Victoria 3... JAPAN! | Ep 2 | Building an Economy From Scratch!

Japan is COMPLETELY different in vibe from anything we've played before. We are isolationists (at least to start!) and must build a complete industry chain from scratch. Do we open our borders? Do we open other people's borders... by force? Let's find out!
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[@Mathmachine]

The fact that Quill had that much support for landed voting and that the Shogunate wasn't against it has to mean that he got a moderate or even a reformer as the Shogunate. In which case I have only one thing I can say: streamer luck

[@andrewgoehring9108]

A shogun with no interest in the shogunate....hmmmm well the new one is.

[@xXSCDTXx]

I would recommend building ports until you get railroads. If you have them on cargo ports they provide a decent amount of infrastructure and they also improve your market access. It means you have to build more shipyards, but that’s also good for your economy anyway, plus with the extra shipyards you can change your production method for fishing and whaling to trawlers which will allow them to be capitalist owned. They’ll provide more money to the investment pool and so you’ll be able to make more farms or really anything after you get off traditionalism. Ports are wonderful.

[@Descolata]

Ports changed to only provide Urbanism, which has a cap on infrastructure it can supply determined by tech. Railroads are the only source of pure infrastructure I believe.

[@xXSCDTXx]

@@Descolata ah, that’s a shame. Maybe I have a mod for ports then.

[@alexsandrosanchesjunior4149]

No ports give infrasctructure

[@martynhill3479]

Interesting, Quill notices when Canada improves relations, but appears to ignore when Russia starts to damage relations. I see a possible war over Sakhalin coming up

[@kaltaron1284]

Wouldn't be a surprise to get into conflict with the Russians over Sakhalin or Manchuria. They can make some decent early game allies though.

[@Shinbu150]

Stock Exchange and anything that gives Market Price Impact (MAPI) is a necessity. MAPI effects your distribution of goods. Low MAPI means pops/buildings needing goods need to buy locally or pay increased prices to ship it from other parts of your empire. In turn, making them less profitable.

[@danieljabonski4705]

Let's assume that country has 10 states. Is it better to have 20 Steel Mills in 1 state? Or 2 Steel Mills in 10 States? Throughput bonus tell you, that first example is much better for economy, but what with MAPI you mentioned? Is better to spread buildings in entire country for price equilibrium or do opposite because we have better throughput? Thanks in advance.

[@Shinbu150]

​@@danieljabonski4705 MAPI is basically a permanent debuff to your economy. It represents the cost of transporting goods across states. Traditionalism has a negative MAPI which is why it is such a bad law. Technology and Laws are ways to increase MAPI. With 100% MAPI your factories can buy goods at cost from other states allowing you to stack throughput bonus of factories in a single state. While you are stuck on Traditionalism it is better to spread out your industry while also looking for production chains. You mentioned Steel mills, you would want to build it in a state that produces both coal and iron so the factory can buy locally. Since there are mines producing that coal/iron you would want a tool factory (set to steel production and if the state produces wood that's another good it could buy locally). Realistically MAPI has the biggest impact if you play an Asian or African country or Russia since they all start with Traditionalism that cripples their economy. If you play a European or a country in the Americas you don't have to worry too much about MAPI. Edit: To find out what your MAPI percent is, click on your flag and go to the Modifiers tab.

[@dravmtp385]

@@danieljabonski4705 it depends on the resources and consumption in each state. You want to build steel mills where theres Iron and coal. You then want to build a bunch of steel consuming industry in the same state. Steel is a pain to balance since mapi was introduced as its pretty low profit, so you want the economy of scale benefits (and probably a steel company too). I've found the opposite is true for shipyards. If you build them tall it's hard to achieve enough local demand for them to fully employ and having 3 or 4 provinces with low stacks results in more ships being built even though you dont gety the % bonus. If you're not sure it's not cheating to experiment using a save. Generalist gaming has some good in depth videos on mapi. Be prepaired for spreadsheets because its not that simple.

[@blockeyking]

I'm very surprised by the variation in this game. From your last campaign of vicious colonialism, to this game where if I listened to a podcast I would have thought you were playing factorio because of the slow build up through the industrial resources! Love these playthrough's keep up the good work!

[@drakelaw4967]

Take a shot every time quill says “bootstrap”. Lol

[@Adyen11234]

The biggest problem with the Japanese economy is definitely manpower. They start with a limited manpower pool, and they pretty much don't accept any other cultures either so you get soft-capped for everything.

