Poverty and Palm Oil are Driving Deforestation in Indonesia

VICE travels to the forests of Aceh province, a region still struggling with palm oil-related deforestation and a troubling story of burning land. Widespread deforestation has caused massive flooding, exacerbating the problems of poor smallholder farmers. To add to their woes, small scale farmers have typically been the ones blamed for sparking the fires. But while the government has approached the issue as a law enforcement one, arresting farmers accused of burning their land, others are trying to understand the economic reality of this situation and remedy the issue. In this film, we meet the stakeholders of this problem and farmers offering an alternative for a problem that’s of global importance.
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[@brianlaurantius967]

9:20 the worst government statement I've ever heard 🤢🤮

[@baypriawan1726]

Bupatinya bilang warga miskin karena malas, tapi ngomong sambil duduk dikursi empuk maenan hape doang di kantor bupati padahal HAHAHA

[@gogorsky]

Setau sy waktu sy di aceh sy dapat cerita mengenai salah satu alasan dulu Dinminimi melakukam teror di pegunungan aceh setelah aceh dalam kondisi damai adalah ketimpangan yg jauh antara rakyat dn pejabat.

[@user-hi9gl6ud2o]

He has the audacity to call people lazy, even if they dont provide good infrastructure, health care and internet access. I was raised from poverty. Its not because of laziness. Moreover, the education quality in Indonesia it's lame. Meanwhile in java island people had 9 score education, in Sumatra we only got 4 score. Lack of infrastructure, there's no internet. People don't know about tech tings and everything that could improve their knowledge and prosperity. People can't get out of poverty without proper education and right information. And also good infrastructure including internet, road, health care

[@burningroad6462]

Maybe poverty is desired by capitalism so they have to work on the plantations.

[@poppy4674]

My heart aches for these people. Indonesian people are some of the most sincere, kind, and generous people I have ever met. I am furious by the illegal logging, and the traitorousness of that government official calling his impoverished people lazy,

[@marvvelous6773]

Illegal? You think people go burn the rain forest down, cut all the trees and turn the place in a plantation illegally..??? Use common sense. Not DUHHHH!

[@tikrit3160]

Indonesia is disgustingly corrupt. You should check out the Act of Killing, it is about the genocidal military coup of Indonesia which took place in the 1960s with the backing of the western powers. It killed at least 2 million people, and is the origin of Indonesia's corruption.

[@danarthur771]

9:20 at first, he said that his people are progressive. then he claimed that they are lazy. and then, he said that he doesnt even know why they're that lazy. and then he passed the responsibility of governmental work back to the people. if only you guys see how many face palm i did and how many animal names i swear after seeing this

[@Violalulu]

my dad once went to Aceh for work for a month. It was stressful, because Aceh ppls were famous for laziness (they wont go office before 10am), stubborn, close-minded (due to religion believes they hold tight), and local government has zero effort. they event refuse change, and my dad work was in vain.

[@mantabsekali920]

@@Violalulu what was your dad purpose going to aceh ? It's better that u said the context clearly so we know what is really happened.

[@deathstroke8639]

@@Violalulu context? It seems as if you trying to portray something here but fail to provide proper context.

[@shukriramlee]

@@mantabsekali920 It's true, the way you practice your religion is the problem.

[@mantabsekali920]

@@shukriramlee nah the religion is the problem 😂

[@fulkibramantya3047]

Sakit hati sekali mendengar pernyataan pejabat daerah bicara seperti itu, padahal beliau sendiri orang Aceh tamiang...

[@kebondolan]

rara looks so dissatisfied when the chief told her people are lazy 😌😌

[@anisaqoir]

The audacity calling the people are lazy

[@user-yj4qz5lo6k]

They really are

[@rismaericknugraha3569]

lazy goverment

[@ed208]

Says a man that is sitting in an office that probably isn't elected. It's disgusting calling his own people lazy, when Clearly the odds are stacked against them. I am lucky enough to be born in a medium income family, in a medium sized city. But luckily the poor here can live comfortably and has the means to get out of poverty, and it really is about being lazy or not.

[@dimaskrisyanto1768]

9:30 extraordinary leader they got there...

[@romaanawan9662]

LOL

[@Christakxst]

Indonesia population grew from 87 million in 1960 to 270 million in 2020. That's almost 200 million people that need accomodation, room to make business, and farms to feed them.

[@stanfordleonard338]

How about environment

[@aryaadi7433]

Bapak-bapak : "Menurut saya malas" Rara : "kenapa pak?" Bapak-bapak : nah itu yg saya gk tau? Dalam hati, kenapa bapak-bapak itu bisa tau kalo masyarakatnya malas?

