Meet the Infamous Debt Collectors of Indonesia

[@kcfamilam5109]

"I don't feel I've used the money" ok now I know why they pick the thugs for this job lmfao what kind of an excuse is that.

[@diazekoramafirdaus3397]

KC Familam I think she was scammed. She said someone else take all the money. I think it's common in Asia, I certainly know the same case in Japan and Korea. People unwittingly signed a debt contract for someone else.

[@signumxmagnum]

Some people that closes to you sometimes convince you to take a debt especially a credit card debt where they make duplicates of it and use your new credit card to buy stuffs on your "name"

[@Meonium]

Really? They can do that duplicating stuff? How?

[@signumxmagnum]

I don't know the exact detail, it seems that you can claim a lost card or something then you will be given a new card without the old one get invalid.

[@E1N9A8N0DA]

Daotaku Ning That kind of scam cannot happen. There cannot be two cards with same code number. At least in my country, but I guess it's the same in every industrialized country. By filing a loss/theft claim, the bank that supplies the new card will report the older one as lost/stolen, and flag it on the bank network. The bank will warn the user that from the moment they get the new card, if they somehow find the flagged card, they must NOT try to use it in any way, and return it to the bank; or more often, simply destroy it. Whoever finds it and tries to use it to pay for something will be denied the transaction (and can/will be tracked back by the insurance company), and if the same card is used to withdraw money from a cash dispenser, it will be swallowed and impounded.

[@amaniysajidah]

"If you steal a motorbike in Indonesia you may be burned alive or killed" yup, that's exactly what happens here

[@mcaesario]

Zahra I legit just saw an IG post about a thief burned alive in the open

[@tj843]

Shit they do that in Haiti too that stuffs not tolerated

[@amaniysajidah]

Sher Tanumihardja Theres also a guy that burned alive buy mass of people from a neighbourhood cuz they thought he stole the amplifier from the local musholla (a smaller mosque) and we also have terrorist attack here

[@mcaesario]

yeah and that one too. we live in a fucked up shithole

[@ariefraiser140]

Zahra Central and west Africa too. They put you in tires and light it on fire. People are too poor to tolerate thieves. In fact my cousins have seen thieves run to police stations to escape the mob.

[@prakashrawat8734]

"We don't want to pay, because we feel like we haven't used the money" *Understandable, have a great day*

[@normal9591]

More like: "understandable, anyway, pay the debt"

[@rizky1421]

@@normal9591 but that's the joke--

[@alexandremouton7169]

"OH NO, anyway"

[@pupasarus]

If you haven't used it then give it back.

[@priersackh]

@@normal9591 yep, true. "Understandable, now gib me da monies"

[@ff82800]

Aside from their scary reputation, Mollucans are Indonesia's best singer

[@Kriskazam]

hahahahaha

[@swerks197]

lmao random

[@warsofstars]

It's hilarious but also SO true

[@naristamonica6574]

True. One of my uncle is from ambon and he is a good singer. He is also a very nice person.

[@Teguila]

Main Bola Juga (Gio van bronckhorst, Sonny Silooy, Tahamata, Jos Luhukay, Bobby Petta, Denny Landzaat)..dan main Guitar: (Memru Renjaan, Vinchenzo Tahapary) Badminton: Dicky Palyama ..And by the way last week a Moluccan Grandpa won the The Voice Senior 2018 of Holland...Best Senior Singer Of Holland...It Makes the Moluccan people proud, world wide!..kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4q6eoSLod9geJI

[@saki-go1wr]

Indonesia is like Brazil but less drug

[@roxaskaragi879]

And less gun

[@DekaPaksiWiranagapati]

and less aclohol and prostitute and also less crime

[@thicc800ty]

@@DekaPaksiWiranagapati no alcohol is abundant

[@adventuro5103]

Bukan Indonesia , tapi ambon nya + Papua

[@jamesardian8717]

But more smoking

[@anditard]

I work in a bank. And I've worked with these people, sometimes dealing with repo, they aren't scary, as long as you're not their target. Lol.

[@rigele8127]

ofc lol

[@muhammadfauzi7419]

Repo:v

[@anditard]

repo= reposition. aka nyita kendaraan/ bangunan yg jadi jaminan

[@youcanpunchmeintheface]

@@anditard lebih tepatnya repossesion, alias juru sita

[@giwank996]

Its true. I used to work for leasing company. And i have met alot of them. They are acctually nice person as a friend, I repeat AS A FRIEND :) but if your name in their list..well, goodluck hahahaha

[@dahale848]

"At the end of the day we are all humans. Now give me all the money before I end your human life." -Indonesian Debt Collector

[@swerks197]

MANOJ DAHALE Lmao

[@emomales5782]

*our money

[@addierizky7194]

your* human life

[@hernuprawira1969]

@@emomales5782 word "the money" is true bc the money is not for them, bank hired them to do a jod called debt collection.

[@bigdawg9811]

Hahaha

[@debsel1779]

"Dont' play victim. You are the perpetrator" That's right. I lost sympathy for the lady.

[@Hariman-iman2019]

I agree

[@leewalker23]

You don't know how annoying people here when they loaned money from you and you tried to take back what is yours

[@MrMaboboz]

That was a powerful speech though.

[@sopianwahyudi]

@@leewalker23 damn agree. Got reported to the popo cause i asked nicely what is legally mine. Ungrateful bastards, I helped them, now i need my money they chased me out

[@leewalker23]

@@sopianwahyudi welcome to indonesia. That's why i never lend people a huge sum of money. I only lend maximum 7 bucks (Rp. 100.000) so whenever they don't return it, it gives me a lesson about their characters.

[@srusdy]

Despite their reputation, most Ambonese are one of the most friendly person in all of Indonesia. Seriously, once they consider you as their friends, they will welcome you like one of their own family

[@copporn1615]

Many easterners are rough, but if you are kind to them, they will pay it tenfold. But if you ever do bad things to them, then pray for your life

[@Numberonesambatukamfan]

@@copporn1615 nice profile pic

[@copporn1615]

@@Numberonesambatukamfan thanks 😊

[@Han-nk3io]

Carry a mechette everyday with you is very Friendly .

