Thunder Force V (Sega Saturn vs PlayStation) Side by Side Comparison

[@SEGAHEADDY]

I own both versions and have played the hell out of them. Overall, Saturn wins. However, PS1 does better in some areas: Cleaner texture mapping, clearer audio, added CG movies, more modes, and a higher resolution title screen. Saturn is the original version and has vastly superior overall graphics, as seen in areas like 9:44 and 15:00, more precise controls, and better options (Working Designs took away certain difficulty levels in the U.S. PS1 release). Fantastic game.

[@paxhumana2015]

Why not combine both versions of the game?

[@SEGAHEADDY]

@@paxhumana2015 Go ahead and create a combined version of the game and I'll play it. I'll wait. Just tell me when it's ready.

[@bigballrecall]

If you put your action replay cart into your 32x and insert the PlayStation disc in the Sega CD it will combine the Saturn and PlayStation version

[@raydenedge4569]

I also have both versions and I prefer the Saturn a thousand times. Better sound, better control and more on-screen effects. the psx intro is longer but boring, it doesn't incentivize you to enter the game to kill everyone. The extra effects made by vdp2 make the levels richer and faster in Saturn. Sound is lower on Saturn but much higher quality. On Ps1 it sounds like they're in a tube

[@RuV9999]

imo saturn version have more good quality cinematography. every scene are presented really clean than ps1. but yeah, saturn version don;t have CG movies and remastering audio (especially twin shot's special attack beam PS1 version sounds really kicking!)

[@jiayi2650]

SS: Can we start? PS: Not yet...

[@Illegal_hermit]

....this comment killing me XD

[@raydenedge4569]

Jajajajajaja

[@Vectormantudeoz]

XD

[@royalguard56]

God damnit I wish we’d get a badass old school shooter like this on current tech...4K, surround sound, overmodulated explosions, the kickass Japanese wailing guitar buttrock soundtracks from back in the day...and not some budget $20 download bullshit either...a true, full priced, real budget shooter. Not some ridiculous bullet hell or weird gimmick shooter either, to add to my list of demands. A new Thunder Force, or Gradius, Einhander, Axelay...whatever. I know it will never happen because it’s too expensive now, but a nerd can dream.

[@IndohNintendo]

I would recommend Devil Engine. Creators took alot of inspiration from the Thunderforce series.

[@Zillion3170]

@@IndohNintendo I agree, Devil Engine is an excellent game. I even think some of the old members from Tecnosoft worked on this title.

[@paxhumana2015]

@royalguard56, shut the fuck up, you stupid elitist prick, you, and everyone else that up voted your stupid ass comment! Touhou/Bullet Hell shooters exist precisely because of games like this and the sooner that you realize this shit, the better that you would be in your life.

[@Sakf504]

@@paxhumana2015 Typical butthurt comment

[@Sakf504]

Dariusburst Chronicles Saviours is as solid as a old school shmup, i recommend it.

[@YOUTSUBE-nob]

Thunder Force VはSSの性能に特化して作られているからPSで再現するのは中々に辛いものがある。 SSはBG面が機能として使える事で、無限に続く地面を何の苦労もなく表示出来るので、PSに比べポリゴン数で劣るものの圧倒的な広さを表現出来る。 SSで苦手なポリゴン半透明もBG面を透過側にする事で擬似的に再現出来たり、若干メモリに余裕がある上に拡張も可能だったりと 使いこなすのは難しいが（めんどくさい機械だが）ロマンの詰まったゲーム機であった。

[@marioangeletti2413]

そうですね

[@ぬるたろう-w8e]

特にその差が顕著に出てるのが三面と本動画では割愛されたけど五面なんですよね

[@Neo_Shadow_X]

Alright! ThunderForce! I still have ThunderForce 2,3,& 4(Lightening Force) on Sega Genesis. Great series.

[@luke_y_444]

I prefer the graphics of the Saturn, but +1 for the presentation on PS1 =)

[@ikeaaron]

Dude you can TOTALLY assign weapon select in both directions on Saturn. It literally says 'Armschange (L)' and '(R)'

[@StudioMudprints]

Came down here to say this, leaving satisfied.

[@Illegal_hermit]

I my self prefer assigning weapon on each button on PS version :D

[@scanlinesok]

You can even assign each individual weapon to one of the face buttons and just press the button you want which is quicker than cycling

[@user-ht2js9xx3p]

Exactly!

