VANGUARD WORST COD EVER?! | PARASITE GOES OFF! | THE FLANK

[@patrickhiphop3531]

Fun fact for cod kids: HCS Raleigh will have more matches played that weekend than the CDL's first 2 seasons combined.

[@tedmain8347]

This is the worst stat I’ve ever heard

[@patrickhiphop3531]

@@tedmain8347 sad but true

[@Brayzon]

worst stat I've heard but it honestly makes sense.

[@itylerherro9492]

@@patrickhiphop3531 For real???? Do certain teams get a bye?

[@patrickhiphop3531]

@@itylerherro9492 huh? no... the partnered pro teams have no advantage other than they get money from the skins in game. This is a straight up open bracket style tournament.

[@ryanwin1989]

The aesthetic of the stream was great. The snow and even the red/blue contrast between Tom and Doug

[@zombiemachinery4868]

Yeah, but the other clown should at least wear a damn t-shirt.

[@AngeIo107]

@@zombiemachinery4868 say it to Doug’s face

[@zombiemachinery4868]

@@AngeIo107, what? Are you 12?

[@briangomez4847]

@@zombiemachinery4868 you mirin bruh, quick hating lol you must be that insecure about yourself

[@zombiemachinery4868]

@@briangomez4847, wtf? Was that English?

[@EsportsTalk]

These interviews are 🔥🔥🔥

[@jamesharrisimo]

Doug killed me when Tommy said hit some pull-ups quick Doug and he just grinned and started hitting pull-ups mid debate 😂👏🏻

[@egochally7288]

No hesitation either😂

[@accumulateyt3960]

Bro we love Doug on the show 💯

[@jaeswag4921]

hulk SMASH

[@joy5976]

Bruh I didn’t hear when he said to do pull ups so I thought he was just doing that cause he was bored lmaoo

[@JT25100]

Pat is 100% spot on in regards to maps over the last 3/4 titles. None of the maps were A grade standard - pro players simply just made the best of them

[@thegoat682]

bo4 maps werent bad

[@baitface5775]

What have you been watching, cold war maps were godly

[@EQW-c4m]

@@baitface5775 did we play the same Miami?

[@Gifdr]

@@baitface5775 name one good Cold War map, no you can’t include Raid. Moscow is average at best and it’s a shame that people will now accept that

[@baitface5775]

@@Gifdr apoc, garry, check, hold that noob

[@jackhoofnagle9517]

Passion is leaking from everyone the whole podcast and I loved it bros! Keep having these tough conversations and getting through everyones points so more people understand!

[@zucxys]

So many great personalities in the scene. Hope they start listening cause other comp games would love these guys they genuinely care about this shit when the devs don’t

[@elyudsalcidojr.8910]

I like having Aches on The Flank. I think having him is amazing and like his appearances on here.

[@elyudsalcidojr.8910]

Nvm. Just saw Aches announced as the new co-host.

[@justin3258]

If it wasn’t for Covid and wz I never would have known competitive cod existed. Now I consume it on the daily. So many others like me that will never know.

[@lukewestwest]

Yes Doug YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE HAVING FUN PLAYING VANGUARD EVERY DAY. I do salute you Doug for your enthusiasm though! Hahah

[@oGAxtmann]

Excited for this episode! Happy holidays everyone and may the pine park be with you.

[@RandySchmitt]

Ben saying covid effected orgs from growing is very far off. It's E-Sports for a reason. Optic grew from internet content not actual events or being tied to any city.

[@joelmilan6280]

Optic also had 10+ years to grow. You can’t compare brand new CDL orgs to them.

[@RandySchmitt]

@@joelmilan6280 I'm just saying you don't need live events to grow a CDL city based esports org. Its Esports for a reason, the audience is all online.