[@adityadwirohman9072]

It's same like Russian

[@alexchavez4978]

The son wasn't weak, he was being reasonable and had sense to avoid the non sense.

[@fahmiibrahim3477]

Musto Chase i want to say it both misstranslation and not misstrlanslation. The word "lemah" could mean a lot of context on its bases meaning of weak so there is that i guess.

[@fredericksharon5095]

Okay me know it all.

[@yumehera]

the weak context was about him giving in to them about the debt, the mother was tougher because she didn't want to give in and stay stubborn not wanting to pay the debt

[@HOESCALLMEFUZZY]

The son shouldn’t have spoken out while the mother was negotiating. Never let anyone outside the family know what you’re thinking.

[@levia3118]

Agree

[@oneofone210]

"Some say we use violence, but there is no evidence of that." I'm just saying, that isn't the best way to phrase that lmao

[@urbnctrl]

It is the most bad ass way of saying it thk

[@joshstagg148]

A few sentences after openly admitting to have used violence in the past😂

[@lb5560]

Also Indonesia: Some say I have no motorcycle licence, but there is no evidence of that.

[@TheOverlordEND]

@@lb5560 Yeah, till the police decided to do their daily check up routine then you're basically fvcked.

[@Aniyah-CHG]

@@TheOverlordEND Eh that's a big if

[@DevilIceHart]

Man: "Yeah I've been to prison several times for murder and assault, now let's grab the machetes and go collect some debt" Vice: "They were feared because their skin was dark"

[@reijisan9852]

😂😂😂😂

[@anccert]

Vice needs to hire more female reporters so we can continue to see the cognitive disconnect. Vice's motto at the end of all their reporting, "capitalism bad, everyone's a victim."

[@slammermchammer]

​@@anccertyou know you were making a good point until you tried to meatride capitalism despite the fact that it's one of the reasons that these people even exist in this career I mean the monetary incentive is like the entire reason for basically all of this Sending washed up thugs to scare people

[@anccert]

@@slammermchammer Those people would still exist in other systems, they would just be government officials that either send to the person to a gulag or reeducation camp, while the government would have the incentive to seize the property to recoup the debt/taxes.

[@Ally-oi8hq]

Vice think this is america, but the truth is most of indonesian have that kind of skin color. Why do you think most of indonesian women have obsession to have white skin? Thats cuz most of people here have tan,brown, and dark skin color. So white skin became the ridiculous beauty standard even if it kinda change for the better now

[@Rainrainrain17]

Did he say TAKOT and UTANG? In Philippine language,it means “fear”(takot) and “debt”(utang)same as indonesia? Nice!!!

[@gargolis5621]

we all the same.. Even Malay has a lot of similarities. Well we are divided by the colonisation

[@syahmi518]

ayy ..we were once united before the western tear us apart and destroy any single evidence bout us.. .so hello brother ..

[@sangpenghujam5137]

well you guys are austronesian too.. before king philip came, maybe the language were more similiar..

[@bashyirshariff6356]

dude we come from the same root...

[@Mattepuk]

I would love to know which is different in your language? This is one to ten in Malay.. Satu, dua, tiga, empat, lima, enam, tujuh, lapan, sembilan, sepuluh.

[@sazcxieo]

I know this feeling. Your friend borrows from you and say he's/she's gonna pay it back next week. You easily lend but when the time has come, theres no sense of responsibility to pay back. On the 8th day you call to collect your money back but he say excuses or delay. Month has passed and hes ghosting you. Then you even go to his house and they play the victim, gives reasons bla bla bla and yourself looks like the bad guy. If you borrow money have some responsibility to pay back. Theres also people who just borrow but no plans in order to pay.

[@mjs22002]

Dont lend give whatever ure willing to forget

[@bwrkan1796]

120% people borrow to someone else without even planning to pay it back. It's just a lip-service to get the money.

[@izzuddinrasid3458]

yeah, I really hate those kinds of people ! No sense of responsibility at all !

[@bwrkan1796]

@@izzuddinrasid3458 It breaks any good relationship from friends, neighboring, relatives, brothers and sisters up to kind and parents and so on and so fort.

[@rickyleonardi7605]

well, a fist might be a good solution then

[@james7286]

"You'll die faster if you have no fear", damn boi you speakin STRAIGHT FACTS

[@strasseristsgaming3995]

hes not wrong. if you have no fear you wouldnt fear jumping off a mountain

[@XnonXte]

@@strasseristsgaming3995 XD

[@urbnctrl]

Its the same thing with people who dont flinch when you spook them. Some think its tough - but in reality - that kind of behavior will get your face kicked in when someone doesnt pull their punch

[@Euphytoseful]

"You will die faster if you have no fear." Wise words. And such a beautiful country.

[@ethanevans2689]

*waves machete and gun around. Calls them “tools” for when people don’t submit to their interrogation* two seconds later, Vice journalists: “ they aren’t violent thugs, they’re a family” 😂

[@livnedX7]

It's sarcasm mate, most of debt collectors aren't going to use violence as a mean of intimidation. They simply brandish and let their reputation do the work 95% of the time. I've known several debt collectors personally from my time in the Banking industry and they more often than not are just peaceful people trying to do a job which somehow are stereotyped that they were great at. Violence is the last thing these men wants since not only they were risking their life but also they might risking their family lives. Then you might say "But their will get more jobs afterwards because street cred blablabla" yes they might do earn more cred in the industry but then you won't necesserarily get more "job". You might even get the tougher job of debt collecting some really powerful/influencial men or women which has their own way of dealing debts. That own way is counter-intimidation or even lynching of personal family members. So basically they dug deeper & deeper into the rabbit hole, and they might never be able to live their lives comfortably

[@anders8461]

They're not thug, they are a private company and banks employ them to collect debts

[@herdityawahyu1250]

These thugs are "professional" just because they're on salary from their masters, but still they are thugs because they act like thugs and solve problems like thugs. That's what their job description is: to be thugs. These are the ugly guard dogs of the "clean business-like" corporate world. And they'll bite anyone: men, women, children, honest people crooked people, old poor people, you, me whatever their masters want them to. Hey, it's just "business".

