Verdict Day Is The Most Ambitious Mech Game Ever Created

[@KinkoSeven]

I feel gifted to be the few people who got this on they're recommendations. I'm hoping from the way fromsoft talked about how good 6 was, that we might get something closer to verdict day in the future since they specifically mentioned that the multiplayer fell short of what it "could" have been and thats something they wish to improve on in the future.

[@newtypepunk9967]

Ha yeah the youtube algorithm is more misses than hits, I'm amazed anyone even finds my videos tbh. I think AC6 was like a reboot to get new fans on board, trying to do what VD did would have been too much and gone over people's heads, so it suffered big time in the MP department. Sadly the people that made ACV, VD and chromehounds (another under rated FS mech game) are no longer at the studio, so I don't even think they have the talent there to make games like that anymore. FS became too focused of their souls games and it hurt their other franchises. I understand souls makes crazy money, I just miss the FS from the PS1-2 era. If AC6 continues I suspect it will at least have co-op, but I don't think we will see full teams or world maps etc like VD. Thanks for watching.

[@ayeaung3527]

@@newtypepunk9967I don’t think so from the design standpoint it make sense how they design the ac6 The whole reason people are not into ac is because it is too difficult and complex to understand So AC6 will be entry point for the newcomers Even in ac4 some people just don’t want to get into because they scare away by very complex piloting mechanics and AC building mechanics In the later sequel or next gen like AC7 they will put the complexity back a bit by bit so the new players can learn to mechanics and used to it. First when AC6 announced I was kind of worried the game will be too complex for newcomers and scare them away like all the previous generations and only a few people play it which make them abandoned AC again. I mean in AC6 even with the lack of radiator and a lot of inside parts and stats got cut + mechanics like tuning etc. Some people stay think it is too complex. Some of the friends that I know that like gundam and macross don’t want to get into it because it is too much for them. I literally have to buy one for them to play it for a bit and tell them this is the most simple version they will like it . Only than they start really into it. Now they go back and play previous gens and learning the complexity. At the end of the day I don’t want this franchise to be death In order to do that you need a lot fans to support the franchise Just like Miyazaki said there a lot of things he and the team want to make that what AC4 and 5 could become But due to budget limitations they can’t finish everything You can notice that especially in AC VD there are some cut content that is supposed to be in VD you have some mission and dialogue that you are supposed to be fighting in tower with new enemies type etc.

[@newtypepunk9967]

​@@ayeaung3527 I don't think they will bring anything complex back. FS is a different company now from when they made their old games. Now every game has to have that souls formula injected into their games, I like souls games, but this method they use annoys me. AC or any mech game can never be a mainstream hit, because like you say you either like Gundam or you dont so your buddies will give a Gundam game a chance, other non fans will look at it and just pass it over, In the end you have to know your market, AC fandom is a small crowd who really like the building and complex thought put into the game, but FS want to appeal to souls fans, so we meet in the middle and nobody is left really happy. It reminds me of when mech assault came out and many Mech Warrior fans hated it, because it turned its back on what the games were like before, even though those games are fun in their own way. Yes I've seen a lot of the cut content from VD and its a shame we never got it, most of the 5th gen and chromehounds dev team have left FS now, so we will never know, like I say gaming is in a different era from 360 and PS3 days, it's a problem across many other series, but a least you can still play the old games.

[@ayeaung3527]

@@newtypepunk9967 I think while a ago they make a survey for feed back about the game me and all my friends write a whole essay about all the problems with make it the game too simple and the lock on system ruining the PvP etc. Me and my friends write a bunch of things that can improve and added to the game while not alienate the old fans Personally for me ac6 is 9 out of 10 game it is really good But for an AC game it is 7 or 6 out of 10 if they keep adding new categories of parts like flare, radiator , remove to ability to regain energy only when you touch the ground and make hard lock easy to break this way PvP will be more interesting more skill base. And the worst part for me is th lack Diversity in weapons There are no heavy guns that you can only mount and shot like heavy sniper and heavy machine gun And the range of all the weapons is so short you ricochet from very close distance while using rifle and machine gun The best we can do is give feedback and let the studio know what we player want I even see a lot of newcomers both youtubers, vtuber and normal mecha fans get into aC6 And hunting old gen ac and make video and enjoying it. So right now I think even the newcomer prefer to more complex AC game that make you feel like a pilot I don't worry that much from soft even go out of their way to ask the player feedback. If both new and old fans agree the more complex AC game is better this new studio will definitely listen to the player feedback

[@SiphonRayzar]

I"m gonna be honest, I hope we DON'T get another game like Verdict Day. Armored Core SHOULD stay single player focused. Having a variety of multiplayer modes is nice, yes, but not if it's at the detriment of the single player content.

