. More mechanically, none of my players care about Resonance at all - it being essentially wasted space in a pitifully sparse core book - and I deeply, deeply dislike their publishing schedule. IMO, the core book should contain all of the major clans, Tremere, Sabbat, and Anarch, and all of the disciplines. Then each clan can have a clan booklet that goes into detail on them. As is, the corebook itself seems to lack huge amounts of content that really, really should have been in there. It's like if Pathfinder released a core book with only Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, and Ranger!

[@d4arken3ds0ul]

Resonance had so much potential But was so poorly implemented imo Ive only seen it used in the newer video games and even then just for a discount on disciplines I thought gorcing players to have to feed on specific resonances to upgrade their powers (after a point) was quite punishing and stupid, though given the idea made sense. It couldve been way better

[@nightwind67]

I was going to watch this but not knowing who he is though he makes it out that he's someone of note AND I have no idea what an "Iceberg" is, I pass.

[@TheCountYT]

ok nightwind67

[@KCville6324]

so far I havent heard a single player of VTM or any other whitewolf line from before V5 that likes V5

[@TheCountYT]

i mean its got uh. One or two things i like, i guess. (:

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

​@TheCountYT the feeding and hunger mechanics are mostly okay... And a few of the banes are better *casually retcons the Hecata and Old Clan Tzimisce to give them back their historic banes while letting the flesh sculptors and Assamites keep their new ones* Seems like it'd be a great set of mechanics and ideas to pull from for homebrewing the perfect system.

[@christophermurphree2315]

It feels like two steps forward and three steps back. Gameplay wise, I think there was some useful streamlining. Also happy with the emphasis on low-level play. Boosting the number of vampires in the world was also a good one. The plagiarism of images, lack of tact when introducing social justice concepts, and watering down of the darker and more unique aspects of the world is something I frown upon.

[@SnowmanInHell]

Call me weird but as someone who started playing in the mid 90s I really like what I’ve seen of the V5 system, especially Hunter. Haven’t played it yet, so maybe it’ll drastically change when I do, but mechanically I like what I’ve seen.

[@kenon6968]

Leveling scales better in v5

[@trpdrspider8372]

Rember it all started with the words 'who would live here?'

[@0PsychosisMedia0]

In the 90s you did skip one vital book. Minds Eye Theater: Laws of the Night. This was a small book rules for the live action play of the game. Also known as LARP. Important book at the time and at one point very hard to obtain as it was sold out everywhere. A few other vampire movies that directly influenced the game was Near Dark, the 70s Nosferatu with Kause Kinski, Fright Night 2 and Vamp.

[@TwighlightAngelRose]

Let’s be honest, the Sabbat are the Hillbillies of the vampire world 😂 and the Cam are the city goers that have to clean up their shenanigans.

[@TheCountYT]

what does that make the Anarchs? Californian?

[@Zorobak]

Floridian

[@ikariyabiollante867]

​@@TheCountYT canonically yes exactly

[@pitchsaquet5964]

Just want to let you know this is a great work ! Thanks, all the primogen does approve !

[@TheCountYT]

thanks boss 🙏

[@shinemoon4673]

@1:09:35 the term consanguineous never left. It's the medical way to call someone inbred.

[@misheym9193]

Sooo good!!

[@TheCountYT]

thank you 🙏

[@TheCountYT]

The loud asf intro music should be fixed soon, bad mixing my b lol

[@tomigoblin5104]

Someone should make a Sleepy Jack iceberg, because Im confused XD. Welcome among the undead once again ;p

[@TheCountYT]

Sleepy Jack isn't real, just don't think abt it

[@Hanayuni]

The Sabbat are so fucking insane lmao Now I wanna play as a member of their unhinged sect 😔 Thank you for making this video and for using official VtM art. I really like the style of these drawings and pictures.

[@TheCountYT]

...wanna go flaming-car jousting later?

[@Hanayuni]

@@TheCountYT Hell yeah! Sounds fun! 🤙

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Anyone wanna come dogtagging in Australia? Saw a bunch of Red Talons trashing the local water reservoir and I reckon they'll make for some nice marks...

