Linux Mint vs... Linux Mint (Debian Edition)

[@VeronicaExplains]

Hi all! Going to promote someone else's merch for a change. :) My shirt is from The Taylor and Amy Show's merch page: thetaylorandamyshow.myspreadshop.com/6502?idea=64c2a5659515e23cf872c9e7 Those of you asking where to get it- that's where! Go get one! 6! 5! Oh! 2!

[@noorihossein]

The text on your T-Shert, remind me 6502 CPU 🙂

[@Thiesi]

Hmmm, the way you're saying _6! 5! Oh! 2_ just sparked an idea: Someone should make a song about the _6-5-0-2 microproooocessor!_

[@XPFTP]

stay away from minty. they dont care about supoort at all. they care about numbers. there menu editing in cinnamon has issuex for over a year and noone will fix it. to me says we dont care. run debian itself . get away from minty

[@fredashay]

I agree with you about removable NVME drive. I also swap OSes, and I have a case that has removable HDD bays. I like to give each OS its own dedicated drive rather than dual-booting. But since NVME drives aren't swappable, I still use SATA SSDs.

[@imark7777777]

@VeronicaExplains FYI I don't know if you know about the latest? pandemic of "contact me" through another " T G service" scams on KZbin. Haven't seen one in a while just got one as a reply on one of my comments on this channel. It's sad that people fall for these things but at least this one got blocked before I could report it.

[@TechieZeddie]

Easily swappable NVMe drives would be nice but I think the connectors have a relatively low insertion counts unlike most external ports like USB.

[@nutbastard]

I could see a solution with articulated internal contacts to reduce wear, but that would be a kind of huge challenge for such a niche use case. It would be cool, but I don't think there's a market for it.

[@MrBearyMcBearface]

It's a slot. Make it better then.

[@kimeraevent]

@@ten-bob-note Just swap out some of the old parts for some upgrades. The slot can be repaired and there are always case enhancements you can get.

[@CompellingBytes]

Also, most NVME drives (especially pci Gen 4 and 5 drives) get *VERY* hot... to the point that it could become a liability for computer manufacturers if people don't (or ignore instructions) to give an NVME time to cool down after disconnecting. Multiple usb-c ports for external nvme drives though...

[@gerowen]

Yeah their rated insertion count is usually only something like 50 or 60 times.

[@ShinyHelmet]

One of the big advantages of Ubuntu Mint vs Debain Mint is the Driver Manager in Ubuntu Mint. It enables new users to easily install things like Nvidia graphics drivers via a GUI which would need to be done in the terminal on Debian Mint. The Ubuntu Mint also has more up to date drivers for Nvidia cards than the Debian edition.

[@ShinyHelmet]

@@UbuntuPersonNoMint Yes, although if Mint went Debian only then they'd probably need to come up with some GUI based way of installing Nvidia drivers such as you get in Ubuntu. Saying that the open source Nvidia drivers seem to be coming along well, so maybe in the future there wont be any need to install Nvidia drivers as they will be supported out of the box as AMD cards are.

[@ShinyHelmet]

@@UbuntuPersonNoMint Sorry didn't realise I was talking to a child. 🤣🤣🤣

[@ShinyHelmet]

@@UbuntuPersonNoMint I really don't give a shit! 🤣

[@TTS-TP]

@@ShinyHelmet now the comments are gone

[@ZijZijnZijnZoons]

After a failed career in truck driving for too many weight violations, my friend Overload decided to take up programming. Although he was excited about the idea of operator overloading, it did not actually involve putting more stuff in a container than it was rated for. He was confused. He did not know what to do. He was ready to give up. His CDL would not be reinstated for another 120 days, so he could not go back to commercial driving, which was more in line with his comfort zone. At this point, programming was his only hope, but how was he going to grasp the concept of operator overloading? Well he came for me to help, which I was glad to provide. I led Overload to a set of C++ references that covered the concept in detail and provided examples for him to follow. He was able to keep his programming job and would not return to a life of DOT violations.

[@VeronicaExplains]

I'm so glad you led Overload through that challenge!

[@RedSntDK]

Until I reached the very end of the video I was convinced this was a bot message.

[@ZijZijnZijnZoons]

Merry Christmas @@VeronicaExplains! Thanks for the great content!

[@molochi]

YMMSAB (you made me smigger a bit.)

[@trueriver1950]

SBRSOC (smiled but remained sitting on chair)

[@Florin76]

LMDE 6 is so good that it became my daily driver since it was released. To avoid dividing their efforts, the Mint team should consider putting an end to the Ubuntu line and make LMDE even more awesome!!!

[@kensmith5694]

I currently use the Ubuntu based Mint and I donated some money to Mint. Maybe a poll of donors would be a good idea for them

[@haplozetetic9519]

I've suggested Mint going to LMDE exclusively in other comments in the past, but now I'm wondering if Clément has a particular reason to keep both that he hasn't made clear yet. Perhaps they just want to have options available.

[@Florin76]

@@haplozetetic9519 Veronica had a point using Ubuntu LTS and Debian as base, is kinda the same thing for the 2 years release cycle. For me two bases for the same distro is a waste of resources. Debian is the wise choice as with Ubuntu you can't control its direction.

