Vice City Definitive Edition “classic lighting” - Is it faithful to the PS2?

[@VisionXUpdates]

5:48 the fog in ps2 is stunning

[@Manic_Panic]

The PS1 and PS2 were really good with alpha and transparency textures, better than the competition at the time. Fog effects, windows, helmets, glass, fences and other things always looked best on old Sony consoles.

[@Lordicus21]

weird, San Andreas have a good close fog with the Classic Lighting

[@nerad1994]

No, YOU’RE stunning!

[@gaminghedgehog6384]

@@nerad1994You’re STUNNING, you’re all stunning

[@Dave_Albright]

Vice City didn't had fog in the weather loop. Fog only exist as a cheat

[@s3xtrance]

2002 vice city continues to impress me how it manages to look so pretty

[@Stefan-xm7ti]

RenderWare was magic. Some of the most beautiful games have been made with it.

[@Analog-to-digital-cotinual]

People used to say they got headaches from playing og Vice City with trails enabled but i wouldn't play without it, it just added so much to the atmosphere of the game for me as a kid and with the motion blur and heat haze it was almost dreamlike visually

[@OkOk-bj6nn]

I wish Tommy actually looked like Tommy and not a imposter

[@alparslan284]

He looks like Indian in the definitive edition

[@DanielHaduniuk]

No more Tommy Spaghetti 🤣

[@DanielHaduniuk]

Fog were killed a low specification. The game were lags unmercible

[@DanielHaduniuk]

Now last years of improving of gameplay

[@DanielHaduniuk]

Need more clouds on early evening

[@HatedJared]

VC of all the original trilogy is a vibe. The lighting. The music. The setting. It all has to play well together to create the magic the originals gave us. This is better but it still looks like MegaBloks

[@commanderskittles6558]

This is Genuinely Such a step in the right direction for these versions, I hope they work on a update to touch up the character textures, I actually really like the Cartoony look, but they need a lot more details

[@ShadeEnigma]

Maybe Cel Shading, if they are that dedicated to the cartoony look.

[@MeadeJ67]

@@ShadeEnigma Please no.

[@mexdrago3009]

@ShadeEnigma For the love god no. I hated when sf4 started to have it and hate switch games that have it.

[@mexdrago3009]

@@ShadeEnigma No way

[@rikzy]

I love how detailed your descriptions of the scenes are, I could almost listen to this video without looking at the screen 😁

[@garyjones7721]

The game still needs a lot of work, then. I like the new lighting but honestly, there is too much contrast and saturation. Character models and a lot of environment textures need to dial the colours back.

[@DontEatGlass]

The volumetric fog feels so iconic to Vice City I can't lie - it's so odd not seeing it on the definitive edition : (

[@5copfxqt]

1:07 the cop and the woman fighting on the background gave me 100 years of life now

[@zzzvain9710]

COP KICKED HER SO HARD TRAFFIC LIGHTS FELL

[@eggychipz]

Finally, a fine detailed video, I like how you even compared to the ps2 Trails option, that’s a thing most people forget about lol. Great job

[@bluruckuscrx8124]

I absolutely hate how the water looks in DE

[@kreal1990]

too realistic?

[@LegoFreeza]

whats wrong with it

[@circularboat7429]

PS2 VC had such a unique style for its weather effects, and I hope that rockstar can add more updates to bring that style fully back in the DE

[@entrancendental]

I am just right now learning how different the colors are with Trails off. Growing up, we always turned it off right away because it looked so blurry, so I never even knew what all I was missing.

[@stargateheaven23]

It pisses me off its called "definitive edition" when over half the things are missing.

[@kurtg5405]

Which makes me glad that R* are fixing it.

[@Pro1938ftc3ch]

One main thing that definitive edition beats on og vice city and GTA 3 is the shooting controls are way better you can now sprint shoot with every weapon

[@liamjones9115]

'Over half the things' is a bit hyperbolic.

[@addogivestabo7105]

But it does look better I just don’t understand the problem

[@AttakusZakus]

@@liamjones9115Especially considering the things that it’s missing are small tweakable things graphically and physically that can easily be added in by Rockstar. Which it seems they are doing finally.

[@Lucas66393]

2:26 that yellow looks like Vice City Stories

[@EliteEasyE]

They should make modern lighting look more like trails off and classic trails on

[@alexanderreyes3356]

The new lighting matches that of Vice City Stories more

[@_Super_Hans_]

Could watch these comparisons all day

[@ElOsoMarino]

The stickers filling the space in comparison shots are a nice touch, good job

[@danin900]

The original is still miles better, but I can appreciate the effort

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

No its not. The definitive edition may not be as faithful to the original in terms of art style, but it is still a vastly superior game compared to the original. The graphics are in a league of their own, the bug free experience is inexplicable, and the performance and refresh rate on modern systems cannot be competed with by the classic games.

