Vatican II Documents & Their Inflence in the Church

Fr speaks about how the documents of the second vatican council has influenced the Church in the past few decades

[@mulg1]

he was my spiritual director! amazing man!

[@teresabaker-carl9668]

Amazing talk. We need so many more voices crying out in this desert of modernism, proclaiming the truth of Catholicism.

[@TheMWhitmore]

Teresa Baker-Carl yes! Yours and mine included 👍🏼

[@billanderson1606]

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[@troyspiller]

I use to listen to talks like this downloaded off of Limewire back in the 2005 or so. Back then it was Michael Davies and his colleagues. God please make sure these voices are not lost to time and the noise of modernity.

[@larrycera9276]

Hail Mary to you and your Christian Soul Father Goodwin

[@ruthmaryrose]

This is just wonderful! I’m going to look for more of Fr. Goodwin’s lectures.

[@debbie2027]

God rest his soul and bless his mother. Amen

[@hazchemel]

2020 a big and grateful thank you ;). i've watched several videos in your library, by fr. michael davies, and others also. the free education you offer has benefited me much. amongst other things, the knowledge and wisdom of men like the blessed archbishop sheen, who see to the very heart of things, is not a little thing, and gratefully appreciated. is it not said, "if you are fortunate enough to meet a wise man, beat a path to his door. arrive early and leave late."?

[@billanderson1606]

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[@benitaponciano412]

Thank you Father Goodwin! AVE MARIA!

[@annasengendo6973]

loved it. So encouraging. Thank you Father

[@lawmaker22]

i like this what father said how we need to pray, to read, to learn and above all to love God...its not enough to go to sunday mass only...we catholics need to learn about our own Faith, there is so much we dont know and we should. Its so much full, rich, exciting history and theology, more you learn about it more you see that it really is The Truth

[@billanderson1606]

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[@lawmaker22]

@@billanderson1606 nice picture of you

[@tammyjwhaley]

This was and is excellent

[@redpillpharmacy6877]

Now see this new book: Vatican II Exposed As Counterfeit Catholicism, by the Radecki twin priests.

[@TheKevin9000]

At 37:10, what would quoting those documents say that would give the priest reason to force someone to stand for communion? Even before the changes to GRIM 160, the guidelines were to catechize the person after. But even then, just because standing was the norm doesn't mean you can't have deviations from the norm, especially when the whole general norms around the world is kneeling. Standing as a norm is in itself a deviation from the general norms of the church.

[@wingnut13099]

Things are so much worse 12 years later

[@Anon.5216]

I would never go back to the Mass in latin again. I love it in English.

[@raulcisneros7086]

When was this recorded?

[@jimbart76]

What ever happened to Fr. Goodwin?

[@virtuosa77]

James B catholicism.org/please-pray-father-calvin-goodwin-f-s-s-p.html

[@jimbart76]

Thank you for this info. Sorry to hear it. Prayers for Fr Goodwin, especially at Mass this morning.

[@timothymacdonnell9079]

Who is Harvey Cox?

[@tau7260]

2008...It is far more true and far worse than Fr. Goodwin may have imagined, but he knew exactly where it was and where it might lead.

[@patsyk1213]

Vatican II was not dogmatic, by it's own declaration. Therefore it cannot be infallible. Vatican II was pastoral, which means it was a long and expensive bishops' dinner party. What Vatican II said does not matter. It was "much ado about nothing."

[@johnraymond7877]

Not borderline error! Huge error

[@Richard-fv3xc]

Everything you say true! However, we have now been treated to 50 years, and more, of nonsense within the Catholic Church AS IF VATICAN II WAS INFALLIBLE! Let's hope and pray someone in the Vatican wakes up!

[@izbavynasotlukavago]

It was an ecumenical council even though it made no solemn definitions. Its documents are therefore ordinary magisterium and require the assent of the faithful, EXCEPT WHERE THEY CONFLICT WITH TRADITION, in which cases the documents are not ordinary magisterium, and can and should be completely ignored. Therefore the documents as a whole should be considered poisonous to all but well formed theologians, who should in turn put them on the index in order to protect the flock.

[@row1landr]

The free masons have infiltrated the Catholic Church. The great chastisement is at hand.

[@izbavynasotlukavago]

Get on the ball...righto. Is that what you think this is? That the Church pitches us changeups, sliders, and fastballs, and it's our job to get on the ball and try to make sense of their quagmire of ambiguous mish-mash? It has 4 dogmatic constitutions and two popes declaring the council was non-dogmatic. There were no solemn declarations, and there were parts that conflict with Tradition. Go ahead, knock yourself out toying with it. The rest of us will stick with the clarity of Tradition.

