Vickers Mk IV - Tank Design & Development

[@saml7610]

The Vickers MBT's were super interesting designs and they're largely unknown to most tank fans. Sweet video, you guys never disappoint. I appreciate that y'all mostly cover less well known vehicles, not many people out there doing that stuff.

[@armouredarchives8867]

ty! i aim to highlight the more unusual vehicles and designs arther than the usual tiger tiger tiger type of vids, as there is a lot of stuff that gets overlooked. - cheers

[@cryohellinc]

@@armouredarchives8867 Reported for not covering Tiger.

[@dereksg7510]

This is definitely a candidate for tanks that should have entered service. A shame that a simple loader accident put an end to a promising vehicle. The driver's vision dead zone could be somewhat mitigated today with surveillance cameras. The hull aluminum endoskeleton structure is a difficult issue to resolve tho.

[@armouredarchives8867]

indeed, but you would need to rebuild the entire hull for that, which means to essentily start over, and with no market interest of gov funding thats a very costly soloution

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

I can sort of understand Bovington not taking one (they have more vehicles than they know what to do with)... But I'd have thought it would make the perfect study vehicle for Shrivenham on not getting carried away with features but forgetting the fundamentals.

[@georgesabitbol2137]

Awesome job, thanks Ed, Can you give us more details about the KE protection of the hull front and the CE protection of the turret front ? I've also a few points to make : - I think that the French 120 mm smoothbore gun proposed on the Valiant was the older G1 (AMX-40 and Osório ; export MBTs) and not the newer F1 (Leclerc). - Regarding the dead ground in front, by the end of the 1982 two additional periscopes (slightly looking downward) were added on each side of the original. - Concerning the viability of the aluminium hull concept : the FV4211 achieved 12 000 track miles on various test tracks, and it was found that the components life was marginally better than that of the Chieftain. There was enough confidence in the aluminium hull rigidity after six months of trials.

[@robbo3353]

Great video. I worked for Vickers and was at Larkhill preparing to take Valiant to UAE on desert trials, we came back from lunch and found it upside down! major strip down at Bovington. Turret taken off and elevation gearbox repaired. the very wet soft ground helped, we still made it to the desert.

[@petereveleigh2417]

Rob, also a "significant first" was the complete integration of the weapon control electronics with the mechanics of the T & E gearboxes, turret ring etc from the drawing board forward. I was the Mil control systems GM at MRSL who developed (and named) the Centaur system. This, in its original form was our SFCS 600 fcs fully integrated with the freshly developed "solid state metadyne" (a 24v solution to the 56v problem in MBT80)- and also to the VS580 at the commander's station. I'm confident to say this level of integration WAS a world first - as a working demonstrator. Incidentally I had an NGL air conditioning system fitted to a Scorpion whilst running the Sales team @ ATDU - mid 70s!

[@robbo3353]

To add to my previous comment, Valiant may have been the first British tank to have air conditioning for the crew, powered by a small diesel engine.

[@yereverluvinuncleber]

11:05 0 Shouldn't that be an infra red absorbing paint? The last thing you'd want is a reflective paint that shines infra red when painted by a thermal imager.

[@armouredarchives8867]

Ohhh FFS... yes well spotted, totaly muppeted that one. good spot well done fella.

[@stephenwarhurst6615]

FTW Bovington tank Museum didn't want a part of Vickers British tank history and just let this tank be scraped.

[@chost-059]

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[@themooch8752]

What !! ... why ?

[@inwedavid6919]

maybe it was too good for its period and as UK stick to the problematic chieftain (a lot of reliability problem at this time) they want it to disapears.

[@themooch8752]

@@inwedavid6919 at the end chieftain was a good tank but way too many years spent on it

[@andreww2098]

it was of no real historical value, never put into production and wasn't requested by the British army, so no real demand to save it at the tank museum, though I suppose they could of parked it next to the first Valiant as a warning to not let lack of testing and bad ideas pile up

[@phil20_20]

Just how many Mark 4s are there? What about the torpedoes, and the naval guns, and...

[@tasman006]

Sweet video but what pisses me of is that it was rejected by the Museam. My question is why?.

[@armouredarchives8867]

not german enough probly :s but they are just not that interested in non mainstream stuff

[@danielfield2570]

Been excited for this one, made my day; thanks.

