You left out the literal granddaddy of antiquated video game genres: text-only RPGs.
@OldAndNewVideoGames21 күн бұрын
There's a follow-up video out now, and I'm planning for another. So you never know... :)
@bloopahVIII20 күн бұрын
>Get ye flask "You can't get ye flask!"
@terminateshere20 күн бұрын
It's one of those genres where most of us know why they're hardly seen any more (advancement of tech, even by the 1990s, killed them as a commercial venture). But yes, some of us still miss them. Maybe they've been out of sight for so long that many gamers never even knew of their existence.
@antonionotbanderas977518 күн бұрын
Many of these dead genres, including Text Adventures and Roguelikes were traditionally indie, with brief seasons in the mainstream, and survive in present day thanks to indie developers. Roguelikes Shattered Pixel Dungeon and the Binding of Isaac series come to mind.
@EnterpriseC1416 күн бұрын
Slap an Anime girl into it and you got a Visual Novel
@hankworxАй бұрын
nice vid, but just wanted to add that the indie point-and-click scene is blossoming and full of incredible titles
@programmerpromaxАй бұрын
I think the video title had been chosen on purpose to introduce curiosity and trigger old school gamers 😅. I’m pretty sure most of these genres are still well and alive but most being developed by indie devs.
@LeftHandedGuitaristАй бұрын
Was going to say the same thing, point and clicks have been flourishing this past decade and some absolute classics of the genre have come out!
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
I agree! But like I said initially, if I was to include indies, this video would never be made, cause they cover all (and create tons of new) genres. :)
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Yes, and many of these games are super fun! :) I have close to 3000 games between Steam and GOG alone, and as you can imagine, over 2000 of these are indies. But I've intentionally did not include them, as if I would, then no genre would ever end up in this video, cause they keep all of them alive. On a much smaller budget, but as fun as of the classics were.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
My point exactly. :)
@shackle_ton27 күн бұрын
Everyone in the comments missed the literal first minute of the video where he says that none of these genres are "dead" in the literal sense, but in the zeitgeist sense, they very much are.
@OldAndNewVideoGames27 күн бұрын
It’s fine though, I’m used to people skipping the intros. It’s the Internet after all, and I have hardly any control of what people do. I mean, that last video I’ve released on Sunday, I was convinced that people would find fun to watch, as I had tons of fun working on it, but it seems that it was not the case, as no one cares for gaming “what if” scenarios. :)
@AlainPaulikevitch17 күн бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames checkout the following retro games for originality: jones in the fast lane reunion lost vikings lemmings (had to be in the list despite being famous) lights of altair (not so retro and not that original but still different)
@MastaGambit15 күн бұрын
Joke's on you, I literally don't care what his excuse is. Clickbait video title is clickbait, and OP is a f-- *shot*
@GlawiousAldredMarci14 күн бұрын
The problem is, most of them aren't even more rare than back in the day. Just no one talks about them because only a rare few plays them. Just like back in the day lol Though in those times there were a lot less games so people could actually find rare ones. Nowadays? Not so much :/
@AlainPaulikevitch14 күн бұрын
@@GlawiousAldredMarci I don't think the topic was game rarity, the way I understood it he was mainly focused on types of games that are not part of the current meta anymore. The old days were full of innovations and game-play mixes that do not exist anymore (for valid reasons, but I guess the message was that it is too bad that this variety is no more), everybody goes for the same few engines and types of game-plays/genres that sell.
@freakystyle199628 күн бұрын
I think RTS are not dead, even though no new ones are coming out. It is just that late 90s - early 00s ones were so good that they're still relevant. Age of Empires and Age of Mythology are still getting new remasterizations and DLCs, while Warcraft, Starcraft and Comand and Conquer still hold up really well to this day. i think it is just that, by its very nature, graphics do not impact the gameplay as much as other genres, so the games are basically immortal
@OldAndNewVideoGames28 күн бұрын
I didn't meant dead as in non-existent. More like as not getting any new triple A games. There are still indies dropping all the time, an occasional bigger game, and all time classics are all alive and kicking. But it's far cry from what it was mid 90s to 00s.
@TheAoalec1426 күн бұрын
I think RTS are like the chess of the video game world. Games like age of empires Warcraft 3 n StarCraft will forever have a timeless nature to them
@KugleeKuglee26 күн бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Very niche for this big market now. People more like less complex games nowadays. + last Homeworld failed - different developer with bad choices......
