Vacation rental law vetoed

[@Nutty2087]

The grandkids coming over once or twice a year aren’t throwing crazy parties disturbing everyone.

[@FaithwalkerTodd]

Disturbing the peace is a crime for which you call the cops. This law they’re talking about has nothing to do with disturbing the peace. It’s talking about how many breathing human beings can occupy a structure.

[@garylefevers]

Who says everyone on vacation is out to party? Back when we could afford vacations it was a nice family thing and not like a Girls Gone Wild video.

[@Nutty2087]

@@garylefevers the problem these people are having obviously isn’t with quiet neighbors or quiet visitors. It’s clear it’s becoming a problem with loud party goers.

[@garylefevers]

@Nutt... Absolutely right. My point is that most of the comments I have read on this topic equates every vacationer as a college student on spring break. I do sympathize with those who have been bothered by ill mannered people. When I was a teenager we had permanent neighbors who moved in across the road from us who partied till dawn not just on weekends. We lived in the county so unfortunately we had to learn to live with it.

[@TPOOK01]

Or smoking pot outside in their tiny, tight bathing suit, belly hanging-gross-man, while little children play across the backyard.

[@annodnosinut3485]

Too bad the owners of Air BnBs do not live next door to their properties.

[@LD-id3vy]

💯 Every time there’s a disturbance call the police they’ll eventually get served

[@GreatThemeParkAdventures]

It should be mandatory for them to live next to their rentals. In the Central FL area it is owned mostly by people who do not even live in this country so they don’t care.

[@danieldosanjos8126]

I do live right bellow my airbnb

[@JohnDough-yr2zt]

Key phrase “owners, their properties”.

[@stevegabbert9626]

Some do, some don't. I'd prefer to stay at places where the owners do live there, and I check to see what the parking situations are.

[@irwinsaltzman979]

In Spain they are beginning to limit house rental properties because. 1 housing costs have risen dramatically,2. Local people have been removed from the area.3. Noise and overcrowding of residential areas.

[@kateackerman4003]

Gee, sounds familiar! Exact thing going on here, minus the the limits.

[@ISpitHotFiyaa]

They just need to outright ban this stuff. Set a minimum rental duration of one month. If you need less then stay in a hotel. Don't try to police how many people are staying in a bedroom or whatever other minutia. We all know what the problem is. Take it on directly. These houses are not hotels and the neighborhoods they're in were never planned to have hotels. And unless you're someone who believes in no zoning at all then you should have no problem with banning the conversion of single family homes into hotels.

[@rcg9573]

The problem is there are large forces in play that impact the legislatures NOT to pass laws banning that stuff. Billion dollar corps, hedge funds, REITs and wealthy individuals are making a killing off turning the US into a glorified mass SF home rent investment. Those entities and individuals have been buying up millions of SF homes all across the US to rent out for the cash flows and that activity is the single biggest cause of exploding home prices the past 15 years in the US. It's always about money and corrupt politicians catering to their wealthiest donors. You end up with what you vote for.

[@williamoxendine6121]

The way people are now I don’t blame the home owners about the only ones that could afford to rent those homes are drugs dealers which brings in trash with the trash

[@mbarrowclough]

Drug dealers? Ha! You are taking words from John Pfanstiehl, the guy people call King John to be honest and not absolute hyperbole?

[@nachomom-fk2bi]

That's exactly what is happening to my Florida neighborhood! Havenbrook rents their properties out to drug dealers and destroys good neighborhoods. BTW we never had any problems for over 40 years until a property management company bought a house to rent out to people who don't give a rat's rear end about our neighborhood.

[@mbarrowclough]

​@@nachomom-fk2bi how many times have you called the sheriff Karen?

[@mbarrowclough]

Are you sympathizing with a retired man who lives at the beach and is headstrong on ensuring you never get to visit? Keep on the path.

[@LP-ct9nk]

Drug dealers are not in the business of renting out homes smh. It’s corporations and you’re average “real estate is my investment strategy” older millennial/boomer who have decided they wanna make “passive” income

[@dodgeguyz]

Those vacation rental properties have destroyed towns all over the US! I wish they would make them illegal all the way around!

[@suzanneshwaluk4856]

How is having grandkids bunk together at Christmas (and not charging them...). the same as bunking a continuous stream adults who are paying to stay?

[@ChildMolester-f2c]

Little ronnie desantis is the sorriest excuse for a governor I've ever seen.

[@tonysangiovanni5396]

Find the owners and deal with THEM!

[@richardszablewski1420]

Ron vetoed the bill because he needs revenue for the state of Florida. Because he spent all the federal money to bus and fly immigrants up to the northern states. This is according to one close to Governor Ron. He also cooks his books, meaning he has two sets of financial records.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

If that were true then he would have signed the bill allowing the state to control short term rentals, by vetoing the bill it puts it in the hands of local government where the local citizens at least have a chance of fighting against these short term rentals. You may now pull both of your feet out of your mouth.

[@your_royal_highness]

I’m a short term (1-3 months) peaceful renter. I would have bought a house to use, not rent in Florida a few years ago, but I did not quite have the means. I think I dodged a bullet.

[@jamesjones7770]

If those rentals were in DeSantis's neighborhood I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut he wouldn't have vetoed it.

[@randomthings9555]

You have no idea what you're talking about, he would veto the bill because that would give him and the local people the control over who can be in their neighborhood, you really don't understand the issue at all, you just wanted to make a dig at Governor DeSantis

[@exoressdelivers70]

The bill would have taken short term rental control from local cities and giving total control to the state. So no city could have passed any regulations regarding short term rentals. Perhaps he does have short-term rentals in his community that he's aggravated with and knew if the state with its bloated bureaucracy controlled them, it would be tantamount to no control at all. That's why he vetoed the bill.

[@WillaWatch]

Glad he vetoed it less government in our business. Keep it local.

[@rodyep3136]

Watching garbage like this makes me dislike the rich even more.

[@mbarrowclough]

The guy walking down the street telling you that you aren't allowed to visit his exclusive neighborhood or me, the guy who is working 80hrs a week to ensure you can visit the beach and stay in a nice place at a great price?