[@aristotlecajetan7323]

Could you please be able to clarify for everyone what particularly it is what he said that you agree with. He attempted to make Ratzinger some sort of glorious saviour, also made Woytila sound like some traditionalist. I think this only confuses those who are not well aware of the distinctions between pseudo traditionalist who are only conservative, typical Republic GOP type.

[@KnowledgeInTruth]

Why are we bringing our secular political views, ideologies, bias into the Church, & especially affixing those secular prejudices upon the Holy Father? Maybe, just maybe, we should see the Seat of Peter, the Key Holder, the 'Prime Minister' over the visible 'Embassy' (so to speak, to stay along this political ideology we keep using to view/ interpret the Pope) as CATHOLIC, not inserting our cultural secular views, but understanding and viewing the Catholic Vicar of Christ as Catholic (Universal), rather than left or right, conservative or liberal, neoCon or traditionalist (which is very misleading how 'traditionalists' tend to use this label)..

[@scholasticphilosopher760]

Neo-conservatism has nothing to do with conservatism. It is the shell without the substance, which is what I was trying to say. My apologies if you did not understand the reference. As to politics and religion, they should not be any different for an Orthodox Catholic, who knows the faith as the Church teaches it. Whatever you do in the public sphere, should be exactly what the Holiness of your religion teaches you, and of course by religion, I mean TRUE religion (Catholic) as opposed to false sects/cults/religions. The world is immersed in error, and only the light of the faith will bring happiness to the human heart, and bring you back in relationship with our God. For without faith it is impossible to please God, heretics and schismatics have a human faith. Not a Divine and Catholic faith, illuminated by the One revealing. The prime mover, actualizing actualizer devoid of all potentiality. Yes, that metaphysically necessary Being, that preserves all of us into existence. May he be forever, praised, loved and adored. Amen. Some of the main heresies of Vatican II, precisely deal with the politics side of things. The consequences were enormous as the few Catholic nations were left on this planet, abandoned their Catholicity for a secular society due to the push of Vatican II. Spain, Ecuador and many other smaller nation states who still professed the Catholic position within the public sphere. It's unfortunate, but what done is done. Now the primary issue has to do one concerning the salvation of your eternal soul. Which is to keep the purity of the faith, and not die believing willfully into error and heresy. That is the deeper issue at heart, not concerned too much about what occurs in the greater culture. You are still to be held personally accountable to the one and same judge. Some want to blame everything on everyone else, but the only who can truly damn you is your own actions. It is nice, however, to have great aids available within the culture to help you in the salvation of your eternal soul. Anyways thanks for the response, have a blessed day.

[@Richard-fv3xc]

Excellent point! It is the Truth that sets us free, and our ultimate end is a truth ignored or completely unknown by so many. Is it going to be Purgatory and then Heaven, or an ETERNITY in Hell? All of us today fail to ponder and act on this TRUTH! IN EARLIER TIMES WE READ OF MONKS WHO MEDITATED ON A SKULL, THINKING WITHIN THEMSELVES THAT WE ALL DIE, AND THEN COMES THE JUDGEMENT! IF ONE PONDERS UPON THE EXISTENCE AND WHAT HELL IS LIKE, ONE WILL NOT GO THERE!

[@Richard-fv3xc]

To KnowledgeInTruth, Your question/protest of a year ago seems to have been answered by Scholastic Philosopher. However, I add these remarks. Political distinctions like conservative, neo-conservative, [neo-con], liberal, or whatever, can be extended to describe doctrinal tendencies. However, we should keep in mind that the Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ! It is a divine organism with a limited but real infallibility! We can rightly distinguish the Church Militant, [here on Earth], the Church suffering, [Purgatory], the Church Triumphant, [Heaven]. Because most people act according to what are called their political tendencies, these labels can be loosely used to describe belief! Your emphasis on the reality of the Church being a Divine Thing should, and for centuries has, dictated our conduct! However, political labels are often used to describe tendencies of personal conduct. The distinction between orthodoxy and heresy, although properly descriptive, seems out of fashion, or misunderstood, today. Further, using political terms to describe habits of conduct can be useful in describing someone. Such labels, as you point out, however, can be quite misleading or puzzling. Therefore, if there is any describing to be done, both methods should be used!

[@robert112uk]

Aristotle, all so called Popes from John XXIII to Francis are antipopes and heretics.If a Pope becomes a heretic or is a heretic when elected he automatically loses his office, whether he is recognised as Pope or not. Otherwise you could have a Pope under the influence of Christ teaching heresy which is IMPOSSIBLE!

[@williammcenaney6803]

I agree that Vatican II's ambiguous passages need to be interpreted in light of Sacred Tradition. But I think it's time for theologians to add it that those passages are incompatible with it. Does the incompatibility mean that the Church has stopped being the only on anyone needs to be in to be saved? No, because Vatican II didn't teach anything. That's why Fr. Gregory Hesse argued that Vatican II wasn't a council. So I'll sum up his argument. To be an ecumenical council, a synod of the world's bishops needs to use extraordinary magisterium to define dogma, condemn falsehoods, or speak out against current errors. Vatican II did none of that. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ So Vatican II was not an ecumenical council.

