Rick Rubin explains how System of a Down's Chop Suey! was created (2022)

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[@andrabook8758]

I actualy hate that about that song. it was random...i can tell it's random and it's so annoying!

[@AllofJudea]

@@andrabook8758 Look deeper, listen harder, see the things that aren't obvious.

[@joelopez7197]

AMAZING!!!!🤘🤘🤘🤘💪💪🔥🔥🔥

[@felipecervantes7881]

Back?

[@andrabook8758]

@@AllofJudea why? they just picked random lines from a page in a book. that song always annoyed me. I hate it when song writters do that.

[@Neil-d4k]

Joe was thinking the damage a bear would do if let loose in that crowd.

[@CeArW]

Man or bear analogy? This comment aged like wine, congrats.

[@TheEvilWithinKevin]

🤣🤣

[@wawa6711]

@@CeArW that's not even close bro

[@stevefossum9065]

Hilarious!!!

[@mikebergman1817]

Bro this comment🤣

[@educostanzo]

The lyrics are great and all, but honestly what really gives me the chills is the vocal harmony and particularly Serj's delivery and emotion in that part.

[@nicks1134]

Spot on comment

[@aaronvanzile3824]

It's the piano in the back for me. Everything you mentioned is absolutely true and accurate but for my ear the quiet, fairly simple piano arrangement in the back is what elevates that part into something i have to finish listening to, even now over 20 years later and heard hundreds of times. It's this sort of sweet but melancholy, melodic, ethereal, just that little tiny extra bit that works so immensely well with the soaring harmonies.

[@Nick_C23]

@@aaronvanzile3824 10000%… it wouldn’t have the same emotional impact without that light piano in the background

[@Ghostyfrost9688]

Serj is one of the greatest ever vocalists IMO

[@freddychampagne]

Chills from the power of those words released September 4th 2001

[@blurfan375]

Toxicity is one of the best produced metal albums ever. It could be released today and still sound completely new and fresh. Absolutely timeless. Edit: it blows my mind people are still replying to this comment arguing if it’s metal or not. Fellas give it a rest

[@behindthen0thing]

That isn't metal

[@LARESCIV]

@@behindthen0thing alt. metal

[@LiamNero94]

@@behindthen0thing it's undeniably metal. whether alt or nu, it all counts

[@Teguranch]

@@behindthen0thing imagine being such a music snob you gatekeep one of the better metal albums ever released 😂

[@Hoscitt]

@@Teguranch but it ain't metal though!

[@FearsomeWarrior]

Rick Rubin is the guy who asked Johnny Cash to sing Hurt by NIN/Trent Reznor. Insane amount of artists from all genres. Slayer and Adel. Santana and LL Cool J. Weezer and Metallica. Tom Petty and Lords of Acid. He is legend.

[@michaelhornsey9792]

amazing

[@fluteofshame8476]

He is Legend fucking underrated .

[@FinkleisEinhorn52]

He butchered Metallicas album

[@penn2trip]

And RHCP!!!!

[@penn2trip]

He produced Blood Sugar Sex Magic!

[@HallowedLunch]

Amazing how Rick has heard so many songs, and been around so much music, and still loves it like a teenager. Truly a gift.

[@rosinwilliams9543]

you should smoke some gas bruv

[@kazman_6899]

And somehow still has terrible taste.

[@Ha-fy6zv]

@@kazman_6899 That song is fire, and Rick is a legend at making artists super stars. He knows whats up.

[@kazman_6899]

@@Ha-fy6zv Submit a list of his favourite albums or artists. He is adroit at producing music - there's no question about that. But when it comes to taste in music, he wouldn't know his head from his arse.

[@ventzp2133]

@@kazman_6899 Good thing is... There is music for everybody's taste.

[@JPMongeS]

Love how Rick headbangs to his own produced song; he might be proud of what he accomplished with SOAD in Toxicity. Amazing record!.

[@EddyG0rdo]

He doesn’t listen to music. He feels it. You can tell.

[@utopiachild71]

If you watch the RHCP suck my kiss music video you can see Rick Rubin rocking out in it.

[@undinism69]

Considering he's asleep on the couch for half the songs he's produced, it might be the first time hearing them 😉

[@hazelelcamino7453]

Lol he produced it...he didn’t write or play the song

[@ivaerz4977]

Lmao that's the most hilarious thing I've seen this week 😆

[@natemorris3847]

It's incredible because he's probably heard that song thousands of time and he still is digging it to this day

[@celuiquipeut6527]

Well, to be honest, i was 20 when this came out. I just listened to it now and the raw emotion i felt is the same.

[@16BitOG]

good music stays good

[@CSgof___yourself]

We all are. Shit’s so badass

[@MutenRoscher]

@@celuiquipeut6527 well said!

[@metalsadman]

@Celui Quipeut one of the best songs ever created even how goofy it is.

[@wearesource]

There is a much deeper message that Rick is trying to share with us. And when he says, “I get chills”, he is deeply awe-struck by the synchronicity of life. Many of the artists who have worked with Rick, speak of his guru-like ability to tune into a song, an artist or moment - and intuitively know what is needed. “When you are open, and looking for these clues in the world, they’re happening all the time. And they’re happening often right when you need them.” Rick is plugged into the intelligent rhythm of the universe. That’s fucking powerful.

