Machine, Grind, and Heat Treat HBM Clutch | Lucas Boring Mill 441B Project

This video does not disappoint. Albeit a bit long, it is packed with non-stop action! 227 individual cuts & 6 hours of source footage cut into an hour for your enjoyment. Come back next week for another video!

[@morganblu]

I very much appreciate your non traditional approach from painting the equipment to your machining! Cutting Edge Engineering and you are my favorite videos!

[@bbzecker5921]

I fully agree with you! Interesting! The editing is perfect when it comes to fast forward during repetitive operations. We have enough time to appreciate the procedures while not getting bored by it. Karen at CEE does the same in her video editing. I love that!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks guys I wish I had more help editing I have been a one man band the last three months my editor is taking some time off.

[@lawrencewillard6370]

Add 'Snowball Engineering' also. Another hands on business. Was referred to him by 'Watch Wes Work', see what he does.

[@morganblu]

@@lawrencewillard6370 I forgot to mention Snowball

[@evervigilant]

"Probably not necessary, but I am doing things to the best of my ability." If only more people thought that way our world would be different.

[@Impuritan1]

It’s why I love your channel as you do my favorite things, machine stuff and 3D print things. Swore I’d never have a need for a printer and now I own three of them.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Haha I get it I got one and I want a few more but I don’t really know why

[@joewhitney4097]

Your process narration and the video were great. I enjoy listening, watching and learning with your processes. I appreciate your sharing the content very much. Thank you very much.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you so much!

[@rodneykiemele4721]

Excellent video, Love your videos, Sir. Thank you very much for all that you do.Was wondering if you ever have shown the grinder you used for the internal bore, before ? It looked interesting.

[@johngassmann9581]

I really appreciate the detailed explanation of your design process. It was fascinating.

[@RRINTHESHOP]

Well done Kyle. Thanks for sharing.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks Randy

[@jaredcowell5470]

I’m really loving this boring mill project, Kyle. Thanks for taking us along for the ride. I really appreciate the context you give as to why you make certain design or machining decisions. Great stuff!! PS We need Vanover merch!

[@RichFife]

I typically use my 3 flute Guhring taps to clean holes in material that's in the low 40c scale range.

[@stephenmeeks684]

Excellent work and explanation. Thank you.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

You are welcome!

[@ThePottingShedWorkshop]

Very good job! Congratulations on a job well done!

[@TheAllelluja13]

You can do the heat treat with screws inside the tapped holes to prevent the scale getting there.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Excellent idea

[@gerryoneill8881]

Great work, well done.

[@50shadesofrust65]

Good work and video too. Your channel is becoming my favorite machinery video to watch and learn from.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Wow, thanks! I appreciate that

[@ianloy1854]

Love the work you do. A reason they MAY have made it our of CI is so that it is self lubricating. Steel on CI. You now have steel on steel (I think) and so you will probably need to provide some lubrication to it. Perhaps something dry like graphite powder would work.... Also the tap you used was fine as you were hand tapping and so could stop when you felt resistance. But that type of tap is typically for through holes as it pushes the chip ahead of the tap. A hand tap keeps it in the groove and a machine tap moves it to the back of the tap

[@JohannBorgMyatt-y8f]

Hello Kyle, would you be able to list the link of the tool used to measure the hardness of the part in 54:13 ? Thanks in advance. Keep it up with your content. Huge follower

[@Jacob-64]

Awesome job Kyle. Very interesting project . The part turned out very nice . You now have a new subscriber all the way from the Scottish Highlands here in the UK

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Welcome aboard. Thank you

[@BradleyWilliams-to2oc]

Thinking Outside The 📦 Box ! Excellent Machining. 🇨🇦

[@miguelfernandez2325]

Fantastic job. Well done

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Appreciate it

[@RJMachine62]

Great job! Which hardness tester was that?

[@PatHardesty-q5g]

Good as usual, but did I miss it or what, where did you land on hardness.

[@Chris-bg8mk]

Brother, don’t be hard on yourself. You’re a heckuva machinist and an engineer!

[@peterparsons7141]

Really good video. I think you are going in the right direction with doing in-house heat treatment. The benefits far outweigh any potential downside. In this case you knocked it out of the park, and that should provide sense of pride and satisfaction. But the long term investment in yourself is priceless. Good on you ! You probably going to look back and wonder why you were hesitant, thats another learning experience entirely. Ps. My uncle was real old school, from another world almost. His peers made everything in-house, EVERYTHING! Think Leonard Lee and men like him. North America seemed to loose manufacturing, but I think things are going back the other way. Many new small foundaries today, which used to be very common. With new machines and guys like you, I see a very bright future for North America manufacturing . The part you fabricated was new old stock $7k, I would think you could setup to make a run of XX # and make a profit. But I think it demonstrates this work has a big future especially if 75 years of IC engine production is lacking support.