[@mayazimmerman6130]

@@scanlinesok This is indeed the best way to do it and you can fit all five weapons on the face buttons of the Saturn

[@fecosta269]

Que bom! Aguardo por essa comparação faz anos... mas ela está aí, com a qualidade que só o VCDECIDE proporciona, obrigado e parabéns pelo vídeo!

[@StudioMudprints]

The tone your description has concerning weapon selection is pretty condescending. Give your viewers the benefit of the doubt; the concept you're describing is not that difficult. But it's also incorrect. The Saturn *does* give the player the option to assign another button for weapon selection in the opposite direction. "Direct" control also exists in both versions, which maps a single weapon to a dedicated button, and the Saturn Pad is much better for this setup with its six-button layout.

[@morrowlterraslove]

Also it’s not like it’s been like that since the previous games and got used to it even though it’s not much issue for me I have not play Saturn but it’s nice that Perfect System streamline it on default settings

[@m.jordan5181]

I don't think he intended to be condescending at all. However, you are correct -- the Saturn actually has the better control setup due to the 6 face buttons.

[@FuerzaAzteca1000]

Both great ports, but at the end, Saturn is the winner.

[@Sega90s]

Saturn wins in graphics besides the transparencies. It would be interesting to see if any frame rate differences are apparent between the two.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

Saturn has more slowdown, I can tell you that.

[@TS-yz3ud]

@@SEGAHEADDY But, like you said, it's still better.

[@crazyoldschool6342]

@@SEGAHEADDY sometimes slowdown is a good thing when it came to these shooters.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

@@crazyoldschool6342 Haha totally agree! Especially in a bullet hell shooter.

[@tecnosofttechnosoft3426]

Here is a comparison which does justice to the Saturn version although the PS1 version remains completely correct with these additional modes, these musics, scenes of introductions, etc. Thank you for your contribution !

[@hiroyoshi8068]

さすがにポリゴン表現のほうはPSのほうが綺麗だが、背景や彩度は好みもあるがサターンのほうが明瞭で見やすい。プレイするならサターンのほうに軍配があがるね。

[@Mr.Atari2600]

9:45 biggest difference is right here. PS1 has a simple flat layer on the floor with noticeable texture warping. Saturn has Multiples layers underneath the Flat the Layer less texture warping, more fog effects, better textures, & an overall more detailed background.

[@xtremegold2950]

thats 1 sample but if check the first stage on the saturn the ocean background version looks flat simple and less color the ps1 version does have better background parallax on stage 1 both games have some advantages on stages but the saturn wins here mainly beacuase of NO lag on gameplay..

[@さが-z3s]

サターン版の方が背景が細かい演出があるね

[@zendher]

Saturn bem melhor, muito mais efeitos gráficos, o PS1 muitas vezes parece uma navinha em frente um fundo fixo

[@oleschoolgamers]

3:47 says it all, Saturn has so much more detail in the graphics and background detail.

[@bio-cancer1903]

BG面持ってるサターンの方が背景スクロール豪華やね サターンの勝ち

[@yandman26]

I love this game, a lot of people dont card for the graphical style. I think it's one of the best in the series.

[@alanmrtns61]

Falando ainda de transparencia, a própria arma Wave no jogo é transparente no Saturno, além de vários efeitos aparesentados nos ataques dos chefes serem tmb. Sobre os conteúdos extras apresentados na versão de Ps1, foram adicionados pq o game foi lançado bem depois.

[@RAMCARTGAMER]

PSX got the port this time. Saturn Wins in ALL departments here.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

Saturn wins, but not in all departments. Saturn's sound is a bit muffled in comparison and the PS1 version has slightly cleaner texture mapping. PS1 also has added presentation elements like more CG movies, more modes, and higher resolution title screen. Overall, though, Saturn version is best.

[@RAMCARTGAMER]

@@SEGAHEADDY I guess so, But, the intro film is rubbish any way, i would have preferred a manga/anime intro. as for the sound and title screen.......😏 Meh, back then we all had CRT's, this was fine for the standards we was use too. I think most of the development time on PSX was spent trying to mimic the VDP's of the Saturn, rather than focus on the strengths of the PSX, They should have made a New Thunder-force Side game for PSX using the hardware more creatively. I would respect that. Love the Saturn and PSX!!! Great Times!

[@RetrOrigin]

The game doesn't really look that great to begin with and the Saturn version like always has those horrible fake / dithered transparencies.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

I own both versions and play em on my CRT. Saturn via s-video and PS1 via PS2 slim with component... can still easily see when something is higher resolution. Audio is easy to hear the difference when changing inputs on the TV between each version of the game. Hell, pause this very video when the title screen is shown for both and you'll see the resolution difference.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

@@RetrOrigin And yet there are moments when Saturn has cool transparent effects that the PS1 version is completely lacking. See 12:10 and 15:00. But yes, the light rays coming through the forest in Stage 2 are the usual mesh ones.