@zarroth25 күн бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames triple A games have been awful for 15+ years now in general. No one in their right mind would trust the modern AAA companies to make ANYTHING.
@palamecianrider738525 күн бұрын
Honestly feel that with the end of Westwood Studios is when it all started to end.
@Videomaster21XXАй бұрын
The on rail shooter death really gets to me. You have no idea what I'd give for a House of the Dead like game in VR. I don't care if I'm not moving and the VR avatar just moves by themselves. Feeling like I'm actually IN the house shooting these things would be freaking awesome with the arcade shooting gameplay.
@halmatyak13 күн бұрын
probably not exactly what youre looking for but give until dawn rush of blood a try if you havent already
@oaksaint445812 күн бұрын
I want VR Umbrella Chronicles
@Videomaster21XX11 күн бұрын
@@halmatyak Yeah it was my first VR game for the PSVR. (Along with RE7) It's a shame we can't get more of that. If you are also interested in such games in VR. Try 'Drone Striker' it's an on rail shooter VR game where you fight robots, AND you can use the PSVR AIM controller with it!
@chrisjagsАй бұрын
Japan still releases 1st person dungeon crawlers with semi-regularity. No idea on their sales, but they must do okay enough to keep 'em coming.
@HappyBeezerStudios14 күн бұрын
Probably a difference in market. Just like how point'n'clock adventures and adjacent genres are still quite successful in Germany.
@timmyturner32713 күн бұрын
Funny. As a Twitch user I've found dungeon crawlers being played by members of precisely two types of people thus far: Japanese and German.
@Noidonteatbabiesstopasking8 күн бұрын
Etrian Odyssey
@zahylon599317 сағат бұрын
Shoutout to Mary Skelter!
@ScrambledAndBenedictАй бұрын
I always appreciated Guru Larry's take on video game tie-ins and on-rails shooters. That those together basically means "we blew all the money on the license and couldn't afford to make a video game" lol
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Ha ha ha :)
@AnthonyFlackАй бұрын
Frankie Goes To Hollywood on the C64 being a notable exception - surely still the most unlikely license to have produced an actual classic.
@tsiefhtesАй бұрын
Point and click games are a staple of computer game sections in box stores like Walmart. They're always sold as bargain games around 10 or $12 but new games are being made and sold here consistently. It seems to be a quiet but consistent niche of the market that survives on the fact that point and click studios do not need a large studios to produce their content.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
You know that that last sentence actually explains a lot...
@wareforcoin578022 күн бұрын
I keep getting them for free from Amazon, so I _know_ they're still being made. I'm playing them.
@HappyBeezerStudios14 күн бұрын
Besides things like Grim Tales, there is also Deponia. One of them is a series with amazing reception, the other is more of a meme outside of it's core audience (just like how farming sim is a joke outside it's core audience)
@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y9 күн бұрын
@@HappyBeezerStudios I played Gibbous: A Cthulhu Adventure a few months ago. It's pretty good, the animations are 90s cartoon style.
@sanyaskillproАй бұрын
People have mentioned space sims but I'd say any true sim's in general. Spaceship, plane, attack helicopter, giant mech. The ones where you had to read the manual or stare at they keybinds screen in order to take off. I mean the reason is obvious, if you don't want your steam reviews bombarded with "i press wasd and it doesnt fly!" you can't sell these games now.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Good point. I honestly don't remember when I saw last serious simulation. Well, maybe other than the Microsoft Flight Simulator. But it's just one game.
@Tom-jw7ii28 күн бұрын
For airplanes at least, those still exist. The two big ones are DCS World and the IL-2 Sturmovik series. In many ways, they’re even more complicated and realistic than older sims, especially DCS, where you need a manual not just to take off, but even to start the engine.
@SkiBumMSP27 күн бұрын
I was about to post something like this myself. You really don't see combat air sims anymore. There are some niche titles, but not anywhere near like what I used to see back in the day. One particular one I really remember that basically had a huge fanbase that grew up was Falcon 4.0. Look at how many flight sticks that were available at the time when these types of games were popular. I still got my Thrustmaster flight stick, which at the time, cost nearly $100. I still have copy of LHX Attack Chopper. Even Microsoft had a Combat Flight Simulator at one point. However, I did a quick Google search on Falcon 4.0, and it turns out that there is still a fanbase making mods and upgrades to this day!
