VCF East 2024 + Museum Tour + PDP8 Fun!

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Usagi Electric

Usagi Electric

Күн бұрын

VCF East 2024 + Museum Tour!
One event I’m always looking forward to is VCF East. Not just because it’s a stellar congregation of amazing people, but because there also happens to be one heck of a museum on campus as well. Let’s take a walk through the event, look at some of my favorite exhibits, and then hang out in the museum, and maybe even get hands on with one of their machines.
I had an absolute blast hanging out and learned a ton! Can’t wait until next year!
For more information on the museum, check out this link:
vcfed.org/museum-info/
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The Runaway Five Title:
The Shinra Shuffle ocremix.org/remix/OCR01847
Thanks for watching!
Chapters
0:00 What is VCF East
1:05 The show
5:08 Usagi’s best in show
7:06 The Museum
9:50 Some of my favorite pieces
16:30 A wild PDP-8 appears!
22:42 Running a proper program on the straight 8
25:59 Bunny!

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@klocugh12
@klocugh12 22 күн бұрын
Screw folks who say you get "too excited" over getting things working. It shows passion towards what you do. Never change!
@Helltormentor
@Helltormentor 21 күн бұрын
It always makes me smile, to see him so happy. I'd say it has even saved couple of crappy days.
@ViktorRzh
@ViktorRzh 21 күн бұрын
People who said this, have newer apresciated the amount of work that goes into everything around us. If you start thinking about this.... it will be defenetly not the first time when I look at cheap peace of plastic and admire unnamed engineer, who managed to make it so cheaply and reliably. And I am not talking about the device in front of us, wich contains a few thousants of phds worth of work.
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 20 күн бұрын
who wouldn't get exited with all the effort it took to fix this ultra rare hardware that is often so old it predates the pc revolution from a time when computers were a true mystery to most people and this was probably used by the army or a fortune 500 company costing more than a house when it was new. i am having a hard time finding computers from before 1990 for my collection .
@ViktorRzh
@ViktorRzh 20 күн бұрын
@@belstar1128 I literaly found dos laptop from late 80-s in a dumpster. Technicaly speaking, on top of a dumpster bin in a midle of a city.
@radman999
@radman999 18 күн бұрын
No kidding. You would have to be an enormous incel loser to say that.
@halfsourlizard9319
@halfsourlizard9319 22 күн бұрын
I sincerely hope that Thomas walks around those vintage computers with his pipe all the time. Adorbs.
@jearlblah5169
@jearlblah5169 22 күн бұрын
He looked straight out of a movie lol
@Xsiondu
@Xsiondu 22 күн бұрын
I felt like he was going to explain the amazing new advances being created in the ARPA laboratories
@chrisjpf33
@chrisjpf33 22 күн бұрын
Not sure how often he has the pipe, but I have NEVER seen Thomas without a business suit on!
@ryanmorrison8307
@ryanmorrison8307 21 күн бұрын
I was in the room that day and you didn't get to see that he was also wearing suspenders from the Wang Computer company under that. And sadly no pipe usually, but he always is dressed sharp.
@ro.7427
@ro.7427 20 күн бұрын
I just got to where this guy shows up, and I love it. 😂 what a pro
@bmartin427
@bmartin427 23 күн бұрын
I assumed "Straight 8" was to distinguish from the later 8E, 8A, 8I etc variants. Cue Scotty: "No bloody A, B, C, or D"
@jaut-76
@jaut-76 22 күн бұрын
We call the PDP-8 a straight 8 because it doesn’t have any letters after the 8 like later variants like the 8S which was a serial variant of the 8 which originally was powerful.
@RichardBetel
@RichardBetel 22 күн бұрын
I asked google gemini about subsequent PDP-8s, and got this list: PDP-8: 1965 original model PDP-8/S: 1966, 1-bit serial ALU which was slower but cheaper PDP-8/I: 1969 faster parallel ALU using TTL, making it cheaper than the straight-8 but faster than both previous models PDP-8/E: 1971 "A widely used variant known for its compatibility with a large range of input/output (I/O) devices." PDP-8/M: 1974: faster, more memory CMOS-8: 1979 "The last commercial PDP-8 model, based on CMOS microprocessors. These were not very successful commercially."