[@segat-800]

Saturn VDP2 being put to great use here. Down side is the mesh transparencies which look ugly as usual. I'd rather just solid colours. Sound effects are clearer on the PS1.

[@TS-yz3ud]

Sounds aren't better though. Also, just be grateful that at least some transparent objects are actually transparent.

[@christianpalmer225]

Mesh transparencies don´t show on a CRT (tube TV) like they do in HD. In fact, they look just like regular transparencies. On an HD screen, though, they´re not pretty. On a CRT screen the pixels glow a bit and that causes the mesh to blend visually and look like legitimate transparencies. That´s probably why so many developers took that shortcut in the 90s--nobody could tell anyway.

[@TS-yz3ud]

@@christianpalmer225 That makes perfect sense. Too bad it only worked in the short term.

[@segat-800]

@@christianpalmer225 It depends on the cable used. I played the Sega Saturn via scart cable way back in the mid 90s and the mesh effect was very noticeable to me. I didn't mind too much as the scart cable picture quality was great for it's time.

[@CubamusPrime]

@@segat-800 me to. Specially Nights Into Dreams

[@christianpalmer225]

Even though Saturn could indeed do ¨real¨ transparencies (it was just a bear to program for), the mesh transparencies look identical to real ones on a CRT (tube TV) like you would have been using in 1995. I just played through Toshinden Remix, notorious for mesh transparencies, and no mesh was visible, just a clear transparency. The way the pixels glowed and bled into each other on an old-school TV made this a non-issue, which is probably why so many developers didn´t bother learning how to use VDP-2 to make real ones. If you have a Saturn and an old CRT-TV, check it out yourself.

[@chrisw8069]

Should have called the Playstation version "Thunder Force V Imperfect System"

[@m.jordan5181]

Ouch, dude. It's still a fine shmup. It's just *inferior* to the SS version.

[@999lazerman]

Nice! Thanks for making this! From what I can tell the Saturn version of this game has better backgrounds, but the PlayStation one version has better sound effects and more content!

[@m.jordan5181]

The "control situation" on the SEGA Saturn (SS) version is actually a non-issue after all... due to button remapping options. The six face buttons available on the Saturn controller allows for each weapon to be assigned to a button specifically (via the Direct input option). This is almost instantaneous full weapon accessibility and it's even more convenient than toggling back and forth altogether. It's the way I've played this game since release. NOTE: The LB/RB toggling back and forth 'can' still be done on the Saturn version too, via changing control options.

[@TIOJOHNGAMESREAL]

Saturn a melhor com certeza. Se o PS1 é tão bom em transparências, por que removeram diversas transferências das fases? Porque num monte delas tem transparências só na versão do Saturno? Há os dois tipos de transparências na versão do Saturn e em várias fases, temos elas apenas no Saturn, sem falar das distorções, que como você mesma disse, só tem no Saturn. Outra coisa é que você falou muito tempo sobre a configuração dos botões do Saturn, só que nas opções do Saturn é possível configurar os botões L e R para a troca de armas, como no PS1, caso prefira. Também é possível configurar cada botão exclusivamente para cada arma. Se a sua preocupação é a troca rápida de armas, a versão do Saturno é a que mais lhe atende. Também é possível jogar com o controle analógico nas duas versões. Não há oque questionar. Mesmo com algumas perfumarias inúteis, a versão do PS1 não supera de forma alguma a versão do Saturn, que conta com os melhores efeitos, inclusive com transparências e distorções exclusivas, além é claro, de ter o melhor controle e os melhores gráficos poligonais, sem texturas tremendo, como na versão do PS1. Like (Eng comment) Saturn the best for sure. If the PS1 is so good at transparencies, why did they remove several transparencies in the PS1 stages? Why do a lot of them have transparencies only in the Saturn version? There are both types of transparencies in the Saturn version and in several stages, we only have them on Saturn, not to mention the distortions, which, as you said, you only have on Saturn. Another thing is that you talked a long time about the configuration of the Saturn buttons, except that in the Saturn options it is possible to configure the L and R buttons for changing weapons, as in the PS1, if you prefer. It is also possible to configure each button exclusively for each weapon. If your concern is the rapid change of weapons, the version of Saturn is the one that suits you the most. It is also possible to play with the analog controller in both versions. There is nothing to question. Even with some useless perfumeries, the PS1 version does not in any way surpass the Saturn version, which has the best effects, including exclusive transparencies and distortions, in addition to, of course, having the best control and the best polygonal graphics, without the crap warp textures, in the PS1 version. Like

[@richarddean8882]

Ue se tem essa configuração de controle no saturno, então é empate na jogabilidade e Vitória nos gráficos, no vídeo ela não menciona que tem essa opção fiquei pensando que atrapalha e muito á estratégia. Enfim saturno vence.