@fosyay178019 күн бұрын
Sims are super common these days. Computer repair, power washing, farming, and many others that I don't want to play because they remind me of work 😅
@KaitouKaiju2 күн бұрын
@@fosyay1780Most of them aren't true sims. They're very arcadey or just joke games. Euro truck sim, elite dangerous, assetto corsa are true sims
@bobpeters61Ай бұрын
As a grumpy old man, I was put off of games when most of them could be beaten with enough practice. In my day, any arcade game would just keep getting faster and more furious until the human player could no longer keep up with the computer. The high score list were seen as superhuman by those of us with less than a roll of quarters to blow at once.
@rorychivers876928 күн бұрын
Yeah well us young people are all smart enough to figure out that they were just designed like that in order to take all your money
@CodSlap27 күн бұрын
@@rorychivers8769Lootboxes, anyone?
@RebrandSoon00006 күн бұрын
@@rorychivers8769 Much like lootboxes/card packs/skins today?
@KaitouKaiju2 күн бұрын
And now many of those games have been beaten beyond the programmed limits
@JimCowley-c5cКүн бұрын
Something a person with very little gaming experience would say.
@GnrMilliganАй бұрын
The problem with many Movie Tie ins was that it was too often Ocean that got the licence, and we all knew whatever the plot of the movie, Ocean were going to make it a platformer!
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
This is (sadly) so on point. xD
@catholiccontriversyАй бұрын
"It was going to be a platformer," you say that like it's a bad thing, platformers are my favorite genre, especially 3D platformers of the 5th and 6th generation.
@GnrMilligan29 күн бұрын
@@catholiccontriversy And that is a fair point. Personally I'm not a fan of platformers, so my opinion is biased. But I realise if you like platformers then I'm sure Ocean could be a favourite company.
@colonel100314 күн бұрын
more like LJN WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
@HappyBeezerStudios14 күн бұрын
@@catholiccontriversy They were also extremely popular at the time.
@IsaacKuoАй бұрын
The reason FMV games popped up so quickly was that they had been working on VHS tape games, but the technology just wasn't up to snuff (and never would be). CD based FMV technology gave them an alternative that was at least workable. But that's why early FMV titles have a more linear structure than laser disc games (laser discs could seek to any track quickly, but VHS tapes could mostly just play linearly).
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Laser discs were not as popular here, so I've very limited experience with them. So limited in fact, that you could count how many times I've played a laser disc game using only one invisible hand. So yeah, I never had. xD
@EzyasnosАй бұрын
The screenshots also looked good on their covers and in magazines, and demo setups gave also that wow factor. I fell for it as well when I bought me a copy of Angle Devoid. (same goes for pre rendered graphics, though I did love "Dark Earth")
@IsaacKuoАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Laser Disc games were generally not very good, but we never really saw their full potential. Dragon's Lair popularized a genre which was basically an endless string of "quick time events". There were also a small number of video games that overlaid a traditional video game pixel display over laserdisc video (M.A.C.H.3 may be the most popular of these). The bottom line is that if you missed out on laserdisc games ... you're not missing much.
@douglasdea63715 күн бұрын
I remember a buddy and I played some of the Clue laser disk game. We didn't go far but it was interesting. Wish we had done more.
@HappyBeezerStudios14 күн бұрын
You suddenly had insane 650 MB of storage, at a time when that vastly exceeded the size of your hard drive. So they put videos on there. And we not only got FMVs at the time, but also prerendered backgrounds and cutscenes. Until we got to the point where the 3D engines offered enough to render that in real time. And by the time DVDs gained popularity, with their menus and chapter select, there was basically no interest in interactive videos left.
@megatronjenkins2473Ай бұрын
I'm old enough to remember these genres, even played a bunch of these games. Good video, man.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Thank you! :)
@AllenGarvinАй бұрын
Uh, text adventures?? They ruled the early 80s, adding graphics in the late 80s and then finally devolving into point-and-click with Legend Entertainment in the early 90s. I'd also add space flight combat games, starting with arcade classics classics like Star Wars or the Atari 400/800 Star Raiders, reaching a hey-day with Wing Commander or Tie Fighter in the early 90s, fading away entirely by 95 or so. Those 2, plus dungeon crawlers as you covered, were my faves. Plus rogue-likes, but those are now in the middle of a decade-long renaissance.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Rogue-likes also eveolved into rogue-lites which seem to be the new X/rogue-lite mix of genres, where X stands for any "big" traditional genre. :)
@deathybrsАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Yeah, but "rogue-lites" are almost always an abuse of the name, and bear almost no resemblance to Rogue or Hack whatsoever.