@pedrocx486
@pedrocx486 21 күн бұрын
“Which originally was powerful” what does that even mean?
@jaut-76
@jaut-76 21 күн бұрын
@@pedrocx486 the straight 8 was a powerful machine but the 8S wasn’t
@gcewing
@gcewing 19 күн бұрын
It could also be intended as a pun, because its big rectangular shape kind of resembles an engine block.
@markhatch1267
@markhatch1267 22 күн бұрын
Since I am not able to travel in my current season of life, I really appreciate you giving us virtual tours of amazing places like this one, that have preserved the old computer technology. Keep up the great work!
@Pistoletjes
@Pistoletjes 22 күн бұрын
HELLORLD! on paper tape is awesome!
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 20 күн бұрын
Yeah, now he *has* to get the G-15 to do that with its paper tape punch. (Even if it's just hard coded.)
@larryh8072
@larryh8072 22 күн бұрын
Excellent seeing a PDP 8 in action. I spent hours in school programming the PDP 8E in PAL 8 assembly to do some simple math functions. Fortunately I was able to convince security that I wasn’t a threat as they normally booted you out of the lab at midnight. Unfortunately I did see the sun come up as I got my program to work properly. The boot loader to get the tape drive to spin up was about 20 steps with the front panel switches. I got to the point where I could boot the computer via the front panel from memory every time. Thanks for the memories!
@tradde11
@tradde11 22 күн бұрын
My favorite 8 is the 8i as that's the machine I learned computers on. The local community college had one running TSS/8 and all the local junior high and high schools had dial in access. I was hooked after the first time sitting down at the TTY and dialing in. I had one later on in life, but not with all the bells and whistles this one had. It's a beautiful machine as is the straight 8. I have never seen a straight 8 in person though. So now I manage with the PiDP-8 from Oscar and it runs TSS/8 for me so I can see the AC counting and transport myself back in time to those fun days.
@bobdinitto
@bobdinitto 21 күн бұрын
I programmed in PAL-8 and PAL-11. Paper tape! Good Times!
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 21 күн бұрын
you had a computer in school in the 1960s or early 70s my school didn't get them until the year 2000 you are probably older than my father.
@kerryedavis
@kerryedavis 21 күн бұрын
If you have Memory Protect on when running other programs, the boot loader in the last page didn't get overwritten. Of course you have to turn off Memory Protect when using the loader, because it has to have write-access to the last page when running.
@larryhuff3383
@larryhuff3383 21 күн бұрын
@@belstar1128 The year was 1976. I was studying electronics engineering. The PDP8 programming was part of the digital electronics course.
@TheHylianBatman
@TheHylianBatman 21 күн бұрын
I personally love your enthusiasm! It's ridiculous for people to say you get too excited. Just the same, I love seeing vintage machines being kept alive! These are a unique opportunity to directly interact with the past, so I'm always happy to see it used!
@TymexComputing
@TymexComputing 21 күн бұрын
26:00 - Hello are you scared? - HELLIAM!
@RussellFlowers
@RussellFlowers 22 күн бұрын
Thomas really leaning in to that retro style, I approve!
@greatquux
@greatquux 22 күн бұрын
The site also has a radio/radar/wireless museum too since it was used during WW2 for those purposes. A really fascinating intersection of history and technology to explore.
@tradde11
@tradde11 22 күн бұрын
I saw that many years ago, but did not know of this computer museum. Sure wish I lived closer as I miss going to VCF East.
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 21 күн бұрын
i want go there so badly
@wa4aos
@wa4aos 22 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for the tour. I'm a retired DEC FE and loved the trip down memory lane.
@ChristopherHailey
@ChristopherHailey 22 күн бұрын
I learned to program on machines that booted from paper tape after toggling in the boot loader , it's great that you captured this process on video so that everyone can see the wonder of this process. It was such an amazing thing to watch a program load from tape especially if it was something you wrote, wonder "is it going to work".