[@mbarrowclough]

@user-li2yv5je5e It's always been about privatizing the beaches and keeping families away so they can keep their little paradise from changing. If it's not abolishing rentals, it's make resident-only parking at the beach or marking all neighborhood streets as no parking. Very sick individuals who delight knowing they can have more than the other guy.

[@caspiana3623]

That's because you were born into freedom and haven't tasted the fruits of total control. Read up on revolution, socialism, equality, and such.

[@qdllc]

It should really be the decision of the local governments…not the state. Give local government freedom to do what suits their people best.

[@tamstutz921]

The point of the story is being missed. Gov. DeSantis vetoed a bill that would have kept local districts from having more restrictive laws regarding temporary rentals. If you have complaints, go to your local government and lobby for more restrictions. The veto gave owner/occupants more power to address grievances.

[@altonT]

There's a difference between a limited occupancy rental and grandkids visiting. I don't think Grandma is charging her grandkids to sleep over.

[@alfredcatter9836]

The short time rentals can be regulated in the contract limiting parties until 10pm.

[@charliewilliams2735]

I’m confused why would they take their authority and power and give it to Rhonda Santis? This is not a state question this is a local government issue and why can’t the local government address it? I hate desantis but this one I would have to say needed to go back to the local government to have them deal with what they cannot deal with or don’t wanna deal with.

[@bubbercakes528]

Landlords are an evil group of people! If there were no landlords, the price of homes would go down!

[@johnhonker437]

Local governments are better able to deal with local problems. Engage with your local governments if you want changes.

[@gambitsfox4216]

There is no comparison to renters and grandkids! Grandkids are family! They can come stay with you or live with you....I mean YOUR renting the home.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

here is the thing, for you to be a one you have to have a business license, renting out the property makes it a commercial business, residential areas are not allowed to have commercial businesses in them, ALL commercial businesses have to be located in commercial or commercial/residential zones (the commercial/residential being hard to get zoned then commercial), here businesses cant even put up adverts in residential and thats most of central fl... as for the issues they rentals cause by the rentees, its simple, if they are running their home as a weekly rental increase their property taxes to cover the expense of repairing the area of the damage caused by their renters, or potential renters and make them cover, just like we should be doing to subdivisions and condos/apt buildings as for how many per room, thats regulated by the state already, children can share a room, but no more then 3 to a room, boys and gurls are not allowed to share rooms thats child abuse, even for rentals, its called habitable dwellings. many buildings get condemned cause no one should be living in them, and the amount of people also falls into the fire code's max occupancy laws, like any business only so many people can be in a structure legally before it becomes a health and safety issue... here is a code for the slumlords who think they can do what they want... its already a crime, just report them ffs... "In Florida, a landlord’s obligation for providing a habitable living space is primarily governed by Fl. Stat. § 83.51. This legal requirement, commonly known as the “implied warranty of habitability”, also outlines the rights of tenants when repairs are not made in a timely manner."

[@FoxItAll]

DeSantis cares more about money than citizens. The VR scene in Pinellas county is ridiculous.

[@Emeritus75]

It may be advisable to reconsider purchasing an overvalued property for the purpose of short-term rentals. The actions of these landlords, driven by greed, exacerbate the housing crisis by hindering homeownership opportunities and perpetuating a cycle of perpetual renting. It is crucial to recognize that these individuals contribute to the problem rather than being victims.

[@mbarrowclough]

So purchasing a home on a barrier island with a long standing history of providing vacation goers a wonderful beach to sunbathe is creating a housing crisis?

[@Emeritus75]

@@mbarrowclough yes

[@mbarrowclough]

@@Emeritus75 you clearly have no understanding of the housing market. Might want to is this one out.

[@Emeritus75]

@@mbarrowclough says the moron

[@user-zy4cq6vo3q]

STRs pack in way more people than septic tanks can withstand. Why have a septic permit system if they can add way more guests than the conventional 2 people per bedroom design limits that have been used for decades? STRs are damaging groundwater and surface water.

[@jameshurley224]

After all nothing encourages tourism like no place to stay.... perhaps better monitoring of the rental property and vetting your clients would be a good idea..

[@geoffreylee5199]

Rhonda has nice elevator shoes.

[@lat1502]

Former security guard who use to work the Isla Del Sol area. By far, the biggest problems I encountered were with short term rentals. Late night partying, loud music, sneaking into locked pool/spa areas, public drunkedness, confrontational guests. 99% of the time, it was a first time, short time renter. It caused a lot of problems for the people who lived full time on the property.

[@stevenpike7857]

Agreed - That's what this is about, it's about living next door to a property that has transient guests and the problems that creates for people living in a residential area.

[@kathleenspence4891]

I had my car damaged by a pack of short term renters-- too lazy to take the sidewalk when they moved their crap out-- they dragged their cooler/luggage in between my car and theirs. They left a big scrape along my entire driver's side door. And just left. Mr Property Owner-- I believe my right were violated. How would like it if some trash did that that to the fancy car you drive?? I'm sure you'd just smile and say, "well they have rights too." Sure you would

[@buckiemohawk3643]

@@stevenpike7857 Lived in a place with friends that was a rented house, the next door unit was a short term rental. We had to have discussions with people about egregious behavior the like i have never seen. One story was the people deciding to sun bathe naked in the backyard screened in pool area. Who didnt understand people could see thru the screen. Then it was the people lighting off fireworks all night long.

[@BacktotheATL]

We moved away from our coastal home last year thanks to short term rentals. Horrible for the neighborhood.

[@indianoutlaw5702]

Here's a clever idea. Enforce existing laws instead of creating new ones. I suspect this is more about limiting minority access and less about safety. Unless you believe both are the same, but that would be...

[@philoctetes_wordsworth]

I disagree, with his example. A private residence should have different laws from a rental property.

[@mbarrowclough]

What specifically about my example do you disagree? And why?

[@DELLRS2012]

He made a false equivalency. Commercial properties (like a short term rental) is fundamentally different from a residential property and fall under different regs. It is ludicrous to call it discrimination and compare your business to someone having relatives over

[@mbarrowclough]

​@@DELLRS2012 Do you even know what false equivalency is? My properties are single-family homes. No realtor, title company or county recorder is going to agree they are "like" commercial properties. If you spent a little time reading the ordinances you might actually see that there is nothing in these ordinances that would make a home being rented more or less safe than another other home. A key piece in SB280 was that any ordinance created had to be uniformly applied. That means that if a storage box outside the house is not permitted for rental homes then it's not to be permitted for full-time resident homes. Why a simple thing like a storage box? Because your friendly local Indian Rocks Beach govt has banned pool side boxes for rental homes in Indian Rocks Beach. Now tell me more about my false equivalency.