@IamRobotMonkeyАй бұрын
I had a very active imagination as a kid. Humbug, Jacaranda Jim and Castle Adventure are some of my all time favourites.
@nothingelse1520Ай бұрын
Last space game I bought was FreeSpace 2
@Robert_ShmigelskyАй бұрын
@@IamRobotMonkey As kids, we had an older neighbour who introduced my brother and I to Legend of the Red Dragon, which was on the old bulletin boards. From what I remember the whole point of the game was to try to sleep with the barmaid, but you almost always just got slapped. My brother ended up getting banned because he told the mod, who ended up being the bbs owner, to shut the f--- up lol.
@foxdavion6865Ай бұрын
Activision executives in the early 90s: "Affordable 3D is decades away, invest everything into FMV, FMV is the future of video games, we'll make millions!" Activision developers in the early 90s: "No, the future is in 3D games and that future is now" One guy made Mechwarrior 2's game engine in his spare time. Rest is history.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
LOL :)
@foxdavion6865Ай бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Not even joking, Activision executives wanted MW2 to be a FMV game, all those cutscene videos in it are the FMV stuff the devs decided to keep in the game from the ongoing original FMV project when the engine developer convinced everyone to use his 3D engine for the game.
@lorddarthvader628914 күн бұрын
Crazy to think that these genres were common and made by big companies. Its like how splitscreen is sadly becoming less common now. Everyone says multiplayer is better, but multiplayer isn't an option if you have someone come over.
@OldAndNewVideoGames14 күн бұрын
That last sentence hits the nail on the head. Nearly every game has a multiplayer component these days, be it some kind of a versus challenge or co-op, but most of them, like at least 90% of them cannot be played when you're actually "with" friends. They gotta leave and go home first. It's a bit ridiculous. And I'm not saying that local multiplayer should replace the online, that would be stupid, I'm saying that it would be nice if it was there too. To supplement the online component.
@sytrostormlord327510 күн бұрын
that's why i also loved Homm series for their "hotseat" mode :)
@gmc6790Ай бұрын
Space combat games. X-wing vs Tie Fighter Descent: Freespace Wing Commander. Miss those days.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Frontier: Elite 2 Frontier: First Encounters Starlancer Freelancer :)
@skald898125 күн бұрын
I miss Joust and Robotron
@eziomorte3380Ай бұрын
Adventure games (point and click) died because it was genre that couldnt sell GPUs, its as simple as that. As an older gamer, I will NEVER forget the 80s and 90s. Gabriel Knight 1 is still in my top3 of all time. My favorite game ever is Planescape Torment and you could argue with so little fighting, it was also an adventure game rather than a full-blown RPG like Baldurs Gate or Icewind Dale.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
I don't mind games with no fighting. In fact, I've completed Pillars of Eternity 2 and Fallout 2 (yes, I know, like 20+ years are between them) without killing the last boss. I've talked my way though the final encounter. And yes, out of both Kill Bill movies (yep, I'm that random, that I decided to jump from games to movies), I preferred the one in which there were close to no fights, and mostly talking. :)
@nexarathАй бұрын
Except they didn't die and there are still a lot of really good games in this genre, you just have to dig a bit deeper. Stasis: Bone Totem, Norco, and Beyond a Steel Sky are just three off the top of my head in the last few years.
@djstock02Ай бұрын
They died because the attention span of today's youth is about 1 Nano second.But they didn't really die. It's just niche now. Same with rts. And I hope these old games survive. They don't need to be made better. Just preserve their genius. 80/90s were a golden are for a lot of mind blowing games. Inc Jrpgs.
@1r0zzАй бұрын
They died because could not evolve their gameplay into modern system. There is a reason why sherlock holmes still goes strong?
@1r0zzАй бұрын
@@djstock02 Rts died because you do not need a exel spreadsheet of key combinations, and gazillion of sub abilities and casting… Also not everything was supposed to be starcraft…
@kimmolaine8069Ай бұрын
Carmageddon was nice. The idea was to score points by committing vehicular manslaughter with an on display lunatic avatar in the top left of the screen.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
So... fun, right? ;)
@chaos.cornerАй бұрын
My son is still playing it after he discovered it in my steam library.