[@chrisbotts8334]

😂😂😂

[@benw4401]

Lol

[@Nebulisreconx]

it’s called hypnotic rhythm. Napoleon hill talks about it in his book outwitting the devil

[@NewWorldSinner]

Few will get your reference to synchronicity but it’s poignant

[@jaredmello]

Right on man

[@MondoCool]

I love how Rogan basically goes "F it, it's my show. We're just gonna let this play through til the end" and they both just vibed out for 2 uninterrupted minutes.

[@DBizzie24]

@Daniel Alves At the very least a member of the board.

[@MegaNancyLover]

He used to do that all the time when the podcast was small. He only stopped doing it once his podcast bece massive because KZbin started being a lot more strict about it several years ago with regards to playing other content.

[@thxalotobama9343]

I don’t think we watched the same video. Joe very clearly wasn’t into it at all.

[@jamesmcbrain5497]

The way Joe says "it is so cool"

[@johanneswielenga6902]

@@jamesmcbrain5497 Check out his eyes hes looking up at something, not even making eye contact... "yeah...... it is so cool....." lol - he wasn't in to it at all. My guess is he was looking at a clock or a timer on the wall and thinking "fuck"

[@Relyt345]

I remember listening to System as a teenager for hours. I’d lay on my bed, put my headphones on close my eyes and just listen to an album start to finish without interruption. System of a Down will always be dear to my heart.

[@pastormariscal1561]

SAME!! the first album i ever bought new was Toxicity and I listened to it like the way you said like 30-50 times probably. I also learned to play a few of the songs on that album.

[@Sergeant_Camacho]

Damn… back then when life seemed to be so simple and innocent.

[@nutslut]

shit one of my best memories is having to stay home from school in the 3rd grade because of an ice storm that caused massive power outages across the county. I didn't have fuck all else to do so I borrowed my dads cd player, and started going through his binder collection to find new music to listen to. I ended up settling on mezmerize because the album artwork was dope. I laid down, let it spin, and had a fuckin euphoric experience.

[@thewizard7099]

That’s some serial killer type shit

[@gabormeszaros4896]

20 years have passed so fast...(32)

[@Noticing-Enjoyer]

Rick- it radical Joe- yea Rick- I get chills Joe- yeah Rick- it's so cool Joe- it is so cool Great interview skills and amazing Inight Joe.

[@veRGe02]

Yeah wtf, was he high as shit or something? Worst reaction ever to something truly beautiful lol

[@peligroy2k]

Sober October 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@SegaSnatchers]

Unless it's about Wild Animals, MMA or Science, Joe doesn't seem to care.

[@Basedmursenary]

He’s a dope and I don’t understand why people value him

[@nebulousisgod]

He’s trying to come up with something relevant to say. The music is too good for him to comprehend. Haha

[@kommisar.]

It's so cool to see Joe and his guest just sit there and watch a video in complete silence, uninterrupted with no commentary, just taking in the music and enjoying it (especially Rick).

[@matthewbittenbender9191]

Rick Rubin is responsible for most of the music I love. Beastie Boys, SOAD, Chilli Peppers, Public Enemy, Weezer and Johnny Cash's final comeback were essentials in my life. Truly an amazing talent to have create such great bands and to make great bands better. Respect.

[@ghstletter5978]

No offense to Rick Rubin but he takes alot more credit than necessary. I'm also a fan, but he just takes a little too much credit for the talent he got to be around!

[@matthewbittenbender9191]

@@ghstletter5978 I don't think I've actually ever seen him touting his "genius" in the slightest. Maybe that happens, but all I ever see is those people in the industry and his performers give him immense credit for whatever success they achieve and there have been a lot.

[@JJ-bg1ym]

@@ghstletter5978 no offense, but your opinion is trash lol

[@ghstletter5978]

@@JJ-bg1ym I'm not mad🤷

[@brandonjensen5292]

He did Billy Corgan’s solo album too in 2017 Ogilala and it’s firrrrre

[@kylescott7654]

The fact that to this day you will still see Rick lose it and headbang to this absolute masterpiece he created with SOAD will forever warm my heart. What a beautiful era to grow up in surrounded by these albums.

[@josiahpadfield5040]

The amount of respect I still see Rick has for SOAD is amazing. So many talented musicians he’s been around and he still talks about them.

[@carlodave9]

Uniqueness, principles, virtuosity, and face-melting heavy-duty rock. What’s not to remember?

[@ChrisM-bn5vr]

SOAD are definitely his best work in my opinion, Toxicity is one of the greatest metal albums of all time. It's the only Metal that my dad will listen to, my dad was more into softer rock type stuff, but he would always play Toxicity in the car when I was growing up. It's cool how a band like that can bring in fans to a genre they would never normally listen to.

[@pato10111]

They are always the band he goes back to. Every interview he mentions them.

[@burazster]

@@ChrisM-bn5vr my dad is also that type, and he loved soad

[@urjnlegend]

Because they're badass

[@BritishGandalf]

"Father, why have you forsaken me?" are the words of Jesus on the cross. The fact that these words could be picked at random is nothing less than chilling.

[@EdwinLopez-hf3uw]

It wasn't random. He's bullshitting.

[@JA-gz6cj]

@@EdwinLopez-hf3uw why would he bullshit a random thing like that?

[@EdwinLopez-hf3uw]

@@JA-gz6cj Probably because like all guests on JRE, they think they have to say something that blows people's mind. in his defense, my guess, after some deliberation, is that Rick Rubin, being Jewish never read the Bible and never knew the story of Jesus' death and Resurrection . He doesn't even know what a Bible looks like. So to him it was a random book he never read . Maybe he also got the location mixed up because again, why would he even have a Bible in his library. It was probably at Serj's house or a studio office.