[@paulpipitone8357]

Kyle print out the US Navy heat treating procedures they are very detailed if you can’t find it I can send you a copy

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

[e-mail] send it over

[@MikeBaxterABC]

1:39 .. I agree 100%!!! ... Soak that machine in the time of your choosing!! .. And it will forever serve you well!!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Indeed

[@euclidallglorytotheloglady5500]

Great work! Definitely deserves a pat on the back!

[@RealSideQuest]

Awesome work, my friend. I work on old Rovers in SLC and can't say how many times having some basic machining skills would save my bacon. Your explanation and attention to detail lets me at least get a ballpark understanding of what goes on and how some problems could be solved from the perspective of a machinist instead of a mechanic.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

That’s awesome keep up the good work. Glad I could help

[@gworx-247]

I like your channel from the first day...always cool stuff 🤟

[@blandp11]

Great video! I'm curious if there was a specific reason you choose not to center drill for the tail stock center but rather used the center with a pusher plate?

[@horus10]

Perfect as always

[@car9167]

What's that tool you use for hardness testing? A name of website where you got it from, would help . Thank you

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

eBay. It’s a Chinese blue tester I think it was about 160$, it’s some Chinese brand.

[@theodoreshasta7846]

PUUURFECT! 👏

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks

[@ColinLennard]

Interesting. Well done! A high standard - that is getting to be normal. Why did/do you put that block at the end where you normally put a hole. Was it because you cut that piece off? there was another piece that you also cut off, what are you going to do with them?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

I am confused what time stamps are you referring to.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@ColinLennard]

@@VanoverMachineAndRepair To explain my questions I'll give you the time so that you can see what I am asking about. 1) 12:09 why the block? 2) 24:41 I don't know what it is called but the way you removed it I thought that you might be keeping it. 3) 39:23 again the way that you removed it I thought it was so to keep it.

[@shootgp]

That's common practice, it's so you can use the tail stocking to help support the weight of a large work piece without center drilling it. This technique is also used in pressure turning thin parts that can't be chucked.

[@johnlee8231]

What kind of tap was that? Didn't look like a normal machine or gun tap. Almost looked like a roll tap?

[@ianm1470]

Yes I was thinking the same it looked like a TiN coated roll tap. Perhaps it produces a stronger thread than spiral or fluted taps ???

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Maybe it was I thought roll taps looked a bit different but I am not an expert. I mostly use gun taps and spiral taps but in smaller sizes that’s what I had on hand so that’s what I used. I’ll look into that though your probably right

[@neffk]

Consider necking down the screws that hold the dogs in place. If you crash the spindle, something is going to break and it may as well be the screws. RTV the screw heads, though, so they don't fall out of their counterbores and get into the ring gear

[@bernardwill7196]

Kyle you made it. The Lucas get a few improvements, that is fine. You can be proud , you are a very good machinist. Greetings from Germany.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks 👍

[@jamesriordan3494]

Great work Kyle -

[@jackpledger8118]

What was the final hardness after tempering?

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

30-34rockwell

[@ronhawley]

Excellent work

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Many thanks

[@leec2106]

I am surprised you did not cut off a large chunk with a band saw leaving another piece for some other project.

[@RayFinkle]

Great work!!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

I appreciate it

[@CrisHarrison]

Question what was the puck thing you put on the live center and why? 😊~~ Cris H

[@seanrodden6151]

I think because he rough faced that end because he was turning that end into a spigot to chuck it the other way around. The puck has a taper and with the cone of the center, it can adjust for slight imperfections in the rough facing. The workpiece was quite heavy at that stage so the puck helped spread the force over a larger area.

[@shootgp]

"Pressure Pad" or "Drive Puck" or some mangled combination of those words is what it's called. 😂😂 It kinda depends on who you ask and how old they are I guess. Any, that is just something you use to help hold a large or heavy work piece securely without drilling a center hole. You can also use them for pressure turning thin material where chucking it would crush it.

[@larry3064]

Very well done 👏

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you!

[@reinholdhummler2459]

sehr, sehr toller guter Job Doppeldaumen👍👍

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Appreciate it

[@fredhoyt6900]

Great video!!!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you!!

[@MyLilMule]

Great work on the piece and the video. For me, tapping holes are the part that scares me the most. I hate to go through all that work and end up ruining a part because a tap broke!

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah agreed

[@shootgp]

Yes Sir, we've all been there. The worst part is breaking the tap on the last hole. Sadly, mathematically, for a variety of reasons, that is always where the tap has the highest probability of breaking....

[@aethelfreda]

​@@shootgpI've broken a tap on the last hole a couple of times. If there is one thing I hate it is tapping blind holes.

[@MrZimmaframe]

So how many hours do you have for the project and cost?

[@samrodian919]

Great job Kyle, that has come out perfectly. A nice bit of awkward machining in those angular clutch dogs too and pretty good for a first attempt ( I don't count the practice runs!)