[@redpillpharmacy6877]

See this new book: Vatican II Exposed As Counterfeit Catholicism, by the Radecki twin priests.

[@garyolsen3409]

Vatican II was a pastoral council, even Paul VI said so. It wasn't dogmatic.

[@dormire880]

@@garyolsen3409 “But it [the Council] has invested its teachings with the authority of the supreme ordinary magisterium, which ordinary magisterium is so obviously authentic that it must be accepted with docility and sincerity by all the faithful, according to the mind of the Council as expressed in the nature and aims of the individual documents.” - Pope St. Paul VI

[@dormire880]

a Church council overseen by 2 popes and over 2,000 bishops with each document solemnly promulgated is not an Ecumenical Council? I'd like to try some of the crack that Fr. Hesse was smoking

[@garyolsen3409]

@@dormire880 It was a non-binding pastoral council and is not to be accepted as licit. V II contained four errors, (ie.) 1-Religious Liberty, 2- Ecumenism, 3-Collegiality, 4-The Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church. Also a revision of liturgical books implying a condemnation of rites celebrated for millenniums.

[@andrewangelopacheco9960]

All words attributed to St. John XXlll about the Council, one has to know that he was speaking concerning his Council. His Council was voted out by the Modernist and they then created their own heretical Council. The facts can be found in the Biography of Pope Benedict XVl under the chapter "Council".

[@CatholicK5357]

could you provide a link for this resource please?

[@andrewangelopacheco9960]

@@CatholicK5357 Early this year, the biography of Pope Benedict XVl was released. It was not to be released until after his death per his request. But then he asked for it to be released. The link I can give you is "The Biography of Pope Benedict XVl" in the Chapter on "Council." That changed my whole outlook on Vatican ll and why Vigano called for the Council to be declared illegitimate.

[@CatholicK5357]

@@andrewangelopacheco9960 Do you know where it can be found? When I type it into the search engine all I can find out is that it has been released, but none of the articles point towards where to get a copy.

[@lyricalmike7162]

@@andrewangelopacheco9960 He’s still alive

[@andrewangelopacheco9960]

@@lyricalmike7162 Yes, Pope Benedict XVl is still alive and well. He had requested his Biography not be released until after his death. But he changed his mind and ordered it be released earlier this year. In my opinion, with all that Francis is doing, he must have felt the need for the people to know the truth now.

[@seekeroftruth399]

The teaching that gets us to Heaven is "relationship" with God. That's it.

[@redpillpharmacy6877]

Wrong.

[@margaretboyle8719]

@@redpillpharmacy6877 This "seeker of truth" seeks only that which confirms his/her opinions. Like all heretics, she chooses what to believe.

[@billanderson1606]

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[@walterpaul5046]

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[@billanderson1606]

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[@Pacdoc-oz]

I was born during WW2 in Australia, baptised, catechised in Catholic school, lived in Catholic College at Uni to study science and medicine. The spirit of Vatican 1, ONE, ruled and reigned. We were taught sectarian hatred, forbidden to have anything to do with other baptised people who were not ROMAN CATHOLIC including weddings and funerals. The sacred text was THE CATECHISM, not the Bible. The Jews were reviled at the Easter season liturgy. We went to the Eucharist herded together and fenced off from the real Catholic, the PRIEST, who had his back to us and mumbled in a dead language dressed in robes while waving his arms about and posturing and darting from one part of the holy enclosure to the other. He could do no wrong, he was called Father and must be obeyed. He scolded all the adults. Myself and most of the other boys raised like that spat out this bigoted, dead and ridiculous parody of a Jewish sect preaching salvation by religious works and paying money to the clergy. Much later, I discovered that discerning people called that phase Ultramontaine, the entire institutional church was on the verge of total apostasy. Almighty God, in His infinite love and solicitude, finally found a listening humble man as pope and prompted him to start the recovery programme. The traditionalists, calling themselves the faithful, prepared a suite of documents even more rigid and harsh than those interrupted at Vatican 1, and presented them to the huge gathering in Rome expecting them to be read, passed on the nod, congratulated each other and back to their own lands to do more of the same. Undeterred, the Holy Spirit emboldened and enlightened faithful bishops and theologians and biblical scholars to reject this imperial, dictatorial and centralist pre-emption and vote to throw ALL the documents out and have a real deliberation, discerned and argued under prayer. This man is full of the anger, self-righteousness and clerical aristocracy produced and nurtured in the Vatican 1 church. He was produced by Vatican One just as much as all the pedophile priests were, ordained clerics operating from the 1960s to the 1990s. The Catholic Christians, those who go to Mass, pray, raise their children with the Bible in the language the children understand, pray at home are the remnant keeping the ecclesia, the fellowship of believers, as the faithful on earth, remaining despite the Vatican and Curial corruption and perversion. It is quite clear that this man, and most of the commentators, have not actually read all the documents coming out of the wonderful ecumenical pastoral council which drew on the most expert translations of sacred scripture and the entire record of tradition from the Apostolic Fathers through the generations to the days of the council. It was renewal by repair as much or much more than novelty.