[@JA-gz6cj]

@@EdwinLopez-hf3uw he's fukken rick rubin, he dont have to make up fake stories to blow peoples minds lmao

[@StuTheDon17]

​@EdwinLopez-hf3uw Wrong. I've read an interview with him where the reporter describes his library.... "He seems to be one with the room, which is lined in floor-to-ceiling books, most of which are of a spiritual nature, whether about Buddhism, the Bible or New Age quests for enlightenment. The library and the house are filled with religious iconography mixed with mementos from the world of pop."

[@debaser38]

This song came out when I was 17 and it sent chills down my spine then and does so to this day. Raw, brutal, beautiful.

[@darrensanimalsreptilesfish30]

One of the songs that initially inspired me to start playing bass. 19 years later. Wow

[@sectorseven07]

I was 9 years old when it came out and I'm 32 now, and it goes down in my life as one of the most brilliant songs produced by Gen X.

[@adamdam]

@@sectorseven07 We were 10 or 11 at the time, as I'm 32 also, I think I was just short of 11 years old and remember that era well, even though I've outgrown that era of bands...System are one that have always held integrity in there sound.

[@Connection-Lost]

Class of 2000. It's boring to me now, having heard SO. MUCH. if it still sends chills down your spine, I guess you have been stuck in a boring life.

[@Pinkrosesandagraveyard]

@@Connection-Lost different music affects different people differently 😉

[@NickPR87]

I love that Rogan has gone back to having really influential and legitimately interesting people on the podcast. This episode was tremendous!

[@BassPlayer9000]

He still has good guest it's kind of a hit or miss for me. Personally I can't listen to the political guest's. The music guests are my favorite and sometime's the educational episode's are cool depending on what it is

[@marthajacobs4910]

Awesome!

[@ukaszb5694]

@@BassPlayer9000 Yeah, that Karen was insufferable

[@poindextertunes]

YUGE 😂

[@monk4098]

Rick Rubin is the king of exaggerations....The only chop suey this guy knows is the slop he picks out of his gross beard

[@JonSudano]

Dang, my dumb ass trying to write meaningful lyrics off the top of my head when I can just be picking up random books

[@davidfischer1971]

somebody once told me the woooorld is gonna..

[@brynlpz83]

Dude just bragged about stealing people's writings for lyrics. 🤣

[@Adrian9oh9]

@@brynlpz83 Rubin is highlighting this one part of a bigger whole. He’s not “bragging”. It’s about incorporating a tiny piece from somewhere else into the song. What they did was no different from taking a fragment off the ground and putting in a mosiac. It’s not a copy of the entire thing. There’s nothing wrong with this (small) part of the process. All of your favorite artists have done this to some degree.

[@desoxyn8683]

@@brynlpz83 ah yes because no one in any genre has every resampled something or borrowed lyrics 🤡

[@JeanDoMax]

"Father, into your hands I commend my spirit" is a phrase from the Bible though, so I highly doubt Serj just took a "random book" and accidently stumbled on the Bible haha

[@josephcastro3058]

Young Jamie is underrated. Already had the section of the song ready for Rick Ruben to playback and exemplify his point. Always ahead. Joe knew exactly what he was doing when getting Young Jamie as the backend of the show.

[@Murder4Survival]

Bro really convinced them to play his mixtape live on the podcast

[@dbrickashawful]

A tape he mixed😂

[@mikecamp7175]

😂

[@zees2449]

@@dbrickashawful So his mixtape right? ...

[@damiendelvallee7256]

This little "mixtape" has 1,2 billion views on KZbin...

[@MrNachocheeze50]

No shame😂

[@ZombieRoca]

Love that he still talks about SOAD

[@SplinterAce]

It's one of those songs that you listened to a lot as a kid or teenager but you need to return to it as an adult to really understand it's beauty.

[@littlejerryseinfeld4168]

definitely. George Carlin and Eminem are also on that list of artists that I loved when I was in my mid-late teens but I didnt really get the messages yet, or at least I thought it was exaggerated for effect. George Carlin especially saw exactly what was going on and told us straight up what was going on. SOAD is more subtle usually, but I just did a re-listen to most of their music and I finally understood some of the more obscure stuff.

[@jamiegould5872]

It's a song with different meanings at different parts of your life.

[@davidmcclaskey342]

well put, I did just that this week

[@JA-gz6cj]

I just returned to it, it's amazing

[@israel_morrison]

still gives me goose bumps. love how Ruben made him listen to all of it !

[@d.4227]

I love you System of a Down. 22 years later and still listening everyday.

[@JSaltyfabricator]

Still gives me all the feels 20 years later

[@dimebagjosh2007]

It instantly took me back to riding around in my big brother’s car blasting this song!

[@Jacob32905]

All time banger for sure.

[@tonym2541]

I remember meeting System of a Down in Baton Rouge in the late 90's. I was talking to their bass player Shavo Odadjian, asking why on Earth was he was playing a hollow body Linc Luthier bass on stage. He told me he really liked them, but I told him the sound and look were completely wrong for his music. I suggested he try a Gibson Thunderbird instead. He was lukewarm to the idea at the time but was cordial and said he'd consider it. Shavo is a very nice guy and we talked for a some time about the band, thier music, and bass playing in general. I even recall Serj Tankian looking over at us wondering what we were so intently chatting about. A few years passed and I was watching MTV when Chop Suey came on. Sure enough, I immediately recognized the band and noticed that Shavo had ditched his old bass for a Gibson Thunderbird!! I believe Gibson even sponsors him now. I would love to hear from him and find out if he remembered our conversation, but they are so huge it probably has no chance of happening. Anyway, even at the point when I met them, you could tell they had something special and were destined to make it big. Glad to see they did.