[@stevechambers9166]

Nice work Kyle 👍👍👍

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks 👍

[@Laura-wc5xt]

Fantastic Kyle . Cheers from Orlando …paulie brown

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Hey Paul.

[@rufustoad1]

Nice work dude

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks!

[@carlbyington5185]

I'm worried...... Now that your making all these parts so stout, The first "jam" your motor's gonna end up lodged into the ceiling somewhere, LOL

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

lol yeah I get that.

[@cvanderput]

great vid! where is the rest? loving your channel

[@deepwinter77]

Nice job

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thank you

[@jasonboyle7898]

Can you leave a link for the heat treat oven please??

[@waxore1142]

You seem to be keeping possible future owners of the machine in mind while you make these parts. That's another reason why i said your like a seasoned machinist. My father was a machinist. Tool and die maker to be exact. He did teach me about that. I see you playing with the part😜. hard not to get creative when hogging off material. lol

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Yeah indeed. Of everyone respects themselfs and others we move forward as a society. When we keep pushing problems off on the next guy it just creates long term issues. If possible I like to stop those issues so the buck stops with me lol.

[@carlbyington5185]

Great job on the tapper work (sorry about the pucker factor) Now, i'm back to getting out a Lexus crank bolt, that a VERY nice person somewhere used Loctite, So far we are on a 8' pipe cheater, No luck !

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Thanks have fun

[@KW-ei3pi]

Excellent work on creating a difficult to machine part. Well done. I was going to ask why you were peck drilling in situations where it really wasn't necessary. But before I did, I went to Google's AI chatbot Gemini, to clarify my understanding. I find that doing so can weed out any incorrect assumptions on my part and separate personal opinion from facts. There are definitely times when peck drilling is necessary, but it's often not necessary in general, manual machining and can just slow down the workflow. Great work that you can indeed be very proud of. Regards.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Peck drilling on start can help with the drill wandering especially if you skip using a spot drill but on deeper drilling it also helps with chip evacuation.

[@lawrencewillard6370]

A wiser one said, make a wooden model first. You did, 3D model is better.😊

[@howardtoob]

OK, so I'm going to give you some advice on the many GREAT videos you generate. PLEASE know that this is constructive. Try to avoid the speaking cadence trap that too many speakers fall into. If you listen to yourself you will notice that your speaking cadence has a pattern instead of sounding natural. Typically there will be a point you are making (you and SO MANY others) and you will have a lilt on the last word of the first 2-4 sentences and a natural ending to the last word of the final sentence. Then this rhythm starts again in your next speaking point. Just let the words flow as if you were speaking with a normal conversational tempo. Watch abomb79, Keith Fenner, Keith Rucker and other people with years of experience. You are doing an outstanding job and I am looking for to watching your continued success. Remember, it's better to sound smart then be smart.

[@garyseverson3094]

I'm sure you're more of a machinist than me, but, oiling the flutes of a drill does absolutely nothing. Cool sound on the facing cuts. Are you trying to imitate Christian Bale, you need to eat. First time here, nice format, cool channel.

[@NatejAlbonico]

you already have the old part to messure off of. seem's like a 3D printed verson is double handling the part. I mean it's cool an all but It does seem like a waste of time. I've done production lathe work. I would have just scratch down some messurements off the old part on a piece of paper and most likely be half way done before you finished the drawing and 3D printed part. I don't see how it's faster. old john henry was a steel driving man.

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

It’s not faster on face value but it saves times in mistakes which is faster. You’re 100% right most the time you machine things you can use the old part as reference. The real advantage is when you’re making modifications to the old part. Once you’re efficient at designing the part, you can design it and print it and spend about 30 minutes during that process and work on something else while it’s printing. Then once the print done, you can use it to test any modifications, and as an assembly, if you need to install it. In the case of this job I change the whole diameter to 9/16. There was also excessive wear on the clutch area on the front and back. 3-D printing help me to model the modification and test it on the machine to ensure that it was going to work because if it didn’t work, I would’ve went back to the original design. Also, I was kind of guessing on the dimensions of the clutches because they were worn so the 3-D printed part allowed me to verify fitment because I didn’t have a good original part to work off of. It definitely depends on what you’re doing if you’re cranking out a small shaft yeah there’s no reason to 3-D print it, but there are certain things that I do like to print just to test it out. In the case of one of my previous videos, I had to make a part that was fit to a worn area so the 3-D print allowed me to test multiple sizes which would’ve saved me time by avoiding scrapping a part. If you’re not used to using a 3-D printer, you can definitely get by without one, but now that I have one I can definitely say it’s better to have the tool and use it when it’s necessary and then not have one at all.

[@JeffreyRodante]

Keith Rucker Avon 79 and cutting an engineering I think they're better than you are

[@VanoverMachineAndRepair]

Cool bro

[@braddobson2060]

You really enjoy bragging about you work it's not enjoyable. If you can't visualize what a part will look like from a drawing maybe your in the wrong trade plus you have the old one