Video Game Genres That Don't Exist Anymore

[@ersatz_cats]

You left out the literal granddaddy of antiquated video game genres: text-only RPGs.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

There's a follow-up video out now, and I'm planning for another. So you never know... :)

[@bloopahVIII]

>Get ye flask "You can't get ye flask!"

[@terminateshere]

It's one of those genres where most of us know why they're hardly seen any more (advancement of tech, even by the 1990s, killed them as a commercial venture). But yes, some of us still miss them. Maybe they've been out of sight for so long that many gamers never even knew of their existence.

[@antonionotbanderas9775]

Many of these dead genres, including Text Adventures and Roguelikes were traditionally indie, with brief seasons in the mainstream, and survive in present day thanks to indie developers. Roguelikes Shattered Pixel Dungeon and the Binding of Isaac series come to mind.

[@EnterpriseC14]

Slap an Anime girl into it and you got a Visual Novel

[@hankworx]

nice vid, but just wanted to add that the indie point-and-click scene is blossoming and full of incredible titles

[@programmerpromax]

I think the video title had been chosen on purpose to introduce curiosity and trigger old school gamers 😅. I’m pretty sure most of these genres are still well and alive but most being developed by indie devs.

[@LeftHandedGuitarist]

Was going to say the same thing, point and clicks have been flourishing this past decade and some absolute classics of the genre have come out!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I agree! But like I said initially, if I was to include indies, this video would never be made, cause they cover all (and create tons of new) genres. :)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yes, and many of these games are super fun! :) I have close to 3000 games between Steam and GOG alone, and as you can imagine, over 2000 of these are indies. But I've intentionally did not include them, as if I would, then no genre would ever end up in this video, cause they keep all of them alive. On a much smaller budget, but as fun as of the classics were.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

My point exactly. :)

[@shackle_ton]

Everyone in the comments missed the literal first minute of the video where he says that none of these genres are "dead" in the literal sense, but in the zeitgeist sense, they very much are.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

It’s fine though, I’m used to people skipping the intros. It’s the Internet after all, and I have hardly any control of what people do. I mean, that last video I’ve released on Sunday, I was convinced that people would find fun to watch, as I had tons of fun working on it, but it seems that it was not the case, as no one cares for gaming “what if” scenarios. :)

[@AlainPaulikevitch]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames checkout the following retro games for originality: jones in the fast lane reunion lost vikings lemmings (had to be in the list despite being famous) lights of altair (not so retro and not that original but still different)

[@MastaGambit]

Joke's on you, I literally don't care what his excuse is. Clickbait video title is clickbait, and OP is a f-- *shot*

[@GlawiousAldredMarci]

The problem is, most of them aren't even more rare than back in the day. Just no one talks about them because only a rare few plays them. Just like back in the day lol Though in those times there were a lot less games so people could actually find rare ones. Nowadays? Not so much :/

[@AlainPaulikevitch]

@@GlawiousAldredMarci I don't think the topic was game rarity, the way I understood it he was mainly focused on types of games that are not part of the current meta anymore. The old days were full of innovations and game-play mixes that do not exist anymore (for valid reasons, but I guess the message was that it is too bad that this variety is no more), everybody goes for the same few engines and types of game-plays/genres that sell.

[@freakystyle1996]

I think RTS are not dead, even though no new ones are coming out. It is just that late 90s - early 00s ones were so good that they're still relevant. Age of Empires and Age of Mythology are still getting new remasterizations and DLCs, while Warcraft, Starcraft and Comand and Conquer still hold up really well to this day. i think it is just that, by its very nature, graphics do not impact the gameplay as much as other genres, so the games are basically immortal

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I didn't meant dead as in non-existent. More like as not getting any new triple A games. There are still indies dropping all the time, an occasional bigger game, and all time classics are all alive and kicking. But it's far cry from what it was mid 90s to 00s.

[@TheAoalec14]

I think RTS are like the chess of the video game world. Games like age of empires Warcraft 3 n StarCraft will forever have a timeless nature to them

[@KugleeKuglee]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames Very niche for this big market now. People more like less complex games nowadays. + last Homeworld failed - different developer with bad choices......

[@zarroth]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames triple A games have been awful for 15+ years now in general. No one in their right mind would trust the modern AAA companies to make ANYTHING.

[@palamecianrider7385]

Honestly feel that with the end of Westwood Studios is when it all started to end.

[@chrisjags]

Japan still releases 1st person dungeon crawlers with semi-regularity. No idea on their sales, but they must do okay enough to keep 'em coming.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Probably a difference in market. Just like how point'n'clock adventures and adjacent genres are still quite successful in Germany.

[@timmyturner327]

Funny. As a Twitch user I've found dungeon crawlers being played by members of precisely two types of people thus far: Japanese and German.

[@Noidonteatbabiesstopasking]

Etrian Odyssey

[@zahylon5993]

Shoutout to Mary Skelter!

[@ct2xperience749]

Etrian odyssey

[@magonus195]

I remember what killed RTS games for me was simply everything going online. They were fun when they had a good campaign and i could play against friends. But playing against sweaters who read wikis and had multiple monitors just made me not care. There's no discovery in such games any more. There's just build breakdowns and unemployed nolifers.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Ha ha ha :) That may be one of the reasons...

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Matchmaking also hit them hard. It used to be the case with FPS games that you just join a server, play with random strangers, perhaps find someone who is fun, so you exchange ICQ numbers and look for another time ti play together. But in most cases you'd just enjoying the flow, having fun, doing the thing, then leave. Now pretty much every game uses matchmaking. You get a skill rating, join a quere, the system tries to find players with a similar rating, then you play with/against them. Depending on how you do, it will change your rating. Some still have community-hosted servers, but that is becoming exceedingly rare. Everything has to be quick and competitive nowadays. If you sign up for a match, your team expects you to fight for victory at all cost. Can't just join a group of random people, who met each other at random as well, and just do what seems fun and interesting to you. Everything has to be balanced nowadays. Can't just play with random people of random skill levels. oh no, everyone needs to be even. Communities also have shifted. You don't have msn group chats or forums anymore, now everything is social media. And if a game interests you, you better be on the 50 discord servers of the biggest clans and content creators and lfg groups. RTS games work perfectly fine online, but not exclusively.

[@timoschofer2035]

​@@HappyBeezerStudioswhen u play a competitive game it is simply no fun if teams are unbalanced. There must be some balancing to some degree.

[@dtm2741]

​@@HappyBeezerStudiosman you hit the nail on the head about the community part, on paper, discord is amazing convenience, but for the longterm it has destroyed gaming communities beyond recognition. i fucking hate it.

[@SirMasi]

Same here. Once a game has a "right" way to play (but it involves hours of research and planning) it stops feeling like a game and more like homework 😢.

[@tsiefhtes]

Point and click games are a staple of computer game sections in box stores like Walmart. They're always sold as bargain games around 10 or $12 but new games are being made and sold here consistently. It seems to be a quiet but consistent niche of the market that survives on the fact that point and click studios do not need a large studios to produce their content.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

You know that that last sentence actually explains a lot...

[@wareforcoin5780]

I keep getting them for free from Amazon, so I _know_ they're still being made. I'm playing them.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Besides things like Grim Tales, there is also Deponia. One of them is a series with amazing reception, the other is more of a meme outside of it's core audience (just like how farming sim is a joke outside it's core audience)

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

@@HappyBeezerStudios I played Gibbous: A Cthulhu Adventure a few months ago. It's pretty good, the animations are 90s cartoon style.

[@georgexanthopoulos3003]

@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y Thanks a bunch for the recommendation! I'm always on the hunt for under the radar (or not), solid adventure/puzzle games.

[@bobpeters61]

As a grumpy old man, I was put off of games when most of them could be beaten with enough practice. In my day, any arcade game would just keep getting faster and more furious until the human player could no longer keep up with the computer. The high score list were seen as superhuman by those of us with less than a roll of quarters to blow at once.

[@rorychivers8769]

Yeah well us young people are all smart enough to figure out that they were just designed like that in order to take all your money

[@CodSlap]

@@rorychivers8769Lootboxes, anyone?

[@RebrandSoon0000]

@@rorychivers8769 Much like lootboxes/card packs/skins today?

[@KaitouKaiju]

And now many of those games have been beaten beyond the programmed limits

[@Jimitrious]

Something a person with very little gaming experience would say.

[@Videomaster21XX]

The on rail shooter death really gets to me. You have no idea what I'd give for a House of the Dead like game in VR. I don't care if I'm not moving and the VR avatar just moves by themselves. Feeling like I'm actually IN the house shooting these things would be freaking awesome with the arcade shooting gameplay.