[@cerealkiller2222]

Sega Saturn don’t have a problems with the real transparency, the problem was very complicated for the developers use the multiprocessor power, many games in Saturn running using only the half or less the real power of the console….. even with that Saturn is a impressive console, games who used both processor demonstrated the real power and superiority of Saturn

[@DarioSen]

What games in particular? I still own the Saturn with several original games

[@magalhaes5243]

A versão do ps1 pode até ser a mais atualizada e ter uns extras, mas perde em detalhes gráficos e no quesito qualidade sonora. Lembro bem que tive as duas versões, joguei muito a do saturn, adorava a trilha sonora. Tempos depois adquiri um ps1 e peguei a versão dele, e fiquei decepcionado com a perda de qualidade no som. Saturn é muito melhor no quesito sonoro, e esse jogo mostra isso. Fora os efeitos extras que trazem um agrado a mais.

[@watcherman222]

Nice. You finally compared Thunder Force V SS & PS1! From my experience SS had better graphics but PS1 had better sound & some extra content.

[@TS-yz3ud]

I didn't think the PS1 port had better sound.

[@KarcusKorpse]

@@TS-yz3ud Haven't played the SS version but the video does make the PS1 version seem like it has more distortion.

[@DeltaWave16b]

「何故RANGE1フリーレンジのオーバーウエポンで瞬殺しないんだろう？」と思いかけて、これはRTAやスコアアタック攻略動画ではなくBGとポリゴン表示の差異を見せる為の動画だと気付いた。 ボスや中ボスは攻略に時間掛けると段々厄介な攻撃しかけてくるので瞬殺しないとこっちが危ないんだけど、その攻撃パターンを一通り見せたいんだ、と。

[@igodreamer7096]

Doidera, nunca nem ouvi falar mas foi uma boa comparação! =D

[@andersongadelhafontoura4346]

Eu só joguei a versão de PS1 msm. Mas me parece q a resolução no Saturn é maior. Dá pra ver a nave com mais detalhes (ela esta maior) e os chefes ficam mais bem enquadrados dentro da tela de jogo na versão do Saturn. Acredito que seja isso também porque até na barra de info em cima (no Saturn) tem mais textos e detalhes do que na versão de PS1. Se eu estiver errado me corrijam pfv.

[@ciredecgellar8232]

the game was released a year before on Saturn and has the luxury of being much more successful graphically .... as for Grandia when the ports are done in this direction, the PS1 does not really compare.

[@thewoodentechnician3529]

I prefer the Saturn version ironically because the weapon switching is instant. if you switch the buttons to direct mode in the options the Saturn's controller will fire the weapons in sequential order. weapon1 = a weapon 2 = b and so on. just press the button that you need and when you need it. no need for a weapon switch button at all.

[@m.jordan5181]

💯

[@m.jordan5181]

Direct mode is the way to go.

[@giovannimarcelodasilva768]

Versão do Saturn Ganha essa Marotinha,e aos 7:33 mostra que no Saturn tem mais efeitos e um fundo mais bem trabalhado.

[@punkbianoretrogamer4314]

SATURN WINS...🤘🤘

[@alphatrion100]

But the saturn really lost because nobody bought them. And now its considered cool to like it more than the ps1

[@modernsalah4314]

My memories on PS1

[@tenentescop12games14]

Suas análises são perfeitas, meus parabéns 🇯🇵

[@NextGenCouncil]

Saturn aside from transparencies. That first level underwater was killin PS1.

[@animaster30]

3D 게임인데 새턴판의 퀄리티가 좀 더 우세하네요. 특히 게임의 배경은 확실히 새턴판이 좋습니다.

[@32LY]

Saturn version is the best with some more details but ps version is great too🤩 Saturn pc engine lovers🙃👍

[@Shoometsu]

Só um adendo, o Saturn possui sim dois botões pra troca dr armas. Eles precisam ser configurados no options, no modo Edit

[@yossie_k]

あまり触れられていないが、サターンのSEのキレは本当に秀逸で 爆音やギミック音等全てが鋭く それがクリアなプレイ感につながっていると思う。

[@bluenomad73]

The PS version is good. But Sega Saturn is a weapon. The PS cannot compete with the Saturn's VDP2

[@bluenomad73]

You're right. The Saturn is weapon. The Playstation has no chance. The transparency effects and depth of the Saturn graphics is phenomenal.