[@haplozetetic9519]

​@@Florin76 I tend to agree, but who knows what reasons they have? Maybe they already have plans to drop Ubuntu or maybe they have some reason not to that we don't know about.

[@milegjorgiev2857]

If they drop Ubuntu and switch into Debian completely I'll starting to donate to stimulate devlopment, because i see bright future unlike Ubuntu. So i vote for LMDE.

[@RonaldChmara]

Please please please make a video (or point me to a pre made?) with your personal thoughts/experiences comparing snaps/flatpak/packages (maybe even tarballs?). NO litigations or arguments needed, just super curious, and would like some trusted wisdom. Maybe it'd be LED overload ;D , or opinion overload, but I heavily and sincerely appreciate your framing and perspective on such often absurdly contentious issues.

[@timmcreynolds2734]

Alright Veronica, you have won me over. Your tutorials have helped me through some pretty gnarly stuff, and when you said that you prefer the LMDE, I had to subscribe. Thanks for what you do. I have used Linux, starting with Caldera 2.3, way back in 1998, since reading the EULA of the 800 pound gorilla. Thinking I would dual boot my W '95 desktop with Linux on the same hard drive, I didn't thoroughly read the book and wiped the W '95 system. I had to learn this stuff fast. That was when Linux really couldn't do everything like it can now. Of course since I didn't know computers other than the hardware, I didn't know what I didn't know. Thank goodness, even before things like blogging and video content there were always folks smarter than me willing to help out. Now I get to watch your presentation style and have a great time learning what you share. Thanks Veronica, I love when you 'splain things to me.

[@bobbyfried7478]

The Linux communities in 98' were far friendlier places it had an air of: "were in this together".

[@wisteela]

​@@bobbyfried7478We've still got that now.

[@AndyAyres]

LED Overload! I've always had a soft spot for Mint, it's one of those distro's that seems to focus on getting the job done. I've started to poke around at the LMDE version just for funsies. You mentioned running Debian Sid in the video, and I'd be curious to see a comparison of Stable v Testing v Unstable branches of Debian...

[@samsh0-q3a]

I second the idea, I'd like to see some long term comparisons between the 3 branches, "they" say sid breaks more but Debian is so rock solid..wtf does that even MEAAAAAAN?!

[@smarkson]

Endorsed. Even a LMDE rolling release frankenstein mode with repos "upgraded" to Sid. BTW, I love adventure and I have Debian Sid KDE/Plasma running in my daily driver laptop.

[@barkhascherp7746]

Just installed linux mint for the first time today! I tried both ubuntu and LMDE versions as a live session and I genuinely could not tell the difference. Went with the ubuntu version just because I heard it has more community support and this is my first linux install. Thank you for your wonderful and informative videos!

[@andreyansimov5442]

I install it three weeks ago. I knew I will use LMDE as less updating(i hate this) distro. So how its going? Are you usual guest at forum.linuxmint ?

[@CharlesCollins]

How are you getting on using Linux?

[@Be-Es---___]

Went back to Windows...... 😂

[@barkhascherp7746]

@@CharlesCollins tbh I wish my work wasn't so demanding so that I had time to learn the terminal and try out different distros on my old laptop and have some fun with it! I can't see myself getting a windows device ever again to be quite honest (other than my work-issued computer or in a VM perhaps). I am very happy with linux and hunger for more

[@CharlesCollins]

@@barkhascherp7746 I'm the same. I use Windows in Gnome Boxes for just one program that I use daily which I can't get to run on Linux. Enjoy your Linux journey

[@ktnjared]

LED Overload! I'd be interested to see the comparison of vanilla Debian vs. LMDE. Also, cart dumper? That's an exciting tease!

[@pnachtwey]

I have used many versions of Debian with different desktops and now I use LMDE. Some of the other desktops are good too. Where I ran into problems early on is that Debian didn't include WIFI drivers and others. I had to 'go fish'. If I remember right the xfce desktop was good too. I had a preference for light weight destops because I was experimenting with Debian on old slow computers.

[@gkcadadr]

@@ktnjared In essence, LMDE is Debian set up to almost identically replicate the Linux Mint experience. All the tools utilities and pre-made configuration etc that makes Mint such a solid OOTB experience. Whereas Debian’s desktop releases are pretty basic and you end up needing to install and configure a non-negligible bunch of stuff to approach the completeness of Mint, Debian or not. But IIRC the downside of LMDE is that it’s harder to use Debian on the testing branch.

[@piotrekz2142]

Im new to Linux. I tried both LMDE and Ubuntu-based Mint. I stick with LMDE, but the only reasons are my preference and more trust towards Debian team than towards big corporation, especially after RHEL commotion. When it comes to your future videos I would love to know more about backports, because I tried it once, of course I messed things up, and never tried it again.

[@TylerInTraining]

For the time being this is my rationale for sticking with LMDE, and I'm saying this as someone who has only been using Linux for ~1 month. I have a lot to figure out since I'm currently on an Inspiron laptop from 2012 after my last laptop died a few months back. My goal is to have a Linux machine that I can do serious audio production and lighter gaming on, which knowing what I know now is definitely possible. That said for daily driving, there is ZERO reason for anyone to feel stuck with using Mac or Windows after my experience with LMDE because it just plain works well.