[@halmatyak]

probably not exactly what youre looking for but give until dawn rush of blood a try if you havent already

[@oaksaint4458]

I want VR Umbrella Chronicles

[@Videomaster21XX]

@@halmatyak Yeah it was my first VR game for the PSVR. (Along with RE7) It's a shame we can't get more of that. If you are also interested in such games in VR. Try 'Drone Striker' it's an on rail shooter VR game where you fight robots, AND you can use the PSVR AIM controller with it!

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

On rail shooters were very similar to corridor shooters like Half Life, Serious Sam, and Doom 3. Think the evolution from RE1-3&0 to RE4. Scripted tunnel and corridor sections or big objective based set pieces like Half Life 2, but always resuming down a linear experience. Open world games like Far Cry and Crysis, multi-player-first games like Call of Duty and Battlefield, team objective games like Overwatch and Apex Legends, and Battle Royale games like PUBG and Fortnite - all but obliterated both corridor shooters and rail shooters.

[@Videomaster21XX]

@@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli I have no idea what you are trying to say, or why you felt the need to tell me this.

[@GnrMilligan]

The problem with many Movie Tie ins was that it was too often Ocean that got the licence, and we all knew whatever the plot of the movie, Ocean were going to make it a platformer!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

This is (sadly) so on point. xD

[@catholiccontriversy]

"It was going to be a platformer," you say that like it's a bad thing, platformers are my favorite genre, especially 3D platformers of the 5th and 6th generation.

[@GnrMilligan]

@@catholiccontriversy And that is a fair point. Personally I'm not a fan of platformers, so my opinion is biased. But I realise if you like platformers then I'm sure Ocean could be a favourite company.

[@colonel1003]

more like LJN WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@catholiccontriversy They were also extremely popular at the time.

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

I always appreciated Guru Larry's take on video game tie-ins and on-rails shooters. That those together basically means "we blew all the money on the license and couldn't afford to make a video game" lol

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Ha ha ha :)

[@AnthonyFlack]

Frankie Goes To Hollywood on the C64 being a notable exception - surely still the most unlikely license to have produced an actual classic.

[@sanyaskillpro]

People have mentioned space sims but I'd say any true sim's in general. Spaceship, plane, attack helicopter, giant mech. The ones where you had to read the manual or stare at they keybinds screen in order to take off. I mean the reason is obvious, if you don't want your steam reviews bombarded with "i press wasd and it doesnt fly!" you can't sell these games now.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Good point. I honestly don't remember when I saw last serious simulation. Well, maybe other than the Microsoft Flight Simulator. But it's just one game.

[@Tom-jw7ii]

For airplanes at least, those still exist. The two big ones are DCS World and the IL-2 Sturmovik series. In many ways, they’re even more complicated and realistic than older sims, especially DCS, where you need a manual not just to take off, but even to start the engine.

[@SkiBumMSP]

I was about to post something like this myself. You really don't see combat air sims anymore. There are some niche titles, but not anywhere near like what I used to see back in the day. One particular one I really remember that basically had a huge fanbase that grew up was Falcon 4.0. Look at how many flight sticks that were available at the time when these types of games were popular. I still got my Thrustmaster flight stick, which at the time, cost nearly $100. I still have copy of LHX Attack Chopper. Even Microsoft had a Combat Flight Simulator at one point. However, I did a quick Google search on Falcon 4.0, and it turns out that there is still a fanbase making mods and upgrades to this day!

[@fosyay1780]

Sims are super common these days. Computer repair, power washing, farming, and many others that I don't want to play because they remind me of work 😅

[@KaitouKaiju]

​@@fosyay1780Most of them aren't true sims. They're very arcadey or just joke games. Euro truck sim, elite dangerous, assetto corsa are true sims

[@TheSnoopyclone]

3D doesn’t work for all games. But driving games perfectly makes a proper transition to 3d.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

It does, but like I said, I began noticing a dusk of top down racers with the emergence of 3D. It may be a coincidence.

[@foxymetroid]

That's because much of the genre's 2d games were already trying to look 3d-ish. If anything, they worked in 3d because 3d made their jobs easier.

[@AgagaSnsns]

​​@@foxymetroid True. If there is a genre that needed 3D it was racing games. In fact, F-Zero is the best racer of the 2D generation because it's basically a 2.5D game. EDIT: It is the best because it's an excellent game, what I meant is that none of its pure 2D competitors had a chance against it, no matter how polished, and I played the best of them at the time, on multiple systems.

[@lunarul]

Make Way is a top down racing game that is 3D and captures the same feeling that Micro Machines did. but it's not an AA or AAA game

[@Janshevik]

It could be also that evolving (and more affordable) 3D was also downfall for RTS games. While rts games work just fine in 3D, they do not gain that much more than other competition genres. 3D finally allowed other genres to shine, putting those not requiring more in the shadow. But this is still a lesser factor for RTS downfall.

[@IsaacKuo]

The reason FMV games popped up so quickly was that they had been working on VHS tape games, but the technology just wasn't up to snuff (and never would be). CD based FMV technology gave them an alternative that was at least workable. But that's why early FMV titles have a more linear structure than laser disc games (laser discs could seek to any track quickly, but VHS tapes could mostly just play linearly).

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Laser discs were not as popular here, so I've very limited experience with them. So limited in fact, that you could count how many times I've played a laser disc game using only one invisible hand. So yeah, I never had. xD

[@Ezyasnos]

The screenshots also looked good on their covers and in magazines, and demo setups gave also that wow factor. I fell for it as well when I bought me a copy of Angle Devoid. (same goes for pre rendered graphics, though I did love "Dark Earth")

[@IsaacKuo]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames Laser Disc games were generally not very good, but we never really saw their full potential. Dragon's Lair popularized a genre which was basically an endless string of "quick time events". There were also a small number of video games that overlaid a traditional video game pixel display over laserdisc video (M.A.C.H.3 may be the most popular of these). The bottom line is that if you missed out on laserdisc games ... you're not missing much.

[@douglasdea637]

I remember a buddy and I played some of the Clue laser disk game. We didn't go far but it was interesting. Wish we had done more.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

You suddenly had insane 650 MB of storage, at a time when that vastly exceeded the size of your hard drive. So they put videos on there. And we not only got FMVs at the time, but also prerendered backgrounds and cutscenes. Until we got to the point where the 3D engines offered enough to render that in real time. And by the time DVDs gained popularity, with their menus and chapter select, there was basically no interest in interactive videos left.

[@lorddarthvader6289]

Crazy to think that these genres were common and made by big companies. Its like how splitscreen is sadly becoming less common now. Everyone says multiplayer is better, but multiplayer isn't an option if you have someone come over.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

That last sentence hits the nail on the head. Nearly every game has a multiplayer component these days, be it some kind of a versus challenge or co-op, but most of them, like at least 90% of them cannot be played when you're actually "with" friends. They gotta leave and go home first. It's a bit ridiculous. And I'm not saying that local multiplayer should replace the online, that would be stupid, I'm saying that it would be nice if it was there too. To supplement the online component.

[@sytrostormlord3275]

that's why i also loved Homm series for their "hotseat" mode :)

[@neilbiggs1353]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames I miss multiplayers like Kung Fu Chaos on the XBox which was just ridiculous enough that you could enjoy being bad. Not to mention ones like Gauntlet... the Crash party mode from Burnout 3 (which was fantastic sitting around with mates to play)... Even oddities like Fiendish Freddie's Big Top Of Fun on the Amiga... I think this is one reason I dropped out of most video gaming and took up board games, I prefer the social aspect when having a multiplayer

[@slickrcbd9543]

Sure it is from the game developer's POV. You just need a second computer (like your previous computer) and then you just need to purchase a second license of the game. Win for them as that means twice the sales. Lose for the consumer who has to pay twice as much.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@neilbiggs1353 Makes sense. And while I still play video games, as I love 'em, I do play board/tabletop games weekly with a small group of friends on Firdays or Saturdays every week without fail. :)

[@megatronjenkins2473]

I'm old enough to remember these genres, even played a bunch of these games. Good video, man.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thank you! :)

[@AllenGarvin]

Uh, text adventures?? They ruled the early 80s, adding graphics in the late 80s and then finally devolving into point-and-click with Legend Entertainment in the early 90s. I'd also add space flight combat games, starting with arcade classics classics like Star Wars or the Atari 400/800 Star Raiders, reaching a hey-day with Wing Commander or Tie Fighter in the early 90s, fading away entirely by 95 or so. Those 2, plus dungeon crawlers as you covered, were my faves. Plus rogue-likes, but those are now in the middle of a decade-long renaissance.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Rogue-likes also eveolved into rogue-lites which seem to be the new X/rogue-lite mix of genres, where X stands for any "big" traditional genre. :)

[@deathybrs]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames Yeah, but "rogue-lites" are almost always an abuse of the name, and bear almost no resemblance to Rogue or Hack whatsoever.

