Valentia in the 1590s: The Twilight of Gaelic Ireland

[@l.antoinetteanderson3736]

Thank you for this presentation! First time to watch your videos, but I have a fondness for the Irish history, and even for more current events. Important history to me as a Traditional Catholic. Your filming is lovely and obvious for the care and love of the land. Looked at your video list and subbed. Greetings from southcoast Oregon USA!

[@forasfeasa]

Thank you very much Antoinette. I am glad you liked it and loved your comment :-)

[@martinrea8548]

Another great episode with some spectacular footage.

[@forasfeasa]

Thank you very much!!! Valentia has so much to offer (especially the back of the island where few people go)

[@clarencebeeks2787]

Hello from San Francisco, thanks for all the videos ☘️☘️☘️

[@forasfeasa]

Thanks Clarence. You are very welcome :-)

[@aineoneill9053]

Very enjoyable. Thank you.

[@forasfeasa]

Thank you very much. I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@MartinMcGlone-Boileau]

greetings from florida! beautiful place and great history lesson.

[@forasfeasa]

Thanks a lot! Not quite as warm as Florida!

[@denismccarthy7796]

Thanks enjoyed that very much

[@forasfeasa]

Thanks Denis!!!

[@shayb290]

A great video,,,,Irish history,,,Our heritage, our culture,,,👍☘️☘️☘️✌️

[@forasfeasa]

Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed it

[@larrymclaughlin7922]

A great history of the region. Obviously well researched. It's incredible how much change occurred during the life of a single Gaelic lord such as MacCarthy Mor. Valencia is a beautiful island - I hope to visit some day.

[@forasfeasa]

Thanks Larry! You should!! :-)

[@jimmurphy4083]

Great work, thank you. I have many great memories of holidays and family on Valentia. A beautiful place and great people, now a long way from Tauranga NZ.

[@forasfeasa]

Thank you very much!!

[@Kevin-hg2df]

Excellent content. Thanks for posting. Really insightful and well presented.

[@forasfeasa]

Thanks Kevin, glad you enjoyed it!!

[@Finnegeas]

This is a great video and thanks for the insight into this. Have been interested in the history of Iveragh peninsula and the power changes between families. McCarthy’s really were a big and powerful family

[@forasfeasa]

THanks, glad you liked it. The MacCarthys were powerful, probably the second most powerful Gaelic family in Ireland after the O'Neills (though the O'Briens and O'Donnells might dispute that). I hope to have more stuff on them soon!

[@WardMcCarthy51]

Another great history lesson. Thank you!

[@forasfeasa]

You are very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jesusislukeskywalker4294]

@@forasfeasaaye lad 🚬🤠

[@jesusislukeskywalker4294]

🚬🐨 thanks for sharing 🙏 you’ve obviously done your own research 👍🏻

[@forasfeasa]

You are welcome. In terms of Gaelic Ireland in the 1590s, I have done a lot... too much maybe, since I covered this period in my doctorate :-).

[@johnmurdoch8534]

A quiet place. I drove through it about a decade ago. It seemed empty.

[@forasfeasa]

The permanent population of Valentia is small, around 600. However, in July/August I'd say it can reach a few thousand at certain times. Most of this, however, is around Knightstown (and Chapeltown to a lesser extent). The north side of the island (facing Dingle and the Blaskets) is always much emptier and very, very quiet in Winter (apart from the wind!)

[@ktlucas916]

valantia is a very beautiful part, kerry. i went there in 1981 when my grandmother died. kildare lady she used to tell me about my grandmother sister what they were doing in Dublin tan wars only to find out 25 years later that my family where from valantia and 15% Spain d n a I am planning a trip with family

[@forasfeasa]

Valentia is beautiful indeed. Hope you find family when you come to Valentia. The cable station brought a lot of people here, making it a little different from elsewhere in Kerry

[@ktlucas916]

@forasfeasa Nora mary Katie john are are on the 1901 census, mary Katie and my grandmother 1911 census in Dublin. Katie and john grave on valantia .I think theremother was sugrue

[@forasfeasa]

@@ktlucas916 Sugrue is a very Kerry name which is pronounced like the Irish spelling (Siocru). If you look all the old graveyards here, you will find Sugrue

[@ktlucas916]

@forasfeasa there surname is McGillicuddy. john McGillicuddy is on census as a runer in knighttown. i think Mother sugrue as i had d n a match with surname. thanks for the great work that you do

[@forasfeasa]

@@ktlucas916 You are very welcome! There are a good few MCGillicuddys around here (more up in Kilorglin though)

[@thomasmooney5653]

03:02 south Munster is pronounced something closer to "e•yesh mu•ou-wahm" as Gaeilge. Definitely not "desh moo•moo".

[@forasfeasa]

Go raibh maith agat. I am relearning my Irish, but these historical terms can be difficult... sometimes I get a blank or other times frustration with recording the same paragraph several times lets mistakes pass through (in English and Irish I must add). In Irish college years ago I was made to learn Ros Catha na Mumhan (a good song), however, for some reason my brain cannot register this as the same pronunciation as Deas-Mumu! Maybe now I finally will, thanks for pointing it out.