[@RandySchmitt]

Perfect example during Covid I thought Rokkr with Midnite did an excellent job pushing content to grow the brand

[@suwhup542]

Exactly, bens arguments is off bcuz you could have a Lan anywhere and it’s always gonna be 80% optic crowd, so not much room to grow their brand there, and if new people get into comp, the only people the stream and produce content is always optic so that’s who they’ll most likely watch and become fans off, teams needs to start making content and some do but there’s no one to promote it cuz no one from their team streams or has a brand to bring in views, I saw a LAG video only cuz of zoomaa reaction to it but if not for that I’d have no idea LAG made content, and the video barely got like 5k views and the LAG players never stream so aye no growth in that brand, that’s just one example, other teams don’t do anything or the players

[@raulmehta9743]

I can only speak for myself honestly, but for me I was a huge fan in college and during COVID but now as an adult that works full time I just don’t have the time or energy to give a shit about competitive COD or the league anymore, especially when it’s the same BS every year. After all these years of waiting for things to change I just couldn’t care less anymore which is sad. This episode is the first cod thing I’ve seen in my KZbin feed in months and I used to watch streams like everyday

[@Grandpapi_Yugi]

I miss Ben already...... he had a realistic perspective on things. It was refreshing to hear somone like that.

[@heroicgaming4119]

Same. These CoD pros sound like spoiled brats on this stream tbh. Parasite calling for pros to sit out of the CDL is absolutely moronic, and extremely easy to say for someone who is not in the league. Activision is one of the largest companies in the gaming space. You need a level headed adult with critical thinking skills to represent the players and their best interests.

[@briangiardina1824]

I completely agree with everyone when they said the league NEEDS to start in December. The CDL will get so many new fans if they had events closer to CODs launch

[@verynoyce5645]

Honestly hate that Zini said that fans would lose out when in reality it’s just the pros not wanting to lose money I know for a fact that the cod community would love if they take a stand for a better game & a better system so we could enjoy such a better game & everything

[@jumpinjack151]

Actable Changes that devs could make to comp for vanguard specifically 1. Swap out squad spawns with classic spawn logic for comp game types and maps only 2. Add the option to delete the wood walls/windows/doors for comp 3. Disable tac sprint all together to slow down pace and settle the auto tac debate 4. Actively update the CDL rules in game to reflect the updated rules That’s just a start that players go could give to the orgs, it’s not ideal but the realistically all they could do right now

[@kantsh00t89]

Ben leaving is pain for all tha stats freaks who aren’t naturally talented

[@alexstachura11]

Good, he's a terd that brings nothing to the table

[@JakeVirdenTech]

I love when Patty P joins The Flank!! 🤣👍 #WACHES

[@ChemiiAlert]

They don’t care about making the game better they cater to the noobs the kids that can’t aim always adding weird stuff like: riot shields, shotguns, stupid perks and dumb grenades like they don’t care about anything other than release sales. If they built around comp then cod would come back to life. Think about all the OG good maps terminal, highrise, raid, standoff. They were still loved by the “casuals” and played in the comp scene. Guns, maps, perks, streaks, game modes the whole game would be better! They need to make their “MW2.0” last 2-3 years so they can catch up instead of rushing stuff out the door every year. They are just a money hungry company and they only cater to the noobs it sucks and it’s sad. Also S/O Tom and The Flank

[@WidgetWagyu47292]

Yup it’s sad but CoD comp is basically dying and Activision don’t give af.

[@MintCity]

I’m glad to see so much love for Doug lately in the chat and comments. I’ve always loved the guy. He may be a bit off-base with certain things but he is the type of guy that has nothing but good intentions!

[@sushisessions4815]

Constructive criticism. Pat talking over everyone, wether his opinions are correct or not isn’t good for the show. Love the flank and love Ben. Sad to see him go.

[@Eshsmacks]

Yeah, he cant be co-host if he cant let people say their part no matter how wrong they could be

[@sushisessions4815]

@@Eshsmacks judging how this went jack (courage) or hitch would be the best co-hosts although it’s unrealistic.

[@Eshsmacks]

@@sushisessions4815 ah havent gotten that far in the podcast yet

[@simonowensfishing597]

Live events and engagements being a struggle because of covid is a crutch. I’ve been like 15 crowds of 15-50 thousand and literally no issues. There is no excuse to not have full Lans this year

[@rickyr6178]

Please open brackets should come back for AM only and some pro lans!!