@ColonelTux
@ColonelTux 21 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for the fantastic PDP-8 demo! It sure brought back memories. The PDP-8e was absolutely the first computer I ever laid eyes (or hands) on. DEC was trying to sell one to our high school. They loaned one to the school for a couple of months (!) and we nerds - aka computer club members - were totally enthralled. One word about octal: groups of three switches make a very natural way to load a number into the front panel. You quickly develop a muscle memory for the digits 0 to 7. Since you have to key in the bootstrap loader every time you power the machine up, you get lots of practice! Another DEC product of the same period was the Computer Lab. It's a patch board system with a handful of J-K flipflops and logic gates. If you ever get a chance to acquire one and restore it you should. DEC loaned us one of those, too, and our computer club sponsor actually let me take it home over the Christmas holidays. I learned a ton about digital logic by playing with that thing.
@MotownBatman
@MotownBatman 22 күн бұрын
BUNNY! My daughters walked in just a the right time LOL
@ModusPonenz
@ModusPonenz 21 күн бұрын
Great tour! So good to see these all up and running. In high school we had a PDP-8 with a VT-52, two 8" floppy drives, a line printer, and a CR-11 punched card reader. The card reader could read pencil marks on the cards so that we could write our programs on paper, mark them onto the cards, then run them as a batch job. If you could find and show us a punched card reader, that would be outstanding. We also had eight to ten Commodor PET with that awful keyboard.
@RickDeNatale
@RickDeNatale 21 күн бұрын
Lots of memories here. I noticed the Digicomo on the shelf, a “computer” made up of plastic, wire, and short plastic soda straws, which was really a mechanical simulation of a few flip-flops. The PDP-8, and its older almost twin brother the PDP-5 were my second computers after an IBM 1620 at UConn in the early 1970s. One of my buddies got a summer job at a company which was entering ALL of their programs with the front panel. He became a real superstar when he showed them the RIM loader.
@UltimateDIY
@UltimateDIY 19 күн бұрын
That museum is awesome! 😍
@kpnconsulting8739
@kpnconsulting8739 22 күн бұрын
Man, that Philbrick analog computer is a thing of beauty. If you really want to make an indelible mark on youtube vintage computing, do something with analog computers... anything really: there's a real lack of such content despite there being a resurgence of interest in them using modern techniques/components.
@jwhite5008
@jwhite5008 22 күн бұрын
Come for interesting historic computers Stay for the vibes of the most excitable vintage computer lover Nice reporting and awesome museum! They totally should advertise in the VCF with photos of their interrior and by signs for the people who leave the VCF to also visit them on the way out. This way everyone gets the best of both worlds!
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 19 күн бұрын
Holy crap, the museum has a Hammond Novachord?!? As a tube guy, you need to look at that instrument. It's nuts.
@classicaudioadventures
@classicaudioadventures 13 күн бұрын
That caught my attention as well. Glad I'm not alone!
@ethandicks3
@ethandicks3 21 күн бұрын
The "Zero" bit in a PDP-8 instruction is if the remaining address bits reference the current memory page or the "zero page" in the current field. A field is 4096 words, broken up into pages of 200(8) words. Zero page is literally the addresses from 000-177. So without resorting to indirect addressing, any memory reference instruction can only get to 400(8) spots in memory, but half of them are depending on what address the instruction is at, and the other half are a common pool of locations.
@EricLikness
@EricLikness 6 күн бұрын
20:00 Watching you key in values with the switches and lights on the PDP8,... magical. It feels like I'm watching curiousMarc and Carl and the Computer History Museum working on the IBM1140! 👍
@LeonDerczynski
@LeonDerczynski 21 күн бұрын
Wow, this was all great, nice highlighting of the museum. & Thomas has it going ON
@simonabunker
@simonabunker 22 күн бұрын
Really nice video! I have worked on an SGI Indigo 2 - and it was pretty dated at the time (2001-2003). I still really like IRIX. An Octane or Onyx would be a nice addition to your collection. Fran Blanche just released a video at the same time as yours showing the Univac in operation and the volunteers pulling the cards out and loading a tape up. It was really noisy with everything running!
@TastyBusiness
@TastyBusiness 23 күн бұрын
VCF East XIX was awesome. Glad you could make it!
@tripplefives1402
@tripplefives1402 22 күн бұрын
The strait 8 is the original, the later models had a letter after the 8.
@ahbushnell1
@ahbushnell1 22 күн бұрын
I had the first compaq sold in new mexico. I remember carrying it on an airplane. I bought a 10 MB hard drive that I thought would never fill up.