[@pashaxyz9496]

o Saturn FAZ transparência real. A dificuldade é que ela( a transparência) não pode ser aplicada em absolutamente todas as situações de um jogo. Pra usar de métodos que 1 ou 2 jogos usaram pra transparência( Burning Rangers), que foram além dos jogos anteriores , é provavvel que a Technosoft não tinha esse conhecimento de usar a manobra usando ambos VDPs. Mesmo assim isso teria algum custo de latência, o que poderia deixar o jogos meio lento . Transparência não tem jeito, mesmo o Saturn fazendo nativamente, o PSX se dá consideravelmente melhor, pois o efeito pode ser usado praticamente em qualquer situação do jogo. Tb tenho a impressão que os polígonos "dançam" menos na versão do PSX, por incrível que pareça. Ja no efeito de "distorção " de background, o Saturn leva uma vantagem clara, sem dizer que faltam backgrounds e "foregrounds" em alguns estágios da versão do PSX. Fase 3 por exemplo que se nota rapalaxx scrolling no piso do cenário(2 cenários no piso). No PSX não tem..,, Luta contra Alguns Bosses( fase2) o FOG é desabilitado bem antes no PSX. Nas fases posteriores o efeito de FOG tb foi retirado do PSX. Eu fico com a versão do Saturn, principalmente porque é o console que tem o melhor controle pra jogos 2D e poligonais com perspectiva 2D, como é o caso de TFV. O Dualshock salvou esse game no PSX, pois jogar com aquele digital péssimo é uma tortura pra mim... A parte "boa" é que a versão do PSX tem a função de vibrar. Mas mesmo assim, fico com o Saturn.

[@fqnfinancas3431]

belo texto explicativo, parabéns

[@jason.kchantziaras8456]

I have the Saturn version I think it’s the best. The transparency effects in stage 2 on the Saturn version aren’t a dethered mess And stage 5 there’s a transparent fog affect. That the PlayStation doesn’t have Plus some stages on the PlayStation are darker and missing colour

[@alexfirehouse5229]

excelente video ganhou + 1 inscrito!!por favor traga + outras comparaçoes de games de nave ( Shmups) tem uma grande comunidade!!!e mt sucesso ao canal!

[@TwistedIdentity]

Saturn version looks much better IMO. I'd have fun playing either one though.

[@ZZ-vt7tt]

I played the PS1 version only, watching the video I missed the CG intro with the plot of the game being narrated. That was a plus to the game, gave it more depth.

[@alanmrtns61]

O nome técnico do efeito de ondulação que vc se refere, chama-se FOG. O mesmo não era aplicado no Ps1 devido a falta de memória ram, pois todos sabemos que dos 2MB disponíveis no console, somente 1MB poderia ser utilizado pelo desenvolvedor para jogos, sendo os outros 1MB restantes setados defaut para vídeo. A decisão se deu por conta do chip de compressão de vídeo colocado no console. Já o Saturno não tinha essa limitação de ram, onde os 2MB disponíveis poderiam ser usados livremente pelo desenvolvedor.

[@sinister8739]

FOG não é efeito de neblina?

[@DTM-Books]

Can we please let go of the “real transparencies” thing? It’s becoming embarrassing. If it’s really that much of an issue for you, simply use composite cables on your Saturn. Voila! Problem solved! Anyway, it’s no surprise that TF5 is better on Saturn, as that was the platform it was designed around. Changing that to the PSX architecture without making significant cuts would have been too difficult time consuming or expensive to achieve. This game was created to take advantage of Saturn’s unique 2D/3D design, and it just can’t work on Sony or Nintendo. Once you reach Generation 6 consoles, it’s easy, but for Gen 5, it’s Saturn or bust.

[@ciredecgellar8232]

completely right, the games on Saturn are optimized for composite.

[@levisiteurdumultivers4191]

This game is gold

[@paulgraham4567]

Cost's as much, especially the saturn version.

[@bmwisetta300]

Jogasso em qualquer versão..👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@juniormena8065]

Sega Saturn me surpreendeu nesse jogo.... realmemte... achei bem melhor que a versão do PlayStation.