[@IamRobotMonkey]

I had a very active imagination as a kid. Humbug, Jacaranda Jim and Castle Adventure are some of my all time favourites.

[@nothingelse1520]

Last space game I bought was FreeSpace 2

[@Robert_Shmigelsky]

@@IamRobotMonkey As kids, we had an older neighbour who introduced my brother and I to Legend of the Red Dragon, which was on the old bulletin boards. From what I remember the whole point of the game was to try to sleep with the barmaid, but you almost always just got slapped. My brother ended up getting banned because he told the mod, who ended up being the bbs owner, to shut the f--- up lol.

[@eziomorte3380]

Adventure games (point and click) died because it was genre that couldnt sell GPUs, its as simple as that. As an older gamer, I will NEVER forget the 80s and 90s. Gabriel Knight 1 is still in my top3 of all time. My favorite game ever is Planescape Torment and you could argue with so little fighting, it was also an adventure game rather than a full-blown RPG like Baldurs Gate or Icewind Dale.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I don't mind games with no fighting. In fact, I've completed Pillars of Eternity 2 and Fallout 2 (yes, I know, like 20+ years are between them) without killing the last boss. I've talked my way though the final encounter. And yes, out of both Kill Bill movies (yep, I'm that random, that I decided to jump from games to movies), I preferred the one in which there were close to no fights, and mostly talking. :)

[@nexarath]

Except they didn't die and there are still a lot of really good games in this genre, you just have to dig a bit deeper. Stasis: Bone Totem, Norco, and Beyond a Steel Sky are just three off the top of my head in the last few years.

[@djstock02]

They died because the attention span of today's youth is about 1 Nano second.But they didn't really die. It's just niche now. Same with rts. And I hope these old games survive. They don't need to be made better. Just preserve their genius. 80/90s were a golden are for a lot of mind blowing games. Inc Jrpgs.

[@1r0zz]

They died because could not evolve their gameplay into modern system. There is a reason why sherlock holmes still goes strong?

[@1r0zz]

@@djstock02 Rts died because you do not need a exel spreadsheet of key combinations, and gazillion of sub abilities and casting… Also not everything was supposed to be starcraft…

[@kimmolaine8069]

Carmageddon was nice. The idea was to score points by committing vehicular manslaughter with an on display lunatic avatar in the top left of the screen.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

So... fun, right? ;)

[@chaos.corner]

My son is still playing it after he discovered it in my steam library.

[@headrockbeats]

I still play it every now and then. Pure fun.

[@nekroneko]

Would've been absolutely inspired by the Stalone movie Death Race

[@chpsilva]

Ahhh, the era of mowing down old grandmas for splatering bonus... At the time you manage to take the Supressor, you're unstoppable.

[@soulextracter]

Buddy platformers are kind of dead. Banjo-Kazooie, Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, etc. Only exception I know of is that Ratchet and Clank are still going. However, that series is a shade of its former self. Another dead genre, that I don't even know the name of, is with games like Burnout 3 Takedown. I guess you could call them demolition games. Burnout just did it with cars, and mixed in racing. Also, top-down shooters, scrolling space shooters. Basically every AA, or AAA title these days are just FPS or 3rd person RPG-like, the same sport game re-released every year, or hyper realistic racing sims.

[@billmore6486]

For 3d platformers we have ideas these days. AA front is ASTRO bot.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Mario Odyssey?

[@MRAIClassroom]

Tons of platformers coming out… Astro bot or whatever it’s called for PlayStation, Mario oddessey, some other cool indie ones on gamepass

[@rmonper]

That's a 7 years old game​@@KaitouKaiju

[@MadsterV]

I'm expecting a swarm of Astro-Bot clones. But yeah, it's not a dominant genre like it once was.

[@mendez704]

Excellent video...but was surprised you didn't include space combat simulators, that made the delights of people like me in the 90s with titles like X-Wing, Tie-Fighter and Wing Commander

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Frontier FTW! That said, I had to limit the video to a nice round number. You know, for the thumbnail, LOL :) Seriously though, you know that I can at some point just release "10 more Video Game Genres That Don't Exist Anymore", and having a few left would make it easier. And if not 10 even, then I'm sure I can find at least another 5. :)

[@harbinger200]

Its interesting how X-Wing and Tie-Fighter one of the games no one managed to recreate. The atmosphere the story telling, the fantastic music with that system that changes theme according to current actions in mission. Its a phenomenon.

[@vassilisxerikos3908]

There is a small but steady supply of such games. SW: Squadrons, X4 foundations, everspace 2 etc and Starfield is essentially Privateer with some extra steps. Niche but not dead.

[@droggelbecher2k127]

because you have lots of active games like Elite and EvE Online with huge communities. and Star Citizen is maybe on the way. Space Combat Sims are alive like always

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@vassilisxerikos3908 I was soooo hyped up for Starfield. I love my space-based games, all the Frontiers, No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous, Freelancer and the likes, so I had my hopes for it. And while the side quests where often really fun, it was really really REALLY disappointing learning that it was a space game without space flight. You just fast travel everywhere, even places you've never been to. Well, mostly these actually. I completed it naturally, but wont be reinstalling it for the DLC.

[@Ninjastyle124]

An actual legitimately dead genre is the dating sim (not visual novels, but fullblown sims with stats, progression and gameplay), at its peak they used to be AAA quality , but abruptly died in the early 2000s and never had a relevant or noteworthy release since then. Not even an indie revival or some niche developer with a cult following. Which is funny because it seems like nearly every Western or Japanese RPG nowadays has dating mechanics thrown in.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Perhaps they were to niche and what we get in other games as an added feature is enough for most? It's just a guess, I've done no research in it.

[@drdca8263]

So, a question: were/are any of those games actually at all useful as “training”, or are they more like, fantasies?

[@chaosgyro]

They're everywhere in the mobile market. Ever heard of Tinder? One of the most popular dating sims of all time.

[@brodriguez11000]

@@chaosgyro Adult market usually.

[@Annie-s5g]

Love Plus came out in 2009 and had subsequent releases into the 2010s with specialized merch like custom Nintendo DS and 3DS units. As far as I know it didn't sell the big 1mil+ of TokiMemo 1, but saying there were "no relevant releases" or "cult hits" for dating sims after the early 2000s just feels incorrect here

[@forthrightgambitia1032]

Platformers aren't dead, but they are niche now, which is weird as growing up they were the killer apps of many of the consoles of the day.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Things change, don't they? ;)

[@Funtasters]

Point 'n Click Adventure, RTS, Dungeon Crawlers, and On-Rail Shooters are my favorite game genres, especially for Point 'n Click Adventure. Because games with the Point 'n Click Adventure genre usually bring deep and good stories, there are many dialogue choices that can usually affect the course of the game or the ending, etc. 👍

[@randomslacker9204]

If you can find a copy of Riven: sequel to Myst. It was a point n click 1st person puzzle game. The puzzles range from simple to challenging and as you solve them you unlock the story. Multiple endings you don't die but you can fail and trap yourself and the developers were nice enough to reward you with an ending instead of torturing you in an endless purgatory! If you do play it be prepared with an pen and paper the game doesn't save the clues you will find. I wrote down many notes just to complete it. Very very enjoyable experience.

[@Funtasters]

@randomslacker9204 hey thanks for the recommendation and suggestion, maybe i'll try to play it sometime! 🙏😄

[@ChristusVincitX319]

Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders 👽

[@Arkanovik]

It's sad that so many genres dissapeared or become niche, I reallly loved Carmageddon 2, HOTD and Death Rally. Btw, pretty well made video and straight to the point!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thanks! I was aiming for that. I like my lists, you know, to catalogue all the most important games for particular systems over the years, but these "other" videos are a nice change of pace for me. :)

[@OceanTheFreak]

RTS Games are still out their. Beyond all reason is one of my favorites as of late. As for Vehicular combat games. GRIP Combat Racing is also one of my all time favorite games.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I'm gonna check those out, thanks!

[@mysteriousbob]

Grip is a racing game with weapons, not a car combat game, completely different genre.

[@OceanTheFreak]

@@mysteriousbob Who said anything about "car combat games?"

[@atp19xx]

@@mysteriousbob I bite: GRIP has the word "combat" in its name. AND it's pretty much modern version of old combat racer called Rollcage.

[@matthewdaley4403]

Also Zerospace and Stormgate

[@foxdavion6865]

Activision executives in the early 90s: "Affordable 3D is decades away, invest everything into FMV, FMV is the future of video games, we'll make millions!" Activision developers in the early 90s: "No, the future is in 3D games and that future is now" One guy made Mechwarrior 2's game engine in his spare time. Rest is history.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

LOL :)

[@foxdavion6865]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames Not even joking, Activision executives wanted MW2 to be a FMV game, all those cutscene videos in it are the FMV stuff the devs decided to keep in the game from the ongoing original FMV project when the engine developer convinced everyone to use his 3D engine for the game.