@RetroJack
@RetroJack 21 күн бұрын
Your exitement is one of the reasons I love your channel - nihl contentae barstidium! 😋
@rwdplz1
@rwdplz1 22 күн бұрын
"I'm not an electrical engineer" I've been an electrical engineer for 10 years, you're more electrical engineer than I am.
@gregorynagy8448
@gregorynagy8448 22 күн бұрын
Nice little cameo you have there of the UE 555 on display in the museum at around 09:00
@jclosed2516
@jclosed2516 5 күн бұрын
Oh wow! The Cosmac Elf single board computer! I personally just restored my original Cosmac Super Elf I bought 1977 to full working order. It was a fun job to do, although the original FND500 7-segment numeric LED displays are becoming a bit dim. I have searched for replacement (preferably more modern version), but so far not much luck (the newer ones need a different voltage and forward current). Anyway - It was fun to see all those different versions in this video. In the mean time I am restoring the second computer I bought many years ago as a kit (around 1979). This is the Acon Atom. This one has proven a more difficult little project. I got it halfway working so far. It proudly shows the "Acorn Atom" and prompt at start up, but does not respond to keystrokes. This is going to be a fun troubleshooting project in progression. It will be fun to see that one finally also fully working alongside my Cosmac Super Elf. I am not there yet, but it's going to happen...
@Linuxpunk81
@Linuxpunk81 22 күн бұрын
I'm fascinated by old weather channel tech!
@johnnywarren6617
@johnnywarren6617 21 күн бұрын
@15:10 The Screen on the Commadore PET is Displaying Ferris Bueller's Student record..........Nice touch form the museum folks.
@tripplefives1402
@tripplefives1402 22 күн бұрын
@23:20 that wardrobe is as fly as the machine you are sitting next to.
@user-nd8zh3ir7v
@user-nd8zh3ir7v 22 күн бұрын
I checked out the radio museum last year, was quite nice. Will have to check out the computer museum next it looks quite impressive. I saw some on youtube saying wang sold those computers as fully functional computers when in fact there were actually just the adding machine in a computer case.
@seannewton8386
@seannewton8386 20 күн бұрын
Thanks for the great recap of VCF East and the museum. I wanted to go, but was already taking time off earlier in the week for the eclipse and in a few weeks for a visit with my parents.
@anthonyshiels9273
@anthonyshiels9273 22 күн бұрын
Maynooth University's first computer was a Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-11 with a card reader, 2 x demountable hard disk drives, line printer, console and 2 x VT-52 terminals running MU-BASIC under RSTS/E
@shawnerz98
@shawnerz98 21 күн бұрын
AAhh...this explains why you weren't at the Meet And Greet in Grand Prairie this weekend! 😉 Good to see the stuff at VCF East! Thanks for the tours!
@neatodd
@neatodd 19 күн бұрын
That paper tape reader takes me back to my first job programming Ferranti FM1600B computers
@goldenghostinc
@goldenghostinc 22 күн бұрын
That PDP8 was absolutely amazing to see. Loved the switches and the lights showing what was going on. Imo something like this would really help kids (and me) understand what the computer actually does.
@TymexComputing
@TymexComputing 21 күн бұрын
Very interesting, thanks, that diy paper tape reader writer looks very nice
@jfwfreo
@jfwfreo 21 күн бұрын
At one point DEC actually promoted just how "mini" the PDP-8 was by showing it in the back of a classic VW Beetle.
@williamgraham2468
@williamgraham2468 22 күн бұрын
I had an account on the PDP-8/I in the computer science department at the local university for a couple of years while I was in high school. It was behind a glass wall, so I could see it blink its lights and spin its DECTape searching for files, but I couldn't actually touch the front panel. It ran TSS/8, a time-share operating system that could support up to 16 users on model 33 Teletypes. One of the TTYs in the computer lab had a paper tape reader and punch. I would go there right after school, and stay until "late" -- after midnight sometimes. I taught myself BASIC and PDP-8 assembly language from photocopied hand-outs from vol. 2 of the manual, and the instruction set quick reference card. So of course at one point I wrote an assembly program to print out my name in block letters on the paper tape. The paper tape is 1 inch wide; if you don't have any of the oiled green or yellow paper tape, you can use 1 inch brown paper tape (the gummed type that you moisten and use to wrap parcels up with brown kraft paper). It had a speech synthesizer attached too, so it could sing a couple of songs and recite poetry. That was a research interest of one of the CS profs.