[@julianobitsgen]

Nunca considerei o fato de haver apenas um botão de troca de armas nesse jogo uma deficiência ou mesmo fraqueza. Afinal, é assim que se jogava Thunder Force desde o Mega Drive. Nas versões 2, 3 e 4 se fazia assim.

[@miguelangelceballosvicario6070]

I’m sorry, but I’m afraid you can ser two weapon select buttons at the option screen in the Saturn version, so you are lying, and the Saturn one is best in playability too…

[@megaruhe6296]

Saturn.

[@dandonovan4850]

As duas versões são muito boas. No entanto fico com a do Sega Saturn como a melhor entre elas.

[@vram1974]

We need a remaster! Just give the gfx a shot of 2021. Don't mess with anything else!

[@afriend9428]

*SEGA SATURN is the winner however the sound and music is better on PS as SONY has always been the experts on sound I guess?!?!?* ⭐️

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

Makes sense. Sony provided the sound chips for every sega console pretty much pre-playstation.

[@qwertyzxcvbnmasd]

@@RazorEdgeBullie Sega used Texas Instruments SN76489 and Yamaha chips in their consoles

[@vanderleihomemdebem6811]

Controle eu entendi Numa jogatina a Variante entre a Arma 3 e 4 no ps1 pode ser alternada livremente ao passo que vc sempre estara 1 ou 2 cliques de Todas as armas - 2 cliques da 3 pra 1. Ja no Saturn se vc ta na Arma 4 vc tera que dar 3 cliques pra chegar na arma 3 e se passar ou errar tera que dar mais 3 a 4 cliques isso numa jogatina intensa dar 7 cliques pode representar a Morte. Um jogador experiente talvez erre 2 a 3 vezes durante o jogo e um jogador casual erre mais de 10 vezes durante a jogatina. Entao errar a arma no Saturn tem um valor punitivo maior alem de nao ter um botao pra retroceder caso erre.

[@Ashura893]

Outros jogos que lembro que tiveram versões revisadas: Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2, Castlevania SotN e Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Sobre as transparências, a ironia é que o SNES e o Mega Drive faziam este efeito melhor que o Saturn (vide as sombras dos personagens em MK3 nos 16-bit e a sombra pontilhada no 32-bit da Sega, he he).

[@fqnfinancas3431]

Engano seu amigo, o Saturn fazia transparência com facilidade em gráficos 2D, o problema era mesmo no 3D.

[@kudratortikov1204]

Sega Saturn's version is better for me...

[@dougfunnie8887]

A versão do Saturn é melhor. Quanto a jogabilidade, a mudança de arma, ambas as versões tem uma configuração de controle(Button type B) onde cada arma fica em um botão.

[@paxhumana2015]

English, please.

[@JJRNANDI]

Sega Saturn wins !!!

[@TboneTenEighties]

Looks like the PS version cut some corners to make it happen. Saturn version is better obviously but the PS version isn't bad at all. I have the PS version and would love a Saturn copy...that will have to wait. I just plunked down some $ for Souky to add to my beloved Saturn shmup collection. Nice video!

[@princegroove]

I love both versions and devices. 👍

[@segat-800]

Which one do you prefer?

[@TheSonicbandicootX]

both version are amazing

[@marioangeletti2413]

Saturn the best

[@xtremegold2950]

they look very similar. but beacuase thunder force was a exclusive series for sega hardware the saturn wins i dont see no lag on the saturn version plays smoother the ps1 did had some advantages in some areas in graphics backgrounds like the ocean first stage. but lags on some stages remember.the ps1 was a port this is like symphony of the night..plays much better on ps1 with no slowdown and no dithering on the saturn castlevania S.O.N is inferior

[@Freshbrood]

Excellent on both but PS1 wins with the extra content.

[@phoenix75888]

They both look rough in my opinion. Saturn has some effects like fog that are missing on the PSX. Some level design choices are just different, not necessarily better than the other. However, I'm noticing better textures and better overall detail on the PSX version. The backdrops also look more vibrant on the PSX.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

I dunno about PS1 having more vibrant backgrounds... 6:18 looks much more vibrant on Saturn. Same with 9:44. 15:00 is more vibrant on PS1 because it's completely lacking the transparent swirly fog effect, which is a negative not a positive.