[@About36Greekss]

I agree with aches. Our standard for what a good map is so extremely low if we consider Moscow from Cold War and Arsenal from Bo4 good maps ... Jesus .. we Really haven’t had a great map Pool in years .. probably bo3 or AW

[@AyoShaba]

Arsenal if it didn't have the opening doors would've been very good

[@About36Greekss]

@@AyoShaba it’s not a bad map and one of the best on that game even .. just nowhere near some of the older cods maps

[@14superdida]

Bo4 maps were solid you are crazy

[@IAmSavageTG]

FELT A little hectic trying to watch with everyone over speaking each other

[@Jamoc_NZ]

Tommy this was a passionate Flank and things are heated right now so good job trying to control this. Maybr less guests in the future might be easier or stagger them and revisit points made by 1st guest with the 2nd guest and so on so not so chaotic for you. Keep up the work man. Flank is 🔥

[@DaDankStrafe]

I'm not gonna lie, Ben pisses me off in these conversations. Even though he denies it, he blatantly makes excuses for the devs and publisher when the game is absolutely awful in every way. There have been structural problems for years in the cod competitive scene that could be fixed instantly by a competent studio. HAVE A RANKED PLAYLIST OUT ON DAY 1. FUCKING PERIOD POINT BLANK. It's so far past the point of giving them a pass or making excuses. It's 100% unacceptable. Having said all that, at this point, yes the pros and owners should band together and create a list of things that need to be fixed generally speaking in the game and games going forward. But I'm not convinced that will do anything at all. So good luck with the clueless developers.

[@billkuduk1159]

He’s playing devils advocate, he brings up the opposing points and defends them, but this allows for the other to rip into it, just strengthens the argument

[@lucafennelllawless6577]

parasite is the man we all need to be at the top of activision

[@bob-1980]

Exactly, like the amount of people I see taking Doug’s side is blowing my mind. The dude actually cares for the game and wanted to be good and you just have Doug over here sitting relaxing playing a dog water and unfinished game that he for some reason enjoys.

[@adamcogan211]

First Cod I’ve skipped in my life and I’m thoroughly disappointed. Not even checking out the warzone map. The last few years have been shambles with competitive and warzone. Honestly, I was a massive fan of CW and think people didn’t realise how good we had it.

[@nealzonwheelz1k244]

Me too. Ur not missing much it’s just a gun leveling system for warzone. Shame to since I love the ww2 setting.

[@DrSemibouse]

I changed my mindset about playing COD to be honest. I'm studying and working for 11-12 hours a day. Whenever I get home I just want to chill and shoot things. I've never been in the casual mindset as much as I am right now and I really enjoy the game. It's sad that this game can't be competitive but I think that's just the reality we're in. I wish there would be a way to know you're in the good old days, before you actually left them.

[@alexstachura11]

No ranked, no leaderboards, can just dashboard and not have your stats effected leads me to just play Halo now and it's so fun. il dabble in the new WZ map but yeah looks like I'm a casual now too lol

[@cadeconville1563]

343 hired multiple former pros to test Halo Infinite’s multiplayer and you see how incredible that game has turned out on the multiplayer side and the revival of the competitive scene. All that’s needed is for these ex-pros to extend an olive branch to these studios and offer their services legitimately. A play test one month before launch is useless, they need to be involved in the process from the beginning of each game’s development.

[@cookupcuse7152]

Facts!!!

[@matthewtatum5413]

Not only that Competitive is Good for Halo but for Casual Players, Halo Infinite has been the best since Halo Reach. Last time Cod Competitive and Casual has been good was Black Ops 3

[@cmooreplaz]

The CDL needs to have the launch event a day or two before the release of the game with all of the franchise teams playing. If this is the only in-game footage then everyone will watch it giving the CDL teams free growth and publicity.

[@Thatsmoneyyy]

What if all the pros just showed up to the first event and just straight trolled as a way to protest

[@tenshoranbu]

lets get a WACHES in the chat for the one time LMFAO i love pat.

[@terrellpoitras7637]

The Ben announcement is probably the first cod announcement I heard b4 tactical rab made a post , night owl FTW , wish you well on future endeavours Wen , The Flank will always be your Home. Zoomafia LFG

[@tylerthib6737]

glad to see ben go. jesus. what a suit.

[@samu2000100]

Top 5 Wlank fosho, preciate yall for voicing yall opinions about the state of CoD, wish more pros/challengers would voice theirs, especially that now zooma has prolly the biggest platform in comp CoD, which has a big reach. S/O Wooma and everybody that was on this episode !!!!

[@tariqmuhamed1562]

listening to this before competitive ww2 starts and ohhhh boy. we're in for another interesting year

[@leetebbens8858]

Shout out to Censor for bringing his positivity. I disagree with some of what he said, but always happy to see someone looking on the bright side in these times.

[@grizzlybearEAT]

"From my POV" is basically saying, "I do declare". When you make a statement, it's implied that it's from your perspective.