@headrockbeatsАй бұрын
I still play it every now and then. Pure fun.
@nekronekoАй бұрын
Would've been absolutely inspired by the Stalone movie Death Race
@chpsilvaАй бұрын
Ahhh, the era of mowing down old grandmas for splatering bonus... At the time you manage to take the Supressor, you're unstoppable.
@soulextracterАй бұрын
Buddy platformers are kind of dead. Banjo-Kazooie, Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, etc. Only exception I know of is that Ratchet and Clank are still going. However, that series is a shade of its former self. Another dead genre, that I don't even know the name of, is with games like Burnout 3 Takedown. I guess you could call them demolition games. Burnout just did it with cars, and mixed in racing. Also, top-down shooters, scrolling space shooters. Basically every AA, or AAA title these days are just FPS or 3rd person RPG-like, the same sport game re-released every year, or hyper realistic racing sims.
@billmore648612 күн бұрын
For 3d platformers we have ideas these days. AA front is ASTRO bot.
@KaitouKaiju2 күн бұрын
Mario Odyssey?
@TheSnoopycloneАй бұрын
3D doesn’t work for all games. But driving games perfectly makes a proper transition to 3d.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
It does, but like I said, I began noticing a dusk of top down racers with the emergence of 3D. It may be a coincidence.
@foxymetroidАй бұрын
That's because much of the genre's 2d games were already trying to look 3d-ish. If anything, they worked in 3d because 3d made their jobs easier.
@AgagaSnsnsАй бұрын
@@foxymetroid True. If there is a genre that needed 3D it was racing games. In fact, F-Zero is the best racer of the 2D generation because it's basically a 2.5D game. EDIT: It is the best because it's an excellent game, what I meant is that none of its pure 2D competitors had a chance against it, no matter how polished, and I played the best of them at the time, on multiple systems.
@lunarulАй бұрын
Make Way is a top down racing game that is 3D and captures the same feeling that Micro Machines did. but it's not an AA or AAA game
@Janshevik28 күн бұрын
It could be also that evolving (and more affordable) 3D was also downfall for RTS games. While rts games work just fine in 3D, they do not gain that much more than other competition genres. 3D finally allowed other genres to shine, putting those not requiring more in the shadow. But this is still a lesser factor for RTS downfall.
@FuntastersАй бұрын
Point 'n Click Adventure, RTS, Dungeon Crawlers, and On-Rail Shooters are my favorite game genres, especially for Point 'n Click Adventure. Because games with the Point 'n Click Adventure genre usually bring deep and good stories, there are many dialogue choices that can usually affect the course of the game or the ending, etc. 👍
@randomslacker9204Ай бұрын
If you can find a copy of Riven: sequel to Myst. It was a point n click 1st person puzzle game. The puzzles range from simple to challenging and as you solve them you unlock the story. Multiple endings you don't die but you can fail and trap yourself and the developers were nice enough to reward you with an ending instead of torturing you in an endless purgatory! If you do play it be prepared with an pen and paper the game doesn't save the clues you will find. I wrote down many notes just to complete it. Very very enjoyable experience.
@FuntastersАй бұрын
@randomslacker9204 hey thanks for the recommendation and suggestion, maybe i'll try to play it sometime! 🙏😄
@fizzmaister28 күн бұрын
What's the racing game at 1:55? I've been trying to remember that game for years.
@OldAndNewVideoGames26 күн бұрын
The title's in the top right. It's Ignition. It's also hella fun! :)
@fizzmaister25 күн бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames I can't believe I didn't see that. I was too transfixed by finally seeing this game again.
15 күн бұрын
Ignition, and it was a hell of fun. Loved that game.
@Ninjastyle12413 күн бұрын
An actual legitimately dead genre is the dating sim (not visual novels, but fullblown sims with stats, progression and gameplay), at its peak they used to be AAA quality , but abruptly died in the early 2000s and never had a relevant or noteworthy release since then. Not even an indie revival or some niche developer with a cult following. Which is funny because it seems like nearly every Western or Japanese RPG nowadays has dating mechanics thrown in.