@airborne0x0
@airborne0x0 21 күн бұрын
I enjoyed reading 'The Soul of a New Machine' by Tracy Kidder years ago, which is the story behind the development of the Data General Eclipse, so neat to see the museum has one.
@keyvanmehrbakhsh4069
@keyvanmehrbakhsh4069 5 күн бұрын
thank you it was educative and awesome .
@ricardosetti4976
@ricardosetti4976 23 күн бұрын
I am sorry you didn’t stop at our 8-Bit Desk Clones From South America exhibit. There were some wild clones like an Apple II in an Atari 1200 case. Maybe next year!
@TheSulross
@TheSulross 17 күн бұрын
Toggling instructions into memory evokes Spock's characterization - "stone knives and bear skins". The ancesters dealt with a primitive computing world for sure.
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 20 күн бұрын
That looks fantastic :)
@johncloar1692
@johncloar1692 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for a wonderful video.
@andygeppert
@andygeppert 6 күн бұрын
Thanks for the coverage on Core64 David. I'd love to talk about getting cores and tubes connected. After all, those tubes are what necessitated the blazing speeds core memory enabled...
@jackhack1972
@jackhack1972 15 күн бұрын
That a mega machine was ahead of the time . I was worried there be no rabbit to see cause your out of town .. boy I was wrong .. A cotton you can pet ! Wow ! I raised a cotton tail but you could not pet it. She was litter trained and lived with us for year . I finally released her to the wild r and she did well !
@angieandretti
@angieandretti 20 күн бұрын
My guinea pig says hi to your cornucopia bunny :)
@johnathanstevens8436
@johnathanstevens8436 22 күн бұрын
I love the museum because when it's NOT festival time you can try any of the turned on machines (not just behind glass)
@GertJanKruizinga
@GertJanKruizinga 22 күн бұрын
Bunnies! 😍
@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject 22 күн бұрын
Really, really amazing! Great tour of the VCF 2024 exhibits and super tour of the vintage computer Museum run by Doug Crawford. His museum is like a "Disneyland of Vintage Computing." Lots of fun to watch and quite educational too. Great job at the restorations and an impressive collection of important machines. (How do you keep them all so clean?) Excellent tour and narration! Thanks for sharing this! ~ VK
@zaxchannel2834
@zaxchannel2834 21 күн бұрын
I was there too, great fun
@horusfalcon
@horusfalcon 22 күн бұрын
Epic video, man. More Bendix, including a cool souvenir, and the PDP-8 were highlights for me. That's a very interesting computer, and one I wish I could afford to house and feed. The Amiga was something else I always wanted but couldn't seem to afford. If you want another possible source for projects, look into the B2600 Workstation from HP. I supported a fleet of about 20 of these at my old job, and devised an imaging server using an old Dell Poweredge 2600 (yeah, the model number is a coincidence). It made possible the saving of whole disk images from these workstations. We were still using these workstations when I retired to operate production processes. I hope I can make a VCF if one comes to a location close enough. This is just too cool.
@giuseppe74921
@giuseppe74921 22 күн бұрын
The Commodore Amiga is great
@jeromethiel4323
@jeromethiel4323 21 күн бұрын
Vintage computer enthusiasts are the only people who can say "do you want to come back to my place and see my Wang" and not be creeps. ^-^ And another vintage computer geek would be "Hell yeah! Show me that Wang!" ^-^ I am laughing SO hard right now...
@jeromethiel4323
@jeromethiel4323 21 күн бұрын
If that PDP-8 program is not "hellord," i will be seriously disappointed. And i was not disappointed. ^-^ I really need to make one of these VCF events. I want to buy stuff, and i don't have the time to troll ebay or local thrift shops.