[@JohnSmith-oo4qx]

The Pretentious V.D. A machete and gun by definition are tools.

[@ethanevans2689]

John Smith hey John. I couldn’t help but be taken back by your utter stupidity. I just HAD to reply. In the context of the comment, you can clearly see I put tools in quotation marks to highlight the fact that they use machetes and guns not for their primary use, but instead for threatening people. They use them as “tools” for threatening. Hopefully that makes it clearer for you. Thanks. I have a great book to recommend. Great read. It’s call *Dictionary*. You’d find it fascinating.

[@melitarahmalia7658]

The interviewer's facial expression is the best! Just a perfect mix of curiosity and terror.

[@ha-bv8is]

Yeah no.

[@navalande173]

@@ha-bv8is yeah yes

[@kaicooper1515]

I thought she was high all the time

[@muhammadfaisalfachrurrozy1203]

She's high

[@haritsdarwienm5886]

She's cute

[@TheBECK321]

her friends have a debt to her 500 million, her friend give her a house certificate as collateral, but when her friend cant pay the debt, she can't sell the house without her friend agreement (the owner name in those certificates) , the Lady in this video have an idea to get loan from bank and use her friend house sertificate as collateral to the bank, lets say the bank give 3.5 billion as a loan, The Lady get her money back 500 million, and give 3 billion back to her friend. But the problem is that the bank expecting debtors to pay back the loan include with the interest rate, the bank dont like to confiscate and auctioned the house because auction price usually dropped & cheaper, if the bank can't collect the interest the bank will lose profit, that's why the bank still hire debt collectors, the collateral only be used on the last option for example if the debtors died

[@brozors]

Thanks for this answer. I was wondering why the bank just doesn't confiscate the house and auction it.

[@Okuni_]

@Selva G billions in Indonesian Rupiahs usually amounts to hundreds of thousands of American Dollars

[@4kcarat]

@Selva G do you even know what an indonesian rupiah is dum dum

[@andikawardhana9616]

@Selva G 1 billion rupiah

[@LiongkyTan]

Well, not a great strategy to begin with.. Even if the bank decided not to send the debt collectors your way and just go straight to confiscate your asset.. by doing so, it will automatically put your name on the credit checking black list.. As the consequences, you will never be approved for any loans in the future.. And this is especially bad if you're a businessman.. because one way or another you WILL need help from the banks in one way or another.

[@Alex2011410136]

Lucky I don't have any loan... My dad, my grandma and basically everyone in my family always teach me to never ever to have a credit card or apply for loan. They always teach me to save up money and never take what you don't own or earn...

[@masolank99]

mantap

[@Kanal7Indonesia]

wise

[@abrahamdsl]

you can have credit cards and just be a 'transactor' : that is, pa the total statement balance (in full) on or before the due date. You won't ahve problems with it. The opposite is the 'revolver' : does not pay in full , perhaps only the minimum amount due. This is where companies make money the most, as the unpaid amount is slapped with high interest.

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

Wise choice

[@iamstela4012]

Same

[@rizky1421]

Moluccans working in Jakarta, collecting debt "probably" from chinese, eating in Padang Restaurant. O, Wonderful Indonesia.

[@jeremypay276]

Pretty sure they weren’t Chinese their skin was darker.

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

@@jeremypay276 i think he meant that they "collect" debt from chinese

[@MsHantubelau]

👍

[@arifudin9151]

@@jeremypay276 learn English more bro

[@1.8millionvolts87]

Nah tbh, I don't think it was Chinese

[@kothar6159]

GTA San Indonesia.

[@aftercarecarez]

That would be fucking awesome! Could go to Thailand too

[@monicapetitebonita218]

@@user-uz7cn1dq8p ambon city 😂😂😂😂

[@emomales5782]

Poso Dlc in the future when

[@nobodyreallyknowsreally7771]

Sandonesia

[@giderae]

Bahahahahahah

[@Big_smoked]

0:46 “so I’m here in a typical wedding in jakarta” No, most weddings aint that good in jakarta

[@MrDuck-po3wy]

True.

[@isanarditama]

Shut up train

[@copporn1615]

Ay yo smoke! I thought you're a citizen of santos

[@azmirtookoo]

Hahahaha..So true true true..

[@cruelorviscious9392]

But... _it is_ a typical and standard wedding for Jakarta resident.

[@peoeoe]

"wE'rE nOt TryINg To stEAL thE moNeY" → took a loan, refuses to pay it back ...

[@judasthepious1499]

this might sound racist, but many of chinese-indonesian take loans from the bank and act like that.. when you asked them in private casual conversation, they said that the bank had already insured the money, and they (the bank) will have nothing to lose, so there's no need for them to repay anything.. so basically they don't feel guilty for taking loans and not repaying it..

[@spotsthecat7913]

@@judasthepious1499 i can assure that, being a chinese indonesians that have ambonese friends, some of my friends told me that, chinese indonesians are not saints. Yes, most of us are treated unfairly just because we are of chinese descent, but some of us love to play victims and very racist towards outsiders, sometimes even to fellow chinese-indonesian that have mixed heritage or befriend people from other races

[@sopianwahyudi]

@@judasthepious1499 ive heard similar stories from my chinese coworkers

[@alvin3758]

@@judasthepious1499 tf?