[@phoenix75888]

@@SEGAHEADDY Hard to take anything you say as unbiased with a handle like that. I will admit to the flawed backdrop observation though. I still stand by my statement about the textures.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

@@phoenix75888 I agree 100% on the cleaner texture mapping. Trust me, I'm not biased. Check out my other comments on this video and you'll see I give credit where it's due for each version of the game. BTW I own both versions ;)

[@ネコのま]

今でこそSSとPSのゲーム比較で色々な相違が動画で見れるが、この時代の情報源はほぼ紙媒体なので半透明処理ができないでメッシュ表現は評判が悪かった。そうはいっても正直SSの敗北を決定づけたのはFFなんですけどね。（異論は認める） そして、画面全体などの半透明処理はBG1画面つかって出来ることを初めて知った。 全体的にSSのゲームってこだわりがあって表現が細かったりするので、両方とも所持してるならSS版を買いたい。 特に格闘ゲームは動画じゃないと判らないキャラクターモーションパターンの数はSSの方が多く、動きも良く、それなのに読み込みも早かった気がする。

[@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE]

Português: A versão do PS1 até que não parece tão ruim,mas poxa vida: Naquela geração,em questão de jogos 2D, ninguém batia de frente com o Saturn,o bicho era programado pra isso. Ele era um monstro em jogos assim. English: The PS1 version doesn't look bad,but jeez: In that generation, regarding 2D games,no one could match the Saturn,the console was programmed for it. It was a monster in this type of games.

[@Kowichi-g6k]

背景の処理と音質は2Dに強いサターンが勝ってる。スペシャル版(サントラCD付き)持ってたけどサターン手放してプレステ2に替えてからPS版パーフェクトシステムやったけどポリゴン数や半透明処理とかムービーや追加要素があるけどサターン版やった後だとやはり物足りなかったかな。とはいえプレステ版も駄作では無いので一長一短かな。1～5までの全シリーズ(1のコンストラクション含む全バージョン、2のX68版、メガドラ版2～4、AC、スピリッツ、ゴールドパック1＆2、サターン版5、PS版5)収録したコンプリートコレクションいつか出して!!

[@MsonicBoom]

Gráficos do PS1 resumem-se a polígonos tremendo e transparências para camuflar.

[@alexandredossantosfrederic4034]

Pra mim a do saturn é mais detalhado e me parece ser a melhor versão.

[@yuvraj01]

Mesh transparencies and Saturn go hand in hand, it was always the Saturn's achilles heel..

[@Jonathan-fs7es]

From what I understand the Saturn can in fact do perfect transparencies but the programmers have to go in and flag each pixel that needs to be transparent then write code at the time to hand it over to VDP 2 or something. Basically 1 chip can't do it, but another chip could do it so it had to be handed to that chip... The Saturn's real downfall was the 8 different CPU's it had in it (I think it was 8?) Really I don't think any game out for the Saturn used 100% of the resources. Way too complex to code for. I would loved to have seen what someone could really pull off on that system though. I suspect tons of untapped potential.

[@yuvraj01]

@@Jonathan-fs7es which sums up why many developers flocked to the PSX instead of trying to work out how to get the best out of a console that was needlessly complex, and ended up having a significant impact on the future of Sega as a hardware developer...

[@Jonathan-fs7es]

@@yuvraj01 For sure the PS1 won that gen for multiple reasons, cheaper media with more storage helped it kick the N64's butt, then ease of development helped it win against the Saturn. It just made the most sense to develop for from a sheer money perspective.

[@TonimanGalvez]

I have both versions, but I played the PSX version in the 90s, I do not mind, PSX version is very good for me.

[@TheCharles3232]

essa free range é a mais forte arma?

[@aderitosantos1695]

Prefiro Versão pixelado texturas Saturn deu bem aproveitamento​ chip gráficos 2d para fins texturas transparência, do que versão textura mapeada da PlayStation, cenários alta resolução ficou vazia sem vida...

[@uribe_ramon]

- Mom, can I has Thunder Force V? - We have Thunder Force V PERFECT System at home. Thunder Force V Perfect System at home: ...

[@davshan8482]

Cool. Saturn music sound quality is much better than PS

[@vlogdotom14]

trilha sonora desse jogo é fantástica

[@ShmupsBR]

Só um toque: "Updates sutis", não "súteis". Parabéns pelo vídeo!