[@LysanderSA]

Magnificent story. I´ll upvoted it. Maybe he´ll read it some day.

[@justintee3241]

Sure buddy

[@konstantinonassis7015]

@@LysanderSA same

[@limonadajo6683]

wow

[@mikesmeltzer6921]

I’ll take things that never happened for $100 Alex.

[@fredrickjsimpson]

I had a 10 year old girl request this song to be sung in class as part of our daily morning singing sessions. The kids are alright.

[@Humanbodymentorshipacademy]

Clever Offspring reference!

[@samuelbruno8353]

That piano section over the top along with the vocal harmonies, man I get chills when I hear that part too.

[@adampryor4662]

Look how much he LOVES this song. You can tell it's just part of who he is to love the music he helps create, which is why so many songs he is apart of are so lasting.

[@yooniversal5716]

LOVES it so much he doesn't remember the name of the song or the name of the singer or the right lyrics.....

[@Jack-r2v9b]

@@yooniversal5716 you don't need details if you love something

[@johnd3124]

music will never be good this again. so frikin sick of mumble rap. when will rock come back... :(

[@Relyt345]

@Yoon do you have any idea how much music this man has produced? Give him a break man.

[@mikecaleca5493]

@@yooniversal5716 i think hes produced almost 300 albums so several thousand songs. im sure some things slip thru the cracks over time. Not to mention hes not the youngest anymore

[@GodofLovers]

Such a powerful song. You can really feel the strong energy from it. Most songs don't do that to me.

[@lloyd6491]

One of the greatest songs ever, so powerful

[@samchoate1719]

It really is great. Too much music today is overproduced. The guys in SOAD are really talented and the producers/engineers didn’t ruin it by quantizing and pitch correcting everything. Sounds good because it’s real. :)

[@zac2877]

Gojira does this as well

[@cal-king]

I see you're a Tool fan. They're one hell of a powerful band.

[@zac2877]

@@cal-king I've seen tool five times, I've seen a perfect circle four times. I've seen hundreds of shows from many different types of bands Tool is by far my favorite

[@jps3903]

Saw System at Ozzfest in 2002. They were absolutely great at what was my all time favorite musical event. Legendary lineup. 4 songs brought the entire amphitheater alive 1. Chop Suey 2. More human than human 3. Bodies with the og Drowning Pool lineup and 4. Ozzy doing Mama I’m Coming Home right after Sharon’s cancer diagnosis. An epic night.

[@patrickaker4380]

I’ll agree! Was there at the show outside Detroit.

[@aleistercornejo1726]

Same! 2001-2 Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View, CA. I remember SOAD opened with Forest, lost my shit 🤯

[@localgrassfieldboneshandler]

That's so awesome, lucky .

[@hailtothe_rooster1572]

2001 pledge of allegiance tour Slipknot, SOAD, mudvayne, rammstein, I forget the opener

[@tk7977]

RR is one on a short list of legitimate musical geniuses. To both produce some of the greatest rap albums of all time, while also seeing the broader mainstream appeal of SOAD (what anyone else would have seen as a non-traditional niche band) is impressive as hell.

[@Porcoggimba]

Rubin literally produced Slayer's Reign In Blood the same here he did Run-DMC - Raising Hell and Beastie Boys - Licensed to Ill, so it's not like he didn't have any idea what metal is

[@pags1981]

@@Porcoggimba ahem.....SLAYER! Raining Blood and Post Mortem are two of the best metal tunes ever created.

[@paradiddle5150]

@@pags1981 Subjective, and personally Sepultura's album Arise trumps anything Slayer ever did, as far as 80's thrash metal goes. Everyone has an opinion

[@charliegugino8047]

It’s amazing that one man has shaped some of the biggest and best bands and artists of the last 40 years

[@KarLuv]

One of the greatest songs in rock history

[@TheTalk23]

It's considered more metal.

[@shiningstar6054]

Absolutely one of my favorite songs of all time. From the first time I heard it unto the last time just a moment ago in this clip, I feel the same way about it every single time....chills. And everytime I can't stop myself from dancing, singing, with every part of being from the very first beat and tone to the final note at the end. When finished my face is wet with tears and I feel more awake and more alive than ever. It is an amazing musical arrangement and lyric composition.... beautiful harmony.... profound words... intense.... emotional... A masterpiece that fully engages me.

[@jeremymatamales5072]

Random lyrics are amazing because it's like a proverbial shotgun blast of emotions that several billion people can interpret for themselves. In short, it'll mean something to someone somewhere eventually...

[@all_invite_0hm]

That's the same for all lyrics/songs, though, as well.

[@yeflynne]

Nice way of putting it

[@elijahantony4300]

I think we should take this discourse with a grain of salt. He (Rubin) knows exactly word for word what the lyrics are in the bridge, but pretended to not know, pause and push it to Jamie. Secondly it is not random. The lyrics fit with the rest of the lyrics in the song. The chorus contains "self-righteous suicide" referring to the crucifixion and bridge lyrics are words spoken by Christ. Lets not be so gullible guys.

[@TheLonelyFuture1]

Not really. It's random, there's no meaning. Literally picked form a random page of a random book. So not even the artist put effort in them.

[@mariokarter13]

You're confusing "random" for "serendipitous." Serj talking about Green Eggs and Ham during the bridge would be random. Serj talking about the heavenly Father after singing about angels for the entire song is serendipity.