[@armouredarchives8867]

Glad to hear it!

[@spyderyaxis88]

Im suprised bovington wouldnt have it or shrivenham. Surely something could be learnt from it.

[@armouredarchives8867]

wont be the first thign they turned away

[@johngreen-sk4yk]

Sometimes it seems they are more bothered about saving fake movie tanks, they can always find room for them !

[@dougstubbs9637]

Seems to come from the same process which produced AMX40. Same fate.

[@armouredarchives8867]

yes, to many problems, had it been a MOD request thhen of course it would hhave been picked up sooner, but s a priavte job with no interest its cost vs time and so she failed, but a nice lookign tansk all the same

[@mikemcgrath433]

Hi, another fantastic vid and information, have you done a chat on the Khalid MBT by chance,

[@ChristianTheNorwegian]

This seems like a great WarThunder UK premium tank!

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

I hope not, mutch better as a tech tree vehicle just before the vickers Mk7. if the soviets get 7 non-premium MBTs from 9.7+ (plus another 2 9.3, and then a premium 9.7) the brits can get get 2 more 9.7+ MBTs too (and perhaps some 9.3s too) edit: the jordanian falcon II turret family (Centurian, challenger mk1 and chieftain tanks with new turrets, partially designed by south africans) or the EE-T1 Osório tank can be the 9.7 premiums. after all the soviets 9.7 premium is a non-russian T-72.

[@armouredarchives8867]

it would indeed, but where to place it in the tiers hmmm?

[@ChristianTheNorwegian]

@@armouredarchives8867 Tech Tree: 120mm + Thermals = 9.3 or 9.7. (Depending on engine power and mobility) Premium: 105mm + NVG = 8.7 or 9.0. Again, depending on the engine power. It could act as a well armored Leo 1, able to dish out damage, but withstand APDS and HEAT rounds.

[@RedXlV]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 I was completely unaware that the Osorio used a British turret, which makes it a serious contender for a British premium. As for the Vickers MBT Mk 4 Valiant, the Mk 1 and Mk 7 are already in the tech tree. Obviously it would go between them. Along with the Vijayanta Mk 2 and the Vickers MBT Mk 3. Also, the South African Olifant series needs to be added to the British tree.

[@janwitts2688]

Aluminium was a bad idea.... who could have thought....

[@Duke_of_Petchington]

Way keep all the Advantages of this design with having the structural integrite of paper: Use F-ing Titanium Alloy instead of Aliminium Alloy! Nuff said.

[@Slaktrax]

Not sure why the turret can't be traversed about 30 degrees to either side which would uncover the fuel tank access covers?

[@davidrobertson5700]

Matey, you are an amazing documentist. From, Brighton, Great Britain

[@aceofhearts573]

The turret of this tank was a great design and they put it in a Brazilian chassis that failed to sell and then put it in a German Leopard 2 which also didn't sell. Sad

[@thisisthecall]

Just found your channel, cracking stuff Keep up the good work : )

[@armouredarchives8867]

Welcome aboard!

[@ShopeeMarketteam]

No offense great videos, but you honestly need to balance your audio, your voice track is WAY too quiet Even on full volume I can barely hear you, and I'm using bose headphones, those things can pickup frequencies from space

[@armouredarchives8867]

yes, still learning, they got a bit better, - when im making the vids and playback its really loud, but it seems youtube makes stuff a lot lower, so i have to raise it in the editor more to adjust

[@vandelayofficial492]

Lovely machine.

[@armouredarchives8867]

It sure is!

Designing a tank that you cant fill up in field and which is structurally unsound sounds like something that should have happened in 1930 and not later 😀 But intersting vehicle nonetheless.

[@OperationFoxley19441]

World Of Tanks CONSOLE R YOU WATCHING?

[@vermillion.__-_.]

Absolutely wicked designs these are. Warthunnder when?

[@wideyxyz2271]

Well they moved on quite nicely from the Mk E lol.......

[@chally2mbt12]

please do challenger 1 and challenger 2 devolopment

[@armouredarchives8867]

chally will be there, problem with that is you hhave a whole lot of stuff beforehand, that results in us gettign that, from shir, mbt-80, fmbt and other projects, which i need to cover fist, or it would be a video of refrences that make no sense, if evey 2 mins i refer back to a previous project people dont know about. as why we got the challenger is a very complex subject.