[@laxelford3533]

Aw shit here we go again

[@d4arken3ds0ul]

3:40 you are close. In truth v5 is technnically white wolf’s third vampire game I say this cause it is so different to the previous editions its pretty much its own game in the same universe lol

[@horsebakk]

Most Anarch primer ever

[@tylerh2548]

Camarilla - La Cosa Nostra Sabbat - Vampire IRA Anarchs - all the rest of vampire society; Sons of Anarchy & Mayans & 1-9'ers etc. Thin-Bloods - outcast untouchables, edgewalkers, and underdogs

[@Ratzy-h8q]

Go straight to top my dude 0/

[@sunsinger970]

But what if a human fully consumed a Methuselah could the methusalize form within a mortal?

[@AriusXII]

Cool video! In the timecodes section, fix " 01:21:08 Hnad(S) "

[@TheCountYT]

ah good catch, thx 🤝🤝

[@honkeykong4049]

I just found out there was a show called "Kindred the Embraced" based on VTM. I'm just saying, do with that info what yall will.

[@honkeykong4049]

If anyone ever finds this comment and wonders - the show actually isn't bad. I liked it anyways.

[@benjacksonwithnonumbers]

Very good vid

[@OddNumber1524]

"20th anniversary edition came out in 2011" me: it came out when?! *turns to dust on the spot*

[@OddNumber1524]

also a slight correction: the old world of darkness is anything pre and post chronicles of darkness; the chronicles of darkness were originally published as a new rebooted World of darkness and are the nWoD

[@Deathbytroll]

Sword of Caine for unlife

[@TheCountYT]

Ave Caine gang 🤝

[@DarthScythis13]

Anyone know the art at 1:07:07? For research purposes

[@TheCountYT]

The discord channel has all the art used in my vids, under the Official Art section. link in the desc 😈

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

V5 isn’t the mature version of OWOD. It’s more like kids dressing up in their parents’ clothes. Some of the rules, like the hunger mechanics, are arguably better, but it’s trying too hard to be sophisticated and less “edgy” in its meta narrative. In reality it’s just tamer, not more mature.

[@aaronblank2318]

I agree with you 10,000%. I also feel like V5 is designed for a very small scale, "intimate" sort of game. To me it seems like a BIG chunk of play time would be devoted to feeding, which is great for newer groups, but it might come across as boring to veteran players.

[@OneLoneMan]

Spot on.

[@ThisisnotTwitter]

As a player and ST Who started during revised edition, I have to disagree depending on your meaning. V5 is more mature in the sense it helps push the core characteristics of story, which is what the game is about. It pushes mastering the basics of smaller scale and more relatable aspects of WOD that story is much easier to manage within generally, especially for newer players which is what it has done a great job of bringing in. Aswell as improving rules like hunger. Previous editions made it much more easy for players and ST's alike to get lost in the fantasy and/or plot while their games story was less understood. In V5, groups that are ready for larger scale (stakes! Hehe, nudge nudge) games, or games that deal with darker subject matter, will not have an issue making the game work for their story using the 1st and golden rule of WOD since the beginning. Make it your own. If a group lacks the creativity and awareness to use that rule in this instance, then there is a good chance they lack the maturity and awareness to handle playing Sabbat or elders well.

[@OneLoneMan]

@@ThisisnotTwitter You can tell what kind of player you are and that you kick out people who don't agree with you are are OG of WoD. The WoD 5th is shallow, weak, and more worried about feeling then gothic horror. Anyone who uses the word "mature" to describe a TTRPG. Is intentionally using it as a way to insult the game and gamers who played it. People like you are the reason WoD 5th edition is such a shit show. It could be a great game.

[@Slasha00]

You're just reading the White Wolf wiki verbatim....

[@fiel81]

Yuh

[@dravenocklost4253]

13:17 how do get a vampire skull, i thought they dissolved into dust upon final death

[@TheCountYT]

Generally speaking a vampire's death results in it's body aging to its true Chronological age, Hence ancient vampires poofing into dust upon final death while younger vampires turn into rotten/preserved corpses. Though, sunlight/diablerie almosy always results in dust

[@ChrissieBear]

How do diseases survive inside vampires with no living cells to reproduce with?