[@prebens7955]

@@spotsthecat7913My dad works for a Chinese company. And yet, my father gets false accusation whenever he's going to get salary raise, or a new position, and it already happens twice on the past two companies he's in. But thank god, the current company that my father currently in, apparently runned also by a Chinese, had a very caring boss. He's even attending my grandma's funeral😀

[@awfan221]

These Maluku people look a bit like Maori (indigenous Polynesian people) of New Zealand, I'm guessing they have similar origins.

[@winter8518]

Daidi Fantaye they were actually have same root, western indonesian are melayu race and estern indonesian are like aborigin and polynesian race

[@andikardian9014]

Daidi Fantaye, yeah, Austronesian. same with papuan.

[@antonynguvarni8967]

Yeah.. we consider as a part of polynesian..

[@arthurimona5901]

@Mac mcskullface depends on where you want to look at it in Papua New Guinea. Because Papua New Guinea has a mix of Melanesia, Polynesia and Micronesia. And Maluku people here in Indonesia would mostly count as mixed Polynesian and Melanesian.

[@gpl992]

@@arthurimona5901 All you guys are right about us Moluccan people.But also,many Micronesians look very much like Maluku or Timor too.Just google Palau or Kiribati.In fact,I saw some Kiribati person saying on an Austronesian video that they descended from Alifuru from Seram and or Buru island.

[@bb2na473]

"Speak softly and carry a big stick." - Theodore Roosevelt

[@mo7286]

11:00 for people that don't understand what they are saying, the debt collector is actually speaking to the lady in a very respectful manner. Maybe it's because of the camera but I definitely wouldn't expect a debt collector to be that nice.

[@fidesimatupang]

Yeah, i thought it would be near-death scary. But it's all a guy givinh out rational arguments.

[@tulusrio4478]

nope, We always speak manner for ppl who respect us. they only doing their job as a profesional for feed their family.

[@slammermchammer]

As it turns out people are less quick to commit crimes or torture when a camera is present I figured this was obvious

[@robbieaulia6462]

@@slammermchammer maybe, just maybe, they bothered letting themselves be recorded because they're not actually as bad as their reputation would give them out to be. I mean seriously, they can just refuse to be recorded and those journalist won't be able to do a thing.

[@igitt426]

They may be violent murderers but heeeyy... they're all a big family and they look after each other and they support the nation. Let's just forget that little detail with the murders.

[@crunch9876]

pi.mp3 are they murders?

[@igitt426]

crunch9876 yeah one even admits it

[@Radicus]

But then again, we don't know details of what and how it happened.

[@thisislaflaretv5250]

pi.mp3 kinda like how governments do

[@luchadorito]

pi.mp3 first interview: Yea we arent scary we are only human afterall Second interview; literally a minute later: so If someone doesn’t pay we gather hundreds of people with machetes and take everything that isnt bolted down

[@livnedX7]

What most people miss and didn't understand that the Banks whom "employed" this collectors are almost always responsible. The end of this videos explains it all. I wish you guys could get the banks side of the story more in-depth. I used to work in one of the largest state bank in Indonesia and we are wholly aware that debt collectors are one of the most useful "off the book assets". We will never officially have ties with them (the collectors) and we will not acknowledge the collectors at any circumstamces if something goes wrong. So they are basically the black ops (no pun intended) of the financial industry. Which is needed in some situations. Albeit not all of the debt collectors are honorable man like Jemmy there (murder etc) and also some collectors act like a loan shark even if the loaner already paid the debt, asking for more money than it is actually agreed upon. This is the side that VICE misses on both the UK and Indonesian debt collector reports. I doubt they will ever get the chance to report on that side since it is a rather secretive and off-limits to any kind of journalistic coverage. But all and all an excellent reporting VICE, also i think i was present during your time filming in Bintaro!

[@livnedX7]

Sir lolallot people with malicious intent and agenda are. Banks are just one of their creations.

[@livnedX7]

Sir lolallot they do give a fuck if we mess with their money tho

[@Al-hm7oc]

Yep, people who cross the line exists in every society or any organizations after all.

[@sonofyoutube6248]

@Akmal the problems with indonesia banks is.. their interest rate is very high if we compare it with country like China.. how the hell Business people can compete with other business man from other country?

[@rafaeterna1081]

Sir lolallot lol, say that to those jews

[@msal9602]

These guys should've get hired to deal with our country's corruptors.

[@ANANG408]

Nah.. poor morals... orang jahat selalu berteman dengan yang jahat... persahabatan dan kekeluargaan hanya imajinasi mereka...

[@GoalieStrings]

ARE WE JUST GUNNA IGNORE THE DUDES WHO FOUND SOMEONE BLINDFOLDED

[@babywueso]

they're fat capping bruh, did you see his bs side kick iver the bike lmao

[@GanjaFreedom420]

Bruh just posted the same thing wtfff

[@gakpaa8090]

Thats black magic😂

[@Nheye]

@@gakpaa8090 LMAOOO

[@azendantforces1897]

I don’t believe it there’s some trick

[@TravelerIkki]

Why am I reading the subtitles, I'm Indonesian

[@mham42]

Me too lmfao

[@halamadruuid2380]

Same, I understand the Indonesian language, but I understand english more. Probably because the Indonesian language is kind-off a mess.

[@maybeghost1216]

*SAME*

[@nisryhn]

Bruhhh I just realize I've been reading the english subtitles too till I read your comment, wkwkwk ngakak T.T

[@TheMakerHimselfs]

​@@halamadruuid2380 same goes to english lol

[@Java-nese]

Kalo berani berhutang,ya emang harus berani membayar...selama tidak menggunakan kekerasan debt collector menurutku gak salah...kalo ada orang hutang,tp tidak dikembalikan,siapa korban asli? Ya si pemberi hutang...selama bunga yg diberikan sesuai dengan perjanjian...yg hutang jg gak berhak marah

[@theodoreeleazar8192]

6:42 John Kei is one of the most famous Thug in Indonesia.. i have mingle with The east of Indonesia people since i was a kid. till now I have a lot of friends who become a dept-collector, a guard in a club, . I have joined one of the organisation which is doing the same thing. I dont like the idea of people get scared with their look. actually a lot of them are so nice and become a preacher. but man all races has bad and good u just cant judge . and for your information too, the debt-collector in Indonesia not only from their race. its depend on the land, and what we called "son of the land" usually will be the one that can control the area.