[@MrCobalt]

As someone who has been using a tiling WM for some time, it's become incredibly difficult for me to go back to using any kind of floating window desktop environment, so neither of these are probably my cup of tea, but on the same note, having virtually endless options is what's beautiful about linux. It can be overwhelming for people who are coming from MacOS or Windows, but whether they choose Arch or Mint or anything in between, the community as a whole should still welcome and help them embrace the change from the corporate spyware OSs that they're attempting to leave behind. The linux community needs to shun the elitist gatekeeping types that scoff at others based on their choice of distro or desktop environment and celebrate anyone who took the initiative to get away from closed source operating systems. Also, LED overload.

[@brianconnery2801]

Which tiling WM are you using? I put i3 on my Linux Mint and after trying it for about a hour, went back to Cinnamon DE. It was just confusing and too much going on between the workspaces (3 monitors).

[@MrCobalt]

@@brianconnery2801 I use i3-gaps with picom and a very toned down theme from bumblebee status. I use dmenu to launch applications but Rofi is also a good option. I think the appeal for me was the amount of upfront customization and even custom scripting I had to do for i3 just to "make it mine", so to speak. If there's anything I can say to help someone with their first dive into i3, it's to remember that the config file is where most of the magic happens. I have 3 monitors, and you can set up default workspaces for whichever display. Mine starts up with workspace 1 on my left monitor, 2 on the center and 3 on the right, and monitor 2 is my default, all set in the config file. I like the way i3 deals with multiple displays compared to other tiling WMs but that's just my own personal preference. Probably far too much to cover here, but if you ever jump back into i3 again, try and stick with it and see how deep into it you can get.

[@uxoy]

@@brianconnery2801 I had a similar experience but with awesomewm

[@abhabh6896]

Adding alternative keyboard layouts was impossible in i3wm for me so I gave up.

[@alexandretakahashi9737]

Started with Ubuntu fifteen years ago. It was Arch Linux that really made me understand what freedom is. LMDE was in the path also. Great piece of art Veronica! Thank you for your dedication.

[@mattvisaggio]

Yes, please explain back ports, etc. Super helpful

[@pluto9000]

It's the USB at the back of the laptop. 💁‍♂

[@haplozetetic9519]

I would appreciate a back ports video as well.

[@rkenw996]

I would like a backports video too please

[@jonoroberts1]

Backports Yes!

[@glenngenoway7990]

Since I use Linux Mint, any additional information is great for me. Thank you! I love your presentations!

[@mchenrynick]

I'm just voicing this in for clarification: The GNOME desktop has Mac-like settings, while the Cinnamon desktop has Windows 7-like settings. Using Linux Mint atop of either of these, will give you lots of additional customization =)

[@Pablo_El_Mago]

Mint is the distribution I recommend to every user who wants to start with Linux. When I worked at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, it was the distro I installed in the labs to run VMs and keep the PCs running (used LMDE for that). For a long time my primary distro was Mint KDE. Really miss it hehe. I would love a series of videos on LMDE and Debian from the desktop user perspective, comparing it to the Ubuntu based versions and to Ubuntu itself. I feel that with flatpak and a little customization, LMDE can be a GREAT distro for everyday use. Love your videos!

[@rursus8354]

Yes ... but! If you're in tiling and stacking, I'm interested to know how you have set up your own working desktop.

[@alexsocop]

I want to see a video on backports!😊 And a comparison between Debian and LMDE!

[@theimp67]

Well here I am, on Christmas day, and having just installed LMDE on my ThinkPad, just to give it a quick test run, I am now installing it on my 'main' PC. I've been using Mint for a while but I didn't even realise there was a Debian based edition so I'm going to switch to that. Great video, thanks for bringing LMDE to a wider audience, even if it was only me who was oblivious to it.

[@llchristubell]

Merry Christmas Linux installing! Hope you have some egg nog while you do it!

[@MikeWood]

The idea with the slot for swappable drives is a good one! running LMDE on one machine and the flagship one on the other. No complaints. No real end user differences I suspect if someone were to pick it up and use it. Worth a go.

[@coffeehousephilosopher7936]

That's what I did, I saw that the Ubuntu version had more support and decided on that very reason; I wouldn't be surprised if that's why it remains popular over its LMDE counter part. Still Debian is great and with more modernized support I'm sure LMDE will catch on.

[@redheadsg1]

5:49 "Installing is pretty strait forward". To me as Windows power user IT WAS NOT strait forward. I had to reinstall LMDE like 4 time because i don't understand how partitions or file system works on Linux. It was really annoying and it took me at least an hour to do so.

[@tomapc]

Using Mint Mate since whatever came after Ubuntu 10.04, and Mint became by all means "10.04", meaning it is indestructible, never fails, runs on anything i have ( i have a lot, like from 1995 till now), and lately switched some PC's to LMDE6. There are still major differences between Mint Mate and LMDE6, everything is snappier on Mate, but rendering video is faster on LMDE6.