[@armouredarchives8867]

that said, there will be challenger done, and once done the background to what led up to it will be far more complete

[@andreww2098]

and add the new Challenger 3 upgrades

[@mrbluesky2050]

. . ' a lesson in how not to ' . . . one of which was to securely tie down for transport

[@gideonsgate9133]

No matter what I will be able to be there in the next 25 minutes

[@harrycarter1722]

Looks superior to the M1a1. Rest can be sor out

[@cryohellinc]

Sexy looking tank 👌

[@23GreyFox]

14:50 looks like a Leopard 2 hull.

[@armouredarchives8867]

yup Mk 7 is a leopard hull and vickers turret

[@thewomble1509]

@@armouredarchives8867 Mk 7/2.

[@StuPony111]

Revealing and enlightening on a subject hardly known to me. What a waste of money and resources

[@armouredarchives8867]

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[@yereverluvinuncleber]

Very interesting, just listened a second time!

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

so Vickers built the first prototyp for the Abrams m1a1

[@thewomble1509]

No. FV4211 was the tank that inspired both the the XM1 and Shir2/Challenger 1/2 tanks.The Mk4 was a private venture vehicle financed and developed solely by Vickers.

[@MililaniJag]

Very interesting! Cheers!

[@armouredarchives8867]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@pontuswendt2486]

AMAZINGNES!!!

[@gusgone4527]

I used to drive and ride past the Scotswood factory twice each day. I often marvelled at the tank designs that appeared outside in various colours. Sadly I have lost the many photographs taken over the years. BUGGER!

[@armouredarchives8867]

aww damm, might have been good to see those! i had a tons of stuff on an old hardrive that blew once - those are gone too... feels the pain

[@gusgone4527]

@@armouredarchives8867 I'm really enjoying going back through your extensive archive of videos. Very informative. Just wish I hadn't lost all those photos. I'd have donated them to you.

[@ianallan8005]

I went to the Elswick and Scotswood works, every day, for 22 years. Every day now, I thank goodness I escaped

[@gusgone4527]

@@ianallan8005 OK, tell me why? Surely producing munitions for Queen and Country was both a duty and an honour. The factory should still be there today, producing CV90 in various configuration for the British Armed Forces. In addition to supplying them to nations under threat from Putin's Russia and those evil Chinese communists.

[@ianallan8005]

@@gusgone4527 it wasn’t for me. I hated Vickers and Vickers hated me right back. Offered the chance of redundancy I snatched it from their hands, went to university and started again

[@combatmikearms]

This one probably wont be coming to wot then lol, then again you stopped collaborating with them didnt you? Or did I misinterpret that?

[@armouredarchives8867]

yup dont/wont work with them

[@combatmikearms]

@@armouredarchives8867 any particular reason you wont? Is it because their balancing is so ass on the tanks you worked on?

[@armouredarchives8867]

@@combatmikearms partly but no, a former popular streamer got me fired. so alas nope, no more

[@combatmikearms]

@@armouredarchives8867 im assuming you wont give out that streamers name, which I understand, but what exactly made them go as far as getting you fired? (If you dont mind me asking)

[@Simon_Nonymous]

@@combatmikearms highly probable that they didn't like truth about the tanks they pretend to model in the game.. but that's just my cynical guess old boy

[@petter5721]

Great video 👍🏻

[@armouredarchives8867]

Thanks 👍

[@ThorandSharon]

Very informative and great analysis. Thanks for posting!

[@timsweet3224]

like i have said on a jonny foreigner vid ., i stole a book from woolies an innit was one picture of the more tea vickers valiant ,this book didnt do justice to the drawing at bottom of page to a challenger on its page , but there were a good frontal pic of a chally two onfirst page i do diddly say .

[@timsweet3224]

oh i forgot YARP been wantin to know about this valiant . yup.

[@michaelmulligan0]

It actually sounds good

[@Galvars]

Let's hear that horrible Ed voice. 😉

[@armouredarchives8867]

cringe

[@origamichik3n]

Let's be fair. His voice is not that bad, compared to other incompetent camera minions.

[@Galvars]

@@origamichik3n No sweat mate, that's just inside joke, Ed get's it. 😉

[@origamichik3n]

@@Galvars So is "camera minion" one, mate. I hope Ed gets it too.