[@feloniousjones8834]

the main difference is grandma will only do that once or twice a year... as a business they would be cramming more into the place year round, which greatly increases the chance of issues and possible danger

[@nachomom-fk2bi]

@@mbarrowclough Can you make your renters CARE about the neighborhood? Can you make them be quiet at night just like the homeowners who are paying mortgage and taxes on their own property? Can you make them CARE about the quality of living in the neighborhood the same as the residents who have paid off their mortgage in full satisfaction of mortgage. Can you make your tenants stop selling drugs and bringing all sorts of bad element to the neighborhood? No you can't and you won't as long as they pay you the money.

[@stevenpike7857]

A residential neighborhood - not hotels. There's a reason people don't like living next to hotels and motels - random transient guests. There's a huge difference with a home owner having friends and family over and a house that is turned into an Inn catering to random transient people. Grandma isn't running a motel - he is.

[@AmandaClawsPawsPetSitter]

Her grandchildren won't throw parties until 4am and aren't paying to stay at Grandma's. What a dumb analogy!!

[@patrickm6012]

The law is about occupancy not about throwing parties. That would be under noise or other local ordinance. The analogy was correct if you are discriminating over an occupancy law. There should be no exceptions.

[@garylefevers]

Obviously you do not have neighbors like I used to, these families played loud music all night, even had a shooting or two. We lived out in the county and just had to learn to unfortunately live with it. After awhile the bad elements wound up dead or in prison. I'm not saying that is good or bad either way. Just that it happened.

[@dizzlebizzle8424]

anyone else notice that posts by people with "user" as the first word all get highly rated posts that make it towards the top of the comments, but when you read them they sound like an AI who made up bullshit? The analogy is that one person is treated differently than another for reasons that don't make any sense. They are being discriminated against. That's what the analogy shows. That's what makes you dumb for pretending to or actually not getting.

[@alfonsecoppola5938]

just plain dumb analogy,he wouldnt want to live next door to some of his rentals

[@danf1862]

He’s just a greedy troll trying to get the rules changed for himself.

[@cjlaity1]

Comparing your party guests to someone's grandkids. Give me a break.

[@mbarrowclough]

Party? Why do you assume every vacation home rental is a party?

[@stevenpike7857]

Indeed - there's a difference between random, transient guests and visiting family. He knows that - he has a financial interest and thought he could run a hotel outside regulations.

[@mbarrowclough]

​@@stevenpike7857 outside of regulations. Are you this narrow minded. Keep driving. Your clearly not at the capacity to understand the rules and requirements set forth.

[@user-ll4lf5go1m]

@@mbarrowclough Obviously the regulations are not being followed or why would people be so mad?

[@patrickm6012]

Occupancy laws should not discriminate regardless of the circumstance, that is the point.

[@mychellevanschaick4321]

her grand kids aren't bringing 200 of their closest friends with them either....

[@mbarrowclough]

200?! Do you realize the utter lack of coherence in that question?

[@mychellevanschaick4321]

@@mbarrowclough apparently you haven't had a house take over next to your property... not understanding the concept and all... oh and btw it wasn't a question more like a comment

[@mbarrowclough]

@@mychellevanschaick4321 apparently you sensationalize the numbers but who is counting

[@mychellevanschaick4321]

@@mbarrowclough that right there lets me know that you haven't heard about house party take overs...where some parties there's more than a few hundred and others is less than a couple hundred...

[@mbarrowclough]

@@mychellevanschaick4321 and what happened as a result of this house party? Were the police called?

[@KING-FU]

(Also FL). Two neighbors down, the Owner lives there and does AB&B with her other two bedrooms. One big problem, she makes the renters park in the street, which is against the County Ordinances for Platted Subdivisions and BC of it, the USPS can’t access her, or her next door neighbors mailbox from the postal truck, same with garbage pick-up. I politely mentioned that her continual guests were creating problems and she immediately “went off” telling me it’s none of my F-ing Business. 😮, I said ok, Thanks. I can’t relate to / nor have much compassion for inconsiderate, mouthy A-holes, so I reported it to Code Enforcement. Problem Solved in less than a week.

[@randybuyers]

What human would complain about a grandmother having children over for Christmas?

[@donaldcarey114]

Like ChickenMan, Karens are EVERYWHERE.

[@rdbchase]

Another completely irrelevant remark.

[@jimeagle5483]

A D-bag.

[@micheleamisonfellezs293]

The kind that wants to make a buck at The expense of others safety

[@donaldcarey114]

@@rdbchase How to tell the world you are $t00p!d.

[@TheJunkymagi]

2:00 equating number of renters in one room and a grandma putting multiple kids in a single bedroom is disingenuous at best... grandma is not charging RENT from those kids...

[@mbarrowclough]

Is that safer that more than 2 kids might be in a bedroom in grandma's house than in my rental house? Because this is about safety remember.

[@lazygardens]

And grandma is RIGHT THERE keeping the kids in line.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@lazygardens Why do you assume every person who rents a vacation home is a rowdy criminal? If your belief had just a sliver of reality, Indian Rocks Beach would have a police substation for bookings and holdings. Your reality is simply not true and to continue your belief with evidence to the contrary is a foolish pride I hope you can escape from soon.

[@bbq4dinner997]

I hate it when grandma charges us a cleanup fee on top of that rental agreement. I will teach her, I’m only giving her a one star review.

[@mia1shooter]

Who cares if "rent is being charged", it seems more people are mad at the fact that someone else is making money than just the extra people in a building

[@dt-jy1ig]

Grandchildren are family members not strangers

[@mbarrowclough]

Strangers to whom? If it's about safety, why is one group's safety not as important?

[@gayprepperz6862]

That remark is incredibly simple-minded remark.

[@dangeroreilly2028]

But they didn't exactly say if the law had a carve-out for family members. If it does, then ok. But if it doesn't, then grandma is subject to the same penalties as anyone that breaks the law.