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 20 күн бұрын
The "7777" trick is something that a LOT of older computers and microcontrollers used. Store the address of the routine you want the computer to start with at the highest location in memory (the boot/reset vector) and you can store the actual code anywhere you want. Microcontrollers usually execute the instruction at the top of program memory by default after a reset.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 19 күн бұрын
The last part of your comment is incorrect. The 8080 and a lot of others started at location zero after reset. The 6502 started at FFFC. 8086 started at FFFF0 IIRC. FFFE was what the 6800 did. CDP1802 started at zero also.
@grimninja2004
@grimninja2004 22 күн бұрын
i stuck my head into the musesum while i was there but it was too many people in there to even realize you were in there.
@christianvitroler5289
@christianvitroler5289 22 күн бұрын
Thank you for carrying me back to my Youth
@SalvoMorina
@SalvoMorina 22 күн бұрын
Amazing !...as usual !
@voidstar1337
@voidstar1337 12 күн бұрын
What about the train rooms!? They are (or used to be?) in the same building as the computer museum, just down the hall. Playing with model train at MIT is essentially how the internet was born, dealing with half vs full duplex and switches.
@JeffBreyer
@JeffBreyer 22 күн бұрын
Id love to see what you can do with the NABU. I don't have a ton of time after my job so mine is sitting neatly in it's box still. It is a really cool piece of Canadian PC history.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 22 күн бұрын
Your plans for the UE-2 are pretty hardcore, haha 9:00 well, it looks familiar, doesn't it? They have a bigger WANG than yours! Hellorld on a paper tape was so much fun, while I'm trying to get C64 BASIC to display big one on the screen using pokes and iteration. Still no cigar but I'm getting there... and will make a video when I get it. opefully it happens RealSoon.
@douro20
@douro20 22 күн бұрын
And it's a proper Wang with logarithmic logic...
@skfalpink123
@skfalpink123 22 күн бұрын
I wonder if there are any working examples of the Texas Instrument TI-980B mini-computer still working? They were stunning looking machines!
@goofyrulez7914
@goofyrulez7914 22 күн бұрын
Hooray for the CDP-1802!!!
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 22 күн бұрын
BARF! I was forced to design a product around that thing and write the code to make it go. My fingers were a full inch shorter by time I was done. BTW: I did a full 32 bit math library and also did graphics on the thing.
@DavidPlass
@DavidPlass 22 күн бұрын
TBH I thought this year's VCF East was a little timid compared to last year's. I parked in the main lot(!) and there were a bunch of empty tables where there had been exhibitors on Saturday. I did get to see you working on the Hawk, which was cool.
@John_Mack
@John_Mack 22 күн бұрын
Computers today need more blinking lights and less RGB LED's.
@DJSures
@DJSures 22 күн бұрын
Props++ for the mention & great video! Chat soon :)
@charliesybert2683
@charliesybert2683 22 күн бұрын
Didn't make it this time but next time I hope to show up and see everything
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 22 күн бұрын
The PDP8 only had 8 instructions if you counted them the way DEC counted them. One instruction was effectively a NOP but external logic was used to make that the I/O instruction. The "operate" instruction did things like shifting and clearing so you could make a claim of more than 8 instructions if you counted all the combinations you could make.
@gcewing
@gcewing 19 күн бұрын
Still, there were legitimately only 6 memory reference instructions and 4 addressing modes. It's impressive what they were able to do with that! Also, aren't the I/O instructions of any computer effectively NOPs if there is no external hardware attached?
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 19 күн бұрын
@@gcewing On a PDP8, the external hardware had to decode that it was the 6000 (octal) instruction (IIRC) as well as decide what to do with the bits from the accumulator and/or whether to strobe new data into the accumulator. The CPU had no hardware related to the I/O operation. Micros generally do some sort of external access for an I/O instruction. Yes, it was amazing what people could do with the PDP8. Until the IBM PC era, it was the most common computer in the world. Things like computerized phone exchanges and numerically controlled milling machines used them. In there simplest form, they could only have 4096 12 bit words of memory. Later versions allowed for 8 "fields" of 4096 words. This still gave them less memory than an early PC.
@jonathanwhiteside6092
@jonathanwhiteside6092 22 күн бұрын
Very much liked the PDP stuff, I'm currently building a PiDP 8/I so really interesting stuff.
@tradde11
@tradde11 22 күн бұрын
You will enjoy your PiDP-8i. Mine is running upstairs. I am currently building the PiDP-10.