[@Violalulu]

kalau pernah main ke aceh, seminggu aja, kita bakal tahu kalau banyak dari orang aceh itu malas kok.

[@dokterponsel9997]

Government Blame peoples for "laziness"! U should ashamed for urself!

[@michelledelfiana9105]

I feel the same. The government is the one to blame. Individuals can only do so much.

[@ed208]

@@michelledelfiana9105 this!!! There's so much the people could do. Especially in a nation that is conveniently (for those in power) centralized. I have heard so many stories from people, where the government takes their lands away, or forcefully get them to sell their lands at low prices... so low that their produce pays more then the actual cost of land. It's disappointing really. If only the government would appreciate using locals as workers and train them to work, but I guess the government is to lazy even for that.

[@user-hi9gl6ud2o]

They only care about their pockets. Not the people.

[@bowlampar]

Without deforestation, there is just not sufficient land to plant palm tree. Then poverty will continue follow by extreme poverty for many Malaysian and Indonesian.😥😥

[@allysaputrie3392]

The poors are lazy they said...

[@WallyTony]

They are otherwise they'd be rich

[@fabrobi]

@@WallyTony you should know that many diligent people are still poor

[@knightshade6232]

Because of that 🐷 corrupt politician that they are poor...

[@FateZeroth]

@@WallyTony such an idiotic statement

[@daphniedulansi4309]

WOW!!! he blatantly blamed the people why there is no progress in their community??? No farmer is lazy they are just being unfairly exploited by corporate giants that is why they become poorer and poorer.

[@user-jc7iy5mr6k]

Thank you for bringing this to the table AGAIN! It provided me lots of resources, data and aspects that I can have a deeper look while writing thesis about it!!!

[@gogorsky]

Sy kagak ngarti kenapa kebanyakan pejabat klo di tanya masalah di daerahnya kebanyakan nyalahin masyarakat nya. Kagak sadar apa klo ekor ngikutin kepala.

[@ikomangwirawan7361]

I don't agree with you. Oil palm plantations are actually the solution to reducing poverty.

[@fredlynlibres2332]

This is not about poor people being lazy but the reality is the rampant corruptions and as we know these big companies where able to do their bad deeds because of the political officials who accepts payment from this companies. No one to blame and should take responsibility are these government corrupt officials.

[@choifatulassima9184]

Bagus, edukatif banget dan jadi tahu sisi lain dari kesejahteraan masyarakat Indonesia dari video ini

[@THALASA]

11:23 that on the left does not look like ruderalis

[@sehmiakhirullah5896]

Sejahtera Indonesia ku

[@banerjeesiddharth05]

Superb documentary👍👍👍👍

[@mrifataffani488]

Sangat memprihatinkan nasib petani kita

[@re_1997]

Suka deh VICE bahas ginian bareng Rara Sekar 👍👍👍

[@rajasingammuthusamy959]

It's not about the 5-hectare cultivation but rather how you utilize the available land for maximizing one's income. Good agricultural planning is equally important to eradicate poverty. Agri-Cultivation, Animal Husbandry, Fishery, cottage industry, etc, thrive side-by-side to excel being a farmer.

[@togian755]

Massive deforestation was never an economic necessity. None of this ever needed to happen. The govt of Indonesia needs to get out of the business of liquidating forests. Forest liquidation and forest conversion are the Indonesian national economic policies that created this ecological horror. The end of Indonesia's forests will happen in our lifetimes if the Indonesian govt doesn't reverse it's policies. We've heard it all before. Reforms are coming. Yet they never do and that's because the Indonesian govt has not changed it's economic development practices, namely liquidating forests and converting them.into expanses of pulp and palm oil plantations

[@marshalniel]

Kakaknya Isyana skrg jadi kontributor Vice nih? Salam buat Ben ya :D

[@tasya3052]

This video got blocked on my country

[@francois-nicolasrobinne2573]

Darn...less than 14min long, but 5 commercial breaks...

[@sma_rafizainyulianto7540]

As Indonesian I am very sad

[@ariefsatria8589]

nice info

[@corvusglaive5769]

Okay, I am not from Indonesia so I don't how their politics work. Was this guy elected by his constituents or was he an appointed government official? He just straight out called his people lazy in front of the cameras. I wonder if that will sit well with his constituents.

[@boredprimate]

Stop pointing finger towards someone else. If only we can see that all the sources of problems lies within ourselves. Instead of pointing finger towards someone else we must take a good look within ourselves first. Consciousness and awareness are the main things that today's people are lacking.