[@SaguaroProductions]

Grandma is not charging the kids rent.

[@SaguaroProductions]

@@dangeroreilly2028 Renters

[@JCC.M.]

But granny, with her grandkids stuffed in a room, isn’t charging for her family, and she doesn’t have them there week in and week out!

[@patrickm6012]

Can you show in the occupancy law that it cares about if someone is charging rent or let 5 homeless people in that room? Occupancy laws don’t care about the situation, it’s about numbers.

[@mia1shooter]

This is the same lame tired response everyone else has...what does rent being charged or not have to do anything

[@DWilliam1]

I own a place in SC and the short term rentals destroy the neighborhood.

[@LauraBrown-d2z]

I am about fed up with an Air BNB right next to my home. I bought this home years ago with the intentions of a nice quite neighborhood. How dare the city allow these business owners to come in and buy these houses and rent them out. Now we constantly have to keep the garage door shut, and doors locked. We never know what is going to be spending time next door. Let’s not get into sleeping at night during the work week and cars and doors slamming all night long because of in and out. For shxts sake we live on a culdesac. The best part these business owners buying these houses DO NOT live here in the state of Florida. Don’t even get me started on the pool party noise. There is no more home sweet home when you have Pinellas Paradise next door. I call all of it BS, just so the city can pocket more money. GREED OVER RESPECT!

[@DexterRose]

pesky 4th amendment amiright? geez.

[@naplesflexplorer]

Why isn't your Sheriff enforcing local ordinance against noise violations and disorderly conduct?

[@BlueCollarBTC]

Save ur money and move out

[@rebeccaspratling2865]

​@@naplesflexplorerbecause they get a cut more than likely. My teenage daughter was sexually assaulted in our own backyard by vacationers at the airb&b property next door and the cops treated her like she was the problem.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@naplesflexplorer that is a very good question

[@davidbiddle3257]

Boohoo to the property rental owners-not a great spokesperson for this story.

[@mbarrowclough]

Okay Casper

[@Darkhorse1975]

Agreed, not feeling sorry for a guy that can own more than one home and the extra homes he owns are rented out to party animals and he doesn't care unless its a grandma having her grandchildren over in the one home they own and then its a big deal. This guy is whats wrong with america right now

[@TKGentryArt]

Yep. Not one ounce of sympathy for him.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@Darkhorse1975 Rents out to party animals? What an ignorant comment. I'm actually living the American dream. Building something where others see risk and not letting whiners deter me from achieving my goals. You might try to stop feeling like everyone else is responsible for your woes and start making changes in your own life for the life you want.

[@Darkhorse1975]

​@@mbarrowclough I live very close to multiple rental homes and can confirm that my "woes" are perfectly founded. I have police reports to prove it. You are living the american dream while hoarding the opportunity for others to achieve this dream by taking more of the pie before they can have a piece. You are the issue with america, living only for greed at the expense of everyone else. Shame on you. Single family homes should be owned by single families without a home. Not owned by some rich guy who is only in it for greed and blames the problem it causes on your victims. You make me sick.

[@jasonlovell3934]

Keep hotels out of neighborhoods!

[@mbarrowclough]

Totally. That is why I only offer homes to rent. In my market research, people overwhelmingly check the "strongly like" box when asked if they prefer to stay in a home vs staying in a hotel while traveling.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

Hotels are fine, they're built to do that job. The issue is using houses as hostel, or apartments.

[@AmandathePandaBooks]

Houses that are rented are hotels!!! And a big fat nuicance!!

[@mbarrowclough]

@@AmandathePandaBooks Why are you fat shaming?

[@kinyutaka]

​@@mbarrowcloughif the home is being rented out exclusively to short term renters, then it is doing the job of a hotel, not a home. So, maybe it should be zoned for light commercial and not residential. Is that a good compromise?

[@joebullwinkle5099]

Short term rentals are a business and have no place in a residential neighborhood!

[@mbarrowclough]

Why not ban any at home business? And if not, what businesses are acceptable in a residential neighborhood?

[@jul.escobar]

Agreed

[@mbarrowclough]

@@jul.escobar Cool comment. Now back to the mines.

[@rbm6184]

@@mbarrowclough Depends on city or county zoning laws separating commercial from residential. Most state the type of buildings allowed in residential zones like single-family dwellings, churches, schools, parks and community facilities. Usually referred to as R zones. Most businesses operating in residential zones cannot be a nuisance by excessive noise and activities that adversely impact residents. For instance most residents would not want a machine shop or gun range near a church trying to conduct worship services and if they are then those businesses can be regulated by the times they can conduct business that do not disturb church services. So businesses operating in residential zones can be severely restricted and heavily regulated. It is after all a residential zone not meant for commercial businesses that should be operating in commercial zones. A rental is still a business and not a residence and should be regulated like a business if operating in a residential zone. Conducting business from a home should not have any adverse impacts on residents in the zone as a result of that business or the result could be possible zoning penalties or charges filed by residents or both.

[@jamesarmes3098]

I think neighbors are complaining about 1 week renters on vacation with a bunch of others and having noisy parties.

[@aliannarodriguez1581]

If hotels weren’t so crazy expensive then Air B&Bs would be less popular. I think most people using B&Bs are probably not rowdy, but it only takes a small percentage to ruin it for everyone.

[@mbarrowclough]

Expense is a big thing. It's also the experience. Homes bring families together. Hotels always have separate doors that close at night.

[@aliannarodriguez1581]

@@mbarrowclough Before Air B&B’s I think it was less common for the average person to try and take a joint vacation like that, but it is a truly special experience to be able to do so.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@aliannarodriguez1581 It is! So many families have been able to enjoy the time together which is a great thing given all the other challenges in this world.

[@wallywanker7435]

I like a nice hotel 🤷especially one that serves breakfast.

[@aryaastark9201]

​@@wallywanker7435 Hotels over air BNBs anyday. I mainly solo travel so I don't understand the appeal of them at all.

[@KoolKatK]

Grandma does not charge rent for those grandkids she’s cramming in the spare bedroom. That property owner needs to get over himself.