[@novaguy7]

tactical military shooters. games where you commanded a small squad. kinda morphed into multiplayer only games.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

And while I get why, multiplayer is apparently "a superior" experience. But sometimes you just wanna have fun on your own and at your own pace...

[@ffs-forfunsake6474]

Star wars games under Lucas were an event on their own. People still remember republic commando and mod empire at war to this day.

[@brodriguez11000]

Black One, Blood Brothers.

[@fizzmaister]

What's the racing game at 1:55? I've been trying to remember that game for years.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

The title's in the top right. It's Ignition. It's also hella fun! :)

[@fizzmaister]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames I can't believe I didn't see that. I was too transfixed by finally seeing this game again.

Ignition, and it was a hell of fun. Loved that game.

[@KaaR-r1x]

Literally saaaaaaaaame

[@Kilthan2050]

First person dungeon crawlers are one of my favorite genres. Legend of Grimlock 1 and 2, and Star Crawler are a blast. And Heroes of a Broken Land is an awesome combo of a dungeon crawler and Heroes of Might and Magic.

[@harbinger200]

Might and Magic 3, 4-5 (World of Xeen) and 6 (Mandate of Heaven) are to me one of the best game in existence. Especially 6.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Heroes of a Broken Land... ? I've not heard about it, and you make it sound really fun. Thanks!

[@thewhyzer]

I have 88 hours in Heroes of a Broken Land, and only 54/82 achievements unlocked. Based on the missed achievements, I never even encountered many of the bosses, or "recovered the hearts" of worlds of size other than Normal.

[@Kilthan2050]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames its great, tip: you can try to disarm traps by clicking them, awarding exp.

[@AllenGarvin]

I don't know any of those you mention but Might & Magic, ,which I played from 2 thru 6. Wizardry, Bard's Tale, all the AD&D SSI games: I used to have dozens of pages of graph-paper maps of every one of them! Auto-mapping and then 3D killed that genre.

[@ryanchapman3995]

Surprised you didn't mention rhythm games or subgenres of them like the instrument playing or dancing games (Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Dance Dance Revolution, PaRappa the Rapper, etc.).

[@yukko_parra]

oh rhythm games are making a resurgence. on the phones they back, in the arcades they back. heck arcades in my area are booming again cuz of rhythm games, with 1am queues somehow but on the pc and console... yeah nah they still be a bit quiet.

[@NotaPizzaGRL]

@@yukko_parra All I want is a game like Stepmania again. Or Audiosurf.

[@SquishyPop-k9m]

Tbf, they aren't even close to dead. The community who plays them is massive and is making new content all the time. Taiko, Clone Hero, Fortnite Festival. The games themselves are good too, but the problem is it's basically gatekept to people who already own guitar hero/rock band gear and/or an electronic drum kit. PDP tried to make a new controller when fortnite did fortnite festival, and it failed epicly because it had a mushy strum bar and an ugly design.

[@joshabrogena1240]

@@NotaPizzaGRL osumania 4k?

[@beefusdoesstuff5194]

I never see breakout/Arkanoid games anymore, but they were all over the internet. I loved Ricochet the most.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

True! Gotta add it to my list.

[@the-engneer]

There's so indie breakout games that are badass like Strikey Sister's

[@brodriguez11000]

Breakout: recharged. Brick Breaker,

[@flariz4824]

Okay but its criminal you didn’t include any footage of Vigilante 8 when its like the face of Vehicular Combat.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

My bad xD

[@Wallace007-q1x]

I was gunna say this but then I saw your comment 😅

[@noirstan]

Great video idea! If you ever plan on doing part 2, Lunar Lander should definitely make it in. It was a genre that peaked in the 60s in mainframe computers and almost faded out before video games became available to a wider public, had it not been Atari that released Lunar Lander in the arcade. And maybe Zelda clones, based on the first Zelda on the NES/Famicom? There used to be tons, now barely confined to indie scene once every while. And your favorite game genre, text parser adventure games!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Holy smokes! YES! There were so many of these. I had like 5 at least on my C64... Lunar Landers that is. And yeah, I am thinking about a follow up, and yeah, I have few genres for them prepared already. Well, now one more, cause I didn't though of LLs before. Text parsers, sadly, I did remember about. xD

[@DeathMetalDerf]

Any time anyone tries to release one of these today, like the car combat games, it just never works out as well as I would have hoped. It always just feels like something is missing, and it's probably just because I'm not a teenager anymore that something feels off about the game.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

It may be our age, or it may be us used to more robust, deeper mechanics. Still, I wouldn't mind one fun, literally mindless car combat game to take my mind off things. Cause while I may have grown up problems now, I still like to be able to just shut off and relax. xD

[@Krysnha]

It may be, that now we just cant do good games, now all games have to have all mecanics, all games have to be focus in micreotransactions, and selling game passes, no longer is about fun, i play some mobile car combat and they are fun but like mobile have, they have all stuff that take away fun making it a grind, if you make a car combat gamw where you progress unlocking stuff as play, with nice gameplay it will progress, and it will be fun. I was watching a video about these, and is not getting old, is because we live the best of gaming, we see variety we see fun, now is not about fun, is about money, and the message

[@maxstrong4700]

Car combat my favorite sega genesis game

[@magonus195]

@@DeathMetalDerf It's because you're not physically next to a real friend.

[@harbinger200]

I now have fun playing Carmageddon DOS games as much as had playing them when they came out. Nope its not age, its new games lack atmosphere and personality. Its just like Twisted Metal games.

[@robertmruczek7587]

One of the oldest "genres" that you do not see at all nowadays is the text-based adventure. Little or no graphics, and amusingly if you did not guess the precise wording of the response in some cases you were pretty much stuck.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yep, I have it on my shortlist for the follow-up video :)

[@darthbiker2311]

They're not being produced as much by major studios but that doesn't mean they no longer exist. Sure, sports games and movie tie-ins are very dated by default and lose relevance quickly. But even then, the backlash against modern titles and gaming trends mean that people are learning to play or going back to or sticking to the old games they can still play solo and offline.

[@Eirath]

I'd argue that point and click adventures and dungeon crawlers aren't dead genres at all. Very marginalised, but we still get titles especially in the indie scene or as mobile games. I'd even argue that the classic Point and Click adventures are seeing somewhat of a resurgence at the moment. Remasters of classics, new games etc. Still marginalised, but not dead.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Good point. But that's also why I stated in the intro that indie game are excluded from the equation, as with them in the mix, no genre would ever be dead. :)

[@Eirath]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames True, but yeah there's still some small life signs in the mainstream

[@marcinflisak317]

For example Gobliins 6 is in the making, it is a direct sequel to Gobliins 2 :D

[@ultrajesper2]

​@@OldAndNewVideoGames What about the Edna and Harvey series?

[@pascoett]

Games like North & South, Pirates, Defender of the Crown, Lords of the Rising Sun, etc. combined strategy with action, even arcade action. These were easy and fun.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yes! They were pretty amazing!

[@jackwilliam4436]

Bring back the Deception style of games (where you lay traps and guide your character as she lures enemies into her traps, while avoiding their attacks) and make them finally available on PC !

[@roundytoon]

One of the most recent dead genres is probably Toys to life What am I supposed to do with all these skylanders and amiibos now

[@helloofthebeach]

An important bit of trivia about the top down racer is that, while the genre itself has departed, it has a massive legacy in the form of Grand Theft Auto. The first GTA was intended to be a top down racer that involved police trying to stop the race, but the developers found that players were having more fun messing with the cops than actually racing. The devs leaned into it and launched one of the most successful game franchises of all time.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

It is an interesting titbit. Thanks! :)

[@conradsmight2220]

This is a pretty fun video. You have a very soothing voice, and i e joy video about older titles 10/10

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thank you AND thank you! :)

[@animaegray]

Some more: 6DOF shooters like Descent, as well as space combat shooters and traders. The former are virtually extinct, never really becoming popular. The latter fare a little bit better, but it's a far cry from the 90s where this style of game was very popular with a ton of titles released. 3rd person shooters that were made for keyboard + mouse controls, like Max Payne, Rune, Heretic II, American McGee's Alice. Only a handful of these were made. Somehow this distinction goes below everyone's radar, even though it's pretty clear these games feel, control, and are designed fairly differently from console TPS. Puzzle and old school arcade style games, arguably. They still exist, but not nearly in the same capacity. Lode Runner, Digger, Supaplex, Sokoban, The Incredible Machine, countless Arkanoid style games... Pinball games. These used to be quite popular, remember? City builders and any kind of building/tycoon game. A quintessential PC genre that spawned classics like Caesar (and other Impressions titles), SimCity, Theme Hospital (speaking of Bullfrog, how can we forget Dungeon Keeper, a hybrid builder/manager/rts). Turned based strategy. Again, they still exist, but remember that in the 90s, within a decade, we got games like XCOM, Heroes of Might and Magic, Panzer General, Civilization, Jagged Alliance, Master of Magic, Master of Orion 1 and 2, and so on. It isn't nearly the same nowadays, is it?