[@Th3_L30n]

Mom get the camera! I'm famous!

[@newtypepunk9967]

LOL 😄

[@Th3_L30n]

@@newtypepunk9967 Btw, free battles are still available in default PS3'S and Xbox, they thing is they can't be played with the latest regulations unless you use a jailbroken PS3 to inject them directly into the game's files.

[@Phantasmar]

Great video covering everything this game has to offer, its really crazy how much this game has

[@newtypepunk9967]

Thanks. Yeah this game has everything, no other mech game can touch it, in terms on what's on offer, the scope is just massive. Truly sad the devs behind this never got their dues, I know most of them have left FS since this time.

[@harmannsmith5653]

As quake player I have mad respect for 5th gen ac using walljump. Both kweik promode and ac games rely on mastering movement mechanics

[@newtypepunk9967]

Yeah it's a skill you need to master, and when you do it feels damn good to pull of some crazy moves. Quake is a classic, I had a lot fun on that game back in the day.

[@CinnamonLyn]

Oh my god you were Neo Geo!! I was the AC with the White Raven on the purple triangle background as the emblem, I'm really glad we got to play together! I really do agree with a lot of the video, it really is one of the most ambitious games ever made. The conquest mode was weirdly some of the most chill experiences that I've ever had, and I met cool people through the game that I'm so grateful to know. Like you, I wasn't super into 5th gen when I played V around its launch, but playing a ton of Verdict Day really brought me around on the aesthetics, the gameplay, everything! It was really cool to see all the old emblems of everyone while watching, thank you for the really good video ^_^

[@newtypepunk9967]

Hey there CinnamonLyn, yeap I'm the Neo Geo guy lol it was cool playing with you and the others, ha yeah the emblems are the give away before you even look at the names. Yeah I never rated 5th gen that highly in the past, I was stuck on my old gen, but I'm so glad that I finally gave 5th gen a chance, because now I see what FS were trying to do, and yeah stuff like conquest mode is amazing, the gameplay and the amount of control you have over your movement is insane, there is no other mech game like it. HA thanks for you kind words about the video, glad you liked it. I hope FS or someone looks at what VD is and brings it back, or make something new with the same ideas. Thanks for watching.

[@unbentcrayfish]

You had me at mentioning Hawken.

[@newtypepunk9967]

Yo fellow old Hawken player, yeah that game I would play all night into the early morning, such a fun game, and I'm not a person that really plays MP games, but that game got me hooked.

[@harmannsmith5653]

Have you heard the news?

[@newtypepunk9967]

@@harmannsmith5653 What news? Are they trying to bring Hawken back again?

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

I really wish AC5 is made for PC, without the need for emulation. It sounds like s game made for me.

[@newtypepunk9967]

It is a shame that FS did not port any of their old games to PC. ACV and VD would be perfect for PC players as well.

[@RX782GP03]

i see myself and some familiar ravens

[@newtypepunk9967]

Ha is that so, I knew some people from the discord would spot themselves, it was fun playing with you and the others.

[@scholarlygent]

Using the manga video intro is pure class

[@newtypepunk9967]

Ha thanks. I can see you're a man of good tastes to notice that.

[@LadyLenaCat]

Awesome review!!! It makes me so, so happy to see some more VD love out there in the world, I honestly would say it's a contender for the best game Fromsoftware has ever made. Being a relatively new fan, I only ever got to play the full experience for the last couple months of the servers, but I'd do unholy things to let the online architecture of this game eat another month of my life, conquest mode was SO cool and though I haven't even played it yet, I was so sad to hear 6 basically abandoned all those ideas. Recognising all these Mantis Inc player emblems is just making me wish for an AC game that feels as communal as this to come around again... feel honoured to be in that last jumping clip fr, thank you for making this video, even if FS clearly have little care for this title there will always be hope in my heart for some kind of port. Also small notes!!! To my knowledge world bosses are playable on PCVD for the players with sweet computers who missed out :')

[@newtypepunk9967]

