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[@ahsanace21]

Thanks for posting this. I have a friend who has a similar perspective and always asks, "how could you bring a life in this horrible place?" I say I will teach my children to be righteous for humanity (InshAllah) and mention the Prophet (PBUH) saying we should still plant a seed. This gives me more to respond to some of his arguments. JazakAllah.

[@eg4848]

Ok but whats the problem with just not bringing new people into being? Why not just adopt and teach your adopted children those values? Is it a tragedy that you dont have more siblings than you already have?

[@ahsanace21]

@@eg4848 There's no problem in that. Infact, muslims do adopt and are the #1 in charitable giving because its part of who we are. Why impose restrictions on what humans naturally able to do. Now use this same energy at stopping western Imperialist powers who have created orphans in muslim counties through their unjust wars.

[@nobodyisborngayislam]

Because our religion Islam encourages us to have children

[@deiov]

@@eg4848 You can do both.

[@SawarimHaqq]

Dude, most atheists only object to life when God enters the equation. Otherwise, they love life and find it precious despite hardship. A quick overview of their back and forth with each other will show you that. I was shocked at their hypocritical display.

[@ascorpio1]

All folk are very well mannered having a civil conversation.

[@moerocco775]

These 2 vegans seem like good guys. They just need an objective basis which they are lacking. May Allah guide them and us.

[@MuhammadHassan200]

Ameen

[@Drillakilla80]

This was such a nice discussion.

[@user-el6xm2pk7x]

What kind of philosophy is that to minimise suffering is their overarching objective Without suffering humans would no grow...you can even argue that war is necessary to some extent to humble humans etc If by his standards we only eat plants that could cause massive disruptions to the ecology of life and cause more suffering...humans may then have to eat more plants then animals in the process...that could cause inbalances..you may even get more pests in society which causes more issues then first thought Yes we agree that corporations have caused environmental catastrophes due to their overarching objective of making a profit

[@Ashes3123]

Saw this on another channel. Great discussion.

[@homtanks7259]

if I'm honest there are some similarities between vegans and Islam when it comes to animal rights

[@highpriest8571]

you must be on drugs

[@nanashi7779]

Well I wouldn't say a lot, but there are some for sure

[@homtanks7259]

@@nanashi7779 true

[@kikikoko607]

Surprisingly few Muslims seem to know about that. I often saw Muslims in their countries, hitting farm animals, or cutting the tendons of a bigger animal, like camels to prevent it from fleeing, while it's slaughtered. This is haram, according to none other, than our Prophet sAaws! People should know!

[@highpriest8571]

@@kikikoko607 they coud not give tow shits about animals thats why they are buthchers and so invovled in leather and fur industry.. To the majority of muslims animals are below them to a level that allows cruelty

[@billeltot]

Good talk

[@joy8801]

Ma sha Allah, YUSUF brother i enjoy every single video discussion with you. I would encourage and ask you to do more videos on different topics, it is so beneficial and so informative every single time! SubhanAllah. Thanks for amazing discussion . May Allah be pleased with you ameen

[@mohammadalkhalifah9310]

May allah protect you brother yousef and all Muslim beautiful conversation

[@ebrahimpatel4757]

This world can end at any moment, there's no guarantee

[@SRNK...2127]

Yusuf ... Jazzakh Allah khairun brother for dealing with this veganism argument .... I'm sick and tired of these people pushing their plant based diets on us ... I stopped red meat and now I'm highly dangerously anemic but Alhumdhulillah I've started eating red meat again in moderation

[@zafarparkar98]

I think veganism itself can be argued against, but the meat industry as it exists (and also forms THE major percentage of meat consumed) is virtually impossible to defend. And we shouldn't use arguments against veganism itself to excuse our eating habits that clearly perpetuate the meat industry and the exploitation that happens within it.

[@kakinator2365]

It would also be interesting to know if the halal meat industry is truly halal, in how they treat the animals.

[@thepathofguidance5684]

It's very dubiously halal. Go back to small farms and local meat.

[@moerocco775]

Agreed. The problem is vegans use the genuine ills of commercial meat production as an argument against meat eating, which is fallacious.

[@maghribifilondonvlogs220]

@@moerocco775 true

[@kikikoko607]

Yep! The Prophet sAaws said, that Allah swt curses people who torture animals. He sAaws advocated a lot of times for animals, that were mistreated by their owners. So factory farming can't possibly be an option for a Muslim!