[@yukko_parra]

as a cities skylines fan, city builders are definitely still popular. now if only cities skylines 2 were a genuinely good...

[@brodriguez11000]

6DOF aka vertigo simulator.

[@Flasa]

Nice job with the video, I legit liked it. My only constructive criticism is to lower the volume of the game footage on the background. My neurodivergent brain (as well as others’, I imagine) struggles to filter that noise out, making it hard to focus on what you’re saying. Because of that, I had to listen to most parts of the video twice or more to get what you’re saying. Apart from that, you’re doing great! 🙂

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thanks! :) I actually try to keep it low, so this time I must've missed something. I'll try to put more attention on it before I render the videos. I think the issue here may be that I listen to it through headphones when editing, and they kinda do a decent job at making the voice stand out, but in an open space environment, from speaker or a TV, the game background sounds may actually be too loud. Thanks for the hint! :)

[@Flasa]

@ Perhaps, that might make sense. But live and learn, right? I just wanted to encourage you because, despite this minor issue, I enjoyed watching the video. Keep it up! 🙂

[@iapetusmccool]

When you mentioned vehicular combat games, I suddenly remembered Quake Rally. Which makes me wonder - does "incredibly moddable FPS game" count as a genre, and do they still exist?

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Garry's Mod?

[@chpsilva]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames Source engine is indirectly derivated from Quake. But yeah, most modern games don't even allow you to run a private server anymore, let alone be easy to mod. Modding games are a dying breed.

[@mmestari]

Most FPS games released today are mods. And 3D games in general.

[@glazdarklee1683]

Because I am the right age to recall playing all of these, I really enjoyed this. Plus, your voice is very soothing.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thank you kind sir, your comment made my day! :)

[@Crushonius]

turn based jrpgs is one that i truly miss nowadays it was a great experience to just enjoy the story and characters without too much stress and you could almost always play them one handed if you tweaked the controls a bit i found them really relaxing as you could lie down on the couch and enjoy this interactive movie

[@JemyM]

Great video. I decided to play every realtime blobber until Legend of Grimrock (almost done). There were about 50 of them, with only 3-4 of those released between 2000-2012... And even if Legend of Grimrock was great, it was an indie game. I think the only non-realtime blobber from recent years that touches AAA would be Bard's Tale IV.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Ah, Bard's Tale IV, I actually started playing it, but then had to stop for some reason (life? work? don't remember...), but would love to come back when I get a chance. I loved the older ones. EDIT: Thank you! I should've really started with that. :)

[@OrangeHarrisonRB3]

The key reason we stopped getting awful licensed games after the Sixth Generation wasn't because of shifting trends, it's because the mobile game market was invented.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

OMG! That is so spot on actually... Mobile kinda took over all the shovelware licensed games... There's so many of them~! xD

[@beemoh]

Dungeon Crawlers are still reasonably alive- Atlus ported the previously DS/3DS-centric Etrian Oddysey series to modern platforms only last year, and we've also has Zanki Zero from Spike Chunsoft in 2019 and Saviour of Sapphire Wings in 2021 from Experience. Japan seems to have taken to the genre quite happily.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Having recently been to Japan, all I can say is whatever they decide on, be it banking on dungeon crawlers or otherwise, I’m for it. They sure know something most of us don’t, and many of our western societies would benefit from following their example.

[@AaronTheGeek]

I'd say Dungeon Crawlers are alive and well, we call them MMORPGs now, that and with the most recent success of Baldur's Gate 3 I am sure they are gonna start masking a traditional comeback as well.

[@PeruvianPotato]

It's weird because some long-term dungeon crawler franchises such as Madō Monogatari have since abandoned their traditional format whilst more niche franchises will take a crack at it. I specifically remember seeing an anime called KonoSuba take a crack at it for whatever reason a few years ago.

[@MadsterV]

Fun fact: Track & Field, the famed joystick unaliver, in the arcade used two buttons and no stick. Mashing these heavy-duty buttons alternately and quickly was much more appropriate than wiggling a stick connected to fragile switches. Home controllers were not adequate for that kind of game and still aren't. It's more of a shooting arcade concept anyway, like a punching bag game. On Rail shooters have made a bit of a comeback in VR though. It works really well in there, with no additional hardware or setup required.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I was actually hoping to find some of these older games in arcades in Japan when I went in October, but sadly I didn't. xD

[@MadsterV]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames oh! I was there in April and also had a hard time finding any. Did you check out Tokyo Joypolis? they have a nice theme parkey thing called Sega Carnival games. On the other side of the huge building there's a retro arcade with a lot of electromechanical games, very nice. It's the mall with the giant Gundam. You can lose the whole day in there, it's huge and has lots to do. I also went to a Namco thing in Akihabara but of all floors, only one of them was actual arcade games (and not even all of it), the rest were rythm/dance, photo booths and there's a single gundam game that has taken over most arcades, very very popular. Got to see a middle aged dude rocking two-players-at-once Ikaruga, which was awesome.

[@Fastwinstondoom]

Isn't it weird that RTS is a struggling genre while turn based strategy is (arguably) bigger than ever? That being said, I think that since Age of Empires 4 only came out 3 years ago, and was made by the least indie dev of them all, that the genre might not qualify for your list ;)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Correct. But that's one game only. And there's maybe two more, and the rest is just indies. Which I love, I'd like to make that clear, but covering them would make this entire video moot. Also, I am mostly a turn-based gamer, so yeah, the last decade or so, I've been having a lot of fun! :D

[@Qba86]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames With 2xA games there may be some examples, like Iron Harvest, but even that one came out over 4 years ago (boy, does time fly) The last non-AoE 3xA RTS that I recall was Dragon Commander, and that was a mix-genre game. There are still some turn-base strategy/real-time tactics titles, like Total War series, but that's a different beast entirely.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@Qba86 Yup, and Total War somehow manages to keep its offshoot of real time action well and kicking. :) Even if each next game has entirely different and often fantastic theme. :)

[@kubabonga]

ohh my goodd!!! i totally forgot about micro machines for DOS!! i got my first PC on 1997, it was a 486 with VGA monitor and WIn 3.1 and that was my first color game!!!

[@alperkaanbilir1776]

Shmups are essentially extinct, people make them but they don't have much financial value. Space sims are also out. Some people make new space sims but those who play them are old nostalgic farts like me.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I agree, they may appear in the future video. :)

[@Sabbychu]

Touhou

[@LomanLawson]

Space Sims aren't out. they just can't compete with Starsector. the peak has been reached, why try more? :D but yes, more space sims would be nice.

[@headrockbeats]

@@LomanLawson Starsector isn't really a simulator; what the OP is referring to is actual simulators, where you're in the cockpit, flying around like a space plane. Wing Commander and X-Wing/TIE Fighter are the best examples, as is Freelancer. They do still make them these days (Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen), but there's an ever-increasing focus on the open world experience and non-combat aspects, which the older games often completely ignored. I recommend Everspace as a fun recent game in this genre, with the second one being better in almost every way.

[@yukko_parra]

@@Sabbychu that's defo indie and basically one of a tiny handful (also like when 1% of touhou fans play the games, and 50% of shmup fans are touhou fans... )

[@Stupidtalkspointlessthoughts]

6:15 thanks for that dose of nostalgia. I was having a rough day and that made me smile

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Really? Well then, I'm glad that I could help, even if unintentionally. :)

[@legacy9171]

The Serf City/Settlers video at the end took me way back man

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yup, one of the GOATs!

[@rasmusolesen5307]

I wish On-Rails Shooters would return now that we have good VR. Not a day goes by where i don't consider tracking down the owners of Space Gun and ask how much money they need to do a remastered version for VR 😁

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I agree. We actually do have better lightguns now than the lightguns were and VR is perfect for on-rail games. :) I've played few recently in the arcades in Japan, but it was all mostly old titles.

[@HeadPats4Peter]

There's rail shooters, but w/o VR: Ex-Zodiac(early access. both trailers on steam seem pretty cool) ASURA THE STRIKER(not yet released. Steam page says planned release date 2024? it's december already...) Mirage Feathers Rogue Flight (the 1st 20s of the ~1min trailer on steam is pretty hype) Rogue Flight might be the closest to a in-person feeling since at the 10s mark(just a very short moment, it shows being inside the ship you pilot. I have never played the game, so no idea how good it is. *flies away

[@HeadPats4Peter]

I just realised the on-rails shooters are more "Time Crisis" type or Virtua Cop or Crypt Killer

[@AntipaladinPedigri]

3:56 Bro, just recently Crimson Diamond was released. A homage to Colonel's Bequest and Sierra games. Made in their classic pixel style.

