Nice job! I considered making a comparison video like this, but didn't want to get bogged down in arguments with RV owners in the comments. 😆 Bottom line, they're both fine airplanes, as you say. Here's a few points I might add, for anyone else deciding between these two planes: Build and cost: While it's true (or at least WAS true) that the basic Vans kit is cheaper, it takes more hours to complete. If one wanted to compare apples-to-apples, the Vans "quick build" kit takes the same number of build hours to complete as the Sling "slow build" kit. So, if you compared the Vans quick build kit price to the Sling slow build kit price, their cost advantage disappears. And for those going with build-assist, those extra hours the RV-10 build takes will translate into extra dollars. Plus, as you mentioned, the Sling kit is more complete. Once you buy popular third-party interior kits (seats, sidewall upholstery, center throttle quadrant, overhead, etc.) and other options that most RV-10 builders buy to modernize the look of their plane (wing tips, cowling, etc.), you're spending far more on the Vans. And finally, with their recent 30% increase of kit prices, there's no longer any way anyone can say an RV-10 will be cheaper, even without the third-party options. Performance: RV-10 owners will remind you that they can decrease their fuel burn down to 10 - 11gph by running LOP. That's true, but then their cruise speed will be more in the 155 KTAS range, pretty close to the Sling TSi at ECO power. Conversely, a Sling TSi pilot can run at max continuous power and cruise at 165 - 170 KTAS (in the high teens) while still burning only 10.5 - 11gph . So, pretty darn close in terms of cruise performance. Also, while the RV-10 shows a higher initial ROC on a SL standard day, the Sling TSi's turbo means we'll do better in hot & high conditions, and will retain our ROC better as we go up in altitude. So again, in real-world, pretty much a wash. At the end of the day, you'll end up with an awesome airplane whichever way you go. Happy building!
@gregbuildsplanes6 ай бұрын
Thank you, couldn't agree more. both great planes and I've learned a ton from the vans community.
@ibgarrett5 ай бұрын
Ahhhh - good memories of me making my first "why I am building Sling".. Nice overview!
@1shARyn35 ай бұрын
Lower quality aluminum???? They use mostly 2024-T3 with Alclad, which is a much higher quality aircraft aluminum than is used on some other manufactures' models -- and is far LESS likely to corrode without any additional protection. Where did you get your misinformation from?
@gregbuildsplanes5 ай бұрын
There's quite a bit of references with a search for 2024-t3 vs 6061, however, callouts you'll note 2024 is stronger, but more prone to.... cladding helps mitigate... however, you're also drilling holes all over it. The builders in my area all tend to prime it. We have all seen plenty of examples of production aircraft where its fine bare 30-40 years, some add on corrosion-x, whatever. Both are good metals when treated appropriately, Sling builders have a higher level of confidence, by some percentage points on topic, I'll leave it at that.
@okieaero8386 ай бұрын
I'm curious to know the difference between the aluminum you speak of between the two and how you got this information. Mostly Kaiser 2024-T3 aluminum in both kit types. Why is one better than the other? Corrosion is usually an issue in bonding different types of material together. Such as aluminum against steel. It's not the quality of aluminum.
@gregbuildsplanes6 ай бұрын
there's a good reference commentary on the sling forums - www.slingpilots.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49
@paulborror25446 ай бұрын
As stated in the linked video, the aluminum used in the Sling is 6061-T6. Higher corrosion resistance that 2024. There are a handful of steel parts in the Sling kit and they come finished. Paint or powder coat. Not sure. SS rivets are used in a number of places, there they show using a corrosion coating. I'm using ECK corrosion control.
@okieaero8386 ай бұрын
@@paulborror2544 So you depict the quality of aluminum by corrosion resistance?? 2024 is far superior over 6061 in tensile and shear strength. About 40% stronger. That is why 95% of Alum aircraft are built from it. The only benefit to 6061 is the price (it's cheap). Marine grade 5052 is the most corrosion resistant if that's what you guys think matters. Use it.
@paulborror25446 ай бұрын
@ro838 I'm not going to get into a social media contest. You said Slings were made from 2024. They're not. You brought up some galvanic corrosion concerns with dissimilar metals and I responded with what Sling has in their build manuals. One of the big discussions with these builds is whether to prime, alodyne, whatever, the aluminum. That was the subject of the provided link and what I referenced. I'm not a metallurgist and can't speak to the technical differences between 2024 and 6061. I am a customer and trusting the experts at Sling designed their airplane taking 6061 characteristics into account. You have every right not to be a customer and suspect you won't. I'm out.
@okieaero8386 ай бұрын
@@paulborror2544 Okay, Over and out! You referenced the link in which (another guy on the internet) states 6061 is superior over 2024. Well, It is not. Also, I'm not against the Sling, I think it's a cool plane. In the video he states the same mis-information about the material. That is why I made the first comment in the first place. It will be just fine.
@troibandy21394 ай бұрын
After comparing the two aircraft, despite the higher initial cost, I'm purchasing the Sling TSI first!