@RingingResonance
@RingingResonance 22 күн бұрын
I would LOVE to see a demo of this analog computer at 10:29 That CRT looks like it has some long persistence phosphor on it with an orange filter over the front to help with contrast. It would probably work on it's own as a vector scope. If you remove the orange filter it will probably look like a P7 cascade phosphor they used on a lot of radar tubes.
@gttarus1
@gttarus1 22 күн бұрын
Would love to see you at vcfmw this year.
@GeoffSeeley
@GeoffSeeley 22 күн бұрын
@4:32 I think I built one of those in the past 😉
@emonk042
@emonk042 22 күн бұрын
Nice that he gave a shout out to Tech Time Traveller. I love his vids, and he's Canadian
@MarquisDeSang
@MarquisDeSang 21 күн бұрын
The guy with the pipe can be trusted. A good programmer should always be a pipe smoker. Have you notice that since people stopped smoking, computer sucks?
@markowen4326
@markowen4326 21 күн бұрын
My middle school had some of those PETs. I think they would run out of memory playing Space Invaders.
@TymexComputing
@TymexComputing 21 күн бұрын
22:33 smoking kills :)
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 21 күн бұрын
12:28 'Hunt the Wumpus' now there is something I have to get back to and get that running on my SWTPC6800 clone I made 'quite a few years ago'.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 19 күн бұрын
There was a "tag the wumpus" game also. It seems the wumpas was being hunted to near extinction and were being protected and tagged for study. The game mechanics were the same.
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 14 күн бұрын
@@kensmith5694 The one I have is written in basic, so super easy to make variants.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 14 күн бұрын
@@paulstubbs7678 People need to understand that "BASIC" is not "basic". It is about the most advance language ever invented. Computer languages are a way to express the meaning of some software. More wumpuses are expressed in BASIC than any other language. By that measure, it is the most powerful of languages.
@idio-syncrasy
@idio-syncrasy 22 күн бұрын
It must be amazing to play with such an old wang that still works.
@atkelar
@atkelar 22 күн бұрын
I got to finish my own Nabu modem project some time... x.x it's pretty far along after all; but there was next to no concrete feedback on my last updates.
@jamesfehlinger9731
@jamesfehlinger9731 10 күн бұрын
Oh cool, a framed cover of the 1974 first edition of Ted Nelson's "Computer Lib" on the wall behind the two of you in that last shot. A very formative book for people of a certain age. "You Can And Must Understand Computers NOW!". Nelson was very savvy at the time about the hopes of the AI transcendantalists. See p. DM 12 (of the "Dream Machines" upside-down second half of the book): "Time out for THREE COMPUTER DREAMS: "AI" (Artificial Intelligence); "IR" (Information Retrieval); "CAI" (Computer-Assisted Instruction). It's time for awe to be replaced with the critical eye." "The God-Builders! ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ...sort of" "COMPUTERS DON'T ACTUALLY THINK. You just think they think. (We think.)" "ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE: the unrolling carpet. (But how far will it go?)" "Well-understood techniques, 'solved' problems (Impressive, startling and/or hokey demonstrations; Tic-Tac-Toe, Checkers, Qubic; Sentence generation) -> Current Research (Pattern Recognition, Neuron Nets, Heuristics, Simulation of minds & stuff) -> a long, long way -> Mysterious & Sexy Terra Incognita, Unknown & Unlikely ('Turing Test'; Chess: Morphy, Fischer; Self-organizing systems) -> Turing-Barrier (Can it somehow get past? Brute-force methods foiled.) -> El Beyondo. Gods! Supergods! Omniscience! Plus ca change. Nelson is now a very old man. I wonder what he makes of all the current AI ai ai ai.
@DanielHaanpaa
@DanielHaanpaa 22 күн бұрын
The TRIAD System Mini computer, Was that related to later triad systems for running hardware stores?
@bobdinitto
@bobdinitto 21 күн бұрын
I remember programming the PDP-8 machine code was a pain in the butt because you can only conditional branch within the current memory page and to escape the page you have to jump. This was fixed in the PDP-11 with its plethora of memory addressing modes.