[@TheCountYT]

The "Blush of Life" allows vampires to temporarily 'regain' their biological autonomy, which brings back their pulse, organ function, allows them to breath and blink, etc.. Not all vampires use it to great (or even good) effect, but those who regularly train and maintain the BoL, well you could imagine the benefits lol

[@CSharpRenan]

Not all microbes need living cells to parasitize in order to live. A lot of bacteria that cause diseases in humans can live quite well on a metal surface or the bottom of the ocean, they just find the inside of some parts of the human body a nice place to hang. Incidently the human body provides then food so sometimes they destroy stuff that you really need, or the bacteria excrete something which is poisonous to us. As for viruses: the stomach of a vampire pulses at all times with fresh blood. If a vampire feeds on two different people within a few hours or days, the vampire might pass on a disease from one person to another. Also, some viruses are able to crystallize themselves (yes, this is crazy!) and thus exist without a host for millennia until it finds itself inside a proper host again.

[@craigstege6376]

V5 isn't all bad. I like how it stream lined a lot of dice rolling, the actual game plays really nice. A lot of people freak out about the "wokeness" but I mean, that was always there - the Brujah were always progressive to the point of crige, same with the Black Furies WtA side. And yeah the disclaimer at the start of the book is preachy, but once you cut through that chaff the actual meat and potatoes is more of the same with a smoother delivery. I've always just ignored and not bothered with the chaff I don't care about in these, and frankly all, games. Modern political zeitgeist matters far less to me in games than the timeless aspects of it - and should for anyone running any game. You take what you need and leave what you don't. The setting itself now is pretty interesting in its twist on things as well - no longer are vampires in conspiratorial control of EVERYTHING - its clear there are other players in the game. This becomes even more obvious when you grab Hunter: The Reckoning, the Hunters are very rightfully suspicious of most hunter organizations - ostensibly their goals align but the larger organizations true motives are just as worthy of suspicion and mistrust as the monsters they hunt, indeed even more so in some cases. The setting is certainly more mature in that nothing is really monolithic anymore - everyone is an island and their best method of survival is organizing into some form of archipelago nation state conglomerate. It's certainly a lot more interesting and flexible for Story Telling. As for Vampire the Requiem and the Chronicles of Darkness - Legitimately GREAT settings and games. Their only issue is that they were released by the same studio. If another company made the Chronicles of Darkness games and was like the Pepsi to World of Darkness's coke it would probably have accrued a much larger following. It legitimately does a lot of things much better from a horror perspective - the idea of Elders being fully powered but increasingly senile/dementia suffering monsters over time is horrific, both for the individual elder and anyone who has the terrifying experience of walking on eggshells around them as they find their bearings.

[@shogert2370]

So... Is it your new channel or what?

[@TheCountYT]

consider it a rebrand 🤝 the other channel/series was a mess

[@LordJorMagi]

Dude i can't find your Spotify playlist ( as seen in 7:58 ). I'll love to hear those!

[@TheCountYT]

LOL i just made that as a joke, i gotchu vam

[@TheCountYT]

open.spotify.com/playlist/3VVwYp7IlsbSKu0ev44fU0?si=647b4309df0e47af

[@moderncrusader5128]

Will you ever do an iceberg on Mage the Ascension or is that too niche?

[@grumpyoldnord]

Man, gotta say, I can tell you've only played tabletop with small, inexperienced groups. If you want to learn more about the setting - especially how certain words are pronounced - get into a good-sized LARP group that's been around awhile. It's also obvious you like the idea of the Sabbat - there's a lot of people out there who've been playing since the '90s who fucking *LOVE* playing Sabbat. I bet you can find some good people to talk to.

[@TheCountYT]

am i not turtley enough for the turtle club

[@grumpyoldnord]

@@TheCountYT LOL! I realize that may have come across much more denigrating than I intended, and I apologize. Just some of your pronunciations took me back to when I first started playing back when I was 15 - and I'm 42 now. 🤣 It was a very good video.

[@Gamerkat10]

15:45 Oh god, it's freudian..

[@brianhuelsbeck3566]

Do you know of the dinner theater version of the game?