@OldAndNewVideoGames12 күн бұрын
Perhaps they were to niche and what we get in other games as an added feature is enough for most? It's just a guess, I've done no research in it.
@drdca82639 күн бұрын
So, a question: were/are any of those games actually at all useful as “training”, or are they more like, fantasies?
@magonus195Ай бұрын
I remember what killed RTS games for me was simply everything going online. They were fun when they had a good campaign and i could play against friends. But playing against sweaters who read wikis and had multiple monitors just made me not care. There's no discovery in such games any more. There's just build breakdowns and unemployed nolifers.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Ha ha ha :) That may be one of the reasons...
@HappyBeezerStudios14 күн бұрын
Matchmaking also hit them hard. It used to be the case with FPS games that you just join a server, play with random strangers, perhaps find someone who is fun, so you exchange ICQ numbers and look for another time ti play together. But in most cases you'd just enjoying the flow, having fun, doing the thing, then leave. Now pretty much every game uses matchmaking. You get a skill rating, join a quere, the system tries to find players with a similar rating, then you play with/against them. Depending on how you do, it will change your rating. Some still have community-hosted servers, but that is becoming exceedingly rare. Everything has to be quick and competitive nowadays. If you sign up for a match, your team expects you to fight for victory at all cost. Can't just join a group of random people, who met each other at random as well, and just do what seems fun and interesting to you. Everything has to be balanced nowadays. Can't just play with random people of random skill levels. oh no, everyone needs to be even. Communities also have shifted. You don't have msn group chats or forums anymore, now everything is social media. And if a game interests you, you better be on the 50 discord servers of the biggest clans and content creators and lfg groups. RTS games work perfectly fine online, but not exclusively.
@OceanTheFreakАй бұрын
RTS Games are still out their. Beyond all reason is one of my favorites as of late. As for Vehicular combat games. GRIP Combat Racing is also one of my all time favorite games.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
I'm gonna check those out, thanks!
@mysteriousbobАй бұрын
Grip is a racing game with weapons, not a car combat game, completely different genre.
@OceanTheFreakАй бұрын
@@mysteriousbob Who said anything about "car combat games?"
@atp19xxАй бұрын
@@mysteriousbob I bite: GRIP has the word "combat" in its name. AND it's pretty much modern version of old combat racer called Rollcage.
@matthewdaley4403Ай бұрын
Also Zerospace and Stormgate
@mendez704Ай бұрын
Excellent video...but was surprised you didn't include space combat simulators, that made the delights of people like me in the 90s with titles like X-Wing, Tie-Fighter and Wing Commander
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Frontier FTW! That said, I had to limit the video to a nice round number. You know, for the thumbnail, LOL :) Seriously though, you know that I can at some point just release "10 more Video Game Genres That Don't Exist Anymore", and having a few left would make it easier. And if not 10 even, then I'm sure I can find at least another 5. :)
@harbinger200Ай бұрын
Its interesting how X-Wing and Tie-Fighter one of the games no one managed to recreate. The atmosphere the story telling, the fantastic music with that system that changes theme according to current actions in mission. Its a phenomenon.
@vassilisxerikos3908Ай бұрын
There is a small but steady supply of such games. SW: Squadrons, X4 foundations, everspace 2 etc and Starfield is essentially Privateer with some extra steps. Niche but not dead.
@droggelbecher2k127Ай бұрын
because you have lots of active games like Elite and EvE Online with huge communities. and Star Citizen is maybe on the way. Space Combat Sims are alive like always
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
@@vassilisxerikos3908 I was soooo hyped up for Starfield. I love my space-based games, all the Frontiers, No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous, Freelancer and the likes, so I had my hopes for it. And while the side quests where often really fun, it was really really REALLY disappointing learning that it was a space game without space flight. You just fast travel everywhere, even places you've never been to. Well, mostly these actually. I completed it naturally, but wont be reinstalling it for the DLC.
@ArkanovikАй бұрын
It's sad that so many genres dissapeared or become niche, I reallly loved Carmageddon 2, HOTD and Death Rally. Btw, pretty well made video and straight to the point!
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Thanks! I was aiming for that. I like my lists, you know, to catalogue all the most important games for particular systems over the years, but these "other" videos are a nice change of pace for me. :)
@flariz482428 күн бұрын
Okay but its criminal you didn’t include any footage of Vigilante 8 when its like the face of Vehicular Combat.