[@fynndiesel3161]

Pure passion in this call I love it! Let's fucking save comp cod

[@Hushh27]

FANTASTIC EPISODE WE NEED MORE LIKE THIS CALLING OUT THE LEAGUE AND THE DEVS. It’s like they don’t see the true potential of competitive cod if everything is done with half a Brain or done right

[@Drip404]

I think that it sounds like the owners of these franchises need to get this legally involved cause if their putting in 25mil$ they should have a legal right to at least have a comp team like courage said involved. Imagine paying 25$ mil dollars and having no say so how you can run your franchise for your league thats legitmate for preparing for the new title coming and are getting no correspondance for the game your competing in that youve essentially already paid for. I just think thats the only way to maybe apply any pressure on them to make the cdl better.

[@DaDankStrafe]

The game and the league go hand in hand for me. The game is obviously bad, because of map design and the dynamic map components like doors and windows, etc. It goes without saying that skill based matchmaking has completely ruined pubs and pub stomping live stream and KZbin content. But someone really needs to do a deep dive on the structure of the league. There needs to be less exclusivity in the league. 44 players in the whole world are ever in the league at one point, and that's unacceptable. It gets monotonous seeing the same teams over and over again in matches. It would be fun to see teams formed with people who used to be pros (sort of like the Kingsmen team led by Parasite that took Optic to game 5 in the Black Ops 3 Orlando event). The franchising can work, but the entry fee is way too steep for it to make sense for a brand to start from scratch. I could go on and on, but this game is terrible in terms of pubs, and every game going forward will be so long as there is skill based matchmaking and there's no ability to have a great KD every once in a while. But just as importantly, the game is awful competitively, and it doesn't have to be if they would get more feedback from pros well in advance of the launch. No ranked play at launch is a massive failure every year, and they simply don't care. This game is completely chalked, there's no way to salvage this game. This game is so bad that literally Scump competing is the only thing holding it together. But going forward, they have the ability to bring back old school map design, no interactive map components, and all the other elements that have a consensus opinion among the competitive community. They will either start listening to the pro scene on basic game decisions, or the league will be an afterthought within 1-2 years tops.

[@bassma5ter11]

Vanguard is rough man. TTK with lag makes it seem like thanos joined the server. IMO there are good things but the one free weekend was enough for me.

[@sir8085]

We need all flank episodes on Spotify as soon as the video goes up on god

[@deanmaciass]

Ben ain't saying shit he just got a promotion 🤣

[@nilevanood443]

Bro, you don’t know how bad I needed the flank…

[@johnschone3455]

One of the best Flanks despite the Ben announcement and negative comments about Vanguard. This just needed to be addressed in a public discussion. The Flank is a perfect platform for this.

[@bunkgod]

Best flank yet cant wait for more flanks with Pat

[@davidreaper0394]

Would of been dope if he would of said and this is Ben on the flank signing off Legit would of cried haha

[@johnbiondo1394]

Zin so silent during the Tom grvty gas 🤣🤣🤣

[@noting7678]

Every ORG has to get together for something to change just like what happened in RLCS.

[@cam-6539]

Doug makes this talk show so much more interesting with his takes on things. They may not be the smartest takes but they are funny and are so outlandish sometimes. also he brings some excitement when he talks trash.

[@gabrieltorres1929]

NO WAY BRO IF HITCH AND ZOOMA ARE DOING THE FLANK it WILL BE SOME FUCKING HEAT

[@MrFreshhomie]

To the point at 31:00, can’t the owners have a meeting and talk to the devs org?

[@amCrab_]

You need to upload these to Spotify right after they’re recorded. Sucks the only way to listen to it the day after is on KZbin

[@chroniqmusic]

I agree with moth of what was said, but people need to realise CDL/Franchising is a 5-10 year plan, a lot of these Orgs are planning to be in an around the CDL for that time. It will get better. I know recent cod history isn't helping my point here, but we still need to give them time. Don't get me wrong I've been around competitive cod since bo2 and nobody wants to see it strive more than me, but boys we have to have faith. Activision will be stupid to not sort this out, give the community a fucking good competitive title, with open brackets, 32 team tournaments, allow challengers and people below that to compete for the top. Invest/create in lower leagues to help home talent. I'm waffling on but I just want to see competitive cod be the best.