[@gadaotakcebong8904]

Theodore Eleazar where your from

[@raering2130]

do you have contacts?

[@ayoodapizzahere]

The more suitable word for "club-guard" is bouncer

[@hasanbawazir6465]

Jon key mah gangster papan bawah bos, dia cuma kecoak kecoak yang kalau ada keributan pasti dia ditangkep wkwk

[@copporn1615]

@@hasanbawazir6465 fearless man, sadly that's only on internet

[@senidalamsunyi8300]

Indonesia's version of "Can't pay? We'll take it away".

[@gabson1336]

As someone who grew up in the eastern part of Indonesia, at first i was so scared when talking or interacting with Molluccans or Papuanese people in general. But after years and years living along side with them, they are actually very nice. They make the meaning of word "Family" and "Brotherhood" as the base of their lives. I was so touched and i respect them a lot and growing up in Papua, i can totally feel it. Even there's one guy, A Kei man (Kei is one of the Tribes in the Papua region that is famous as being so ruthless or just all around aggresive), he became a close friend to our family.. his family was known to be aggresive.. but we actually being treated as ordinary human beings with respect and love. We encounter many people that is being "Feared" by others.. but actually they are very nice.. its just respect them and they'll respect you to.

[@revansyah3478]

Which city do you live in, in Papua?

[@gabson1336]

@@revansyah3478 Timika

[@revansyah3478]

@@gabson1336 I used to live in Timika too, the kei's were infamous eh

[@gabson1336]

@@revansyah3478 VEEEERRRRYYYY almost every month.. there's always one news regarding them

[@revansyah3478]

@@gabson1336 haha ikr

[@nathanmartinez7417]

"WE CUT PEOPLES NAUGHTY HANDS OFF.....HeHe" -debt collector "Despite being seen as street thugs, they're actually one big family." - Vice interviewer

[@barasantoso1846]

It is indonesian jokes bruh. Some of indonesian use violence language as a part of jokes. So dont take it litteraly.

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

In Indonesian tone he says it sarcastically

[@arthoormoorgen9492]

That's actually a soft dark joke. Sometime we said "gue matiin lu/i'll kill you" or "mampus, lu/die, you" as a joke and no one took it seriously. It's based on our tones and the euphoria.

[@thisislaflaretv5250]

They are like debt collector motivational speakers

[@paranoya733]

As they said, since 1998 law is more powerful there.. so they need to adapt & upgrade, if not, they'll loose their job

[@ETS186]

A family member owed money to a bank, bad economic situation at the time. The bank sent some of these guys (mollucan debt collectors) to collect. The family member is a generous person who will help people in need around him and he employs a senior figure in the local mollucan community. Mollucans are very respectful people towards their elders, so when they came to collect the senior figure told them "go away, people in this area would kill for my boss". They just left scared and never came back (normally they'd come back in a bigger group). The family member paid his debt back. This senior figure is an interesting fella, I'd ask him about his past life when he was a bodyguard for a prominent Indonesian conglomerate family. How he would go to "business meetings" with a gun or how one of Indonesia's most notorious gangster even calls him his brother...good stuff.

[@zihilala1121]

Interesting story, really

[@gpl992]

Respect for elders in Maluku culture 🙏🏽

[@nadiahassan6374]

The guy in the intro was amazing he shut her down real quick

[@buffaloblack3993]

From the sunny continent of the chocolate people, Africa. I love the indonesian language.

[@gpl992]

From the sunny Islands of Chocolate people,Maluku

[@sokratesnudelsuppe5937]

i dont know why but everyone in this video seems sympathic to me. I get strangely a good vibe while watching this video.

[@gpl992]

I'm half Moluccan and recently went to Ambon.My Moluccan family who had never met me before treated me still like a King and like they had known me forever.Lovely and family oriented,friendly folks.

[@Yuemitai]

i feel that too man, i don't know why. i hope i can meet one of them and can be friends with them. they're so friendly based on what i see in this video

[@rashalstudio3101]

As an indonesian this level of editing and quality are so good i prefer watching from an english channel than local indonesian news

[@kemalasaridina1898]

There was a huge case ten years ago of the death of a debtor who went to an Indonesian bank for debt consultation. He was in a room with debt collectors and there were traces of assault using a blunt weapon. Sure, the final blow was the debtor's high blood pressure, but the debt collectors can't be said to be totally blameless. I hope that they're truly better regulated now, even though I'm a bit skeptical

[@sharpkniveinlatvian1746]

0:46 "So here's a typical Indonesian wedding" 50% of Indonesians: stop the 🧢

[@pineapplelord2422]

70+

[@nytrify]

typikal kok

[@Siblubru]

fr, I've never been to those 'typical' wedding 🤡

[@breaktherules1554]

@@Siblubru then get a fucking wider connection, all the other 5 religions besides yours have their wedding ceremony that way

[@Siblubru]

@@breaktherules1554 well okay you're right, but geez calm down

[@Adrummerfly]

at least Ambon, Maluku is known as the City of Music of Indonesia, which is a good thing

[@AhmadAffandi-sx7tz]

Yah,go international

[@offchance789]

You already know from the title this will be fire

[@shinsekai101]

Indonesian here. Ambonese is actually very kind despite the tough or scary look. And as the guy said, they work here mostly because they have those looks. Regarding the discrimination, its more of their tough scary look. Appearance, unfortunately, will always be a factor

[@damacol]

"We don't want to pay, because we don't feel like we used the money." WTF

[@MichaelJayValueInvesting]

Good thing I don't have any debts!

[@Litany_of_Fury]

Actually if your country has a national debt you are worth part of it.