@OldAndNewVideoGames28 күн бұрын
My bad xD
@novaguy712 күн бұрын
tactical military shooters. games where you commanded a small squad. kinda morphed into multiplayer only games.
@OldAndNewVideoGames12 күн бұрын
And while I get why, multiplayer is apparently "a superior" experience. But sometimes you just wanna have fun on your own and at your own pace...
@ffs-forfunsake647410 күн бұрын
Star wars games under Lucas were an event on their own. People still remember republic commando and mod empire at war to this day.
@moglimogifyКүн бұрын
In general aaa titles have increasingly become more expensive to make. Game studios are more risk averse. They therefore go for genres that currently make a profit rather than resurrect old genres.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesКүн бұрын
I agree.
@noirstanАй бұрын
Great video idea! If you ever plan on doing part 2, Lunar Lander should definitely make it in. It was a genre that peaked in the 60s in mainframe computers and almost faded out before video games became available to a wider public, had it not been Atari that released Lunar Lander in the arcade. And maybe Zelda clones, based on the first Zelda on the NES/Famicom? There used to be tons, now barely confined to indie scene once every while. And your favorite game genre, text parser adventure games!
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Holy smokes! YES! There were so many of these. I had like 5 at least on my C64... Lunar Landers that is. And yeah, I am thinking about a follow up, and yeah, I have few genres for them prepared already. Well, now one more, cause I didn't though of LLs before. Text parsers, sadly, I did remember about. xD
@jackwilliam4436Ай бұрын
Bring back the Deception style of games (where you lay traps and guide your character as she lures enemies into her traps, while avoiding their attacks) and make them finally available on PC !
@Kilthan2050Ай бұрын
First person dungeon crawlers are one of my favorite genres. Legend of Grimlock 1 and 2, and Star Crawler are a blast. And Heroes of a Broken Land is an awesome combo of a dungeon crawler and Heroes of Might and Magic.
@harbinger200Ай бұрын
Might and Magic 3, 4-5 (World of Xeen) and 6 (Mandate of Heaven) are to me one of the best game in existence. Especially 6.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Heroes of a Broken Land... ? I've not heard about it, and you make it sound really fun. Thanks!
@thewhyzerАй бұрын
I have 88 hours in Heroes of a Broken Land, and only 54/82 achievements unlocked. Based on the missed achievements, I never even encountered many of the bosses, or "recovered the hearts" of worlds of size other than Normal.
@Kilthan2050Ай бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames its great, tip: you can try to disarm traps by clicking them, awarding exp.
@AllenGarvinАй бұрын
I don't know any of those you mention but Might & Magic, ,which I played from 2 thru 6. Wizardry, Bard's Tale, all the AD&D SSI games: I used to have dozens of pages of graph-paper maps of every one of them! Auto-mapping and then 3D killed that genre.
@robertmruczek758726 күн бұрын
One of the oldest "genres" that you do not see at all nowadays is the text-based adventure. Little or no graphics, and amusingly if you did not guess the precise wording of the response in some cases you were pretty much stuck.
@OldAndNewVideoGames26 күн бұрын
Yep, I have it on my shortlist for the follow-up video :)
@pascoett27 күн бұрын
Games like North & South, Pirates, Defender of the Crown, Lords of the Rising Sun, etc. combined strategy with action, even arcade action. These were easy and fun.
@OldAndNewVideoGames26 күн бұрын
Yes! They were pretty amazing!
@animaegrayАй бұрын
Some more: 6DOF shooters like Descent, as well as space combat shooters and traders. The former are virtually extinct, never really becoming popular. The latter fare a little bit better, but it's a far cry from the 90s where this style of game was very popular with a ton of titles released. 3rd person shooters that were made for keyboard + mouse controls, like Max Payne, Rune, Heretic II, American McGee's Alice. Only a handful of these were made. Somehow this distinction goes below everyone's radar, even though it's pretty clear these games feel, control, and are designed fairly differently from console TPS. Puzzle and old school arcade style games, arguably. They still exist, but not nearly in the same capacity. Lode Runner, Digger, Supaplex, Sokoban, The Incredible Machine, countless Arkanoid style games... Pinball games. These used to be quite popular, remember? City builders and any kind of building/tycoon game. A quintessential PC genre that spawned classics like Caesar (and other Impressions titles), SimCity, Theme Hospital (speaking of Bullfrog, how can we forget Dungeon Keeper, a hybrid builder/manager/rts). Turned based strategy. Again, they still exist, but remember that in the 90s, within a decade, we got games like XCOM, Heroes of Might and Magic, Panzer General, Civilization, Jagged Alliance, Master of Magic, Master of Orion 1 and 2, and so on. It isn't nearly the same nowadays, is it?