[@Dhhhhj27]

The spanish should have gione to Ulster and not Kinsale or Valentia.

[@forasfeasa]

They should have gone to Limerick or anywhere north of that. Mind you a landing at Valentia would have presented the English with great difficulties. This part of SOuth Kerry was very inaccessible by land, and difficult for them to get to by sea... If they had landed at LImerick, the outcome of the war would have been very different

[@Dhhhhj27]

​@@forasfeasaLimerick city was Crown turf plus the loyalist Thomond nearby.

[@forasfeasa]

@@Dhhhhj27 O'Neill himself said with 4000 troops Limerick or anywhere north of it. Limerick had a lot of advantages. First of all Carrickafoyle could help cut off the Shannon. Second, LImerick was a lot further than Kinsale and the English had enough difficulty get men and supplies to Kinsale. Kinsale also allowed them sheltered areas to land, these would not have been available at Limerick. O'Donnell raided Thomond a lot and O'Neill could have been down fairly quickly. Nor would there have been as much a need for supplies. O'Neill and O'Donnell stretched themselves a lot to get to Kinsale. Less effort to reach Limerick. Thomond by himself was not too much to worry about. The citizens of Limerick were not over fond of the government. The big question is whether they would have surrendered to the Spanish. If they had, it would have been a different ball game. Lots of interesting questions to ponder. Similarly, if the Spanish had landed at Cork instead of Kinsale what would have happened?

[@Dhhhhj27]

@forasfeasa The undoing of O'Neill was coming out of Ulster but with sufficient Spanish help an attack on Dublin would probably have taken the English off guard ,even a small diversionary expedition to Kinsale as a distraction would have helped also....the O`Donnells cane into Kerry to secure the west flank of the army plus left garrisons there aswell.

[@forasfeasa]

@@Dhhhhj27 The problem with Dublin is that there were a lot of small garrisons /castles around it. In terms of the sea it meant a voyage through the Irish sea along the east coast of Ireland, near Chester and other English ports. In addition, O'Neill's aim was to survive until Elizabeth died. If his army had been unable then, and he still had control over Ulster and large parts of Ireland, he had won. An attack on Dublin would have been very risky. If it had been successful it would have exposed him to an English counter attack. Dublin was far easier to reach than Kinsale or Limerick (and far harder for the Spanish to resupply). O'Neill actually suggested Carlingford, but the Spanish rejected this. They wanted to stay away from the East Coast.

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

Go the McCarthy mor. Well the good ones at least

[@forasfeasa]

He was your boss once upon a time :-)

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

@@forasfeasa A lot to do with the McAuliffe`s. Great video

[@forasfeasa]

@@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf Thanks :-)

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

@@forasfeasa The McAuliffe`s of Duhallow are a sept of the McCarthys

[@forasfeasa]

@@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf Don't I know that already :-) And one day I will get there (but Cork is big - for Ireland, tiny for Australia, but big for Ireland)

[@leprechaun7667]

1590,s was definitely not the twilight of Gaelic ireland, it was under english rule. We had Spanish here the lot. I suggest you research Brian O Rourke!

[@forasfeasa]

The Nine Years War was fought between Hugh O`Neill's Confederacy and Elizabeth's armies between 1594-1603 . Until the defeat at Kinsale a large part of Ireland especially in Ulster and the Southwest of Munster (South Kerry and Beara), as well as parts of Connaught were essentially outside English rule. Brian O;Rourke was executed in 1591 but his son fought with O'Neill until the end. The defeat of O'Neill marked the end of the Gaelic lordships and the beginning of the end of the political existence of Gaelic Ireland. So the 1590s very much was the twilight of Gaelic lreland.

[@Clans_Dynasties]

A great video, il be stealing alot of this information for a McCarthy video 😂,

[@forasfeasa]

Steal away my friend. I think this is the video that we finally allow me to monetise. I'm one hour short of the necessary total (3999/4000)... :-)

[@eleveneleven572]

I stayed at the Knight of Kerry's house in 1998. Owned and renovated by a German lady who had moved over with her husband to start a factory using EU funds. They divorced after her husband got the taste for a pint and went native 😂

[@forasfeasa]

Glanleam House, it is still there and doing well. Run by the next generation. It is a great place to stay!

[@Occident.]

Im a Gael, born on Tyneside England. God bless Ireland. Resist the second Plantation. 🇮🇪✊

[@forasfeasa]

There is no plantation going on in Ireland now. There are immigrants and refugees, and Ireland has changed from 99% white to 97% white. And if you want to lecture me in Irish history, learn it first, under the Elizabethans and Stuarts there were many different plantations. Also read Keating's Foras Feasa, which shows how immigration was important in Ireland from mythological times to historical ones.

[@conlaiarla]

​@@forasfeasaFool yourself all you like but this IS definitely a plantation going on currently. 22% of the population are foreigners.

[@conlaiarla]

Still fooling yourself and deleating comments? Not much logic displayed here.

[@forasfeasa]

@@conlaiarla I am neither fooling myself nor deleting comments

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