[@rainbowsunshinekitty3953]

Chop Suey is one of my favorite songs of all time! The harmonies are epic! Great album too!

[@gauravthadanii]

yes the harmonies are underrated.

[@josechavez2148]

This part he talks about still gives me chills between lyrics, delivery, melody, and harmonies

[@Amocoru]

More metal bands need to embrace him and his style instead of pushing him away. He is an absolute legend and will push albums to be incredible.

[@Mayadel100]

go listen to the johnny cash remasters and tell me if you still hold that opinion lol

[@diegosotomiranda4107]

Nah

[@stipepoljak1985]

Ask slipknot 😁

[@xdef1ne]

tell that to slipknot

[@celebrate__]

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[@lukeslayer]

Goosebumps, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME! ❤️

[@AppliedFool042]

You're not alone brother

[@Justinsox39]

Hundreds of times every time

[@zGJungle]

I have it on my playlist in my work van, sing my heart out every time.

[@tripppyy]

It's so extremely obvious how much of a musician Rick Rubin vs Joe Rogan as how he moves his head and body with the music involuntarily.

[@RickyDemetro]

Rick Rubin was bobbing his head out of rhythm

[@heavyglassglass]

You have to be a musician to move your body to music?

[@itsmissinformation]

@@RickyDemetro he was following the guitar and drum's forward swing

[@brianburns77]

“Jesus cried out in a loud voice, 'Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? ' which is translated, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? ' ” (Mark 15:34; Matthew 27:46) is a direct quotation from Psalm 22:1. Jesus called out with a loud voice, 'Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.' When he had said this, he breathed his last." (Luke 23:44-46) This is why it's giving them chills.

[@thomthum2000]

I’m convinced that Rick Rubin is a wizard who’s in the business of conjuring up magical moments and capturing them on tape.

[@Hughesburner]

This actually quite accurate, if you believe in the spirit world, black magic, Hollywood etc. Nothing that comes from there, music, television, movies are by accident. It's all programing. Lots of video on here with musicians openly admitting to selling their souls, actors/actress and other musicians admitting to being posseted by "something" while filming a movie or writing a song or on stage.

[@chumchum8154]

Actually, I truly believe he's satan.

[@shadowlq5366]

​@@Hughesburner It's really fun how they and we ourselves try to make us believe in fairy tales such as "selling your soul for success" when the real problem is is precisely making us believe what they want, manipulating us through media, and we can barely do anything about it.

[@StephanHeinlein]

And the random book is a bible. 😀 Love it! Love the story, that he is working with writers on their lyrics in his library. He is special.

[@pab1381]

Dude Toxicity is one of the best metal albums of all time. Chop Suey even though it was mainstream is one of my favorites. The outro is amazing. So many good songs on that album. I know bands have to change their sound over time to create something different but I felt Hypnotize and Mesmerize weren’t as good. If you wanna listen to this song slowed its so good.

[@GodinezMedia]

Bro holy mountains was fire. I thought every system album was amazing

[@acaperic9070]

@@GodinezMedia damn right that song really got me into system

[@Dieterbe]

Toxicity and steal this album were a bit more raw and "out there" whereas hypnotize/mesmerize were a bit more smooth. Love em all. Shame they split. I also love Daron's scars on Broadway . Personally I find serj' solo stuff more boring and unrefined

[@jayclue8581]

@@Dieterbe ...They didn't split up. They still tour together in Europe, and are all still friends. Serj has said they don't make new music together because Daron and Serj just aren't on the same page, creatively.

[@DemarcusDinkle]

i love how much rick rubin is vibing to the song

[@Dieterbe]

All SOAD guys are Armenian and it's really cool when you can hear the traditional Armenian influences. Occasionally I hear it in Daron's playing for example the song Hypnotize has a beautiful traditional section

[@drewski103]

I'm just sitting in my car and waiting for my.....

[@IJamesCordenLoveMyWife]

Yass kween #representation matters 🙏

[@alexcaminiti]

The groove is so strong. Love this drummer. Love his harmonies. Everything worked in their system.

[@aaronvanzile3824]

John Dolmayan! He's fantastic, such a great distinct sound. Back, I wanna say some time in the early 2000s he played with the USC Trojan Marching Band, they had an arrangement of SOAD songs and he played on the field with them. I'm not sure if it was just once but I remember it from when I was younger.

[@alexcaminiti]

@@aaronvanzile3824 I remember seeing a photo of him on stage with his back to the camera and he had this huge floor Tom to the left of his hats. I always thought that was bad ass. Original drummer of Train did the same thing, I found out years later. Both of them are solid ass drummers with a lot of dynamics while being hard hitters and tasteful/creative.

[@drewbocop]

John is the glue that holds it all together. Massively underrated

[@playinpearls5419]

I HATED System of a Down when they came out. I couldn't stand "Sugar" and when it came on I'd turn the radio off. Then this song came out. It was so mind-blowing to me that I went out and bought both albums and forced myself to listen to them. SOAD is now one of my top metal bands of all time. Truly unique.

[@lesymon8483]

Those bands that sound odd at the beginning but you eventually start to embrace and understand after a few listens, those are the ones that will truly stick

[@To-mos]

That's how I discovered Slipknot and Disturbed funny how we stumble upon interests in this ever connected web of reactions.

[@yupicorsic]

Funny how "Sugar" is the song that got me into the band

[@krinkles147]

sugar is a banger bro

[@SkyGodHQ]

Funnily, Sugar is now what is getting the younger generation into System of the Down.