[@rubenpatino390]

We just gotta invest into the flank and make zoomaa a billionaire so that he can become an owner

[@vibez1095]

This episode couldn’t have been posted more perfectly. At work while watching a new episode of the flank LFG!

[@mr.redranger3092]

Honestly the big guns in the scene such as scump, crim, clay, simp, should say something directly to the devs. I think the devs will listen to them.

[@ArtificialWay]

I can’t tell if I love or hate Doug. Not sure if I’ll ever know.

[@cam-6539]

CTF on the 12v12 maps would be intense

[@morgangmble.]

Get pat as co-host. 95% W takes

[@1upJeCK]

CW had dope maps.. great rotations for HP. Lacking on the SND with bomb sites being shit but overall CW was very competitive

[@mellomoose_]

the base cw maps where very underwhelming

[@1upJeCK]

@@mellomoose_ why tho? Checkmate was iffy but had some of the best moments of the year for control and HP, the SnD was kinda bland with bombsites since no one ever took the bomb A long. Miami was prob the worst map for comp most of the year, but Moscow had lot of strategy to it for SND and HP. Garrison was always a mixy map with mostly power positions for strats but played well. Once they added fan fav raid it was one of the better comp cods in awhile. The pubs were always ruined cuz of tac rifles and the new OP guns they added but comp was dope (besides the actual rank system lol)

[@PescaroDB]

Why can't COD just go back to the days of the CWL... also who here is gonna be at HCS Raleigh?

[@blgarndogg9673]

Thing is with the devs they look at pro players like they're pros they want the game catered to smashing noobs or anti noob. When in reality they're just fans of the game and want a good game. If they listened to the pros for example: no doors, no smashable walls, decent maps, good quality spawns, trophies, good maps and balanced weapons what out of that list is gonna turn a casual away? A casual is probably gonna play or quit regardless of those. They're more than likely to keep playing because all that would make a better game anyway. Comp orientated players keep playing because the games well built. What I'm saying is if the core of the game is based for comp or platformed from comp then the game is more than likely gonna be a solid game. Then you just add your other game modes, some other guns etc like normal and you've got yourself a good cod. If they think it's just comp people who hate it they're sadly mistaken. I've got loads of noob mates who don't go on it and have since a month max from launch and same for everyone I known who likes ranked play/competitive. If a games shit a games shit.

[@kasado8038]

Agree with aches on most of the maps outside of bo4 i thought they were great, zinni is also 100% right saying the game mechanics are different thats why standoff wasnt viable last year because cold war was too quick. If they brought out standoff for the first time last year the pros wouldve shit on it

[@FrigginJimLahey]

Friggin Window Doorfare

[@ZybakTV]

Do they ever address how absolute dogshit the game is to play casually in pubs? I'm 1:42:06 in and not a single mention of it. It almost seems like the pros are in their own little delusional world on this. Competitive CoD could be the greatest thing ever but if the actual game people play isn't nobody is going to care. I like competitive Halo and Overwatch because those games are actually fun to watch and play competitively. I used to play COD for the casual arcade shooter/pubstomp gameplay. That's been gone for years now.

[@zygomaa_5119]

Comp zombies pubs all trash everyone I know irl and most friends online have stop playing the game. Or never got ot because it's bad

[@The_Bon_Juan]

Once Aches stops talking over everybody the kid is actually funny

[@NimbleFPS]

Our COD comp. Champs had as many viewers as the first Halo tournament…

[@JMIKE24]

Congrats on the promotion Ben but I’m really gonna miss your vibe and cerebral takes on the Flank. It was the exact balance that was needed between all the madness. Still gonna tune in for every show but your energy will be missed. Gg’s bro.

[@steviegreen8253]

Loony saying don’t get it twisted made me cringe so much and I have no idea why

[@jeremyramirez3269]

Zinni said the last put produced by OhhRoger........ THATS DASHYS MINECRAFT NAME LMAO

[@l.lawliet1838]

Cod now is just a type of game where u play casually after work while drinking a beer playing for an hour.

[@bayy1ee]

10 seconds into Doug talking he brings out the "i gAvE uP mIlLiOns oF DoLlArS"

[@heatrain]

Some say Censor is still trying to talk about vanguard 🤣

[@bob-1980]

Money talks💴 by the way when I say money talks in regard to the situation I mean how much he’s getting paid to suck the game off

[@ojnellyclips]

Actually surprising, these teams pay 25 mill. Only support ive heard for the players is they want crowdfunding. Which should be a thing but that doesnt fix the game. The OWNERS have so much power here, just support your players in wanting HIGHER standards for the damn game!