[@PrinceRightyI]

At least there's no Ambonese debt collectors in your country that will give you an MMA punch if you don't pay your loans. 😂

[@LordofBroccoli]

Correction: good thing no one remembers my debts!

[@NotDabster]

Michael Jay - Value Investing what about that one friend that bought you that sandwich!!! You never payed him back!

[@KimNguyen-lj4uk]

Don't get your identity stolen..

[@adidia2163]

4:00 for you non Indonesian that's not the brand of liquor it's just a recyle plastic bottle

[@sheogorathz]

adi dia I had drunk it and I got high

[@TheOverlordEND]

@@sheogorathz Got high from drink water bottle, either its a joke or your tolerance is below minus.

[@justinredford]

@@TheOverlordEND they put the alcohol inside the water bottle dummy

[@TheOverlordEND]

@@justinredford Thats the joke

[@justinredford]

@@TheOverlordEND im sorry maybe i dont understand but indonesian people put alcohol inside water bottles even plastic bag hence "oplosan". so this joke ur referring, is it me who doesn't understand your joke or maybe u think that putting alcohol inside water bottles is a joke??

[@oktofio9690]

Orang Maluku itu karakter dan cara bicaranya memang keras, tapi hatinya lembut. Tidak ada etnis yang jahat, yang ada hanyalah manusia yang jahat. Setiap etnis memiliki manusia2 jahatnya dan manusia2 baiknya...

[@urbnctrl]

Amen

[@strix501]

Justru tiap ras punya spesialisasi nya sendiri, jadi kalau di rasisin sama suatu orang ga perlu digubris karena mereka udah pasti orang bodoh.

[@wintermute3d]

Actually pretty solid journalism, illuminating the problem from all angles, letting all sides speak...

[@yudhawardana7568]

orang timur yang paling ramah menurut saya adalah orang papua . pengalaman pernah tinggal di papua sangat baik sama saya sebagai pendatang dan nggak pernah ganggu orang

[@deuspatriamgloriam104]

Tapi di injak injak oleh pendatang

[@alfathsyaban8358]

Lu baru injek tanah papua aja udah berani komentar kayak gitu. Tinggal di semua tempat di timur dulu baru ambil kesimpulan.

[@asrulba7974]

Blm bisa ambil ksimpulan klo lu bru tinggal di papua, klo udh smua daerah timur pernah lo tinggal bisa sja anda mngambil ksimpulan

[@conejo4857]

@@deuspatriamgloriam104 Kam yg ada potong pendatang baru...

[@junedvankke7102]

Orang papua ramah kecuali separatis KKB dan relijius garis keras

[@gentlemenbaiter5288]

He protec He attac But most importantly He get bank money bac

[@_9maggot]

That profile picture tho

[@zeluca1920]

Damn yo😂

[@Numberonesambatukamfan]

b

[@magnaviousyk3118]

People from east of Indonesia (Ambon, East Nusa Tenggara, Papua, etc) were one of the kind hearted people I've ever known..

[@raygraf7368]

I'm from Maluku and proud of it...I grew up in Switzerland but will never forget where I came from. Proud island girl in Switzerland 💁🏾‍♀️💁🏾‍♀️💁🏾‍♀️♥️

[@gpl992]

Greetings from a Moluccan Island boy from America 🌴🤝🏾

[@православныйвоин-э6б]

Switzerland how? you know Holland has a big Moluccan comunity? They even have their own neighborhoods and Churches there, 30 July Location (Nelson Mandela Park Amsterdam) we have in Amsterdam kwaku festival: Maluku Day You should visit

[@православныйвоин-э6б]

@@gpl992 you should visit Netherlands 30 July Amsterdam Kwaku Festival (Maluku Day) You should visit you will like it maybe you can find some family of you there.

[@raygraf7368]

@@православныйвоин-э6б it's my biggest wish to visit Holland some day. I heard so much about the Moluccan community over there!!! I need to come over at some point. My boyfriend is from Moldova and what's to know more about my culture. Would be good for him too.

[@gpl992]

@@raygraf7368 Lol that's ironic because my father was actually Romanian Jewish and went to Moldova.They thought he was a local lool,but yeah I'm actually half Moluccan.

[@azn412]

The reality of debt collection in any country is that part of it is based off intimidation and power. I used to do repos in the USA and trust me we were always 2-3 deep to show force and to show people not to try anything stupid. Also 75% of repo teams in the USA are legally armed. Trust me no one wants to give up their vehicles willingly esp if they’ve paid tens of thousands of dollars of it for years. Even 2-3 deep armed and all of us 6’2” or better 250lbs or better people came out w shotguns pistols and got into plenty of physical incidents. Best thing is to not get into debt and not to give the collectors a hard time, they are there to do a job just like everyone else so they don’t fall into debt lmfao

[@k.man_9537]

DAMC3808 Wise words! Avoid debts as much as possible, especially from loan sharks!

[@bahrularifin6284]

Bro that's true, I'm from Indonesia btw but I also confirm that

[@jimmycash3675]

Wow good luck if a phone company sells your debt for 30 bucks and they tell you you owe 2000

[@imyourmoonlight_]

I'm 100% Indonesian but I keep my eyes into subtitles

[@pineapplelord2422]

udh kebiasaan wkkwkw

[@dentro_can1923]

If they come in your house, you are the guest.

[@marulovesyall4023]

HAHAHAHA

[@3005lives4you]

They really went off the deep end with those last few minutes.

[@alleks5253]

The "execution room" looks really like one of those hostage video rooms.

[@iqbalfebri4082]

In Indonesia is really had a lot of debt collector , especially on side of the city or a "slum" can i say , i live between them , i don't really seen and never get a debt , but its a common thing on a "not city" place specially on a poor family , and yess Maluku is the most debt collector and famous because of it , well... i live on java island , even thought theres a lot of debt collector its really hard i think to be a debt collector , both moral and your job is tested everytime oh and we had a lot of movie and tv show about debt and corruption , its really a common sense in here

[@Markuden]

Here in the netherlands the molukkers or ambonezen (as we call them) are also here in "tough" jobs like deb collector, bouncer etc. Also infamous for have bike gangs.