[@tonalddrump5554]

You’re missing the point don’t tell others what to do with their properties. I’m sure you were the one telling people to wear masks also.

[@carlosgamez6230]

So your telling me you’d rather have a city full of Airbnb’s instead of ohhhh idk maybe houses your city residents can actually live in, maybe ohhh idk bring down the cost of rent on a large margin, maybe ohhhhhh idk stop incentivizing putting profits before common sense and decency. Yall wonder and wonder why it’s so expensive to live in Florida but don’t wanna do anything to address the root causes of the issue

[@KoolKatK]

@tonalddrump5554 No, you're missing the point. Investors are not residents. They are buying properties to make money as a business. This guy is an investor, not a resident residing in his properties. Thus, a business should have regulations.

[@tonalddrump5554]

@@carlosgamez6230 exaggerate much. Yesterday the governor was Desatan. Now he’s your hero

[@tonalddrump5554]

@@KoolKatK No, you’re missing the point I assure you.

[@dutch0770]

Just hit Air BnBs with a 30% tax. Don't change the rules. Change the taxes, making it not worth the investment of an AirBnB

[@rcg9573]

EXACTLY! Favorable tax laws written at the request of billion dollar REIT', corps and hedge fund managers have encouraged those same entities to buy up SF homes all across the US by the thousands to then rent them out for the cash flows. That activity alone is by far the single biggest cause of exploding rent and home purchase prices in the past 15 years across the US. There should be strict laws written, passed and enforced that prevent this type of activity in established residential neighborhoods. Almost all jurisdictions across this nation already have zoning laws that do not permit things like restaurants, convenience stores, warehouses, etc... to be developed, owned and operated in residential areas. They need to do the exact same thing with all this AIRNBN type crap because when you cut through all the BS these AIRBNB type property owners are not residents. They are investors running a perpetual hotel type rental business out of a SF home. . No one who buys a residential home to actually live in it wants to live next to the equivalent of a Motel 6 in the form of a SF home being perpetually rented out to paying visitors.

[@dcg590]

Says the people who own nothing and will never own anything.

[@dutch0770]

@dcg590 I own a lot. Simple solution to what is deemed to be a problem. I simply do not like rentals or Airbnb because I out gain them in the stock market. Nor will I work a second job. I enjoy working 30 hours a week. 🤷 Tesla, NVIDIA, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc. Are easy investments

[@jamesarmes3098]

I can just see it, squatters renting for a week, then won't leave. They tear up the place and the neighborhood. O wait, thats already happening.

[@altha2008]

now the law has change they can make them leave and police can help them

[@nedsackmann2215]

Really you comparing,someone grandkids with a bunch of who knows what shareing a bedroom😢

[@BG-mr5xv]

For years i rented a condo on Sanibel, the hoa ran the rental program. On site management is the key to control.

[@bobblacka918]

Short term renters have no personal stake in a neighborhood so they don't care how much noise they make or how much damage they cause to other people's property. They just walk away and leave the problems to someone else. Homeowners have not only a financial stake, they also want to maintain a good relationship with their neighbors so they make sure they don't become a nuisance.

[@mbarrowclough]

Why is your personal well-being my responsibility?

[@jamesarmes3098]

Having short term renters bring the property values down for the homeowners living there. Homeowner insurance premiums go up because of damage, all pay because of a claim. I'm surprised that the insurance industry hasn't pushed for regulations.

[@victoriamahon3765]

I noticed the owner has his background blurred. I would be curious to know where he actually lives how often he actually sets foot in the rental property, and how many rental properties he owns. The problem is that owners are not individuals, they’re companies buying multiple properties with very little oversight about what’s really going on at the ground level. Good for these towns for imposing safety and neighborhood rules. People letting anyone come and go unchecked in Airbnb properties, while charging as much if not more as hotels should be faced with the same if not stricter regulations. They think they found a loophole by making ridiculous profits without having to meet the same business and safety standards a hotel would. Not to mention that this is ruining neighborhoods by buying up properties that would otherwise be available for families to live in.

[@mbarrowclough]

What an ignorant comment. I actually live in the City of Indian Rocks Beach. I set foot on my properties every single day. And I'm not some faceless corporation. I come into this den of thieves and face the attacks from the ignorant here and elsewhere daily. Meanwhile, you sit back as a keyboard warrior princess and attempt to add to the discussion but you rely on tired, unproven emotional statements that I'm responsible for all your housing woes. Further you allow your ignorance to shine bright by characterizing me and every vacation home property owner as a scrooge who is running some infinite loophole to build a massive pile of money. Now that you have cast me as your story's villain, go and feel more sorry for the beach property owners who don't want you visiting THEIR beach. They need your sympathy.

[@tomshady3530]

Is it a coincidence that rise of airbnb has tracked perfectly with housing unaffordability (since 2016)?

[@LayeredVegan]

As a house owner, I'd be upset too over people turning these homes into party houses. No one wants to live near that, or have their peace disturbed.

[@allannelson5806]

I love that just plain regular people can be as greedy as big faceless corporations. As long as you're making money, screw thy neighbor.

[@mbarrowclough]

Greedy? When did it become greedy to protect something you bought, improved and continue to maintain at quality level far exceeding your neighbors?

[@jul.escobar]

Right... Barely anyone cares about their neighbors anymore.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@jul.escobar They definitely care about them. They care so much they want all their neighbors to live exactly as they live.

[@j29maniac]

Exactly. Greedy people. If you do something with your property that your neighbors don't like (even if it is legal), you are not being a good neighbor. But the greedy people don't understand that.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@j29maniac What are the requirements for being a good neighbor? And what are the behaviors of a bad neighbor?

[@TheToddWarner]

I loved the Landlord Dude that compared himself Granny on Christmas Eve! Really?? He needs another line before he tries to sell his "discrimination" claim to a jury.

[@volksfolks62]

Did this guy just compare Grandkids coming over for xmas to weekend renters playing loud music and puking outside while on vacation ?