[@thedeathstar420]

The vocalist of this band is so amazing. Incredible talent

[@johnd9357]

You should listen to the acapella version of chop suey. It’s on KZbin. It’s incredible.

[@behindthen0thing]

He's got a big ass nose too

[@alsimmons1870]

Serj is also a really dope person.

[@EdwardSnortin]

@@alsimmons1870 Too bad he's a Democrat stooge

[@alsimmons1870]

@@EdwardSnortin Can you have one conversation without bringing up political parties? Or is this what you base pretty much your entire personality on? Sad.

[@jamesg8246]

I get goosebumps every time I hear that part of the song too. The harmony and emotion runs deep.

[@jasoncrook7588]

I know exactly what Rick is talking about. I feel sorry for Joe or anyone else who doesn’t understand/appreciate the musical dynamics here. I am just learning that the lyrical content is random, but that only adds to the magic. It’s Serj’s use of emotion and melody that drove this home to me since the moment I heard it at the tender age of 15. The “forsaken me” part always pulled at my heartstrings. And it leads so beautifully into the final chorus with the harmony from Daron. Just…masterful.

[@bmcgee7711]

This song has ways given me the chills. I don't think Joe gets it here.

[@freshoxygen2176]

Saw them in 99 or 2000 I forget. Absolutely freakin loved it! Primus and System of a Down in one show! Plus there was a mud pit at the venue LOL

[@marcdumont2275]

Me too. Serj's voice crack when he sings the word "heart", that always got me a bit. And of course the harmonies at the end hit you out of nowhere and cap off the song perfectly.

[@DPK99ATown]

Who made you the gatekeeper of “understanding/appreciating” the musical dynamics here..get bent

[@XexDesigns]

I feel sorry for the you for looking down on ppl that might Misunderstand this bc they like the song and that’s literally all that matters . Looking down on u tho ik I’ll sacrifice myself to just say it

[@purmitherple2127]

Song ends and they just stare into each other’s eyes ❤ so sweet

[@machinescapes]

CHILLS! This album was very important to me in high school. Sad Joe didn’t react the way Rick wanted him to.

[@_BK__]

Joe is meathead, only likes talking about MMA

[@nicolasortega9855]

Cool to see Rick Rubin jam to a song

[@marcosantillan603]

I read this as I noticed it.

[@Footwork__]

So glad they listened to it all the way through. Right after the part they talked about has one of the best harmonization ever!

[@curtfox91]

System of a Down has perfect delivery they are so in sync with each other it’s amazing. That part of the song is so damn good it will never get old. Hope they can make 1 last tatesful classic Double disc album

[@andystockman761]

Rick bobbing his head, Joe staring stone faced at the video. That's how you know someone bleeds music.

[@comicsbythebay]

LOL, i was thinking the exact same thing. I'm over here with the foot tap going and head nodding too along with Rick, freaking Joe just still. Dammit man, feel the music lol!

[@jackbauer555]

i think joe is trying to maintain some composure, maybe he likes to headbang in private

[@miahmcbride5415]

That breakdown/outro has given me the chills every time I've ever heard it... the first time I ever heard it was actually on September 11th and it really hit hard that day.

[@tboneironhead9966]

My man helped create this song and is still banging to it all these years later. Rock on sir

[@trentonbasadre8039]

Love how Rick can groove on just about anything. I wish I had his ability to just see it the way he does. It’s part gift and part just incredibly deep understanding. Dudes the guru. That Mars Volta album was so rad.

[@johnbsouth1]

Great song. Great producer. Great interview. Thanks Joe and Rick for sharing an iconic Rock and Roll Musicians back story.

[@shogun1556]

Fun fact: the song was originally supposed to be titled "suicide" but the band was asked to "chop" the title by the record label for something more appropriate. So they utilmately decided to play on that and called the song "Chop Suey".

[@Seriona1]

Chop Suey is a play on Suicide.

[@manogorre]

Wow i didnt know this at all, that makes a lot of sense which makes everything a little bit better!

[@sheepdavis]

​@@Seriona1 no its not

[@Seriona1]

@@sheepdavis Yes it is. SOAD confirmed it, dumbass. Chop as in to slice and Suey as in SUICIde. Try doing some research before you type.

[@INTRO173]

If you crank the volume up, within the first second or so, you can hear Serj say, "We're rolling Suicide."

[@zuu1701]

I get chills listening to this track too. The harmonies and lyrics are next level dope. SOAD were an incredible band.

[@four-eight-zero5627]

Crazy. Serj randomly landed on maybe the most emotional part of the Gospel to use as the bridge of this song. Added to the rest of it, it makes the whole thing almost psychedelic. Yeah.. this guy knows what he's doing.

[@itsshaz4311]

what exactly is a psychedelic song?? I guess I know but I wanna know from someone who knows what it exactly means. The bridge is so good!

[@four-eight-zero5627]

@@itsshaz4311 Well, the bridge of this song is loaded with meaning for obvious reasons. This song (and this band's work) is just good art. Viewed through the lens of my life experiences I get a flood of meaning and perceptions when I listen to it. A powerful hallucinogen has the same effect.