Hey LadyLenaCat nice to see you here too, it was fun playing with you and all the others. Yes the true game that VD is only happened in the last few months because the player base became active again, after all the years of slumber, it was like the first year of the game again, so yes you joined late but you got to experience the game as it was intended. Oh it's definitely up there as one of FS best games, like I said their is no other mech game that can offer what VD did. AC6 yeah it's a good game, but if you played VD you will have an empty feeling after playing it, because it's basically a reboot missing so much. We can all hope for another game like VD, it might not even be FS that make it, who knows, I will support any dev team that tries to make something like VD, like you say conquest mode is life lol. Yes I saw that the bosses are playable on PC now, what's even cooler is that you can even fight the raid bosses from ACV, now I thought those bosses were truly lost forever, so it's amazing they got them back, the fans do way more for FS games than they do themselves, it's good and sad in away. FS really don't care about their legacy games, how we haven't got a an AC legacy collection yet is beyond me, Nintendo, Capcom will sell you Mario and Megaman etc a million times over, but FS can't even do one of their old series, but yeah at least people can still enjoy the game if they have a powerful PC. Ha that clip at the end, glad you liked it, I was laughing at the clip for a long time.

[@hamedo6111]

VD is a forgotten masterpiece............

[@newtypepunk9967]

That it truly is.

[@ethanspaziani1070]

A very good video ! Thank you for giving this game some recognition you have understood what true armored core is like verdict Day really captures it it has its problems inherited just from being 5th gen but it's an amazing game

[@newtypepunk9967]

Thanks for the kind words. Yes VD I think was held back by the tech of the time, but what the game actually pulled off was amazing.

[@ethanspaziani1070]

@@newtypepunk9967 it is such a amazing God damn shame that they just recently shut down the servers as well alright whenever people were getting back into it because there is no other place to play these games other than their original platforms it has made for a travesty honestly .... The most fucked-up thing is dark souls II servers remained up while they shut down VD.... I don't get it why will from not give us what we want

[@ethanspaziani1070]

@@newtypepunk9967 I and my team were the number one slots for armored core VD for the 360 when the servers went down I'm happy you did it justice in this video

[@ethanspaziani1070]

@@newtypepunk9967 I think more people need to speak up about how these games are landlocked onto their platforms from needs to re-release them on steam

[@newtypepunk9967]

@@ethanspaziani1070 I thought Dark souls 2 servers got shutdown as well at the same time in fact, the difference is Dark Souls 2 is available on PC and I think PS4/XB1 so it will never die. VD sadly never came to anything outside of PS3 and 360, so it was always at the mercy of FS, Sony and MS as one way another these companies would shutdown those old consoles services and that would be the end of VD. It really needed a PS4 port at the very least. I felt sorry for the Japanese players the most because they still actively played VD everyday and that got taken away from them. You can still play online via PC emulation but you need a powerful PC to do it, that is the only option sadly I don't see VD getting any kind of re-release.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

I'd say between 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th Gen, 3rd is still my favorite by far, then 4th and 5th (4th especially for White Glint), and then 6th for the amazing storytelling (though if you ask me, Last Raven, For Answer, and Verdict Day have the best storytelling in the whole series).

[@newtypepunk9967]

Hey Matt. It is hard to pick the best of gens, I like them all tbh, but 3rd gen is the number one I agree, AC3/SL and Last Raven, no other gen can match that out put, maybe if 4th and 5th gen had both gotten a 3rd game, but we will sadly never know. Funny enough my fav story is AC2, that game when you have the man him self Leos Klein and his AC is so iconic, the whole Mars thing, it's some hard sci-fi, plus 2nd gen designs might just be my favourite as well, ha like I say it's a hard choice, because all gens are good to me, even gen1 holds up.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

@@newtypepunk9967 Too damn right 3rd Gen remains the GOATed AC Gen, even though White Glint is my favorite Shoji Kawamori mecha design, I usually find a way replicating it in 3rd Gen (my main AC is like a hybrid of Weltall and White Glint btw).

[@newtypepunk9967]

@@mattmaddogwheaton4724 3rd Gen is GOAT indeed. I have seen few people attempt to make white glint in 3rd gen, the best one I saw was in Last Raven, but you need to activate cheats so you can use OP-I, when you do that it works really well. I still have one of your main designs on Last Raven that you gave me in a stream, you can spend all day in the garage in Last Raven.

[@wanderingbufoon]

Imagine if they actually made mods for this game. The first thing that would go out is the stupid scout mode blue green tint.