[@TeaAndFloppyDisks]

@@AntipaladinPedigri It is, but it's an indie game. :) Mostly made by Julia Minamata. It's a nice game indeed. A real gem, one might say. :D

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Still, an indie. :)

[@AntipaladinPedigri]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames True, but I felt ot necessary to add it, because "this genre is dead" is a swooping assertion and can be misleading if one forgets the "no indie" disclaimer at the beginning (now if you repeated it at the end and emphasized it, it might have stuck). It's like lamenting the death of european jrpgs as if they all died when the japanese jrpgs are doing fine :)

[@amsbeats841]

​@@AntipaladinPedigri Regardless of the Crimson Diamond... It is still pretty fair to say Adventure Games are dead. It was once the largest game genre on the planet. Now it's not in the top 50... Games like those released nowadays are super indie and verrry rarely catch mainstream attention or sell anything close to what other genres do. Its just a sad reality.

[@r0llntider]

Rewatch the first minute of the video. He states games are released but not big budget anymore.

[@thomasdevlin5825]

Superhero open world games are a genera that just kinda faded away and I didn't notice until just recently, specifically ones where mobility is a major focus. The genera isn't exactly *dead* since most spider man games meet the same criteria and they are still being released, but I can't really think of any standalone titles that released recently. Infamous and prototype are the two games specifically that come to mind

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

You're right, other than the big names, these are really not there anymore. At least not in a freeflow arcade action adventure genre.

[@Potidaon]

There's the Spider-Mans, Suicide Squad, and we've got Wolverine and Wonder Woman in the future. There's also the Blade and X-Men games down the line, but we don't know if they will be open world or not. Marvel 1943 won't be true open world, but will have large open hubs.

[@brodriguez11000]

God games like Black and White.

[@rohitchaoji]

@@brodriguez11000 Those were rather niche and rare in the first place. But I did enjoy playing those.

[@PhantasyStarLover]

Then I feel the need to mention "Contradiction: Spot the Liar!", which I found and played with great satisfaction a couple of years ago. It's an FMV murder mystery adventure by legendary video game composer Tim Follin. The acting and overall quality is quite good in this, and it made me want to find more great FMV games, if there are any. It shows that with proper direction and professional actors, it can be quite an interesting type of game.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thanks for that! I'll definitely look it up. :)

[@BlackburnBigdragon]

You can add Hardcore simulations to this list too. Remember when we had simulations like 688i Hunterkiller, Sub Command, and Dangerous Waters that simulated pretty much every important station in a submarine, naval ship, or naval aircraft? Remember games like Falcon 4.0 that you in the cockpit of a fighter jet and pretty much every button and switch in that cockpit worked like it would in real life. In Sub Command, 688i Hunterkiller, and Dangerous Waters, you had to learn how to use each of those stations in the platform you were on. You had to learn how to read sonar, how to do target motion analysis, etc... The manual for Dangerous Waters was over 500 pages, and once you learned everything, the game was amazing!!! You just don't see ultra-hardcore simulations like that, or especially ones that require reading a manual, any more.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

It could be argued back then, that when you mastered the games, you would be able to operate or at least find yourself in a given simulated vehicle in real-life at least with a semi-competency. :)

[@TheIllerX]

Another dead genre not mentioned here which I really miss is the shoot-em-up. Sure, there are mobile games but not any AAA or AA games for PC. This is really a shame since all new technology could really do them justice. But to play them properly you need a classic digital joystick and those are not even sold today (except some rare bad variants).

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

True, there are very few new and not indie shoot'em ups. That said, I've played my fair share of classics last month in Japan in the arcade I was frequenting near daily. It was really fun! :)

[@yukko_parra]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames wait there are non-indie shmups on release?

[@DJL3G3ND]

8:25 there was actually Riders Republic, released in recent years, which has all sorts of vehicles, primarily mountain bikes and skis/skates, and its a pretty decent immersive game 14:42 I actually played time crisis again recently in a nearby arcade, its hella fun honestly. I really wish lightguns and even pedals were still being built to work for specific modern games, because mouse and keyboard just isnt quite the same. theres the vr controllers, but I dont think I would enjoy vr for very long, just being able to fire the toy gun at the screen is immersive enough

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yep, there was Riders Republic released. :) It''s one game though. There's been 2-3 more in the last decade, but that's still just a few over how many years? I'm not saying that they're bad, cause they're mainly really good. But they're not enough to keep the genre alive and kicking. VR is pretty good if you "can take it". I'm saying that cause while a buddy of mine can literally play for hours, when I get to that 30-45 minutes mark, all sort of things happen in my head. I begin to feel a bit dizzy, and a tad sick, and also a little confused. xD

[@DJL3G3ND]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames oh yeah good point, I was just thinking since its a triple a release but I cant think of any others actually. looks like therell be a skate 4 at some point though? and yeah vr can be a bit too much to handle, but also a different experience to regular games altogether

[@ErinfromDenver]

I would add cinematic platformers (Another World, Prince of a Persia) to this list.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Good point. Thanks!

[@namco003]

Good coverage. Lately i've found myself playing old DOS and C64 games mainly in my browser, because i'm lazy, but I never realized how SLOW some of these games are. I can't believe I had the patience for them. Especially the POINT and CLICK titles, like Police Quest and Leisure Suit Larry, and especially WILLY BEAMISH on SEGA CD.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yeah, it's an interesting situation we find ourselves as grown ups. When we were kids we had no money for games, yet all the time in the World to play them. Now we have money, but very little free time to spent on them. :)

[@DavidBrocekArt]

As a point and click developer and enthusiast, I can assure you our community is niche, but very strong!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Glad to hear that! :)

[@MrCrasyhead]

I see so many ppl saying the same thing. Pay attention to what he is saying in the first 37 sec. He does not count Indie games as no genre is dead if does are included

[@A.Person...Maybe...]

At what point do we stop calling indies indies though? Both Broken Sword and Monkey Island released games the past couple of years, and I wouldn't call either an indie studio any more

[@A.Person...Maybe...]

@BlueMondayGames thimbleweed! Totally forgot about that one, I love that game!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Well, there's literally thousands of indies releasing year by year, and they cover and create new genres. So yeah, you're right, I couldn't include them, as this video would have never been made if I did. :)

[@A.Person...Maybe...]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames Your videos are great 👍 ignore people complaining

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@A.Person...Maybe... Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you saying it! :)

[@gameplay_factory]

RTS games always exists and keep getting better and better I think you are missing something about that.

[@VEC7ORlt]

Nothing released today is as good or grand as CC, SC, WC.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I might, but I've not seen any notable AA or AAA releases in years. Other than the few failed attempts from Microsoft.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yup

[@A.Person...Maybe...]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames age of empires 4 was released in 2019.....

[@negrusz]

old style base building rts?

[@MrStrikecentral]

1) Top Down Racers: They only existed because of the limitations of the hardware of the time. With 3D graphics and more powerful processors able of actually rendering a track that you can see more than 10 feet in front of you as you zoom by at breakneck speeds, this genre became obsolete. It's a very fun niche genre, sure, but it's just simply outdated. 2) FMV Adventure: See above point. Second verse, same as the first! 3) Point-&-Click Adventure: If done right, these are immensely satisfying, genuine works of art, and genius (see There Is No Game). Unfortunately, I feel a vast majority of gamers pass on them because they feel the genre is rather boring, being so heavily narrative driven. The problem is there's usually very little actually going on while you wait for the characters to deliver their lines. 4) Real Time Strategy: Halo Wars is the most recent RTS I can think of off the top of my head. I think the biggest contributor to this genre dying off is actually because Starcraft is pretty much perfection in terms of gameplay. Why try to reinvent the wheel when you already have the perfect iteration of what the genre can offer? There's a reason it's still played religiously to this day. Any RTS made today would be forever compared to Starcraft and would pretty much need to reinvent the genre to be even mildly successful. Almost no company would accept that risk. 5) Competitive Sports: The closest you'll find to these nowadays are specifically fitness titles and the Mario & Sonic Olympic Games on Nintendo consoles. I think these fell out of favor because they're relatively boring compared to everything else on the market. Having Mario and Sonic characters in them make them much less boring. Do I want to struggle with game mechanics to make someone jump really far or swim really fast or would I rather blowup buildings and hunt aliens with cool weapons and gadgets? 6) Extreme Sports: Lightning in a bottle, oversaturated market like you mentioned. Unfortunately, lightning never strikes twice (well, almost never), and these simply fell out of popularity, just like music games such as Guitar Hero. 7) Vehicular Combat: This one pisses me off the most. Fighting games are popular, racing games are popular. How could combining those ideas fail? This confuses the hell out of me. What happened? 8) First Person Dungeon Crawlers: Another relic of times of limited hardware (see point 1 again). These have been supplanted with full 3D, isometric or free-range camera adventure games like the Diablo and Balder's Gate franchises. Tech and gamers have simply evolved beyond these for the most part. 9) Movie Tie-Ins: Notorious for having abysmal gameplay, mechanics, graphics and plot that barely resembles the source material because of one major factor: TIME! It takes time to make AAA games nowadays, many years in fact. This genre (more of a type of product than an actual genre in and of themselves, to be honest) never works because their success hinges on releasing around the same time as the movie they're based on. This means the game needs to be completed (laugh) well before the movie launches in theaters so it can be pumped out to consumers. And so everything from gameplay, mechanics and graphics suffer from the deadline to get it done, and the story in the game may be based on an early rough draft of the movie script that could have been changed a million times over by the time it comes out. These changes aren't done in games nearly as easily. Today's Movie Tie-Ins are based on existing blockbuster franchises (Ghostbusters) or much more obscure movies that have gained cult-classic status (Killer Klowns from Outer Space). These franchises are already well established, so nothing's changing last minute, people know what to expect from them and their popularity guarantees there will be an audience to buy in. 10) On-Rail Shooters: These exist pretty much only in arcades. Very few ever make it to home markets because of the technical requirements to make them playable. You need to either have some device for reading the input of the guns, or some way for the game itself to read if you hit the target or not, like in Duck Hunt. A classic arcade staple that doesn't translate well to home. VR tech could change this completely if some developers were brave enough, though. Here's an idea for another video: Games that were a genre in themself. I'm talking Steel Battalion being a Realistic Mech Driver game (because of the controller). I'm going to shut up now.