[@Lssar1]

Jawab 'malas', tapi wktu ditanya kenapa, bilang belum tau knapa. Jangan2 sodara malas juga dong buat nyari tau

[@ikhsanrobbani9479]

They aren't lazy. They just don't get the lot of access, well education, and investment to expand their resources. We don't need to work hard. We just need to work smart and innovative.

[@relaxchil5796]

wow that government official need to be sack...what an irresponsible statement with himself not knowing why he make that statement

[@bagassantosa8150]

iya, ini rara sekar banda neira

[@huhuyalvi]

9:03

[@yogiwijaya3798]

Good job 👍

[@JackoAgun]

wow... reporternya idola nih. *Bandaneira

[@MrShagification]

A politician completely out of touch with the people they are supposed to represent and support? I for one am shocked! Who would have seen this coming?

[@musicboxforeverable]

The price of palm oil is on the rise...

[@MochammadIHx]

Mantap Bu dosen

[@iteungwelah]

Astaga. Gue nih ya tiduran, nonton, main hape seharian baru males. Lah ini nebang pohon sampe berhektar2 belah mana malesnya, Pak?

[@BorneoAgent]

Wah, ceritanya sangat tidak seimbang dan tidak lengkap. Deforestation and poverty are definitely big problems in all of Aceh, but it is curious and unfortunate why VICE singles out Aceh Tamiang government, and fails to mention that pemerintah Aceh Tamiang has already take many historic steps to help solve these issues? Misalnya: - Moratorium on new palm development and review of all existing licenses (2018) - Formation of Green Growth Acceleration (Tim Percepatan Pengangunan Hijau) in partnership with local NGOs - Dll. A simple Google will pull up many concrete examples dan statistik resmi (termasuk dari lembaga penelitian dan ilmiah) that show the success of these efforts on slowing deforestation and improving VICE hanya meluangkan waktu 3 detik untuk mengatakan “meskipun deforestasi sudah menurun” tetapi gagal mengakui Aceh Tamiang adalah salah satu Kabupaten di mana penurunan PALING drastis karena kepemimpinan dan kolaborasi antara Pemerintah, LSM, dan sektor swasta. I like VICE news, but imbalanced and incomplete reporting like this can cause more harm than help. Sayang sekali, karena pasti mereka tahu cerita lengkapnya tetapi memutuskan bahwa lebih baik menjadi sensasional

[@mantabsekali920]

Aduh gimana sih, ga ngapain ngomongin itu kalau itu juga ga ngaruh ke kehidupan warga disana. Poin video ini "nih masih pada miskin orang aceh tamiang, selama ini ngapain aja pemerintah lsm swasta ? Janji2 doang halah"

[@BorneoAgent]

@@mantabsekali920 makasih atas jawabannya bang. Inilah mengapa VICE harus membahas solusi. Apa saja langkah yg sudah dilakukan pemerintah, LSM, perusahaan, dll? Sebenarnya ada banyak, tp masalahnya masih besar dan perlu kolaborasi yg berkelanjutan. Untungnya kolaborasi ini sudah dimulai - tapi jelas perlu jauh lebih kuat. Apa lagi yg perlu dilakukan untuk membantu masyarakat lokal? Tidak membantu jurnalis hanya menunjukkan masalah, tanpa membahas solusi dan memeriksa upaya yang sedang berlangsung.

[@mantabsekali920]

@@BorneoAgent kan udah di video ada testimoni sama kepala desa, ya udah itu salah satu solusi yang ditawarkan makanya di masukin ke video, nah sampe sini aja tugas jurnalis itu kalo mau kelanjutannya ya diserahkan sama pemerintah, lsm, dan swasta yang terkait. Kalo jurnalis juga ikut menindak swasta atau turun berpartisipasi langsung dengan lsm ya jadi bias dong liputannya.

[@BorneoAgent]

@@mantabsekali920 Solusi yg ditawarkan oleh kepala desa adalah contoh sempurna bang. Jadi kenapa VICE tidak menyebutkan atau memeriksa upaya yg telah dilakukan oleh pemerintah dan LSM terkait solusi spesifik dari kepala desa? Ada pelajaran atau lessons learned yg bisa diambil dari upaya2 ini - apa yg berhasil, apa yg tidak berhasil, apa yg membutuhkan lebih banyak dukungan dan sumber daya. Sebaliknya mereka tidak menyebutkan upaya apa pun. Saya pikir ini dengan sengaja. Saya setuju dengan bang setiap orang pasti punya bias masing2 - inilah kenapa penting jurnalis mewawancarai lebih banyak pemangku kepentingan. Jika tidak, pemirsa seperti kita hanya dapat gambaran yg tidak lengkap.