[@dhoffnun]

H A W K E N M E N T I O N E D

[@celticspear]

Cool video.

[@newtypepunk9967]

Thanks. It was cool playing with you and everyone else from the discord.

[@LaloBalteus]

It's a shame we cant play it without emulation, older AC games would be amazing to play on modern consoles, sadly games like Metal wolf chaosXD only got a Port bcs external companies(revolver digital in this case) was in their knees so Fromsoftware would give them permission to do a Port lol

[@newtypepunk9967]

I was saying for ages that I thought FS would release an AC legacy collection in the build up to AC6 but they never did, they really don't care, unlike Nintendo, Capcom and Konami that always bring retro collections out for modern systems. FS games are all doomed to be stuck on whatever system they were released on at the time. Metal Wolf Chaos also only happened because it has that America Fuck Yeah storyline lol, its basically a game full of memes.

[@harmannsmith5653]

Metal wolf is very nice action game which is often overshadowed by memes. Otogi 1-2 worth playing too

[@newtypepunk9967]

@@harmannsmith5653 Otogi I have the 2nd game but haven't had the chance to play it, another FS series that's trapped on older hardware.

[@Awesomemelon.]

keep droppin fuckin peak

[@paolorobledo2438]

it needs a reboot

[@newtypepunk9967]

I think AC6 was kind of a reboot tbh, I doubt FS will ever make anything like VD again sadly.

[@shmshare3868]

based

[@maxthunder2]

What's up punk! Good review! Even though I love armor core I never played verdict Day. The AC movement was weird I need to be able to fly whenever I want.

[@newtypepunk9967]

Hey Maxthunder hope you're good. Thanks. Oh I got into VD very late as I bought a PS3 near the end of its days, it is only in the final few months of the game I got to see what it was really about because the entire player base became active one last time, it was like I said, the most fun I've had on a mech game in a long time. I understand the movement is not to everyone's liking, being grounded most of the time, but you could build AC's that could stay in the air for ages, not quite the same, ACV is more grounded than VD, I guess the devs were trying to please the 4th gen fans a little bit. What the game offers overall is unmatched though. Given AC6 direction I doubt we will ever see anything quite like VD again.

[@maxthunder2]

@@newtypepunk9967 I'll give it a shot if I can find the Xbox version. I also didn't get the game because the day it released. It released the same day as Grand Theft Auto V! Of all the days to release a game! Armor core is awesome but it ain't no Grand Theft Auto!

[@newtypepunk9967]

​@@maxthunder2 Ha you're right about that, the 360 version is actually better than the PS3 version, so if you find it, you will have a good time. The release of VD was awful they just dropped it out of the blue with hardly any marketing, if you weren't an Armored Core fan you wouldn't even know that it came out, they truly sent it out to die, GTA V was just the nail in the coffin.

[@SiphonRayzar]

I personally, found Verdict Day to be a bit of a mess. It's an improvement over ACV, to be sure, but still not what I want out of armored core. I found the visuals to be muddy and uninteresting, very much the epitome of the "brown shooter" look that was saturating games at that time period. The gameplay is, frankly, not my cup of tea, with very clunky controls, limited aerial options, and IMO, significantly worse customization. The AC's also all look ugly as sin, and frankly I'm glad we're back to the traditional AC look with AC6. The story of Verdict Day is ok, but it's nothing special. Although, as a BIG fan of AC4 and ACFA, it was nice to see many references to Gen 4, with pieces of Cradles in a few maps, and the remains of the Spirit of Motherwill. And I'll admit, the final boss fight with Dark Glint was very good. The music is alright, although it's very hard to hear any of it over the constant "System: Scan Mode, System: Combat Mode, System: Scan Mode" that's CONSTANTLY blaring in the players ears. Frankly, I'm VERY happy that AC6 ISN'T a continuation of V and VD. V and VD had their time in the sun, but it can stay in the past where it belongs. I would prefer if the next Armored Core game played more like ACFA, or was more like the Gen 3 games. But NOT like Gen 5. No thank you.

[@newtypepunk9967]

I can understand if 5th gen is not your thing, I find most AC fans have their favourite gens and just stick to those games, which is fine. I just like good mech games, whichever gen they fall into.

[@SiphonRayzar]

@@newtypepunk9967 That's understandable. I want more mech games as well. The upcoming Mecha Break looks promising.