Vertical Slotter/Shaper Cutting an Internal Keyway, Manual Machining

[@fergusonto-2032]

We had a horizontal shaper in a small machine shop I worked in about 40 years ago , it’s the only one I’ve seen since , another great video , so glad I found your channel . Thankyou

[@mabmachine]

These are definitely cool. I would love to see more videos about slotting setups and things like how you center the work up.

[@peterhuber8731]

Watch his earlier video when.he first got the Morey, it might help explain a little better about the setup kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpu9en1-r52ff6c

[@mabmachine]

@@peterhuber8731 thank you!

[@tttco]

Great video thanks for posting. I used to run slotters when I was a machinist. Always enjoyed cutting keyways on them and also grinding the tooling. I still have some I ground up in my Kennedy tool box. Hopefully someday I get a slotter for my shop.

[@machinewrangler4682]

I rarely comment on anything, your vertical slotter is a real beauty. Perfect size too.

[@Toddster81]

Really enjoyed seeing the vertical shaper! Brought back my job shop memories. I used these back in the early 90's cutting key ways and hex ID's.

[@markwatters6875]

Thanks for the video mate. Have a great weekend 👍🇦🇺

[@randydeboer832]

I have not seen that type of machine before. nice work Josh.

[@chazlabreck]

I came because i'm trying to cut a 1/4 key way in an EV motor for a custom car (MG MIDGET RAT ROD) and i was in aww of how awesome and monstrous that machine is

[@jackdawg4579]

you certainly have some larger and unusual machines in your shop!

[@davidrichards5594]

Truly a great machine to have in a shop, it can do a lot of things that no other machine can do. I,ve always thought that the crescent shaped pressed in brass "half bushing" design in steam locomotive drive boxes was designed that way just because a slotter could machine it.....Dave

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I agree. There are so many designed not used today because the CNCs can't make them. I really cant wait to do some interesting things with this machine

[@glennmoreland6457]

Have an old slotter with a rotary table on it.. You can angle the cutting head on it as well... It was made in the early 1900s by Cunliffe & Croom, Manchester, England and is a lineshaft driven machine that would've been run off steam back in't day... Good video 🇬🇧🙂

[@ericlakota1847]

As iron worker mechanic im always amazed how well the tools hold up made out of hard hard stuff

[@MattysWorkshop]

Gday Josh, there an awesome machine that’s for sure, I’d like to see more of this, cheers

[@geoffflato2094]

My shop is mainly a hydraulic shop, but we do a fair bit of repair machining too. Like your shop all manual machine tools. Mostly newer equipment but I have a beautiful 1952 dated Cincinnati #4 vertical mill and just bought a Pratt & Whitney model B 12" slotter yesterday. Glad I found your videos, I will be watching everything you have on the slotter as I have never actually ran one before. Keep up the good work!

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I never ran one before getting mine. Super fun to run once you figure it out. I do long internal keyways with a =/- 0.001 or less tolerance over the length, usually 10 inches.

[@geoffflato2094]

@@TopperMachineLLC I have a whole list of jobs I'd like to try on it already. Big splined couplers are one thing we'd like to be able to make in house and I can't think of a better suited machine

[@TopperMachineLLC]

@@geoffflato2094 I have a job i need to get started on that is a custom splined hub. Not big by any means, but nobody makes one long enough. I have so many personal projects I want to do on it, just need the time.

[@captcarlos]

Josh, massive machine. Impressive. Surely it has both a power feed and a stop just like a shaper, only vertical! Thanks for the vid.

[@SUROBLEDEKchannel]

Very good 👍

[@nschelling6420]

Now there is a machine you don’t trip over every day! It does look like a much better option for a job shop than broaches for internal keyways.

[@theessexhunter1305]

very nice, all the best from the UK

[@GardenTractorBoy]

This was great to watch and I would like to see more videos on this machine and the different jobs that can be done with it, thanks

[@charleskutrufis9612]

Man, Do I like that machine, thanks for the video.

[@SgtCude59]

Cool machine , better then some of broken machines I have used

[@satguy]

Wow a vertical shaper.

[@jpsimon206]

Could that thing push a form tool? How much grunt does it have? I'm sorry to blow you up with questions. I've been smitten with this tiny little English Jig bore, I would love to find something like it on this side of the pond. I'm getting ready to downsize significantly so I'm a lot more interested in machines that are capable of many tasks. Traditionally I've always preferred machines built to do one job and do it quite well

[@TopperMachineLLC]

It's only limited to my imagination. I will be working on splines coming up this year.

[@millomweb]

I'll put a slotting/shaping head for my mill on my 'to make' list ! That should be an interesting project !

[@stevenslater2669]

The right machine tool and the right machinist = a steady niche job ‘reservoir’. You can depend on those jobs to pay the utility bills. Any idea how old that machine is?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

May of 1942

[@jpsimon206]

Such a large and elaborate machine, surely it is not for keyways alone? Is it capable of vertical planing or shaping? There's an English channel I enjoy with very small hubby machines. He has one he calls a jig border but it doesn't look like any jig bore in the states. It's basically a tiny milling machine with an integral XY and radial table. Seems like a wonderful little machine for the hobbyist. Is yours only capable of slotting? I would imagine having a spindle on that would be enormously useful?