[@phillipstephens4522]

Lettuce begin??

[@winter_ghosth]

Good vídeo ! But consider putting time stamps

[@TheCountYT]

thanks! youre grounded for 2 weeks for not checking the description

[@winter_ghosth]

@@TheCountYT I saw it but including them in the video is better for those watching on the phone

[@winter_ghosth]

like me

[@TheCountYT]

ah gotcha, so those timestamps are added automatically by YT from the description, there's just a lot so it'll take YT a while lol

[@jonnaelmore7604]

May I post your videos on my Pinterest board?

[@TheCountYT]

go crazy 🫡

[@jonnaelmore7604]

Thank you!😊❤

[@GrenadeMcSticki]

Thumbs up for the Type O Negative shoutout!

[@BlueBedouin]

It's so sad VTM doesn't have a modern gen open world game, and no VTMB 2 will 100% suck..

[@lossietesamurai]

Great video

[@TheCrusaderKing]

I subbed at "non freedom speaking" audience.

[@scooterdooter]

Why no thin bloods?

[@theschisack]

Here me out just because the company releases a new edition doesn't mean we have to play it

[@TheCountYT]

real and true 🤝

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

Roll20 seems to only have a view V5 games on there, where would you even go online to play an older WoD game?

[@TheMetroidex]

I love how you say "Antitribiu"

[@foller2electricboogaloo575]

Tribute Comment.

[@pbpixil417]

comment tribute

[@TheCountYT]

lord commander 🙏

[@angelarroyo8729]

25:20 The Illuminati and New World Order, I don't see any reality deiviants here ;)

[@TheCountYT]

🤫

[@branhun]

I really like this video, but I disagree with your assessment. The Old World of Darkness DEFINITELY had aspects of intrigue, conspiracy, personal horror, etc. I would rather define the new edition as less edgy, more politically correct, more sentimental and "artsy" with awful lore changes. I don't like it either, but it definitely didn't bring the idea of intrigue into VtM - and intrigue and conspiracy in VtM are definitely not bad aspects.

[@TheCountYT]

tru, who knows why i scripted it that way lol. regardless of what i say people will still come to the conclusion that most of current/new wod still (mostly) sucks

[@branhun]

@@TheCountYT It's all good :D Yeah, it definitely sucks, like the most horrible Kiss. And this is coming from a guy who was first introduced to Bloodlines, then V5, and only recently V20/V4.

[@UmrAl-Tawil4422]

you missed Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption its 100% better then bloodlines

[@TheCountYT]

shit VtM-R will probably get its own vid 🤣

[@UmrAl-Tawil4422]

@@TheCountYT hehe well a certain goth Cappadocian from that game is still alive in modern nights and is in the v5 Hecate book so she is fully cannon now lol

[@SlimeScholar]

v5 is terrrible you don't have to even jest about it.. it just plain is horrid.

[@khatack]

Damn those random chuckles sound ridiculous. You should try to keep them in check in the future.

[@KimchiYeo]

You talk bad about the Sabbat ,youound like a camarilla pleb ssying such nonsense Sabbat is not a cult, thosewho donotbelieve always call us crazy but what you really say isyou fear us exposing thetruth to theworld wich in turn takles away your power Caine was real and there is evidence he isstill alive, that would make him automatically the strongest vampire,clearly thecamarilla suits would notlike that

[@themanwiththepan]

Most people describe the sabbat from such a biased cammie pov it's frankly sad

[@CarsExtendedWarranty-k3z]

hello, we've been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty

[@kittkott4253]

Do wish you stuck closer to the topic at hand instead of breaking the pace with attempts at humorous remarks

[@TheCountYT]

gotta learn how to be funny one way or another ;)

[@ScrapComputer]

The jokes are great at breaking things up mate 🙂

[@KimchiYeo]

Let's be real v5 is what disneys bastard version of star wars is: awful and should never have happened imean that dumb book starts out with pandering towoke people by aying we are sorry for what previous versions have said and done blablabla... not a single vtm fan i know play s v5, only tourists play v5

[@icze88]

like 20 downright wrong things 16 min in. downvote.