[@MrBearddog]

@@itsshaz4311 It's literally what Christ said on the cross right before he died. This was "randomly taken from a book". It's the moment that proves God allowed Christ to make his ultimate sacrifice without help so that Christ"s triumph could be his - much like a parent will allow a child to do something on their own to fully enjoy the sense of accomplishment. In His weakest moment, Christ couldn't see the reason behind God the Father's methods but still trusted in his plan "father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" was his final act of "faith" in and submission to a bigger purpose. He could have called on angels to deliver him but he gave his life so he could triumph over death in front of the whole world. His resurrection gives the hope necessary for our own triumph over what can seem like a hopeless moment(s) of suffering. It says that "no matter how bad this can get, it ends in triumph over this earthly realm; there is something beyond this that is greater". A bigger purpose that "if we trust in the all powerful love of a cosmic parent, we will be ok. We'll always be able to go back home - where love abounds." All that found it's way into the song "Chop Suey" by accident.

[@MrBearddog]

@@realitywave He wasn't in "heavan" the whole time (according to the scriptures) but also in hell to bring spirits out of "endless" torment. Call it what you will but millions and millions of people find "salvation" in the philosophy of Christianity and hope it offers. I've found spiritual power in the deepness of the gospel (etymology: good news) and compared to all other theories or philosophies you can't say it's anymore of a fairytale then anything you believe in. Believe what you want but I find hope in an all powerful, all loving creator that sent us into earthly "simulation" to gain cosmic/spiritual power and who's only goal for us is to enjoy life as he does.

[@MrDanieloneill]

Religion is made up baloney, but w/e.

[@d_no_allyn_86]

One of the best songs ever I think and I don't even listen to that Era of music much anymore because I've tried to listen to all the stuff that came before my high school years. But that song will always stick out. So intense but also beautiful. The moment of silence they both share at the end here was incredible.

[@JonnyBeoulve]

agreed

[@mattmoore198]

That whole album is good. I listened to that thing through more times than i could ever hope to count. I think im about to right now. It really is a masterpiece.

[@JahEerie]

This is what passion, talent & hard work looks like. One of the Producer GOATs for sure.

[@SSPspaz]

That is absolutely wild that the most iconic part of Chop Suey was written because Serj picked a Bible off of Rubin’s bookshelf and randomly opened it to the account of Jesus’ crucifixion.

[@adamteller6685]

Anyone else think its hilarious Rick has a hard time remembering the lyrics and song title to the biggest song he ever did for SOAD? It's like he's produced so much greatness his brain can't handle it all. 😂

[@SynthApprentice]

"Have you heard of it?"

[@CarpetSnakes]

probably, but he definitely holds back for a few seconds. he knows immediately.

[@questionsanswers1108]

He said I think… it’s chop suey 😂

[@LordR123]

i thought the same 😂 he really can`t handle all the big productions he ever made

[@thedrummerdude2431]

The amount of albums this guy has worked on, I'm surprised he remembers anything at all

[@iwonderifdrugzarebad]

SOAD is easily one of the best bands ever. I get emotional listening to their stuff. So unique.

[@MrEnsiferum77]

LOL, no

[@iwonderifdrugzarebad]

@@MrEnsiferum77 I’d love to hear your top 5 bands lol

[@MrEnsiferum77]

@@iwonderifdrugzarebad Select five letters and I name u 5 real bands per letter, not bands for liberal kids

[@mlb-yt]

@@MrEnsiferum77 edgelord. Shut up

[@nissrine_hares_1999]

@@MrEnsiferum77 P L B G R , i'm curious

[@ShiiitIDK]

Man I remember blasting the fuhk outta this song getting ready for middle school. 8 in the morning, mom and pops already left for work.......🔊FATHER! father! FATHER! father!

[@BREAKocean]

I remember going to a day to remember concert and chop suey played on the PA while the techs were setting up. The whole crowd sang this part of the song and that moment was more memorable than the actual concert

[@ToxicGreen357]

There's always been something about that track that just hits different. Especially the bridge section they were speaking of. It's fucking tragic and beautiful, and damn near puts tears in your eyes when you hear it. Joe was feeling it too, almost left him speechless lol

[@feargm]

SOAD are such an incredibly special and powerful band.

[@jacktv2109]

Joe Rogan and Rick Ruben watching the chop suey music video is so great haha

[@OnlyThe1Son]

90s early 2000s Rock/alternative rock... ......MAN.. some EPIC tracks from some EPIC bands in that time...

[@XDM10]

If only the music "taste testers" let more bands like this flourish in the 2020s......

[@feckoffthePRvillain]

This song is perfect. 20 years haven't changed it's perfection at all

[@zGJungle]

It's a master piece

[@joshmorth]

Song was originally called "Suicide". The way I see it is that the verses and chorus are the thoughts of the people left behind after someone commits suicide, that's why it's so frenzied. The rush of guilt and shock after a person you care about does it overwhelms you. The bridge, as is discussed in this video, are the thoughts and feelings of the person committing the act just before they do it, hence the calm and desperation of the delivery, and as it fades out, that's the end of the persons life, hoping that everyone just understands why they did it. That's what I think.

[@boomerbob5115]

Damn, haven’t heard this interpretation of it yet but this definitely works and I like it. I guess then you could say the ending of the song connects all that and related it back to jesus dying on the cross?

[@Infamous159]

im amazed you knew it was originally named suicide. You're the only person in my entire life to know that besides me. They named it "chop suey" because they got backlash (from the inside) about it being named suicide which is a very harsh song name and they and others around them knew that it might not be the best to name a song suicide and promote that. So they chopped the name in half to "sui" and called it chop suey after the asian dish (which is just a laugh at the whole conundrum of what they went through to master this and what they are talking about in the song in the first place). SOAD will always be goated with their music. even 20 years later im still deciphering their meanings in their songs

[@iz2043]

We dont care about your idiotic interpretation. Go to sleep mama s boy

[@LazyLabneh]

“We’re rolling Suicide”

[@ayeejaayy5848]

I always get a smile when Joe asks "what was it?" because you know you're about to hear the best song ever.