[@mftmachining]

Excellent job.....and a beast machine.

[@kentuckytrapper780]

Great video Josh, keep'um....

[@AaronEngineering]

G’day Josh. That Morey is such an amazing machine. Thanks for sharing with us mate. Cheers 🍻 Aaron

[@firehousecustomfab3286]

Great video. I have a question. I'm still a little new to this. For an internal key way, when you touch off, do you have to include the radius in it. I know on external keyways you have to get a flat before you start your measurements.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

It's from where you touch off. Machinery handbook has all the info needed for keyways. If you don't have one, don't do anything else until you get one. The old ones on eBay are just fine for hobby.

[@ellieprice363]

@@TopperMachineLLC That’s the same question I was going to ask. Thanks for the answer.

[@bigsmoke6189]

For short runs and one off jobs a slotting machine can save a lot on having to buy keyway broaches .

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I won't even use a broach anymore for keyways. Since I bought this machine, I've been getting everyone's keyway work. Even shops with keyseaters are sending me their keyway work.

[@dermotkelly2971]

Well done. I can't think on how you can get the tool on center before you start cutting the keyway! My brain has gone numb

[@peterhuber8731]

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[@peterhuber8731]

Watch this earlier video Josh made, it might help explain a little better

[@grahamsengineering.2532]

Nice video Josh but you need to show how you centre the tool to the chuck and table. Cheers.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Eventually I'll get there.

[@nathanielsanchez9442]

What is the widest key you can slot

[@ericlakota1847]

That thing could make gears too that is how they made huge gears with machean like that

[@jpsimon206]

I inherited a shop made manual slotter, basically a very beefy arbor press with a perpendicular cutter in a monster boring bar. I could never understand why slotting machines were so huge and specialized for such a minimal job. Then I took a class about the fundamentals of metalworking. We had to cut keyways with a cape chisel. It only took one day of this activity for me to start thinking about ways to automate it. But I've never seen another manual slotter before but I did get an opportunity to use a Bridgeport style jumping jack. Was not terribly impressed, it really did not save much time nor effort compared to manual. Then again, I don't think I have the capacity to cut a keyway any longer than about 20 in from each direction. I don't think I've ever come up on a project that required more

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Great machine . One came up for sale down the road from me , other priority's have to come first ! 👍

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Max, you would never regret getting it. I almost didn't get this one, but was turning away a ton of work suitable for it, so had to get it.

[@bcbloc02]

I almost bought a Pratt like that but the shipping made it cost prohibitive. Maybe some day!

[@TopperMachineLLC]

One of the best purchases I've made for the shop. You wouldn't regret having one.

[@THEIRONWORKER]

I ha d a chance on one of those but passed it up because it was to big for my shop . But way cool

[@akfarmboy49]

i never have worked around one. i'm looking for one.

[@Prashant-wk6wf]

I have a confusion is slotter and vertical shaper machine both are same or not? Pls tell soon I have exam from day after tomorrow.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

As far as i understand the two terms are nearly universal.

[@jpsimon206]

It just occurred to me that I don't think I've ever seen multiple woodruff keys being used in a single shaft. They are so much faster to cut, I would think that lower torque projects might opt for a handful of woodruff keys instead of a full length key. Why would this not work? Or if I'm right and it could work, why do you suppose it is not done? Is there a blanket rule of thumb for when a traditional key or a woodruff key makes more sense?

[@captcarlos]

I have only seen woodruff keys used on locking taper joints where the taper takes the torque and the key defines alignment.

[@ellieprice363]

Several Woodruffs in line would work although I’ve never seen it used. The keys are mass produced, hardened and don’t weaken the shaft as much.

[@millomweb]

Josh, please give me your expert thoughts on why that slotter doesn't have a clapper box - if this was done on a shaper, it would have !

[@ShainAndrews]

I'm going with... gravity.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I wondered that too until I ran one. Clappers won't work, at least in the traditional sense. The only way to do it would be with springs or something mechanical, and that really isn't worth it. The tool really doesn't wear on the back cut anyway.

[@millomweb]

@@TopperMachineLLC So that begs the question as to whether they're really needed on shapers!

[@TopperMachineLLC]

@@millomweb I've seen shapers used without. It's really dependent on what you're doing. If your running a business, probably not. But as a hobby,and having limited money for tooling, probably.

[@ls2005019227]

When cutting splines or a keyway on a shaper, the clapper isn't necessary either, & is often locked down. When cutting a surface where the table moves after each stroke, the clapper needs to be oriented so that the tool swings free of (away from) the work on the back/return stroke. The prevents it from digging in or spoiling the freshly cut surface.

[@bostedtap8399]

👍

[@d6joe]

How much does the little beasty weigh?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Between 10,000 and 12,000

[@jeremycable51]

Made me regret letting that prat and Whitney 7” go

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Now that I have this, I'd be lost without it. You better get shopping. Lol

[@jeremycable51]

@@TopperMachineLLC I’m sure lol but I choose my radial arm drill instead and glad I did love this thing 79 jet 3’x7” remade the feed worm wheel and been using it since

[@TopperMachineLLC]

@@jeremycable51 yeah, I love my radial too.