@gcewing
@gcewing 19 күн бұрын
The PDP-8 doesn't have conditional branches, only conditonal skips - you branch by skipping over a jump. But it's true that you have to use indirect addressing to jump outside the current page. The 11 actually has a similar problem - the conditional branches use relative addressing with a limited range. But at least it doesn't chop the memory up into pages, so it's less annoying. Maybe you're thinking of the VAX? It does have long conditional branches if I remember correctly.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 19 күн бұрын
@@gcewing Fun Fact: The low numbered PIC microcontrollers also have the conditional as a skip and a jump instruction. It really is a very good design. Conditional branching takes a longer instruction and in some cases skipping one instruction was the needed action.
@timballam3675
@timballam3675 22 күн бұрын
We used to upgrade those Compac luggables through 386, 486 and then Pentium. All had custom data acquisition cards.... Those where the days.....
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 22 күн бұрын
25:40 We had a ‘visual header’ program on our paper tape based Elliott 903 at university in London in late 1970s. There was an epic piece of tape text on the computer room door that took me three years before I got the joke (I thought it was just profound before that): NOTHING SUCCEEDS LIKE A TOOTHLESS BUDGIE!
@KameraShy
@KameraShy 22 күн бұрын
How about VCF Midwest, September 7-8, 2024 in Schaumburg, Illinois (suburb of Chicago)?
@jfwfreo
@jfwfreo 21 күн бұрын
The buttons on the Wang computer, Wang calculator and PET look like they wouldn't be out of place on a certain vintage of cash register...
@alabamacajun7791
@alabamacajun7791 22 күн бұрын
Have yet to see a Honeywell or Cincinnati Milacron. We have seen some Data Generals recently.
@Scruit
@Scruit 21 күн бұрын
Anyone who doesn't get excited by successfully fixing an old computer is in the wrong hobby.
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 22 күн бұрын
Is it really possible to make ferrite core memory now? You need very tiny ~1mm cores with especial hysteresis. There are needed vacuum tubes amplifiers for every row and column, to to make it effective you will need ~thousand of cores.
@tradde11
@tradde11 22 күн бұрын
Someone sells a small matrix core thing you can buy and build. Core is cool.
@rogeratygc7895
@rogeratygc7895 22 күн бұрын
Well, by 1971 when I started my first job (using DEC LINC-8 and PDP12 computers) we still used core memory, but the associated electronics were solid state. Each 1k of storage cost about the same as my annual salary.
@AlGonzo42
@AlGonzo42 18 күн бұрын
Those diodes are silicon. There's no germanium in those flip chips. There's a bunch in the older "system modules", though.
@kellingc
@kellingc 22 күн бұрын
"Streight 8" designates it as a base unit, 8S, 8M, 8I, or 8 Lab.
@williamcheek2778
@williamcheek2778 22 күн бұрын
That Elf exhibit looks awesome! Nice Cosmac VIP (the blue plastic case one). Wish I had one but they are $$$ these days. The VIP was one of 2 derivatives of the Elf that RCA themselves sold as complete machines, albeit half-heartedly as they were terribly mismanaged at the time. The other was a consolized version of the Elf, the much maligned and misunderstood RCA Studio II video game console of AVGN fame. You can port games from the elf family machines to the Studio II without too much trouble as they are mostly the same in terms of hardware but the Studio II is set up to run games off of ROM cartridges while the VIP and elf are meant to run stuff off RAM loaded from cassette or manually entered with the keypad. Most of the games for both platforms were written in Chip8 although there are some newer Studio II homebrews that I think are written in assembly as they run faster. The idea of having a game console and home computer line that could share game software, and therefore capture more market share and reduce dev costs, is kind of mind blowing forward thinking for 1976 when the VIP and Studio II were developed.
@COSMACELF1802
@COSMACELF1802 21 күн бұрын
The ELF II Reproduction Boards are available on the COSMAC ELF forum. You can add personality modules to it to run VIP and STUDIO II Programs.
@williamcheek2778
@williamcheek2778 20 күн бұрын
@@COSMACELF1802 Awesome! I am probably the only person in the world who has voluntarily played Studio II games for over an hour at a time😄
@AndrewTubbiolo
@AndrewTubbiolo 22 күн бұрын
Somebody needs to make a NIC for that Strait 8 PDP/8.
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