[@meatsafemurderer7743]

​@angrysocialjusticewarrior "bug free experience" Okay bud. I haven't played it much but I can tell you that the Definitive Edition is definitively not free of bugs.

[@vSoulreaver]

​@@angrysocialjusticewarriorat least be a little bit more original.

[@southernfried19]

No it’s not dude. Those games look DREADFUL on their original hardware in 2024.

[@iShredStreets]

@@southernfried19 Nah, man. I’m playing GTA III on a JVC PVM at the moment and it looks amazing. If you play on some random LCD that stretches it out then duh.

[@magxel]

GTA Vice City OG PS2 the best way to play!!! the correct particles (newspapers, Candy suxxx flyers on Dodo mission, the beautiful fire particle) particle.txd and the best audio quality!!!! and more songs on the original Vice City radio!!!

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

the originals are still so much better

[@adrienm8989]

You’re blind

[@Harry-bd6pb]

Nah

[@ethanbeutel]

​@@adrienm8989Are you?

[@mexdrago3009]

in 3 more years, it will be complete like the ps2.

[@Night_Owl_Noah]

The soul has been sucked out in DE versions

[@wittywolk]

2:31 man, the apricot-colored sky was such a solid choice. It’s a shame they’ve gone with this piss-yellow vibe now, but hey, still better than what we had originally in the DE. Honestly, though, the Definitive Edition cranks up the contrast way too much in my opinion. There’s black crushing everywhere, when we should be seeing subtler shades of gray instead.

[@garyjones7721]

Yeah, I agree. I had to turn the contrast slider all the way down and it improves the look and also helps with everything looking oversaturated, but honestly, I think that's partly to do with how the textures were remastered as well.

[@wittywolk]

@garyjones7721 that's why I'm glad I'm PC player, at least we have ability to mod this thing.

[@garyjones7721]

@@wittywolk Yeah I modded the original a few years ago on PC, I have no desire to mod this version, it's too much work lol

[@phillydavison]

I will 100% buy this if there are a few more patches to truly make it definitive, some more character work is needed and I'd like the missing song tracks to come back but I realise that's probably a pipe dream at this point.

[@johnmcternan4157]

This is phenomenal work, you GET the vibe.

[@K15l-g7g]

OG Vice City on PS2 will always be the king. It's a gorgeous game.

[@Ahsanbro3000]

I hope the new team see this video because I do think they want to improved as much as possible with these games and by the way man your videos are so professionally made it makes me appreciate these games even more because when you're playing them you never stop to realize how beautiful these games are even to this day

[@TheNamesJER]

I definitely think that if they got the yellowish color matches more to the peach color of the original, it would be a HUGE improvement. The DE is also quite a bit darker in a lot of weather so getting that fixed would help a lot too. Great video! Really excited to see your video coving this with GTA III. I feel like the classic lighting misses the mark, especially during the day, and doesn’t have the drab blueish-green tint the original had but that’s why I’m excited to see how it compares.

[@Dr_Kushhh_420]

Thank you for taking the time to make these videos Captain. Subscribed 🎉

[@PWN3GE]

It feels like the Definitive Edition reused some of the new San Andreas fog color settings for some of these.

[@AW-kr9fl]

Man the lighting in the original was so cool. Reminded me of a tropical vacation

[@BakersBoringContent]

Bro the cop got down to business at 1:11 lmao

[@ferdel4nce]

Love these videos! They’re so well made! Thanks dude

[@soyeons.vegetable.supplier]

I wish there was a lighting upgrade that was more aligned with trails off

[@maxbracic7744]

13:04 god dayum it still amazes me how GOOD this game looks with the trails. I don’t think the DE will ever recreate this vibe

[@yarr_bro]

That closing shot, wow. I already 100% Vice City, but I’m looking forward to checking out what San Andreas’ “classic” changes look like. Great video.

[@overcastskyline1747]

I also noticed that the game seems a lot darker, if you noticed at 7:48 compare the buildings, its like this in many more areas of the game, i understand that realistic lighting plays a big role now but it still kinda kills the vibe of the scenery in many ways, they also need to update the orange haze for vice city, make it more pinkish in a distance, it kinda looks like san andreas at times which is not true to the game.

[@MrGTAmodsgerman]

6:12 something isn't right here, because with the release version that i still have on my drive, the weather looks actully foggy with extremeemly foggy volumetric vehicle lights. They actually seem to have downgraded that even lol.

[@DeadPixel1105]

If another update is in the works, I think fixing/extending the LODs should be top priority. Or bring the haze/fog closer to the player, so the awful LODs are concealed.