[@soundthealarm5472]

Bla Bla Bla Bla..... The Third Secret of Fatima which was meant to published in the year 1960 at the latest would have exposed and prevented the Council form ever happening. The Publication of the Secret today would humiliate its defenders, crush and obliterate the Council. How can it be a Co-incidence that the Message of Fatima was meant to be revealed by 1960 at the latest? In-between the Pre & Post-Conciliar Church? 33AD and 1962? Pope St. Peter & Pope John XXIII? Council of Jerusalem & the Second Vatican Council? In 1862, St. Bosco made the following prediction: "There will be an Ecumenical Council in the next century, after which there will be chaos in the church. Tranquillity will not return 'till the Pope succeeds in anchoring the ship of Peter between the twin columns of Eucharist devotion and Devotion to Our Lady." October 11, 1997, Fr Laurentin: “The Third Secret concerned deviations from the faith that would arise in the Church after Vatican II’’. Sister Lucy writes to Mother Martins mentioning Vatican II: This is why the devil has made such war against it. And what is worse is that he has succeeded in deluding and deceiving souls who have much responsibility because of the positions they occupy! … They are the blind leading the blind! … And they would want to base themselves on the Council! They do not see that the Council ordered that all the practices be preserved which down through the ages have been done in honour of the Immaculate Virgin Mother of God; and that the prayer of the Holy Rosary, or five decades of it, is one of the principal practices that by order of the Holy Council and the Supreme Pontiff, we are under obligation to preserve, that is to say, we must preserve. I have great hope that the day will not be long in coming in which the prayer of the Holy Rosary will be declared liturgical prayer. Yes, because all of it forms part of the Liturgy of the Most Holy Eucharist. We pray, work, sacrifice ourselves and trust that "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph!" Cardinal Oddi: What happened in 1960 that might have been seen in connection with the Secret of Fatima? The most important event is without a doubt the launching of the preparatory phase of the Second Vatican Council. Therefore I would not be surprised if the Secret had something to do with the convocation of Vatican II… This: that I would not be surprised if the Third Secret alluded to dark times for the Church: grave confusions and troubling apostasies within Catholicism itself … If we consider the grave crisis we have lived through since the Council, the signs that this prophecy has been fulfilled do not seem to be lacking… Fr Joaquin Alonso: Can this intermediate period (which corresponds to the spiritual chastisements announced by the third Secret) be determined, chronologically, as being the one we have been living through, since the immediate Pre-Conciliar period and the Post-Conciliar period? We may affirm in general that this is so, for it is certain that the consecration of Russia has still not been made.

[@ev5413]

Yeah, well, your anti-Catholic parody religion & awful, pedestrian, satanically-inspired "Mass" caused me and 40% of other Catholic high school grads to go straight to atheism. No other religion has a loss rate to atheism like that. That is the fruit of Satan's Council, Vatican II. Your generation is responsible for many millions of lost Catholic souls. IF we get the grace to come back after decades, we find Tradition and the true faith and what evil, evil, diabolic crypto-Protestants robbed us of. I look forward to your generation dying in the next few years and your hideous Churches closing, because everything you do is an affront to the Lord and an abomination that attempts to bury the true Church of the Ages, of which you have no part. You are ipso facto self-excommunicated for heresy. You will receive your eternal reward, unless you take responsibility for what you have done and embrace true doctrine. There are many, many people you have harmed with your heresy, especially the innocent kids you helped lead to hell. You have heretic or non-practicing kids? They're on your head. That is the actual Catholic faith, that you are responsible, you are the spiritual head of the family responsible for their formation. I bring this up, because taking one look at you, I know already that the rest of your family is screwed.

[@garyolsen3409]

You sound very bitter, but if Novus Ordo, an illicit rite, works for you I'm fine with that.

[@lordhonksworth7701]

I'm glad to see this comment. I like 'trads', in that I agree with many of their political views, but their belief that the Holy Spirit was on holidays from 1962-65 during Vatican II is sheer spiritual pride. Particularly since most have never bothered reading the council documents themselves, or simply cherry-pick the parts that support their views. In that aspect they are the mirror image of the liberal 'Catholics' they despise (don't get me wrong, there is much to despise).

[@billanderson1606]

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[@billanderson1606]

Sorry, reads, but you're gonna lose!