[@mantabsekali920]

@@BorneoAgent pemerintah kan udah diwawancara trus mereka bilang salah dari warga di aceh tamiang yang malas. Ya udah mau siapa lagi yang diwawancara ? PTPN nya ? Lsm ? Ini berdua mah cuma nunggu dari pemerintah karena emang cuma pemerintah yang paling bisa bantu warga disana. Kalo saya sebagai pemirsa liat video ini sudah cukup memadai untuk menggambarkan situasi warga disana dan bagaimana pemerintah setempat menangani masalah warganya. Kalopun emang ada kinerja pemerintah lalu kenapa mereka malah menjawab seperti di video harusmya mereka menjawab upaya2 yang telah mereka buat dong.

[@burningroad6462]

Sadly poor people around the world can only afford cheap palm oil and make everything worse, a vicious circle.

[@seta3664]

Remember guys right now the indonesia gov is battling with EU at WTO about this and about the nickel export. Pas banget ya video nya, hhhmmm fishy, isn't it? Semoga bapak2 petani ini keadaannya tambah baik.

[@mantabsekali920]

Apakah vice adalah antek2 asing ? Ya iyalah wkwk

[@churroofitness]

Mother nature showing them she does not play about her forests wipe their whole villages out

[@arbiriyansyah2620]

Sebagai rakyat tamiang kecewa dengan pernyataan pemimpin seperti itu

[@yusrizalyusuf]

Salam dari Aceh ❤️

[@rismaericknugraha3569]

entah apa yang dipikiran pak bupati? sehingga dia berkata demikian

[@denyhams]

tanggung jawab tuh ptpn , nestle, unilever terhdapa deforestasi hutan indonesia , skrg eropa udah stop impor sawit dari indonesia , karena indonesia dirasa gagal dalam pengelolaan kelestarian lingkungan

[@lugradura1662]

Eropa sudah lebih dulu menimbang pohon di tanami bunga matahari dan kedelai om,Eropa ingin Indonesia jadinhutan saja gak boleh maju ,1 ha sawit menghasilkan 1 ton CPO,5 ha lahan menghasilkan 1 ton minyak kedelai jauh ,berp juta hektar di Eropa yg sudah di tebang hutanya om

[@denyhams]

@@lugradura1662 tapi banyak yang melakukan ilegal logging yang dibiarkan oleh pemerintah

[@pacomacaw2456]

So depressing. We must check ingredients in products and not buy them if palm oil is included.

[@debbieescobar6267]

Absolutely!

[@baygon2993]

that's going to change nothing imo

[@titoflow5776]

*Watchdoc (expedisi Indonesia biru) Already Revealed it First!*

[@mutiaramaulidina818]

👍👍👍

[@izharrkutcher7766]

21usd per month is unacceptable

[@ssylbi]

Jika di Malaysia di sini siapa punya ladang sawit trus kaya raya skrg berkat dari datuk nenek mereka dulu.

[@ivanism25]

Governnent statement is sickening.

[@starluck2560]

Miriiis. Yang kaya makin kayaaa yang miskin makin terpojok kena pula bencana

[@rontropics26]

As long as the Amerifats have cheap junk food...

[@vento765]

Aceh MERDEKA!

[@hazmanriess8949]

Bapa Kepala Daerah...jalan yang bagus mulus penting dong. Bukan nya warga malas. BAPA kepala daerah...apa bapa bisa ganti saja hidup semacam mereka

[@harimu5427]

Gak kuat gue nonton ini 😭

[@NT-sm5jk]

More poverty traps More industries

[@ad4lingmail]

Saatnya hentikan konversi lahan jadi sawit. Para petani sawit silakan mengemis minta makan ke Uni Eropa sana. Sehari-hari kita pakai produk Nestle dan Unilever, setiap hari kita beri mereka keuntungan, imbal baliknya lahan nafkah petani kita dipermasalahkan. Masing-masing negara harusnya bertanggung jawab atas hutan di negara masing2. Kembalikan hutan yg asri yg telah punah di benua Eropa.

[@lugradura1662]

Kami petani sawit Ndak ngemis kok ke Eropa,kami bisa makan dan nyekolahin anak dari sawit

[@mutiaramaulidina818]

👍

[@khairihasan1299]

👏👍

[@aitaisakura4281]

Farm= 300ribu low skilled job like cashier= 3juta You decide.