[@mariokarter13]

"It has nothing to do with the lyrics around it." Angels. Heavenly Father. How does that not fit?

[@LucasCipri]

We all loved so much these songs and when it happens to hear that Rick Rubin is behind all of them all you can say it's...Damn, this man is indeed a genius.

[@pmo2888]

The ending of this video is “so cool.” Mesmerized by that song, memories coming back from that time period I’m sure.

[@AlexGeee]

And hypnotized

[@MrBlick76]

Definitely best song they ever wrote. Practically brings me to tears still to this day. It's that beautiful. Rubin you are legend

[@davidfrckn]

I've been so addictive to this song also in addition to this, the part that Rick mentioned on the podcast, placed deep of my heart, thanks SOAD, forever rock!

[@mrhoffame]

This dude is a musical God. Who else is going to work with the likes of RUN DMC, Slayer, Public Enemy, Johhny Cash, SOAD, etc...and make some of the best music they EVER put out.

[@Vinyl365]

He’s full of shit … the song is about the Bible and left over stories left out of it .. he’s just talking just to talk

[@berdoo7780]

Don’t forget Beastie Boys and Chili Peppers. 🤘🏻Good one though.

[@coderaven1107]

Linkin Park also

[@yousjiveturkey]

Joe is a robot. How can you remain perfectly still while listening to this masterpiece?

[@padurariubogdan721]

because he is jacked

[@iamgalaxies]

@@padurariubogdan721 jacked on sham conspiracies and shitty supplements.

[@junior1388666]

Yeah u can see he doesn't enjoy this kind of music

[@MDomi]

@@junior1388666 Dude, he does!

[@junior1388666]

@@MDomi soad? Nah, he likes jimmi Hendrix and stuff

[@gussetblaster6786]

Oh lord, that track and the entire album came out at such an incredible time in my life. I can't listen to SOAD too much nowadays because i get too emotional and nostalgic.

[@gabrielnunes7407]

I got goosebumps seeing how he was rocking it so hard back and forth while listening to it even tho he probably heard this tune countless times before. Long live the great musical minds.

[@zero1fifty8]

One of the most powerful songs you'll ever hear

[@ForgedInValhalla]

Joe didn’t seem too impressed by the song lol

[@adrianb2232]

“Yeah, yeah, it is so cool”

[@Systemofadownfan805]

He's heard it before lol

[@wt8213]

Metal is hard to acclimate to. Unless you get into it at a young age. As the old saying goes. Can't teach an old dog a new trick. Joe's more of a hair metal feel good music kind of guy. 😆

[@metalheadblues]

It's probably the bands least interesting song in my opinion. I personally hate it. They have alot better songs.

[@wiilover07]

Joe has horrible taste in music lol.

[@hrod4897]

Killer songs, you feel the whole damn thing!!

[@nathanking6065]

This is the most important and beautiful bit of metal music produced in that era. Possibly if all time: That’s how strongly I feel about it. I’ve been listening to it for 22 years and…as I’ve gotten older I’ve found myself in tears every time I hear it and feeling really…I don’t know. It’s just a seriously beautiful moment in time. The delivery. The emotion. The harmonies. The switch in pace. It’s perfect.

[@donsolos]

This song is such a mood. And when you are in that mood it rocks you to its core. Such a special song, I cant say enough good things about it

[@behindthen0thing]

Never thought much of it everybody I knew made fun of it

[@robbledot7290]

@@behindthen0thing who cares

[@Nevermind2004x]

For whatever reason, Joe's reaction at the end got me laughing really hard.

[@dp-bh5fh]

I was looking for this comment

[@mitchellmcminn4928]

Sammme lol

[@nofxdude89]

He’s mentioned on the show previously how he doesn’t really get SOAD. You can hear it in his reaction here lol.

[@elcucuy6515]

He was probably thinking about getting hit with a copyright email and getting demonetized

[@wokeyoda96]

Yeah……Yeah….. it is so cool 🤓

[@PatrickOnPoint]

I saw System of a Down live for the first time at a metal fest in Chicago about 3 years ago. Never felt so excited in my life! Didn’t even realize how much of an influence musically they had on me. Seconds before they step out I told some random people next to me “can’t believe were about to see SOD live!” System finally comes out and I’m just completely swept up in a crowd wave that pulls me forward like 50ft and then throws me back like 250😅 it was insane!

[@czapnation]

Hahaha awesome story

[@halfwaydowntheroad]

They're the best show I saw. Was lucky to catch them back in 2006. It was a holy experience.

[@-47-]

Rip to the guy who was expecting the Stormtroopers of Death

[@memyself898]

I saw them at a small club in 1998 when their self titles album came out. Intense show for sure!! Then I saw them again in 2002 at Ozzfest. Great show but nothing near the intensity of the club smaller venue in '98.

[@memyself898]

@Bear Greendale you ok?

[@TheVeregat]

3:05 best vocal rock harmony I've heard in awhile.

[@yilmazh3127]

SOAD are masters at blending raw and hard metal with beautiful harmony

[@hugomolinaOG]

Your ears are blessed if this song is new to you

[@J4o4s4e4p4h4]

I love that Rick must've heard this song about a hundred times, but he's still vibing with it like every SOAD fan.