[@PissMenn]

Mark yes it's SatuDarah

[@midnightaustin9287]

In Indonesia is really had a lot of debt collector, RIP enlgish lol

[@frogstock2597]

But things have changed in Indonesia... I lived here a decade ago and then you could not get credit for a bike, car or house.. Now i live here and you can get all that stuff on credit... Debt collectors in ID will be busy for years

[@20FreeWill]

Midnight Austin it's a common thing on a not city

[@mohamadsyafrimunir3685]

When you take a loan, you should know how to pay. That is the thing that even 10 year old kids know...

[@fukutaichou1903]

You'll make it big here in the Philippines. I'd gladly hire 2 or 3 for a single person just to make sure they pay their debt. We all know that one person who plays the victim and paints you as a bad guy.

[@paranoya733]

Debt collecting ecosystem in indonesia were developed as part of our economic-defense strategy too.. these community gangs or masses organization were once people who control area, but then our defense institutions directed them to become partner of finance institutions or banks, we believed that healthy finance means healthy economy and stronger country

[@kimyong7031]

Dun you know the philippines native , taiwan native and indo native has some words spoken in common. Example a taiwan native word 'makan' eat is same as malay or indo. So are some philippine native words and filippinos are from malay stock ancestory.

[@crazybulldog1874]

We are one big family before the western separate us lol, even thai script are very similar to javanese script

[@nobodyskryptonite8504]

we are one Nusantara before thats why we have a lot of similarity

[@amirysyafy4801]

@@crazybulldog1874 Due to Indian influence

[@haritsdarwienm5886]

That's because Maritime Southeast Asia (Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Philippines, East Timor) are of Austronesian speaking family. Same as Native Taiwanese, Madagascans, and most people in the islands of Polynesia and Micronesia region in the Pacific.

[@XnonXte]

It's called polynesian my friend.

[@hfxz]

Ambonese and Mollucans are some of the most kind and generous people if you befriend them and close to them.

[@stevanusaditya7402]

most other easteners i know (like Papuan, Florenese, Ambonese and Mollucans) are really kind and wholesome. but other ethnicity often misjudge them 'cause their appearance is tough and "scary" to other.

[@vbessert1026]

I'm half ambonese here. These guys look just like my uncles and cousins that I see in my family gathering. I guess now I know why nobody mess with us. Lol 😂

[@tumpalsagala6258]

But you look like chinese

[@vbessert1026]

@@tumpalsagala6258 my mom is a Chinese descent.

[@vbessert1026]

@Jenette T hehe 😄

[@vbessert1026]

@Penggemar MiawAug high five!

[@myfr7789]

saya pun setengah ambon, setiap kali saya di acara² pertemuan atau nikahan saudara ayah, selalu dipaksa makan meskipun su kenyang. #salamsatudarah

[@IceRockPolar]

“It’s like a big family.....just don’t borrow any money”

[@antonjaworski7731]

Subtitles on top of subtitles. Nice work vice editing

[@dannyzero692]

They should really recruit two person for a collection job, one to collect the debt and another to make the person regrets not paying on time.

[@valmarsiglia]

"People assume we use violence, but there's no evidence of that." LOL! In other words "We don't hurt anyone, as far as you know."

[@AbdalMalik-ye1df]

little bit later, they say they use machetes as tools during negotiation.... move along

[@Zior888]

At least the debt collectors talked sense to the debtors so that they know that delaying in paying your debts will cause a bad reputation to the debtors business

[@bassoskat]

These guys are doing a tough job, and fighting corruption while doing it. It’s actually really good and helps to change the culture in Indo that you can’t just bribe your way out of problems and destroy the country from the inside like what happened in the 90’s.

[@urbnctrl]

A famous Moluccan saying is: A PROMISE MAKES DEBT.

[@eleven8948]

I want to know if that woman showed up to the bank............

[@IBU113T5]

Kathleen is wavy

[@jackCrypt666]

Alex ....she loooks high

[@missmillies7237]

Reject whats her full name?

[@ariefraiser140]

jackCrypt666 she certainly looked spaced out after sipping that liquor at the beginning

[@jasongriffin2543]

jackCrypt666 exactly what I was thinking, seems so out of place lol

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

Shes drunk. Why would she drink doing her job?

[@edbertkhovey]

These guys are nice and friendly, IF you don't have a problem with them. I have a private teacher his family is debt collector and they're all nice people unless you owe something from them

[@adminstalker9590]

True. If someone borrow my money and don't want to paiy for it, I would be DC too.

[@urbnctrl]

In Maluku there is an age old saying. It translates to "To Make a Promise is to take on a Debt"

[@zoecarlibur]

Thank You so much Vice, This was very enlightening, And the Vice presenter was very professional not to mention pretty. It's too bad we can't hire these guys to get the 1MDB fund from Goldman Sachs. We need a corporate version of this sort of business.

[@dondoko406]

"We have a lighter shaped like a gun" "Hue hue hue hue hue" 😂😂😂

[@naim2729]

Wkwkwkkwkwk

[@streamspoart2671]

Maluku, don't judge the book from it's cover, listen to them singing and you won't regret, i'm batak and i'm respecting them for their voices

[@RadenYohanesGunawan]

We Christians tend to understand each other. 🥰

[@haritsdarwienm5886]

@@RadenYohanesGunawan that have nothing to do with being Christian lol 😂 even almost half of Ambon population are Muslims. In North Maluku the majority are Muslims.. Again, good singers have nothing to do with religion.

[@mammon_is_god]

Ah, that old trick, "I'm the wealthy man AND i'm the victim"

[@BasicMaffs]

3.4b Rupiah = $234,600 USD

[@youngniggaz1049]

Axien 07 billion rupiah?