[@bulbx1273]

Go play Crossout it's free.

[@DudeWatIsThis]

It must be noted that RTS games are dead because: 1. Starcraft/Warcraft perfected it, yes, BUT ALSO... 2. Everything is multiplayer/competitive today. There were many RTS games which I've only played single player (great campaign and/or chill gameplay and/or unbalanced but fun mechanics), but since everything is multiplayer today, they have no chance at a comeback. Looking forward to a time when everyone realizes how angry and spiteful online multiplayer gaming is, so we can play more games like these again.

[@Zontar82]

wish I could downvote you more than once. none of the thigns you said make a lick of sense

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Online gaming can truly be terrible, I agree. Which is odd, cause it's a medium that also has potential to be the best thing ever. Still, it all depends who you stumble upon, I suppose. :)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

WOW! A long comment and a lot of points worth considering. Also, thanks for the idea, it's pretty good actually! :)

[@ms.pirate]

I have to keep remembering that I'm not young anymore. Some of these genre's you mentioned I know have came out "recently", but these "recently" games are like games are from 2009 or 2016 that I am thinking of. Which are now old games.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I consider everything 10+ years old as retro. It's a personal choice, and one I'm sure many wont agree, but with the number of games coming out each week, I'm convinced that whether we like it or not, it's a correct assumption.

[@johnblue5399]

An enjoyable video with many classic nostalgia inducing games. I do love trawling through the comments section for great modern recommendations, and for salty takes from people who misinterpret the concept! Would absolutely watch a part two.

[@Andres33AU]

I was going to say arena shooters (Unreal Tournament, Quake III) but with the indie scene bringing back so called "Boomer shooters" I feel like there probably are some multiplayer ones out there, and not just singleplayer.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I bet there are :)

[@CRBarchager]

15:50 I loved the Settlers!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Same :) Played it first on the Amiga.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

Widelands is a good open source game similar to Settlers 2.

[@nicod19]

I recommend you as a vehicle combat game: "Gas Guzzlers Extreme". Another genere that "don't exist anymore" (since WildGuns) is "Cabal style" games.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

GGE rings a bell. I gotta check it out, cause the name is too familiar to not be able to recall it. Thanks! :)

[@WadeLife]

Man Time Crisis took sooooo many quarters or tokens of mine... Great upload

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thank you! :) And yeah, I know how addictive a good arcade game can be. I've just came back from Japan 6 weeks ago, and I gotta tell you I've spent so much money in the arcades there, it's just stupid. But I loved it! :)

[@jimnewl]

This genre is kind of included in the competitive sports category, but it used to be so popular it was almost a genre of its own: Golf games. There used to be several competing brands (Links, Jack Nicklaus, etc.) and they released almost yearly, like Madden does today. There were also spin-offs, like minigolf, Sid Meier's SimGolf, and whatnot, some of which (mostly minigolf games) are still made from time to time as indies. But the full, licensed-course golf games which once were everywhere seem to have completely disappeared.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

You're right, there are only two brands now.

[@TeaAndFloppyDisks]

I like the idea of this video, so I'll give it a bacon for ingenuity. 🥓 I often hear about point-and-click adventure gmes being kind of dead, but the indie releases and occasional big company ones too are definitely ensuring its survival. :) And the genre deserves to live on. I would say that the extreme sports were a thing of their time, just like the sk8er (yes, spelled that way XD) aesthetic and related music. Now the sports games are dominated by football, according to my observations at the office recreation room. I would add another genre that is quite dead, except for very obscure and fanmade games: text adventures. And I think those too have their charm. :)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thanks! I explicitly mentioned I'm ignoring indies cause with them taken into account, no genre is or ever will be dead. :) That said, I don't recall any modern point'n'clickers by "big" companies. I can name quite a few cinematic ones, but they don't rely on pointing and clicking as much. That said, I play on gamepad a lot, so this may be a mistake on my end here... xD Oh yeah, text adventures... R.I.P. for quite a while now. xD

[@Danferplus]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames a new Monkey Island came out a couple of years ago...

[@TeaAndFloppyDisks]

@OldAndNewVideoGames Yup, I noticed that you excluded indie games and I agree. They are good at keeping the genre alive, but not enough to ensure its mainstreamity. There you go, a brand new invented word. :) Hmm, it's probably the gamepad, since with a mouse, both the pointing and the clicking are still there. :D

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@TeaAndFloppyDisks I have to admit, that if the game allows for use of gamepad, I'm more than likely to use it.

[@TeaAndFloppyDisks]

​@@OldAndNewVideoGames Whatever you feel most comfortable with. I'm more used to keyboard and mouse. I played Formula 1 with a gamepad and no, turning it does not make the car steer in that direction. XD

[@hungrysparrow]

Kickboxing sports games. There were K1 games for PS1 and 2 but now the closest thing you get (outside of some obscure indie games) are MMA games. My favourite retro game in this genre was Panza Kick Boxing.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

YES! Panza Kick Boxing was the best! In my VERY old video, where I talk about the best Amiga fighting games, I actually picked it as number one, ahead all the Mortal Kombats, Shadow and Street Fighters and the likes. :) It's not a game for everyone, that's clear, as there are no explosive specials, fireballs, nothing of the sort, but from a technical point of view, it's just the best.

[@erics8192]

flight sims for pc have largely died out aside from DCS, I miss microprose :(

[@chainsawapple]

I do not regret all those quarters that went into the time crisis machine. Nice video

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thanks! I've played it in Japan 2 months ago in the arcade. They're still there AND thriving :)

[@Takayama-sama]

One of the first video games I ever played a Point'n'Click Adventure game called Putt-Putt Goes to the Moon. I used to play it over and over and over again, even though it always ended the exact same way. I recently found the game again on Steam and I'm honestly not sure how I played it so much. I finished the entire thing in less than half a hour and I was stopping to smell the nostalgia. Still it will always hold a special place in my heart.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

There were actually a few of these Putt Putt games, and it’s really not a surprise you played it a lot as a kid, as it was made for kids. :)

[@senditall152]

You mean RTS devolved into MOBAs? Yes I agree.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Ha ha ha :)

[@eigengrau1]

Aw good old Full Throttle ..

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yep, one could say great even :)

[@eigengrau1]

Indeed, an absolute GEM, and the remaster is def. over the top!