[@richj120952]

So, I have been playing with Linux since it came out in shareware back in the early 1990's, a couple of years after it was first created. The difficulty level was major, especially getting drivers, and even if you could get a driver, getting it installed. I was primarily a casual/hobby user, as at work I used VMS, and DOS 3, and windows among other operating systems on mini-computers. Enough about my background though. I have been recommending Linux Mint, with the Cinnamon desktop for years now. Both Ubuntu based and Debian based work quite well for the home user wanting to get off of Windows. I currently have Fedora 39, with Cinnamon desktop installed. (What can I say, I like that desktop.) I haven't loaded Mint (Ubuntu based) recently though, but I get the issue about constant updating. (It used to be when you updated Linux, way back when, you did not need to reboot.) In any case, I would be interested in your looking at Fedora and getting your opinion/review.

[@ThalassTKynn]

I switched to Mint when Ubuntu went to Unity desktop, and it's been my go-to for years since. Though I do distro hop sometimes to change things up. Your point about ejectable nvme drives just blew my mind. It'd be like the old PCMCIA card slots, but a million times better!

[@jennoscura2381]

That's when I switched too. I went from Ubuntu with Gnome 2 to Mint with MATE. I still use MATE.

[@kitrod]

Unity got quite good by the time it was discontinued, really wish they kept developing it.

[@edalder2000]

Linux Mint or LMDE? The OS "just works" either way. I use LMDE6 because it's user friendly Debian and Cinnamon is a great DE.

[@xero110]

5:32 I 100% agree, I loved my old Dell with an easily swapped SATA HDD via a side hatch. The problem is that NVMe does not have the staggered length pins like SATA. The pins are staggered so ground gets connected first which prevents a short that could kill the mobo or the drive. A lockout that would prevent a swap while the system is on would be too expensive. We need a consumer redesign for NVMe to allow swapping.

[@ghost-user559]

You wouldn’t need to redesign Nvme, just create a cartridge like enclosure with whatever pins are necessary to avoid any shorts. Kind of like the concept of the micro sd adapters which slot into a full size sd card cartridge in order to fit into a regular slot.

[@stephen1r2]

@@ghost-user559 The U.2 format NVME is swappable with the right backplane. Or the newer E1.S ruler drives

[@ghost-user559]

@@stephen1r2 Interesting. I wonder what the advantage of M.2 is to make it so prevalent then? I suppose swapping wasn’t as much a consideration with nvme. I know my Solidgm is single sided and M.2, and as far as the ones I looked at, virtually all of them were M.2 as well. Is there any particular reason why U.2 is less common?

[@Megasteel32]

ive been a long time OTHER OS user attempting a CS degree so i got the ubuntu based LM edition on my laptop last semester. this video has convinced me to switch to the debian one on both my laptop and desktop.

[@MarcosLand]

What a timing. I installed linux mint on my old laptop to use it as the main OS on there. I have no intent on going back to windows any time soon

[@richardsantos2220]

Power Overwhelming! No wait, thats something else... LED overload! Enjoyed this rundown Mint vs LMDE! Would definitely be interested in watching all of the video concepts you mentioned: backports, Debian 12 vs LMDE, and especially ROM dumping. The Atom Netbook running 32-bit LMDE might be painfully slow, but it can't be any worse than running Vista was back in the day. I'd enjoy seeing a Flatpak vs Snap comparo - particularly highlighting their strengths and weaknesses (especially the background that explains why one is more popular than the other)

[@PhyleXTension82]

Thanks Veronica, I used LMDE as a daily driver back when they first released it - when it was a pseudo rolling distro. Have always had a special place in my heart for LMDE as a result. That being said, I currently run Pop_OS! as I tend to game a bit, and appreciate the updated kernel and mesa drivers. Am considering a change soon though.... Kinda like the ethos of Tumbleweed, although have always run into "issues" with the firewall when I have used it in the past (printers, I'm looking at you!). Thanks again for the content, and hoping you have a great festive season. Btw, LED overload - as a gamer I feel that keenly, as apparently everything needs to glow like unicorn vomit....

[@i-love-space390]

Request of future video ----- I am interested in the advantages and pitfalls of a straight Debian based system. My main issue is I don't like SNAPs or Flatpaks due to library and memory issues. But I love the simplicity of finding software through a "Discover" or other software GUI program that helps me sort through the options. Clearly, the LMDE is a good middle ground that gives the user info about whether an app is a Flatpak or native Linux program, but it would be interesting to see how a Debian user would solve the software finding challenge. Also knowing what other things I would have to deal with in straight Debian due to your own experience would be nice.

[@pt9009]

Always love to see your new uploads, Veronica! My family loves Mint.

[@FrDismasSayreOP]

I use LM as an every day experience. I find it customizable enough for my tastes, and it's quite stable.

[@kellybmackenzie]

Amazing video as usual! c: This is really informative! I've been using Linux Mint for a long time now and this makes me wanna try LMDE! I also agree so much with 04:07. Having a backup plan like that sounds great. Also: 11:43 Yes please!! A video on backports would be really nice! :D

[@cantdance3077]

Wonderful content as usual. Your enthusiasm for all things Linux makes your topics more interesting and helps me on my open source journey. Also I love that you are comfortable with word, "swell".

[@SilverFoxww]

And you can upgrade kernel to 6.5 (supported until August 2024) from inside of main LM. Or you can install kernel from outside sources, something like XanMod (6.6.x-x64v3) or Zen Kernel or Liquorix. I'm using Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon with 6.6.8-x64v3-xanmod1 kernel for a moment.