[@mclarenf1lmguy]

If I'm not mistaken there is enough food currently in production to feed close to 9 billion, but in developed countries more than 30% of that food is being thrown away. And these places go to great lengths not to just give it to the poor or hungry. It also means that if planned well, the world can still comfortably handle an increase in population when it comes to feeding them.

[@Baraa.K.Mohammad]

wow! The euthanasia vibes here are quite real! For a moment I thought this was the final season of AoT!

[@homtanks7259]

43:27 he shows a little too much empathy for animals for my taste......... the animals that are in the zoo are not eaten, there is no comparison with chickens or cows

[@RayOfHope8]

MashAllah

[@ukmeyer9730]

30:35 Is this guy a medical student? On what planet?

[@ayoubtalib4782]

This guy would do so much terrible things if he has just a liiiiiittle bit of power in the world.

[@kikikoko607]

In Islam, you are only allowed to eat certain animals. You aren't allowed to factory farm, because this would be torture. Because the Prophet Muhammad sAaws said, that Allah swt curses such people, who torture animals. He sAaws also told us to sharpen the knife, if we slaughter an animal, so that it doesn't suffer much. The Prophet sAaws also lectured a man, who treated his camel badly, gave him the spurs and refused to feed it properly. The man should treat it good, or free it, period! He sAaws taught us, that the animals will testify against us on the day of judgement and also take their rights from us, if we mistreat them. A woman will even go to hell on judgment day, because she tortured and starved a cat to death. While another woman will even go to paradise, because she gave a thirsty dog something to drink. The last woman was even a prostitute, and Allah swt forgave her all her sis , she committed before, because of this good deed!

[@RayOfHope8]

❤️❤️❤️

[@DocRealTalk]

The term "life is suffering doesn't" mean "life is only suffering" It means "suffering is a part of life" So wanting to preserve life isn't "wanting to preserve suffering" That doesn't logically follow. But ending existing life (in the meat industry context) is causing only suffering. Also, veganism is about reducing the harm humans cause, not reducing suffering in the animal kingdom lol

[@DocRealTalk]

We have people living in council estates in deprived areas because we have an economic model that allows the people who own everything to siphon money from everyone else. Through low wages and high profits, by buying politicians who make policies to invest public money into their projects, tax avoidance scheme that they paid to get written into law etc So everyone needs to stop praying for a better world after death and do something about to make it better while we're still alive. And this is not just a "western" issue, some of the richest people on the planet are Muslim. It's not possible to have billionaires and not have poverty. The only reason anyone is able to accumulate that much wealth is by taking it, siphoning it in the ways I mentioned, and then simply investing in things that only benefit themselves. Not to mention they can borrow against their net worth at very low or no interest which has the double benefit of not being taxed as income....because it's borrowed money lol

[@nanashi7779]

@@DocRealTalk Are you a Muslim? Because if you are it is undeniable that our goal is that "better life after death", not this life

[@DocRealTalk]

@@nanashi7779 Most religions preach the same thing, because most came out of feudal systems where a minority ruled over the majority. So they don't tell you to change the system, they just tell you it will be better after you die if you do X, Y Z

[@DocRealTalk]

@flawlezz siddiq Hahahaha no that's your misunderstanding of what I said. What I said included Islam.

[@DocRealTalk]

@flawlezz siddiq I am simply explaining to you what I said. Because you didn't get it 😂 FYI "A Caliphate" IS a feudal system lol

[@homtanks7259]

Atheism is the problem and at the same time atheism should be the solution, really? cognitive dissonance at its best

[@homtanks7259]

Halal meat 👍🏻

[@snowforest6487]

Debate ask yourself

[@abyrahman6610]

Vegan dude is basically saying we should educate people to end humanity so there in no suffering 😂😂😂😂

[@thepathofguidance5684]

Isn't neutral experience worse than net positive. Don't Muslims believe in eternal afterlife and bringing into this world is the only way to get to potential eternal bliss? Rather mostly good experiences with some bad compared to no experience at all. Not to mention according to Islam doesn't the soul experience and exist prior to bodily insertion. It exists with the other souls I'm the first heaven? The argument then moves back to why did God create knowing some would suffer. Back to the evil God challenge I guess.

[@Umme-45]

God created us before but sent us to the world to test which one of us is better in good deeds. Suffering is not the prerequisite for this test but a side effect.