[@krispyquam5713]

Bro the Christmas aesthetic is FIRE

[@tannermason965]

Ahh Tom isn’t paying the man enough to go full time

[@jsto1999]

There needs to be a org union to stand up to the league, they’ll have more impact then the players

[@Genome69420]

keep doug on the show! hes entertaining!

[@JackHennessey51]

Doug doing his 50 pullups will replace Ben’s golf putt

[@billdavison3937]

its really really really hard to top off worst cods of all time , but damn it seems they have been trying really hard for the past 3 years

[@saadsalman2261]

I love this show but I think after all of that courage makes the best points and actually has some nice constructive criticism and telling what they can do to make it better. Having a specific dev team for comp can be a real fix

[@H-L..]

Finally after a month of release we are having this conversation! Hoped it wouldn’t come to this and sledge could turn their shit around but it’s long overdue!! Lots of us knew this was coming way before release

[@dirty_deeds3523]

Censor was not productive for this conversation, neither was parasite. Both for opposite reasons. It was nice to see aches again and jack too. This was well needed to be heard. Thanks Tom 👍

[@nxxiv436]

Parasite was a joke don’t why they keep bringing him back you can just hear his saltiness that he’s not as big as Scump and just bitching

[@TheEs150]

i loved both

[@Tolsdork]

I always enjoy this podcast, but I gotta say this was a hard one to digest. I know all the conversation comes from a place of both passion & frustration, and I don't think anything said was incorrect, but I wish they would have given Doug his time to shine within the podcast, especially considering the positive outlook that he always has in life & everything he's doing/done. Everyone hates on Doug, but the guy has one of the best attitudes of any CoD personality or person in general, and I think he can offer a lot of quality contribution to these discussions if people would let him have his say. Anyways, keep up the great show, and hopefully Doug will be back!

[@raulmehta9743]

Pat just needs to learn to let other people talk

[@Tolsdork]

@@raulmehta9743 I think they all need to learn to do that, aside from Tommy, as he was very courteous to Doug and several times throughout asked people to stop talking so that Doug could finish his trains of thought. But you're right, Pat was definitely the worse of the bunch, and I think that still just stems from the hate that people have for Doug for some unknown reason, as I don't think the guy has ever done anything to deserve what he gets from the community. Honestly it's a shame.

[@HighriseSuicides]

He gave no insightful points he just said he likes the game lmao

[@iiarsenalii9338]

Ben doesn’t want to say anything cuz he literally works for them lol

[@beikoh]

Amazing shows always 🙏🙌keep up the good work Zooma.

[@CGAR_420]

Doug without a shirt is TOP TIER CONTENT! Keep it coming Tom

[@chriscarter4563]

A strike could help though. What else can you guys really do? I'm sure Activision is anti union just like most huge companies. So strike is the only option. For more job security and an open line of communication with the devs.

[@gabrieltorres1929]

We need a “whistle blower” from activision to come on and give us some words, cover up their voice and only one who should know is zooma

[@deenra]

We should just bring back cold war for a second year and pretend like vanguard never existed

[@kevinviljoen8407]

Its always so funny how when they talk about Optic the chat always says how they suck,but as soon as someone from Optic joins chat they put a W in their name lol

[@Michael-vw4cg]

No shirt Doug playing in the dark? This man is trying to channel his inner demon fr

[@gilgamesh5796]

If I tell you there is a podcast where the hosts are Aches, Zinni, Parasite, and Doug Censor Martin, what would you call that podcast?

[@johntaintballs9720]

SkankFest. 😎

[@Bmanzzz]

Top 32 👀

[@mrbrunchies3048]

“Washed up” 👍

[@thegoat4617]

@@mrbrunchies3048 damn 😂

[@chriscarter4563]

You can't judge the hype solely on twitch metrics though...the only thing courage can judge from twitch metrics is how much money he can suck out of that market. In my eyes if people are watching then they probably aren't playing, some do both at the same time, but I feel like most don't. Maybe that's just me though 🤷

[@MxHusky12]

Nobody is talking about the fact that “Majors” will only have 8 teams

[@bob-1980]

So stupid like what is even the point