[@leisurellama3014]

yep, super easy to update the kernel in mint. literally took me 2 minutes to update it today.

[@TheFattredd]

Happy to see you making more videos. I'm looking forward to your ROM dumping video!

[@gabbe319]

Any chance of a video showing how you can simulate common Linux SysAdmin tasks/skillsets on a homelab some day? I think it would be a great resource for people looking to prepare for SysAdmin careers 😁

[@helloimatapir]

Check out Learn Linux TV.

[@i-love-space390]

Thank you for presenting the differences between the versions. I am currently on Kubuntu, but I am not a fan of SNAPS and I am looking for an alternative. The idea that hardworking programmers of a distribution could plug a security hole in all the libraries and tools, and then some lazy application programmer could fail to update a SNAP and my system could be vulnerable due to a single application using an old vulnerable library is quite annoying and concerning. I may find ways of limiting my use of SNAPs in Kubuntu, but the idea of a system like Linux Mint Debian being built from the ground up without SNAPs enabled is pretty good. I tried Mint about 9 years ago and it simply was not as stable as Ubuntu. Hopefully, I will be happy with the latest versions.

[@dktol56]

I think the live images of Debian bookworm use the Calamares installer, which is highly customizable. That's probably what the Mint team starts with for LMDE. Maybe they use Canonical's ubiquity installer for the Ubuntu side. That might account for the differences in the installers.

[@masaufuku1735]

I came here to comment this - you are exactly correct. The Ubuntu spin is using the Ubiquity installer, while the Debian spin is using Calamares. As for specifically "why" they stick to the same installer as upstream, the answer is probably simply that unifying them on one or the other would be extra work without a whole lot of gain.

[@matejobbagyi4249]

I tried LMDE due to compatibility issues with other distros on my MSI laptop. (never buy MSI again) LMDE was the only distro that recognized all the hardwares and I only needed to tweak the hibernate/suspend function to work perfectly. I tried other distos with gnome and kde but cinnamon is the most suitable DE for me due to my long and dark windows past. LMDE is also a great choice if you dont agree with the directions of Cannonical. (data collection, advertisments, etc...)

[@jonathansaavedra8135]

Thank you for uploading this video tonight, now I'm alone at home and I was bored without knowing what to do... Greetings from Santiago de Chile

[@josiejodosiedoe]

the way you explain concepts is so wonderful! I went from one of your videos to the next, shocked at how easy you make things to understand. thank you!! :--)

[@oasntet]

While it seems unlikely that Ubuntu will go away any time soon, Canonical have made quite a few iffy and/or sus decisions over the years, so being ready to jump if 24.04 turns out too skeevy to fix is a great idea. I personally am on Xubuntu, sometimes with i3, but I don't mind building from source when xfce4 (or any other system component) does bug fixes that don't get released until the next LTS. Mint got a bit wonky in the late 2010s and I haven't quite forgiven it, but LMDE might be a good alternative now...

[@Enispecialist]

I’d like to know more about Wayland vs. X11 if you get a chance

[@macphile]

LED overload is cool and all, but comparing stock Debian with LMDE might be more interesting. This was the best explanation I've seen on the difference between the Mint versions, thank you!

[@keylowmike85]

She does bring up a great point, I would like to see a port for swappable drives. Merry Christmas, Veronica!

[@lorensims4846]

I've always used the xfce desktop ever since I wedged a full install of Slackware -current on the ASUS EeePC 2G Surf I was given and KDE just wouldn't run. I've never been a fan of Ubuntu (except for the Satanic version of course) so I'd be more interested in seeing the Debian version. Old packages are par for the course with Debian. This is why I run Slackware -current. It's still more stable than most other distros' "stable" versions. Linux has always been the OS of choice for older hardware. Shout out to the venerable 6502! LED OVERLOAD in the comments!!

[@cypherian2]

Well this video mad a subscriber out of me, it was great! Thank You! I've been using Mint on and off for years, and just for giggles and grins decided to finally give LMDE a try about a week ago. I like the fact that this feels more like its own thing rather than a reskin of Ubuntu. It's always nice to have alternatives, and I agree with you, this one ought to be more mainstream.

[@youfoundisaac]

I'd love your perspective(s) on NixOS other Linux KZbinrs seem very excited with all the potential, but I wonder if the learning curve is too steep for simple tasks Is the juice worth the squeeze?

[@pabloqp7929]

not enough usecases yet imo

[@kizersoozie]

Another great video Veronica. I started dabbling with Linux back in the late 90's and have tried out 45 different distros over the course of my Linux adventure. Linux Mint was the one distro that scratched every itch, so I installed and ran Mint on a refurbished laptop starting in 2015, and switched to LMDE 6 when it became available. My secondary Desktop is also running LMDE 6, while my my primary desktop is dual-booting Mint-LMDE 6. I like both versions, and both 'just work'.

[@answerman9933]

The old IBM Thinkpads had easy access to their hard drives. It was east to swap out drives to change another operating system.