[@M1ckyCFC]

I don’t think Vice City needs any fog in classic mode. SA definitely needed the fog and it works in GTA3 I just feel VC doesn’t need it.

[@xanderside8899]

When its dusk and/or foggy in real life, it makes me wanna play the 3D universe

[@alexsilva28]

16:48 I need a 10 hour version of Lance dancing to this

[@Unlikelihood]

What i would have done differently would to actually make a good definitive edition and make the og graphics an option for players just like it worked with the halo trilogy

[@Natsukashii1111]

It was impossible. It's a port to a new game engine completely, not a updated game engine. So they had to work to try to recreate the same look which didn't go that well

[@EtkinBoztepe]

this is really good comparison

[@marckcf9600]

11:40 cool detail using that iconic italian neighborhood hit&run soundtrack ❤

[@ScorpioCesarcade]

Can't wait to see you tackle GTA3! Love these comparisons, really goes to show just how great the OG versions still hold up to this day.

[@desmondmiles7170]

Finally someone who knows wtf they’re talking about and appreciates vice city especially the original ps2 version, San Andreas is amazing but we going back to vice city baby one last time gta6 is gonna be the big one

[@symboltherapper]

It’s so funny hearing that super mario world piano …

[@brunoh.1312]

14:27 I love that classic vice city police brutality happening in the background with that nice atmosphere, it's poetic.

[@dylanrandall4585]

Another excellent comparison video!

[@DorminatorX]

i really dig the blurryness of the ps2 version.

[@federicomeneghini6947]

A better comparison would be comparing the Definitive Edition to the original Xbox version which had better graphics and textures. The PS2 version, while legendary, was worse and doesn’t allow the best comparison.

[@CaptainGlack]

The Xbox version of the game has slightly different graphics, as well as the fact that it came out much after the PS2. Besides, it’s also consistent with the San Andreas video I made, which required PS2.

[@by.joanne]

I don't understand why nobody is talking about heavy contrast in the new DE lighting that makes everything much darker than it should be, especially in comparison to OG games.

[@GeorgeEntecott]

Always turned trails off straight away, didn’t like the effect in GTA III. So I didn’t know I missed out on the colour wash in PS2 VC. Learn something new everyday. Thanks.

[@patrickmaher5135]

Great video man. I enjoyed it. I hope the developers see it and can convince the accountants to help implement some of the changes needed. I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting to purchase the new edition, as soon as I hear its worth it. If not, well og ps2 is still great.

[@cjmarsh504]

1:11 The police officer just knocked someone out 😂😂 I miss playing the ps2 version of vice City

[@EliteEasyE]

Jeez this is detailed AF

[@audax117]

I was waiting for this one, cant wait for the GTA 3 video Just a heads-up, you may want to compare GTA 3 with the Xbox version as well. I feel they pulled a more of the atmosphere from that version instead of the OG classic PS2

[@BigdaddyDalaodie]

The vibe of the original one is amazing. That's why Vice City is so beloved by everyone. It still lacks soul in the definitive edition.

[@Da_unknownBrother]

I wish they would add a cockpit view

[@MMK_033]

I really liked the way how they made the sun risen and set. Although at first the image seemed too contrasting.

[@JaviArte]

Please, make other video with the GTA III to compare the lights/weather 🙏🙏🙏 This, and the other for SA, are GREAT to see clearly the difference. And they are even a good point of reference to developers.

[@ianabreu3360]

They are going in the right way, on the next steam sale i will play it

[@ShadowSnowLeopard95]

This might be one of the most detailed and fair comparisons between the Definitive Edition and OG, R* should definitely take notes. For me, I think besides the lighting, the biggest problem is how plastic everything looks. The old school models were not designed with this high of a fidelity and it just doesn't mash well. I don't think a remaster is enough. They should have done full remakes ala Resident Evil style style to really recapture the magic of everything, but it would cost too much and let's be honest, this was just a cash grab and an excuse to make people hate the OG games so they'd hop on GTA Online to buy shark cards.

[@aussieknuckles]

I like the Lighting makes the games darker in the classic mode as they did feel darker, and the Grey tone of the storms in the classic lighting feels a lot more like GTA Vice City on PS2, but all in all the Tone of the Originals will provide always be unmatched.

[@entrancendental]

If they could just patch in volumetric fog near the camera we'd basically be there.

[@briannab4770]

Love these scrupulous comparisons. Color grading, vibe, mood, ambience, whatever you wanna call it, it's HUGE to me.

[@Ni5ei]

I still miss the orange sodium street lighting 😢

[@Techcensorshipbot]

They likely are still working on this. Hopefully they can implement these visual trademarks.

[@NathanBossMan25]

Brilliant video.