[@kyleolson8977]

The top down racers (and isometric racers) were solutions to a problem - the need for a track larger than the screen without having 3D. The problem is that this has never been a great way to race at high speeds. The internet killed the need for this kind of racer, although split screen play like Mario Kart. The FMV adventure game no longer needs to exist. We have modern games which share much of the gameplay, and if we need the performances we have 3D mo-cap. Point and Click is a retro genre, usually indie, but it is an active one. The Steam "Point & Click" tag will require some digging since people don't know the difference between a "clicker" and a "point & click" game, and there are lots of "hidden object" games. Many of the games are LucasArts retro inspired, although there are some other things like the very strange looking "Death of the Reprobate" released last week, the third game in a trilogy. RTS is much hotter this year than it has been. Not Dead. Lots of C&C clones on the indie side, and much bigger games like Age of Mythology Retold, Homeworld III, Dune Spice Wars, Empire of the Ants, with more even before getting into genres that are a step away from the old RTS. What you have as "Competitive Sports Games" is part of a larger genre of "Multi-Event games" and these mostly died out in the early 1990s as a major genre for a while. The gameplay was not much more than a flash game for any event, so flash games took over some of this space. Remnants of the multi-game idea survived in a couple ways. One is the "Mario Party" style game, which is still around, and another is the "Wario Ware" games which were mini-min games and that genre is mostly gone. There was one last heyday of the actual multi-event games on all the platforms from 2005 into the early 2010s when the Wii was released. The motion-control multi-event game, like Wii Sports continued on through disastrous Kinect with the Xbox One, and since then it has been very quiet except for demo-ware level releases. The extreme sports game is more interesting. I would blame Guitar Hero, Motion Controls, & Grand Theft Auto. Guitar Hero & Motion controls led to Tony Hawk's Ride and Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (peripherals and motion controls being the trend). Guitar Hero was also responsible for taking away Neversoft from the Tony Hawk games. On the other end of the scale, GTA led companies to take games which shouldn't have been open world, like THPS and SSX, and make them into something far less streamlined. These less streamlined games seem good on a glance, but don't have the quick play quality. The odd part is the lack of a revival. You can ignore THPS5; that was dumped onto the market as the rights died. It's THPS 1+2. If THPS 1+2 had sold better we would have had THPS3 and more revivals. THPS 1+2 is a great game but it couldn't hit the marks it needed. I'm not sure why an old school SSX hasn't been tried as well. That one seems easy. The most dead genre on the list. Vehicular Combat has some flaws, most notably "car controls" which are even worse than "tank controls", particularly for fighting. It was better before the FPS genre was fleshed out and before consoles had dual sticks. FPS games generally accomplish the same thing better. When you have the option, you can see that the car combat gameplay loop isn't great. In order to do Vehicle combat you need some gameplay that makes the limitation of "car controls" justified or add enhancements to get around that problem. I would expect to see more "racing games with combat", but even those are limited. I don't like to disagree this much, but you're really off here: The Dungeon Crawler is the opposite of dead. There are so many ways to crawl dungeon being released it is hard to keep up. Do you want a Party RPG with some dungeons? Get a Larian game, or any Obsidians Pillars type games, or Owlcat's RPGs. Even the "First person 90 degree dungeon crawler" isn't dead. They even remastered Wizardry in May, and there's the retro SKALD or Legends of Amberland 1&2 There's more than I could count if we allow Rogue-Like elements. I'm not sure what you expect here - there are retro games, modern games. Sometimes they're in evolved form. Sometimes the theme has changed up. But Party Based RPGs and Dungeon RPGs are all around. Movie Tie in as a AAA genre are, for now, mostly dead. Not 100% (see the largely forgotten Ubisoft Avatar game from the past year or so). The reason - budget and timing. Movie tie in games will only come as tie-ins for the property for the time being

[@ObiKKa]

Yeah, I agree. I think the title of the video is too extreme or unrealistic compared to actual facts. At least half of the genres in the list are very active in the AA and indie development market with a few AAA releases per year. The creator should reword it to something like game genres that became dormant; or too risky / expensive to do. Or old genres that's now mostly indie only.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Well, the graphics are so sophisticated now, that they border on photo-realistic and soon enough we will forget about FMV altogether. And I agree that there are plenty point'n'click and RTS indies. That said, I intentionally omitted indies as if they were taken into consideration, then no genre will ever die. Just because of the sheer of releases from small devs. :) He he... I have double and triple A music/rhythm games as one of the genres for the follow-up video at some point. :) As for first person perspective Dungeon Crawlers I consider them dead in the mainstream, there are but a few and spread in years of their releases. As for other, as in not first person, I didn't had them in mind when talking about Dungeon Crawlers. Perhaps wrongly, as I should've specified more, but I'm just explaining my methodology. And as for Obsidian and Larian games, I have and completed them all, and loved most of them to bits. Same goes for both Pathfinders! All these rocked and RPG, especially turn-based third-person/top-down RPG is in its Renaissance now.

[@artemis1993]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames "And I agree that there are plenty point'n'click and RTS indies. That said, I intentionally omitted indies as if they were taken into consideration, then no genre will ever die. Just because of the sheer of releases from small devs. :)" But that's the thing. No genre of gaming really died, except for FMV (there was one indie horror game a few years back that remarkably used FMV, but i'm not willing to rule out FMV's extinction because of one game). So the title of your video is a bit misleading. A lot of the genres you listed really only died on the AAA market.

[@IamZeus1100]

Rail shooters have definitely seen a rise in popularity again with VR

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

And that's where they would do best!

[@loserinasuit7880]

1:40 I think what killed the top down racer is the fact 3rd person racers at their furthest zoom out become an angled top down and players are more engaged when seeing what's in front of them in a more intimate way. What killed these games tends to be player engagement. Not that players dont have the attention span but rather immersion is the deal breaker.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

You may be right, you know.

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Point and clicks dead with TellTale.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

:/

[@MildlyBurntBread]

Mostly agree with this but the rts part is really out there. Even if you want to ignore the smaller indie titles, clash of clans and bloons are massive and pikmin 4 was one of the biggest releases of last year

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Fair point! :)

[@zahylon5993]

If we think about it; Vehicular Combat spawned two genres: Mecha games and War Sim games. You can't get more "Vehicular Combat" than War Thunder, but if you want to be flashy, you go for a Mecha game like Armored Core (or the incoming Mecha Break)

[@keynanmartinez]

I don't think these are dead more like sleeping. But i have faith the Video Game Indie Industry will revive these with enough love and care.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Oh, I am a huge believer on video gaming industry getting better in the future! Sure, we may need to drop microtransactions or have them morphed into something less obtrusive, but I do believe that it will emerge better and stronger eventually.

[@keynanmartinez]

@OldAndNewVideoGames Honestly I'm trying to become a game designer and hopefully make a fun modern day Rail Shooter.

[@jeffhousen8968]

RTS is not dead, it somehow got renamed to X4 And it has been quite busy.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Ha ha ha :)

[@deondewit3175]

you mentioned top-down games yet it was a top downer that became one of the greatest games ever made: Grand Theft Auto. They havn't disapeared just evolved. But I hear what you saying, thanks for the nostalgic trip.

[@peka__]

Wow, so many commentators just skipped the introduction of this video, eh? Or they forgot about it? In any case, it's a point for discussions about attention span.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Ha ha ha :) I feel that the video chapters may be a reason for it.

[@cyrollan]

wow this really takes me back. i LOVE Tex Murphy Under a Killing Moon!!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yep, great series!

[@michaely6665]

Remember how many F-16 jet sims came out in 1995-2005. There were many tank sims around then too. Only the submarine sim releases are still fairly consistent.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yup, we hardly get any these days, but we get those online only shooters pretending to be simulations though. xD

[@stillbuyvhs]

1:03 Earlier. One of the first Atari 2600 games was a top-down racer, Indy 500. And that was probably an adaption of Atari's arcade game, Indy 800.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

:)

[@A.Person...Maybe...]

For movie tie-ins, Robocop is a pretty big one recently released. You also have all the lord of the rings games

[@CuriousChronicles82275]

Robocop is a first person genre that still blooms until today but for a movie tie in, it's far and few between.

[@A.Person...Maybe...]

@CuriousChronicles82275 well if you are gonna keep moving goalposts every time someone comes up with an example or two, feel free. It's my bad, it must have been based on that fantastic RoboCop book I read as a child I guess

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yep, Robocop is an exception. It's also an FPS, and these are still very popular, and probably will be forever. :)

[@A.Person...Maybe...]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames there's also a LOT of very crappy ones, mostly by marvel and DC. But I barely count those as games, let alone anything else. More like micro transaction stores

[@davekendall5273]

To me Robocop isn't really the same thing as the movie tie-ins that were so common back in 8/16 bit era. That kind of movie tie-in was released around the same time the movie was in the cinema, created to cash in on its success there and then, rather than being made decades later by fans of the IP. I wouldn't really consider Alien Isolation a movie tie-in either, not like e.g. the 1986 Aliens game released the same year as the movie. The problem with those old tie-ins is that they were almost always rushed to market, sometimes only seeing weeks of development, and even the decent ones often reused existing game code with new graphics. Obviously not an issue for something like Robocop.

[@poppers7317]

10:48 don't forget Quarantine!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Good point!

[@negrusz]

yep. i liked that game also. lol i was 8 back then so of course the parents did not know about it :)

[@spriteanon]

You're in no way wrong, but I wanted to note how it's quite funny that your first example was topdown racing games, and just a month after this video was uploaded, Project Zomboid, an isometric (so close to top down) game that's pretty popular, and where cars are controlled in the same way as top-down racing games released a new update with a map expansion that includes a race track.