[@greggregson9687]

I use Mint as my daily driver, and have done so for many years now. I have introduced a number of people to it over those years, and with the occasional bit of assistance (MUCH less than when they had windows PC's. It got so bad with those needing hours of attention that I started telling people I didn't know what to do) have happily stuck with Mint. I have tried some people on POP, Ubuntu, etc but they all have come scurrying back to Mint. Now, I am not adverse to trying the Debian version, but see no need to make the switch unless required, as my system is rock solid, and has been so now for many years and many updates.

[@praus]

Curious about a comparison between the standard Arch Linux install and Garuda Linux Dragonized version. I tried out Garuda and really liked it for gaming. My friend who had their own Arch install that they had done from scratch, thought Garuda was a waste of time. For me, Garuda was very convenient to install and included a lot of tweaks for gaming that I wouldn’t have even known about.

[@mavfan1]

Tell me you're a Garuda fanboy who just wants Veronica to talk about Garuda, w/o telling me.....

[@praus]

@@mavfan1 No, definitely not a fan boy. I'm someone who doesn't know a lot about Arch (hence why I went with Garuda) and would appreciate someone showing how easy or difficult it is to make Arch behave similarly. And/or talk about any benefits from configuring Arch yourself because I really don't know. I watched her video on installing Arch and it seemed doable if you know Arch but intimidating to me who doesn't know it.

[@praus]

@@mavfan1 If the answer is just, "yeah you can spend time making Arch behave exactly the same but there's not much difference," then I'd probably stick with Garuda. If there's a marked improvement or some other benefit I'm not aware of, then I might go to the trouble to do it at some point, probably when I'm not in school.

[@lucielcampbell2737]

We use Mint XFCE where I work. All staff PCs have been using it for around 6 years now. Historically, our biggest gripe has been that 2 year update window. Some software (specially for devops) can get a bit long in the tooth. Flatpack has definitely helped with this (not having to wait for the new versions to be added to the apt repos). That said, we've always appreciated the stability of not being on the cutting edge. As to why XFCE instead of cinnamon (and by extension, considering LMDE instead)? Basically, we started with i3 2100 based basic PCs with GT 750 and 3 screens so. any extra performance was welcomed and XFCE performed best out of the offerings. Nowadays, we're no longer limited to old hardware but we stuck with XFCE just out of convenience on what we were used to. I have, however, wondered about LMDE many times and this video was very informative, thank you!

[@bernardmueller5676]

SNAP is horrible.

[@Prescott2400-my6di]

Nooooo, They aren't horrible. Are they bad? Yes. Are they very bad? Yes, we can say that. But not horrible.

[@miket.220]

SNAP is fine for servers, but IMO Flatpak is superior on personal desktops as an alternative to .deb or .bin packages.

[@aliencreation8744]

I think they’ve improved them

[@dj_chateau]

​@@miket.220Snap is terrible for servers. It's update mechanism can easily break something in prod. It's awful sandboxing cluttering mounted block devices, awful start up time for any given binary and poorly laid out permissions systems just makes it aggravating to work with. AppImage and flatpak are still something I'm not a fan of but they blow snap out of the water easily.

[@afriquelesud]

Pointless opinion if not factually motivated. Elaborate.

[@IAMSEYMOURMUSIC]

this was a lovely video. Zero filler, all info, quick and concise, nicely presented, just great info, thanks!

[@Sakurina]

Great video as always Veronica! Would be interested in hearing about backport repos as I am somewhat confused by how they work after returning to desktop Linux after a decade of absence.

[@paladingeorge6098]

On that side note you made about laptop drives...we use to have quick swap bays for full 2.5'' drives on laptops! Some high end business machines still have them, but why they aren't common in consumer devices I'm not sure other than its a cost saving measure.

[@EditsAnimations]

Debian version? Ubuntu version? Wasn't Ubuntu based on Debian? So that makes the Debian version the TRUE debian version and the ubuntu version, a "Forked Debian" version

[@robinstone564]

I’d love to know why you switched from PopOS to Debian. Mainly because I switched to PopOS from Mint on your recommendation.

[@LeoNux-um7tg]

can you show us your tiling setup?

[@stevethepocket]

"And don't worry, I dumped this ROM myself." Doesn't the Sega Collection on Steam also just ship with raw ROM files somewhere in the folder? I know it used to.

[@SCPackerfan]

Great video, Veronica. I'm typing this comment on my Linux Mint XFCE machine (a Dell Latitude E6530). I think the biggest obstacle to my use of LMDE outside of a virtual machine is the absence of an XFCE desktop option, unless I install it myself. I know I can do it, but from the results I've seen on the user forums, It's just not worth the time and the effort, and it looks like a Frankenstein monster vs. the configuration which arrives out of the box with a standard, Ubuntu based Mint installation. For now, unless and until Clem & Co. decide that Ubuntu is no longer tenable as a base for mainstream Mint, I really have no incentive to switch. Best wishes for a happy new year!

[@donmarek7001]

I'm running LM on a Lenovo T420 with 8Gb/SSD dual boot. I like the fact that LM can find printer/scanner drivers and work and has a simple interface to do updates. It also find my Windows partition and allows read/writes. Camera works and wifi and such. I have a touch table I want to try with it and a couple of other printer scanners.