[@AngeloLunch]

Classic lighting on the Definitive Edition looks like GTA: Chernobyl!

[@AlexKS1992]

Considering they fixed these games I’m seriously considering buying this for my PS4.

[@C0bblers]

Play the originals.

[@Commieblackman]

The definitive edition should at least be accurate and look somewhat like the originals 💀

[@MelodicVirus]

Really sucks though that R* / Take Two delisted the originals Developers should give people the option of originals always

[@johnmcternan4157]

The film industry is much better at preservation.

[@BruceMichaelFilms]

It's not "faithful," but it's beautiful. I just played through Vice City DE on PS5, and I was in awe of the graphics on an OLED television. Now, the gameplay and physics in these versions is another story.

[@thedeadstig123]

I always find the DE version of vice city needs turning down a few tones with its colours, everything is still so eye popping like its simpsons hit & run

[@MrMightyZ]

Everyone is hyper focused on the lighting. The lighting was merely an unpopular aesthetic choice. Hardly a crime at all. I’m interested in the 432 actual sloppy and really bad mistakes. The actual errors. The lighting change, while broadly seen as a poor choice including by me, wasn’t even a mistake. It’s nice they’ve introduced an option but what about all the many, many, many ways they actually objectively f- ed up?

[@promark5317]

Dawg they fixed hundreds of bugs in this patch.

[@condevampichoco7395]

so sad that they removed the volumetric fog and lights from the carlights and lights in general, one of the few good things the definitive edition had at launch, still not even close to how it looked on the ps2, amazing art direction.

[@leax7061]

You can adjust the contrast, brightness and colour saturation so it can look like older version

[@volrath__]

Man, I'm kinda disappointed in this, Vice City was my favorite of these three, I live the 80s aesthetic... The one thing that the new patch hasn't brought back is the glow, I loved the neon of the original game, even the glow of things like the traffic lights and lamp posts just gave everything this overly saturated 80s vibe where everything is bathed in color I so wish they managed to bring that back, but it's just missing in this 😞 which I find weird because they managed to do it really well in San Andreas, Maybe that just got more love because it's the one most people love?

[@cinnamontoastcrunch5665]

The hit and run music 😍

[@4creilly128]

Technology has advanced. Why try to hold back the remasters to be less good

[@Boba_Fett1980]

Damn what a shame, San Andreas is now very faithful in terms of art style and the atmosphere and weather while this.. Only has the art style. It still needs a hell of a lot of work to the weather types and the overall atmosphere and more work to the lighting, and all three games still need a complete character models overhaul. I'll play San Andreas de but skip vice city until it's better.

[@YAH2121]

Tldr: the classic lighting in DE still has less atmosphere than the original, and has no volumetric fog for some reason. The DE seems to hate fog in general unless its in the distance. And the water color never changes with the weather.

[@MrSkullMerchant]

Is that simpsons hit n run music in the background?

[@Material_Monkey]

Im glad I was still able to buy the og ps2 versions on ps4 before the DE came out and replaced them on the store

[@JaviArte]

Seriously. The fog NEEDS better treatment :( In all 3 games.

[@Unlikelihood]

I loved it on my phone and lost hope that we would ever get classic lighting on console so this caught me off guard :D main problem was that the controls on the phone are just not good imo therefore i was stuck with the defective edition until couple days ago

[@madzmedia2]

I think when it's daytime sunny around 10am - 12pm the ps2 ver to the latest DE looks vastly different and the DE looks really off. Wish you did that comparison.

[@benjipaname846]

Niceee video 😁

[@shaggy3986]

the simpsons hit and run phone booth music at the start 😩😩

[@elderado]

old intro plz

[@user-kv4tj1jv5x]

With definitive graphics, you can use material clouds instead of volumetric. It looks fine.

[@justinrodriguez1686]

I think the new one looks insane especially in vr

[@user-ws3sl9xi7y]

Last thing they need to add back is Michael Jackson tracks and the SFX for when your discarded brass casings hit the pavement!

[@pauliusmscichauskas558]

I believe that it's very possible to fix the definitive editions. However, they need people who are paid to specifically do that. A dedicated person who nitpicks the lightning, a dedicated person who nitpicks the character designs, a dedicated person who nitpicks collision meshes, etc. And that's all they do for as long as it takes.

[@FemboyTrain]

13:08 I see they still haven't fixed the missing idle animations in the Definitive Edition

[@BobotPlayzBobotRebel]

another captainglack upload yes!

[@CaptainGlack]

GTA III next!

[@nier-f9s]

I have the Vice City PS2 version on my PS5 and after comparison with the DE version the PS2 one is still more visually coherent and appealing..

[@Name-tn3md]

Wow authentic font from gta vc streets. Like 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