[@alexsystems2001]

These rentals in general have gotten out of hand, not just vacation rentals, I live next door to a rental. I’ve been in my home 15 years and the house next to me is a subsidized home now. There have been 4 tenants in the last 6 years. Each one worse than the last. They don’t go to work so they don’t care that you gotta work, so they are up at all hours of the day and night playing loud music with their subwoofers in their cars, they have a HUGE trash pile with rats coming out on the side of their house, they have a dog that is always barking, the lawn is now just tall weeds, and their backyard is trash and dog poop LOTS of dog poop. Code enforcement and animal control do nothing, absolutely nothing, they respond, they ticket them, but these folks don’t care, they just let the tickets pile up, animal control leaves notices, animal control even left them a brand new $200 bark collar, not once has it been put on the dog and the landlord is making money off the property meanwhile I go to work tired every day and a portion of my paycheck is taken to pay their rent to the landlord. It’s really disappointing. Rentals in general screw up neighborhoods, no pride in ownership, it drives up prices because really, who can out bid an investment company? As a result of the increased prices fewer people can realize the American dream of home ownership.

[@johnnycastagneto8858]

American. Dream?? No such thing.

[@fashiondiva6972]

@@johnnycastagneto8858nice to see you didn’t lose the plot there, genius🙄 It’s impressive that’s your takeaway from a lengthy comment. And not in a good way, more like, “wow, I didn’t think anyone was that idiotic…I’m impressed!”🤦🏾‍♀️

[@dcg590]

Landlord SHOULD make money, it’s a business

[@brainspout3447]

If short-term rental regulations are controlled by a single state authority, all AirBnB lobbying money goes to one politician to create favorable rules. By DeSantis vetoing this proposal, they will have to pay hundreds if not thousands off to get what they want. Ron DeSantis just saved homeowners all across the state!

[@backtoobasics]

Ban all temporary rentals until the housing crisis stops. Your 75% of the problem

[@maxmx767]

Socialism is the way! 🤣

[@rebeccaspratling2865]

​@@maxmx767when you don't know the definition of socialism. How embarrassing.

[@tl1533]

@@maxmx767 Nothing is part of socialism here in US. There is no way. Nobody including the government gives a shat. So get the book & read about definition of socialism, then come back & talk about it.

[@mbarrowclough]

First. It is "you are". Second I am not. If you think that vacation houses at the beach or in neighborhoods are causing a housing crisis, you clearly have no understanding of real estate market reality. You need to do a little more research into WHO is really buying 1000s of homes for cash and immediately attempting to flip them or keeping them empty. Sorry to break it to you, it's not the boogyman vacation rental operator. It's the hedge funds and private equity funds buying 10000s of homes nationally sight unseen. But if you want to lend tears and hugs to all the injured beach property residents who have to fight their way past families enjoying the beach together after working all year for a family vacation, that is on you.

[@maxmx767]

@@mbarrowclough Say no more. They can’t understand. They rather go after the little man. Corporations are buying 75% of the inventory and dictating prices since 2020 and these morons are worried about a guy doing short rentals Lmao

[@nicolej5670]

This is what you get when you allow continued corporate ownership of a major portion of single homes in your area. The corporate owners don't care, all they want is the money for their share holders.

[@avayu2289]

Extended family members on holidays over in guest room(s) are definitely NOT the same as unvetted riff-raffs from online rentals. At least realtors do bona fide credit checks and take substantial security deposits. Airbnbs just take credit cards. Sure there are always liability insurance up to a certain amount, but it is just unwise to rent out short terms especially in today’s climate of illegal migrants and various squatters…….

[@mbarrowclough]

Do you always refer to people you don't know as riff-raffs? You seem to be very advisory but your lack of experience is telling here. You are forgetting that that primary rationale for bedroom limits is "safety" which are kids visiting grandma in need of less safety than a family of 4 who want to stay a weekend in a 1 bedroom apartment?

[@avayu2289]

@@mbarrowclough I am a seasoned property investor in both residential and hospitality with a sizable portfolio. I did not get here by not doing my due diligence. Online transactions are full of riffraff scam traps. And Airbnb is yet another redundant service for the mass market with much safety concerns. If you are not vetted with a good credit history and score, I don’t deal. Or get a bona fide vetted liable co-signer. Fair and simple.

[@sess122]

A grandmother having her grandchildren over for a weekend is just a LITTLE different than renters looking to "party down" for a week or so at an Air BNB.

[@tf2529]

The bill gives jurisdiction to the state, not the individual cities. DeSantis was right in vetoing it. Now the local governments can regulate this. The people need to get together and pressure their local governments.

[@wondereagle]

Grandkids and drunken adults stuffed into a room are two different things.

[@mbarrowclough]

Ignorantly you assume a rental house is stuffed with people. And you don't think for a minute that vacationers would complain about being stuffed into a room and force correct this illusion you have come up with?

[@bjohnmasters]

If the house is not for owner occupancy or long-term rental, then I don't understand why it is not classified and "commercial" use requiring a zoning change? That is what local governments need to be doing...You don't get to open what is essentially an unattended hotel in a single-family residential neighborhood.

[@steampunk888]

The simple answer to your question is that venture capital funding was used to make “donations” to politicians who then looked the other way. Without VC funding, it would have been exactly as you say.

[@rcg9573]

@@steampunk888 Yep, hedge funds, huge REITs and wealthy individuals have been buying up millions of SF homes all across the US for the past 15 years to rent them out for the cash flows and that activity is what has driven up home prices by insane amounts more than any other reason. And those same entities have bought off corrupt politicians to protect their SF home rental cash cows.

[@AlinaKiser-i1h]

So anyone that does Avon or any other home business should also be classified as commercial you’re very limited in your thinking

[@garykarel6809]

When I had a winter home in Key West the transient rentals were out of control and these weekly renters would party all night and ruined my winter months trying to relax and enjoy my home and neighbor hood. There needs to be more control over these daily, weekly and monthly rentals! This guy talks about his year around neighbor having his grandchildren over at Christmas time for a week.Give me a break, it’s once a year not week after week through out the entire winter season! Big difference! Wake up Florida!

[@mariatorres9789]

No, there doesn't. You do what you want with your house. They'll do what they want with theirs.

[@mbarrowclough]

This guy? Tell us more about your winter home? Where did you summer?

[@mariatorres9789]

@@mbarrowclough I think it's hilarious that he's temporary, too, but complaining about others, because they're even less committed to the area. Lol. He don't complain when their tourist dollars boost the local economy, or raise the equity of his home. 😅

[@mbarrowclough]

@@mariatorres9789 he got his as they say. Losers always want to keep others down.