[@kentershackle1329]

Cashier owning land - NIL , Farmer - 5 Hectare. Something is very wrong if he can only Panen 1/month. and getting that amount. Need to look at how he maintain his farm?. Of course Goverment help/responsibility to infrastructure is paramount.

[@joMan1060]

Before you comment ...... take alook at yourself, did you consume palm oil ? Lol.....

[@wahidsetiadi3863]

Pantai cempa tapi bukan pantai

[@ed208]

It's sad and disgusting how "From the people" turn into power hungry politicians after they are elected "By the people" but then are no longer "For the people". I thought according to our ideology, we share an identity as fellow Indonesians so we are able to take care of eachother. But individualism takes place. In my opinion, Further decentralization of the government should take place, but with better oversight. When you say something as leaders, please act on it, and actually see it through and keep maintaining your words... Why not hire rangers from locals... pay them to take care of the forests? I know it's hard to prioritize the people, the economy or the environment, especially in a nation that is so in need of economic stability, yet the people's lives are so intertwined with the environment.

[@akhirpekan123]

Kalimantan apa kabar?

[@walizee8771]

Aceh tamiang sekarang lagi banjir?

[@MrAcquadimare]

Palm oil stores solar energy in its wood(Infact the heat of the wood that ignites comes from solar energy... Also CO2), and is an high growth wood crop!! in about 20 years a palm grows up to 12 meters!!..honestly, I think it's comparable to a local forest in terms of wood growth(the measure of stored CO2 and solar energy)... Obviously the wood of the cut plantations must not be burned ... but it must be used to make wood objects that last over time. If it stores solar energy it means it takes away solar energy from the environment and so it breaks global warming. Surely better than non-tree oil crops... Human beings, see better where's global warming.

[@tahumatika]

Kak rara✨

[@dorobo81]

All this just so junkfood be cheaper?

[@marvvelous6773]

Corruption have no limits in Asia.

[@royerlle]

Pls come to Nigeria it way worst

[@leo-messi61]

​@@royerlle mono

[@Hiruga666]

Blame to Chinese-Indonesian own palm oil company who get high demand of worldwide palm oil, US Europe Are High Consumer palm product like soap and beauty appliance

[@aliyin0666]

Saya selalu bermimpi di dunia ini tidak ada sistim kapitalism. Tapi saya sadar kalau hal itu tidak akan pernah terjadi 😅

[@re_1997]

Yg duduk dikursi : "Saya bilang untuk memajukan suatu daerah atau negara itu bukan karena pemerintahnya, tapi lebih ke masyarakatnya" 🤣🤣🤣 Lucu sekali pendapatnya, kalo gitu ngapain dia menjabat, kalo bukan dia yg majuin daerahnya 😂😂😂

[@Min-ze1mm]

NUMBER 1 CAUSE OF BIG FLOODS

[@ayuudira5396]

gratelful

[@AmieW]

dear vice asia, buy a new mic please zoom h1 seems like a big deal

[@padisuromertani]

I SEE RARA SEKAR I CLICK

[@abbozzz5483]

Assalamualaikum

[@muhammadyusuf-mx5lb]

It's a catch 2-2 ... While i do acknowledged there was an inherent problem of lack an inovation comes from the farmers ( lazy ) it also exarcebated by govts official who are too lazy to bring the solution for the farmers ....so it was a devil circle of nothing done and nothing moves on .. nobody was an innocent here ...

[@concavenator3905]

YOU PALM OIL NEVER LEARN especially for endangered animals

[@adanguns]

Gak bisa baha enggres😭

[@johoreanperson8396]

Kenapa(why)?

[@wahyutyas9581]

Samaaaa ...

[@yusdalenasaid6734]

Denger Bapak pejabat nya ngomong, hmmmm....

[@apiners]

"tapi saya gak tahu alasannya", jadi pengen ngatain :)

[@keroncongkemayoran8420]

Rara Sekar 💕

[@naruttamkalai5854]

THATS FUCKUP FORSURE

[@johoreanperson8396]

Money.......

[@churroofitness]

The people doing all the hard yet yet still very poor while the leaders keep getting richer

[@togian755]

Boycott it.

[@Luna-ne3dq]

Haha my country is in turmoil haha

[@lampuhijau9900]

Palm oil trap

[@bertoldgerrychannel]

Save yourselves. Nobody got your back.

[@Itilgals]

typical org indo cuma jago kasih alasan. alasan "Malas" tapi gak bisa jelasin kenapa.. cari dong tau kenapa rakyat elo malas.

[@arullaryandiza7068]

Sodara nya isyana yaa

[@faith-uk1ov]

Im ashamed of my country corruptness