[@LexMalin]

Saturn

[@fqnfinancas3431]

A versão Playstation é bem competente, como veio 1 ano depois, colocaram conteúdo extras, que dar uma melhor apresentação ao game. Agora, a questão de jogabilidade, concordo que é interessante e facilita durante a jogatina. Mas isso não significa que a jogabilidade do Saturn seja ruim, eu conseguia transitar com facilidade as trocas de armas na configuração padrão. Lembrando que você podia configurar o controle pra deixar com a troca de armas em dois botões. Assim eu diria que isso é mais um detalhe de jogabilidade, porque em ambas versões o controle da nave é bem tranquilo e fica na mão do jogador totalmente. Agora em relação aos gráficos e a qualidade sonora, é indiscutível que a versão do Saturn é superior. Então, eu diria que as duas versões se complementam e o ideal é jogar as duas. Eu pessoalmente prefiro a versão do Saturn, pelo desafio e o aspecto técnico, mas achei legal também jogar a versão PS1. Só um detalhe, na versão PS1, é mais rápido exterminar os inimigos e com a troca de arma mais fácil, o jogo em si ficou mais fácil. Pra quem curte desafio com certeza notou isso. É isso, um jogão em ambas versões! Um dos melhores shooter em up já criado de todos os tempos!

[@lordraptor5042]

Eeeeh... Saturn has some better effects. But the PSX has better sound ( better sound choices too ) better texturing and better resolution to boot. The background on stage 4 when descending downward, the PSX represented with some more abstract Background. While I like some of saturns designs in stage 4 , the better resolution in psx wins and their background aint so bad either. Saturns color pallet is a little darker overall. I love em both to be honest. Im a big audio head myself. I have to say its a tie. I wish their was a hybrid with the best of noth worlds.

[@m.jordan5181]

For years, and well before this channel was created, I have been a huge fan of this title regardless of platform... but for Tecnosoft's ThunderForce V, I give the nod to the *SEGA Saturn (SS) version* for various reasons. I found that the Saturn's graphics were indeed superior 'throughout the game'. The two later stages not shown in this video (+ the Final Stage) also look noticeably better on the SS as well, with effects outright missing from my Playstation's "perfect" system edition. Having said that, I actually don't think ANY of the 5th gen polygonal shmups look all that great, regardless. But the Saturn clearly wins graphically between the two versions. However, it's not just the graphics that favor the SS version's TFV -- both *control* and *sound* are better in the Saturn version as well. The sound effects aren't properly mastered in the ps edition. "Perfect" system sounds more echoey and "less punchy" in actual live stereo, whereas the SS original version doesn't have that problem at all. The Saturn version's audio is both crisp and impacful through my stereo. The Playstation edition's music was also inexplicably altered 😞. Why, oh why did they do that?? The Saturn version's soundtrack was pitch perfect 👈 and is the Gold standard for this game's OST in my opinion. I was quite excited to get the ps1 "perfect system" edition version, but hearing the "altered" version of certain music tracks was a let down for me before my first run was even completed. The Saturn controller is yet again outright preferable. The 6 face buttons can be re-mapped to accommodate direct access to each main weapon OR you can customize how you want, including (L)(R) toggle. And the Saturn's D-Pad is peerless for 2D control. Speaking of extras, my Saturn version even came with a second disc that contained music from every title in the ThunderForce series. I still have that light blue CD. Tecnosoft also treated Saturn owners very well by doing the two ThunderForce Gold packs (they were SS exclusive, just like the music CD). And SS also got Hyper Duel exclusively. So after all that, I feel like Playstation deserved to have the added intro and art gallery content, etc tossed into the "perfect system" aka 'ps' edition of this game. Unfortunately, in the end, the novelty wore off quickly -- the things they added to the ps edition turned out to be totally trivial additions for me personally. But at least there was "some" effort made in order to compensate us double-dippers. 🙂 While you can't go wrong with either version of this awesome shmup classic, the SEGA Saturn version is the clear winner here with ThunderForce V.

[@rodrigoc.teixeira5242]

Sega Saturn o do outro mundo

[@HielUFF]

Saturn the best console forever !!

[@SionynJones]

for its time it was impressive but massively inferior to the megadrive classics

[@RAMCARTGAMER]

True story, The Mega Drive versions was "State of the Art's".

[@digaolima1021]

Saturn Wins!

[@zosxavius]

Backgrounds take a serious hit on the psx port. There's no reason they couldn't have been on par with each other too. All the sprites and foreground objects look mostly identical. Clearly this was well optimized on the Saturn and concessions were made in porting it over.

[@NeverbeGoodat]

I wish i had played the saturn Version instead the PSX one. But still i favor the PSX Version because the awesome Soundquality.

[@Subninja2012]

The PS1 needs a rom hack adding some of the graphical flourishes of the Saturn.

[@Extravaganza50667]

@5:20 Saturn got slow down .. but PS didn’t

[@waynecuff3140]

Around the 11 min mark check out the floor detail the Saturn kills it 👌

[@panzerdragonlegend6664]

Thunder Force V Saturn the Best Brutal