[@BeardifulBill]

I am new to Linux Mint (Ubuntu edition) but snap us easy to unblock on Mint which I needed to do for my password manager. Which natively installs from snap. The flatpak version of the same app is terrible and crashes within seconds of opening.

[@maxtharpe9871]

I would love to see a Debian Backports video as im thinking about dumping win completely for LMDE or Debian 12 , if I can get my gaming to work!

[@kevincozens6837]

I was setting up an SD card for an embedded system board. I tried it with Armbian (a Debian based distro) and was impressed by how easy it was to get it up and running and configured for the local WiFi. I work with an Open Source community that uses Debian testing so I decided to try that myself in the hopes of always being behind on needed libraries to compile the code. I installed Debian 12 and did the usual update/upgrade. The install didn't go well. From power to desktop was 14 minutes and after trying it a couple of times the mouse wasn't always working. I've been using Mint with Mate for a few years now. I will try LMDE with MATE and see how that goes. Thanks for the video comparing the two distros.

[@theodoreivanov6257]

Unfortunately, the LMDE installation is still as bad as Debian's: it terminates with "Bootloader GRUB not configured properly, you must configure it manually". Good luck with that. Ubuntu 22.04 installs flawlessly. It's a pity, as I want to move away from Ubuntu's snap, whilst remaining in the deb world. Suggestions anyone ?

[@Jerichofr]

Quite informative. I was running a dual-boot Win11/OSX on my PC. But after recent Microsoft decisions, I decided to drop Windows completely and installed Mint on the drive that did have Windows on it, So now I dual-boot Mint and OSX. Have only really dabbled in Linux before because I game alot on my PC. Hopefully, I get the hang of it. heh.

[@fransheitkamp]

Thanks for this excellent video. I have tried both Mint Ubuntu as well as LMDE. On my older PC and Laptop Mint Ubuntu worked out of the box Whereas LMDE had issues with the pc with the graphics card and with the laptop with the WiFi driver. That made me stick with the Ubuntu version.

[@ba6287]

Similar experience

[@jarrodtrinque3714]

Just want to say I'm so happy to see this move you've made away from big companies and I'm very excited to see what's on the way!!!

[@Modighen]

LED Overload. I used to horse around with Linux years ago when I was looking for lightweight operating systems. I'm a bit too preoccupied right now to get back into it, but your content is definitely keeping me in the loop. :)

[@thatjpwing]

Excellent video! I haven't looked at LMDE in a long time and this video compelled me to make the switch. I've been running Debian on my servers but messing around with different desktops, like I've been doing for way too long. Based on what you presented here, I think I'm going to enjoy the LMDE experience. I look forward to giving it a try. Thank you!

[@psltmtir]

Underrated channel! I was just wondering this after thinking about hopping to Linux Mint and seeing LMDE on the website. Has anyone ever told you that your video style resembles Technology Connections? He is also a person familiar with LED overload!

[@TigerPaw193]

A video on back ports in Debian and LMDE? YES! A video comparing the Debian-based distros MX Linux 23 and PeppermintOS? Yes.

[@boredgrass]

Love the subtle ..."innuendo" to "certain alternative operating systems"! 😉 @ distro videos: Distros for extreme old PCs to be used as "emergency systems" I have an at least 15 years old Thinkpad OEM, 1.5 GH dual core which runs Linux Mint. which can play 360 to 480p youtube, and cloud language learning software. But I have a feeling there might be distros that a more suited to this hardware.

[@kayronnBR]

vídeo muito interessante sobre o Linux mint e mint debian, nunca iria saber se um vídeo bem explicando desses. muito obrigado

[@MrJakeTucker]

I use Windows and Debian on 64bit CPUs desktops and when it comes to Linux, I distrohopped for a year and have stuck with Debian since 2004. I do still have a Dell laptop from 2005 with an Intel 32bit CPU, maxed out RAM and a SSD and it has Debian stable with Cinnamon on it. I only use it as an audio player though. It's parked in the kitchen and I mainly use it for listening to music and audiobooks. There have been times when I have used Firefox on it though. Checking email or a KZbin video. It works if I knock down the resolution to 144p but that's fine because it's audio only content that I "watch" on KZbin. Happy New Year to you and yours Veronica.

[@84Actionjack]

Yep, interested in 'Backports'; definitely. Still distro hopping but Mint and LMDE I've had running for quite some time yet my main linux desktop is Kubuntu for now.

[@ItsAlce]

5:51 it's because for the debian edition they made their own installer so it has live mode and for the ubuntu version they used the ubuntu installer

[@ryanlemere4212]

LED Overload! Rock on Veronica love the videos and the jams! Thanks a ton!

[@geekdk]

I favor LMDE over the Ubuntu based Mint simply due to a fact that Ubuntu based Mint has Grub broken for UEFI. It is hardcoded to wait for 30 seconds before automatically choosing the default option during boot. LMDE has this corrected with 3 seconds of wait. But that was a while ago before I made a switch to LMDE. They may have corrected it by now, but I have no reason to switch back.

[@rolandstrasser9839]

You definitely know what you are talking about Veronica. I personally prefer LMDE over other distros, Ubuntu based or not. Did you ever try Open Mandriva?