[@kaltaron1284]

You can change the laws and there's some juicy Chinese provinces they don't really need as they aren't fully utilizing them close by. ;-)

[@kaltaron1284]

Japan is a great nation to play. Once you've the basics covered and are starting to catch up, things get fun. Not for your neighbours but can't please everyone. It's a really great position where you have to build up without relying on trade but actually have the potential to become really powerful and actually see some progress. One thing I don't understand about the game is that the construction queue is such an integral and important window yet they went with a very old school and clumsy design. They should really have a scroll bar, multiselect (shift and control), drag and drop and context menus. Consumption tax on alcohol is a bit dangerous as it hurts your lower strata. Luxury taxes or services are safer. FYI "Ersatz Food": Ersatz is German for replacement or substitute. It was a name for some of the stuff they (supposedly) ate in the trenches of WWI.

[@TAPSadist]

Slightly triggered by the illegitimate government warning at the end but *hyped* for a new Vic 3 play through! And congrats on sorting out the iron and tools issue

[@xXSCDTXx]

Glad I wasn’t the only one lol. Definitely need to look into getting a better government in order.

[@Genesis8934]

I'm gonna love this series because it'll be a nice tutorial for the game.

[@robertkellerman9526]

Bless your soul for posting this so late, gives me something to listen too on my long drive home! Also have you looked into Terra Invicta? It seems like a game up your alleyway. But it is a long campaign. And it recently got updated

[@danielbudney7825]

He was mentioning it on stream Saturday (just that he should look into it).

[@whilhelmormonde1681]

I just started a new play through myself playing as New Grenada, but this is reminding me of the time I tried to play as those little African Nations by Lake Victoria. Maybe I should try playing as them again?

[@mattbenz99]

The fact that Quill never realized that his government fell apart is the equivalent to a Fallout character with 1 perception lol.

[@avidiptodey6498]

You should consider improving the market access price impact . By changing laws and getting new tech. That will improve the market and economy in general.

[@RasakBlood]

Seems like a great start. Getting rid of serfdom and shogun is already down to 26%

[@garnerireland]

How far ahead have you recorded just out of curiosity. But thanks for putting this up, love Vicky and Japan is an awesome start in the current patch.

[@cyberrb25]

Don't forget that ports are na early way to get infrastructure.

[@shinkicker404]

I really like this game, I just wish I knew how to play it because damn it just confuses me whenever I try to play myself.

[@serraelakha2758]

Yee, victoria time~

[@stoicshield]

Tax on tea... because that always went so well 😅Then again, it's not in the americas, so ... probably fine.

[@danielbudney7825]

To be fair, it wasn't the tax itself, it was the British royalty trying to drain wealth from American landowners (without even giving them a seat in Parliament). As long as he gives his people a place in Government ... wait -- what's "illegitimate" mean?

[@ClayinSWVA]

Did Quill change the tool shop tooling to iron tool?

[@cirkus442]

nice

[@MTGeomancer]

I know you don't respond to comments and generally don't read them, but in the off chance you don't have to be so hyper focused on "every building must have full employment". They will naturally balance themselves if they can. So if you have very little demand for the product, it will happily run just fine at half (or less) capacity and the demand still gets fulfilled. It's not like they don't output anything unless fully staffed, or is less efficient, anything like that. The only time it's a problem is if there *is* high demand for the product, but the producing industry *isn't* hiring, then you have to figure out why.

[@dennischristensen7307]

Build ports for early and cheap infrastructure

[@masterofgreymog5751]

Me screaming at my screen because Quill's government is illegitimate so even 98% success DOESN'T PROGRESS THE LAW and he NEEDS TO REFORM HIS GOVERNMENT

[@masterofgreymog5751]

Quill not reforming his government this whole episode is gonna give me an aneurism.

[@flaviucondor3909]

You should check your government 😊

[@robertbarber5580]

Yeah passing voting laws and then not even glancing at your government even after the election is certainly a choice.

[@NWJ22]

I had the French force me to open my market to free trade within 10 years, made it a simple process to gain trade ha

[@g4m3r222]

make universities fast to research faster

[@avidiptodey6498]

Noice

[@danielbudney7825]

Comment comment. Comment. Also, I noticed your frustration with combat in Manor Lords, but I think a lot of that is the vast amount you have to learn about the Economy side of the game. You're complaining about how hard it is to use Militia, but you'll have a Retinue (permanent soldiers) when you set up your castle, and you'll also be able to hire Mercenaries to fight. The Militia is really for defending your settlement, and dealing with bandits in the first two years.

[@alexisdespland4939]

the game is wrong shogun japan already had a large bankning industry probabky the only one other then the ottomans and ma russia and maybe india in asuia.

[@edick5231]

Loving this series! Nice to see a new way to play the game