[@marktaft]

Key West is a party Island. If you want peace and quiet, pick another key.

[@Allaiya.]

Ban short term rentals in residential areas!!

[@sanniepstein4835]

Compromise: allow them for owners who actually live there.

[@tl1533]

The last guy, STV rental owner just made a false equivalency- the grandkids don't come everyday. His business is running everyday & he is going to have his property filled as everyday if he could.

[@mbarrowclough]

It's not a false equivalency. If you learned more about the ordinances the City of Indian Rocks Beach and many others, they are equating 2 people to a bedroom as more safe than 3 or more people. I said, if it is truly about safety, then my neighbor shouldn't be permitted to stuff kids (3+) into a room as this would be unsafe. But it's not about safety and it never has been. It's about keeping what is theirs and limiting what is yours.

[@thzene4967]

​@@mbarrowclough It is a false equivalency, short term rentals have no investment in the neighborhood and no need to respect it. Grandma's family do have a personal investment in not angering grandma by being a nuisance to her neighbors. Grandma also isn't going to throw loud 2am parties fueled with unlimited alcohol and provocative music and guests. Grandma's house will not operate as a hotel and nightclub. You're a highly disingenuous person on this subject. I wonder why.

[@Gamebuster]

@@thzene4967 Just look at his subscriptions, all investment channels.

[@mbarrowclough]

​@@thzene4967 Ha...a nightclub? What a stupid comment with zero evidence. Going through life ignorant and angry with everyone not like you is not a good way to go.

[@thzene4967]

@@mbarrowclough The word nightclub was clearly figurative language you absolute genius. I was referring to loud house parties that are common in airbnbs. Sad I have to explicitly say that to someone who is clearly the smartest person within 1000 miles.

[@thatguyrich9822]

The difference between over-occupancy of party guests, and letting your grandkids stay over.... is that one is a private residence, the other is a commercial business.

[@scott331]

We Residents of Florida need inventory to increase to get these prices down! Poop, these people are putting the local residents families at Safety Risks, inconvenience, wreckless behavior period! Get Em outta here

[@stevenlubbers7236]

Grandma has grandkids over for Christmas! You are kidding! That is totally the same as shoving 15 full grown adults with vehicles to match into a single home with a 2 car driveway 365 days a year

[@Enjoywatchingyoutube8227]

There needs to be laws that are assigned to rental properties. I see similar issues near me. The property owners who rent out homes are only concerned about money and not about the neighborhood.

[@shannonelledge1313]

We had airbnb homes in our neighborhood just 2 years ago, one of them was our next door neighbors. It was absolute hell. Blasting music from their car in the front yard all hours. Not to mention the one two doors down that had a renter STEAL our neighbors outdoor cat. I STILL miss kitty friend. I gave them a hard enough time they both sold their homes, now people live in them that own them.

[@nestorvillacampa6138]

What happened to zoning laws?

[@LesaBear612]

We had a huge home turn AirBnB right behind us. Their pool backed up to our back patio. It slept 22 people. Party, party, party. Loud music, screaming kids. At $895 per night, only large groups could afford it. Ridiculous. We sold our home and moved. I couldn’t stand it. We had lived in our house for 24 years, without a problem. Until then.

[@garykarel6809]

Sad you had to move! It shouldn’t be this way!

[@idaalmonte253]

Isn’t just about the disturbing behavior of some tourist to the neighborhood with loud music, drugs using, slamming car doors etc. (that we understand for many that’s normal vacation behavior, but for the neighborhood it’s unsettling and creates a unsaved atmosphere ) but the worse issue is that they prefer to do those type of rentals instead of yearly bc they make tripple the cash and that business model has certainly shortages in housing for locals.

[@mbarrowclough]

There is no such thing as housing shortages at the beach. Are full time residents playing loud music, smoking weed in their backyard and leaving unkept yards okay?

[@idaalmonte253]

@@mbarrowcloughWell not where I live. Very seldom I smell weed and there isn’t not loud neighbors or unkept condos

[@ianvw7729]

Every city has noise ordinances. If renters aren't abiding by it call law enforcement. Overall please just keep your Karen mentality away from everyone.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@idaalmonte253 so you have loud neighbors and you sometimes smell weed. And how did you respond to this smell of weed and this noise by neighbors?

[@idaalmonte253]

@@ianvw7729 And you stop using the term “Karen” all so lightly. Decency and respectful living among other humans doesn’t make me a Karen. And I won’t apologize to you or anyone bc I worked my way up to live permanently on a spectacular highrise condominium with the beach as my backyard and paid hefty hard earned dollars for it and it’s hefty monthly maintenance. So some Joe blow comes around and for few hundreds for an Airbnb he believes he can come and perturb good, peaceful living.

[@LD-id3vy]

WE DON’T WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR TOWN!!!

[@naplesflexplorer]

Move to China they have good govt oversight on what you can and cant do. You will love it. Or enforce local laws in regards to noise ordinance and disorder. If your local sheriff isn't enforcing the law than vote them out.

[@frankmacleod2565]

you get what you vote for

[@howardvenze9956]

@@naplesflexplorer Sure, in China where millions bought condos that will never be finished and they lost their life savings.

[@tl1533]

@@naplesflexplorer I thought the government already regulates the women's body. While don't you tell the government regulators to move to China if they want to control.

[@missinformed9550]

​How about respecting zoning laws declaring neighborhoods to be residential, not commercial? Hotels do not belong in neighborhoods

[@donna8357]

But that 'grandma' isn't renting that room to her grandkids, so that example has no value.

[@TrafficCamWatch]

Your property should mean your rules. Everyone hates big government until they want big government.

[@gracielaloughridge5054]

My son used to live in a high rise apartment building in Brickell, paying a fortune in rental, half of the building were owned by overseas residents, so they decided to list them on Airb&b. Horrible, people were running on the halls at late hours, leaving garbage every where, the people from the apartment above brought their dog that pooped on the balcony, so they decided just wash it off, all the watery feces were dripping to my son’s balcony and into the pool. He had to move because it was out of control.

[@gameosapien13]

DeSantis sided with the one who cut him a big fat check not the ones who voted for him.