[@What_do_I_Think]

I like the "out of date" but best microprocessor (BMPOAT) being on your shirt!

[@revbikerbigd8664]

I'm a win7 and now win 10 . I don't want win 11. What mint etc..runs like win10 with out having to do a lot to get it running. I'm not very technical, so out of the box would work for me! Thx

[@ringo8410]

I have been using Mint since March 2022 and have never had an issue with it. I highly recommend it, especially to people coming from Windows. Happy Holidays!

[@Thorned_Rose]

I've personally run Arch for about a decade now but since I also like to help folk get into Linux, I try to stay up to date on the happenings of other distros. Happy that I can now recommend Mint Debian after watching your video! Thanks!

[@AndersHass]

In regards to having M.2 drives being plugged in like SD cards is probably not going to happen when it is build for more permanent installation in mind where SD card is precisely build for being swapped. Even M.2 drive size can vary (mainly thickness and length) where SD cards has specific specifications for their size. If you had an enclosure to the M.2 drive it could work but then you have to swap the drives out in the enclosure or buy a new enclosure and the M.2 drive needs to fit in the enclosure (then the enclosure could also work with thermal issue if you use high end that needs cooling).

[@paullong4086]

Such a great video! I tried to switch to Debian testing the other day , but failed miserably. I used a couple of videos I found online as a reference and changed the sources file as they said, but when I rebooted I was stuck on a frozen login screen. Keep up the great work Veronica!

[@Noam_Kinrot]

Thanks Veronica. 1 - What is the difference between LMDE Mint and Debian 12 with Cinnamon on it? (I also tried KDE and found that in the long run I make it look same as Cinnamon, but less stable or coherent. I also tried recently Arch linux with Cinnamon, and found it unsatisfying, and no better than the LDME nor the Debian 12 with Cinnamon.) -I would appreciate you thoughts about the differences, Debian based distros, and your thoughts about KDE and using Arch - which seems more orientated towards people who enjoy spending hours on customization, more than getting things done using their computer.

[@stevethepocket]

A word of advice to anyone considering either of these: Check how much swap space the installer is defaulting to. I'm pretty sure I breezed through the process with all the default settings, and it gave me a paltry 2GB that caused the system to completely hang when there was too much going on. And by "too much going on" I mean I had Minecraft running (unmodified) alongside Firefox and Steam and that was all. Had to look up how to expand the swap space, which mercifully no longer lives in its own dedicated partition. I ran into other game-breaking issues, but they're so severe that if they were caused by anything other than a gremlin living in my specific computer, I'd have heard about them by now, so I won't get into it.

[@SapioiT]

Who led overload to convert the functions and methods? (Why are functions and methods overloaded, instead of replaced, or some other term?)

[@PhilipCrichton]

Great vid, thanks. I was an Ubunto refugee after the Gnome fiasco and Canonical soon after drove into a ditch. I wanted Debian and found LMDE was closer to what it would be like after I was done configuring it. It's been my go-to ever since

[@williambryant7686]

Great video! I switched to Linux Mint on a Framework Laptop as my daily driver from a MacBook Pro. Even though I spent preceding months playing with Linux Mint on an old HP Stream to ensure I could use it regularly, the process with my new laptop has taken several months to get up an running. The initial issue was with the kernel: I needed to update to a 6 series kernel and install proper drivers for a dock to get it to work with my external monitor. The good news is it is easy to update the kernel even for a noob like me.

[@ZeroFPV]

5:30 As someone who wants to change from Windows to Linux I did notice the different installer. I tried to set up LMDE in dual boot with Windows and had to search for some time how to do this. The normal Mint versions just detect Windows and do their stuff automatically.

[@godminnette2]

I used Mint from around 2018-2021, then the laptop I had it on died. It was a great experience! I re-installed it on a family room desktop last year, but some places (such as the Linux Discord server) advised against using it; I ended up un-installing and installing MATE instead, but my experience has not exactly been stellar. Can you speak to the many concerns I've seen raised about Mint, such as being less stable than standard Ubuntu flavors, issues with their dependency on Ubuntu's repos for the kernel, mixing of Ubuntu and Debian packages, and security concerns due to their website being hacked? (Though I have used checksum validation for the distros I've downloaded).

[@PossessedGR]

I just installed Linux Mint 21.3 cinnamon edition and it's so user friendly and fast that I love it. I am curious about LMDE though and was also thinking to try Debian. Maybe you can do a comparison of LMDE vs Debian. Might be useful to others as well.

[@BWGPEI]

Well, this old boy has been running the Ubuntu based Mint distribution as our daily drivers for the last several years - MS Windows 10 was our turning point. LMDE has been our "Plan B' since it first came out and something I installed on a 32-bit Lenovo T-62 laptop. Both versions install easily and run dependably. Happens I still play StarCraft too, but have the original disks grin. Wishing you a happy and healthy 2024 I am.

[@thekidneystoner6183]

One really important thing I feel viewers of this channel should know about: in my tests, LMDE 6 works seamlessly with laptops with switchable Nvidia graphics. No manual toggling is needed. Just apt install the nvidia driver, install steam and games, and you are good to go. This is HUGE for me, because I have struggled to get this working properly for nearly a decade (nvidia prime is not really the best solution).