[@mamarobyn]

Ty I was wondering ...

[@jayarantiano]

Yes 1 dollar = 14.000 rupiah

[@aidslobsterlol]

@@youngniggaz1049 miliar ke rupiah

[@adintyaannasaidhiakharisma5202]

@@jayarantiano sekarang ? wkwkwkwk parah

[@nir5389]

It's pretty interesting when he said there's gonna be a lot more jobs when he got out of prison, instead of the opposite

[@thaariqulakwa8834]

Well, thats how the underworld goes... They are looking for people that dont want to go home...

[@disantangeb565]

my lecturer calls it "sekolah kejahatan (crime school)". a term used for prison (i work in one now) because when you have hundreds or thousands of criminal with different crimes and degree of it, it will turn into a giant melting pot. a simple pickpocket could turn into a robber or a burglar the next time they got out of prison. theyll met some bigger fishes. then theyll either learn from them, or join them.

[@TheSympathize]

“This is actually just a big family” Yes... that’s exactly what gangs market themselves as. One big ole family. These debt collectors are an organized criminal syndicate whose legitimacy is only derived from the lack of political oversight regarding the issue of debt collection in Indonesia. Make no mistake, just because the Yakuza have legitimate business fronts, like investment holdings in hotels along the west coast of the US, does not mean the Yakuza is not a criminal organization of thugs. The same goes for these debt collectors. One day, they might collect for the bank, but another day they could be easily working with local loan sharks or even Chinese triads. All gangs start because people who feel disenfranchised and or marginalized from the rest of society form their own little groups. These debt collectors are no different.

[@FacitOmniaVoluntas.]

SS Indonesia and Thailand are not the same country buddy

[@Meonium]

Mafia Family

[@urbnctrl]

Well they don't feel marginalized. They are.. Since ww2 the Maluku Islands (that actually proclamated an independant country) were annexated by Republic of Indonesia because of the rich resources (gold and spices) the Islands hold that are not found on the indonesian land. Indonesian government is slowly transmigrating indonesians there to thin out the native melanesian population while systematically blocking these people from joining higher educations and better jobs. They are basically forced into this stereotype where they are only hired as club bouncers or other jobs such as this. Its really a shame since the Moluccans also are known for their extreme Musicality and Rythm in dance.

[@bpcgos]

@@urbnctrl I just didnt understand with this kind of thinking, it is totally absurd. Indonesian Government provide many basics needs like schools in every remote area in indonesia, if you wanted to be succeed it is up to you to use that facility or not. Which area in indonesia that you think more spoiled than the other area? I spent my childhood in eastern part of Java, I have to go to school every day (usually walking) for almost 3 KM, Electricity and phone enters my village in mid 90's, it usually up to the people and society/culture not the government to made themselves aware .

[@artupage]

Hey i have a tip, dont loan money to the bank and you will not have problem to debt collectors

[@justinreyez5561]

in the thumbnail the guys heads look photo shopped on those bodies

[@hashirekitsu415]

Like the bailiffs in UK, they're just doing their bloody job.

[@Emerald_Forge]

A start to an interesting series.

[@mcciv6564]

VICE has a story on debt collectors in the UK also, worth checking out.

[@YoutubeUser..]

mcciv indeed

[@estrada4561]

Saw it. Pretty good clip..

[@fadhilahaditya446]

Saw it, the scariest one aight?

[@raoul3746]

mcciv ya, he's terrifying tho, i already watch it

[@rickylow1655]

The interview with the debt collector Jeni , and Jeni listing his “work experience” is definitely the most bad ass CV ever.

[@FullBoarDaniel]

This was excellent! I love learning about Indonesia

[@v4nnyz]

"a bit resistant" "hundreds of people." Sounds about right

[@novalalwan8036]

Yeet

[@Beatslager]

that kiss of the wedding couple was the weirdest i've ever seen..........

[@gpl992]

My people 😍✊🏽🌴.These guys have Empathy,as a Moluccan myself Respect and Hospitality is everywhere in our cultures.The vast majority of us and even many of these guys are family oriented and kind honest people.I know some relatives of these men because we are a small close knit Island community.

[@greggarcia6294]

If they had empathy y'all would mind your own business. It's not even their money, it's the bank's

[@gpl992]

@@greggarcia6294 Nah 😂🏝️🤙You don't even know the half of it!

[@greggarcia6294]

@@gpl992 yes, i do, i'm quite familiar with the banking industry

[@ANANG408]

Malu lah mengancam dan membunuh

[@AlvinCornelius]

U don't mess with these guys. I have a nerd ambonese friend and even he has an intimidating scary look.

[@gpl992]

Yup!Where are you from btw?Where did you encounter Moluccans?

[@Celinestu333]

Lmaoooo whattt Nice to know there are unique fellow earthlings

[@notoriousarry7052]

I don't care about how they look, back when I was high school I always want to fight my douchebag ugly ambonese classmate

[@yen-8680]

😅😂

[@discountpotato5680]

He has the terrifying presence perk

"If you can pay, then have a loan. If you can't pay, don't" that is what i have been taught when i was a kid. Because my family were a poor one, and got saving moneys through decades now life better, no debt, no loans, just work and accept, eat what we have don't expect for more

[@Dragonologist]

As soon as that dude leaves you know they roast him on his voice.

[@Adr-z5k]

they were arguing but it felt like they were just chatting ez. hehe. what a beautiful language you have. ✌️🙏🙏 all should be like that.

[@barasantoso1846]

Is that so?

[@mahfudzdc]

nope :)

[@ArsandBio]

As an indonesian, seeing a car with a build like that, means that some thing will go down later that day.

[@tristan6509]

"the heat of indonesian sun" that's jakarta, go to kalimantan or maluku and you'll feel how hot is the real indonesian sun

[@grainherstal1912]

Literal sun > symbolic sun

[@OnyOner]

tell this girl she needs to seriously cut down on the ganja