[@andrewcrowder4958]

When people vote for DeSantis, they vote to let their lives be controlled by his donors

[@charlieodom9107]

Here is an idea....how about prosecuting the jaclasses who break the law instead of trying to punish everyone else.

[@graycochran2055]

NO sympathy for the guy that owns rental properties. There should absolutely be different rules for family homes than rental or investment homes.

[@delilahgillis5287]

IT'S UP TO THE GRANDPARENTS HOW MANY KIDS SLEEP IN A ROOM NOT THE CITY. GRAND KIDS AREN'T SMOKING WEED & DRINKING ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT. BARROWCLOUGH NEEDS TO GET REAL

[@philrabe910]

Something always smells like rotten fish when a proponent for businesses compares what they are doing to generate profits in an out of zone way with something that we all expect would be reasonable for GRANNY hosting FAMILY to be doing once or twice a year over the holidays. PS I grew up in Largo, leaving a sister there and one in Daytona Beach shores.

[@mbarrowclough]

You just want to smell something rotten because you think in terms of greed and envy. It's the greed that you refer to which has given me an opportunity to improve my properties from dilapidated states, provide jobs to people throughout this County and vacations for hardworking families who visit. What have you done recently?

[@JebusHypocristosX]

@@mbarrowclough Typical corporate terrorist, lying, cheating and stealing.

[@garykarel6809]

@@mbarrowclough 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mickeyhead9770]

The state does not have to regulate something that a city/town should have control over.

[@kittygianelli6731]

Government has no right to control what I do with my home….fight at local level

[@thzene4967]

The government has always exercised control over what's done with homes. You've just found an example you don't like.

[@MB-xe8bb]

Meth lab? Carpentry shop? Pub? Biker club? Whorehouse? Teenagers practicing their very loud rock band in their garage? Flophouse for drug addicts? Auto wrecks in their back yard? And front yard?

[@michaelgabriel7919]

It's all about responsibility... and no one seems to up to the task. Owners, renters, neighbors, local law enforcement, city and town governments, the state... they're all passing the buck. It's all about rights and freedom... but nothing about civil and social responsibility... and respect.

[@markpashia7067]

Anything under a one year lease should be held to hotel/motel standards AND post a security bond for law enforcement actions above the area normal. Quiet hours should be posted and enforced. These folks in this Gig economy took a gamble and I do not care one bit if they lose money on it. Be good neighbors or sell. They are not in a commercial district and should not be allowed.

[@MB-xe8bb]

They could build or buy a commercial hotel.

[@chrisdeacutis5053]

Good for Gov Ron. Standing up for Local Rights. That’s Called Democracy!! The idea of this guy comparing his business that he charges people for staying in homes he owns to a Grandmother who has Grandchildren visiting is absurd.

[@Myfriendvinny]

Single-family homes should not be for rent. There are commercial districts for that. A renter and a homeowner will never see eye to eye with each other, two totally different mindsets and it's a gray area for law enforcement. Plus, before you know it companies will own all the homes and the American dream of owning a home will be impossible. it will be for rent.

[@mbarrowclough]

No one should be able to rent a single-family home? So you support the hotel lobby and ensuring they have complete control over the inventory so when it comes to you needing a place to stay, you pay their high fees without any alternative options. Do you always demand your insane ideas on everyone?

[@nicoles9077]

@Myfriendvinny I think the problem is short term and weekly rentals. When I moved to a new city years ago my husband and two kids rented a house because we wanted the space and wanted to be zoned to a certain school district. I had just started a new job and didn’t want the hassle of buying a home and having to sell it if the job didn’t work out. After the first year I knew I would be with my company long term and bought a house a few miles away from the house I rented. There is a market for people who want to rent a home long term.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@nicoles9077 and a huge market for those who want to rent one for a short term.

[@MB-xe8bb]

@@mbarrowclough These Air B&B'ers could build hotels.

[@mbarrowclough]

@@MB-xe8bb people, your neighbors, your friends, want the space and amenities of a home.

[@kevinw1611]

I can easily pick out home owners in my neighborhood who don't maintain their properties, set off fireworks, have parties, do things we may not agree with. There are two sides to every situation. And while there are plenty of good short term rental property owners, same as homeowners, there are plenty that are not good neighbors. Quick question. When someone agrees to rent the property, do they sign a contract? Are they agreeing to specific rules? What happens when said rules are not followed? What if a person renting decides not to leave, which set of rules do you want them to fall under? Apartment and homes have different eviction rules than a hotel.

[@bklynrizz714]

An AirB&B is like a Hotel, which has an occupancy requirement per room, so why shouldn't an AirB&B have the same requirement? They are basically in the same business.

[@OhAncientOne]

Why isn't it a code violation to operate a commercial business in a residential area?

[@Vassil00]

2:01 Did this guy just compare grand kids in one room staying over for Christmas at grandmas house to his, rent by the weekend/week/month, property that sees different groups pack into the home on a daily, weekly or monthly basis? What a tool. If it was his neighbor he would probably have a problem with it.

[@DonFarmer-hq5sw]

Why don’t you ask the Governor about the issue ?

[@wilfredosoto2722]

The governor gave his opinion by giving his veto. He’s doesn’t want the state to regulate what is a local issue, best dealt with by local governments and residents. That makes perfect sense.

[@katherinedemott298]

@@wilfredosoto2722 esp when he is paid off by corporations who own ABBs.

[@desiv1170]

OMG, you mean people who are running a business might have more regulations than someone who isn't running a business? Oh, the shock and horror!!! ;-)

[@rtroyer8963]

Locals need to take control of what goes on in their cities.

[@mike-uw6wt]

Desantis ruined Florida.

[@LionsReignofDomination]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MedoExpress]

Have you moved out yet? We are eagerly waiting.

[@LD-id3vy]

You must be from Cali!!!!

[@rapture2242]

My neighbor sold his house to a short term rental, mostly Airbnb, but sometimes Vrbo. I've called the police about 50 times on this place due to loud parties the past five years. The State needs to enact strict fines for violations since these city governments are corrupt. There's a lot of money involved here and code enforcement agencies can't be trusted to enforce these rules. The police don't care since their bosses are told by city officials to do the bare minimum.