@yukko_parra26 күн бұрын
as a cities skylines fan, city builders are definitely still popular. now if only cities skylines 2 were a genuinely good...
@beefusdoesstuff519411 күн бұрын
I never see breakout/Arkanoid games anymore, but they were all over the internet. I loved Ricochet the most.
@OldAndNewVideoGames10 күн бұрын
True! Gotta add it to my list.
@EirathАй бұрын
I'd argue that point and click adventures and dungeon crawlers aren't dead genres at all. Very marginalised, but we still get titles especially in the indie scene or as mobile games. I'd even argue that the classic Point and Click adventures are seeing somewhat of a resurgence at the moment. Remasters of classics, new games etc. Still marginalised, but not dead.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Good point. But that's also why I stated in the intro that indie game are excluded from the equation, as with them in the mix, no genre would ever be dead. :)
@EirathАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames True, but yeah there's still some small life signs in the mainstream
@marcinflisak31725 күн бұрын
For example Gobliins 6 is in the making, it is a direct sequel to Gobliins 2 :D
@rasmusolesen5307Ай бұрын
I wish On-Rails Shooters would return now that we have good VR. Not a day goes by where i don't consider tracking down the owners of Space Gun and ask how much money they need to do a remastered version for VR 😁
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
I agree. We actually do have better lightguns now than the lightguns were and VR is perfect for on-rail games. :) I've played few recently in the arcades in Japan, but it was all mostly old titles.
@HeadPats4Peter21 күн бұрын
There's rail shooters, but w/o VR: Ex-Zodiac(early access. both trailers on steam seem pretty cool) ASURA THE STRIKER(not yet released. Steam page says planned release date 2024? it's december already...) Mirage Feathers Rogue Flight (the 1st 20s of the ~1min trailer on steam is pretty hype) Rogue Flight might be the closest to a in-person feeling since at the 10s mark(just a very short moment, it shows being inside the ship you pilot. I have never played the game, so no idea how good it is. *flies away
@HeadPats4Peter21 күн бұрын
I just realised the on-rails shooters are more "Time Crisis" type or Virtua Cop or Crypt Killer
@thomasdevlin582513 күн бұрын
Superhero open world games are a genera that just kinda faded away and I didn't notice until just recently, specifically ones where mobility is a major focus. The genera isn't exactly *dead* since most spider man games meet the same criteria and they are still being released, but I can't really think of any standalone titles that released recently. Infamous and prototype are the two games specifically that come to mind
@OldAndNewVideoGames13 күн бұрын
You're right, other than the big names, these are really not there anymore. At least not in a freeflow arcade action adventure genre.
@Stupidtalkspointlessthoughts14 күн бұрын
6:15 thanks for that dose of nostalgia. I was having a rough day and that made me smile
@OldAndNewVideoGames14 күн бұрын
Really? Well then, I'm glad that I could help, even if unintentionally. :)
@ErinfromDenver16 күн бұрын
I would add cinematic platformers (Another World, Prince of a Persia) to this list.
@OldAndNewVideoGames15 күн бұрын
Good point. Thanks!
@johnblue5399Ай бұрын
An enjoyable video with many classic nostalgia inducing games. I do love trawling through the comments section for great modern recommendations, and for salty takes from people who misinterpret the concept! Would absolutely watch a part two.
@iapetusmccoolАй бұрын
When you mentioned vehicular combat games, I suddenly remembered Quake Rally. Which makes me wonder - does "incredibly moddable FPS game" count as a genre, and do they still exist?
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Garry's Mod?
@chpsilvaАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Source engine is indirectly derivated from Quake. But yeah, most modern games don't even allow you to run a private server anymore, let alone be easy to mod. Modding games are a dying breed.
@kubabongaАй бұрын
ohh my goodd!!! i totally forgot about micro machines for DOS!! i got my first PC on 1997, it was a 486 with VGA monitor and WIn 3.1 and that was my first color game!!!
@loserinasuit788010 күн бұрын
1:40 I think what killed the top down racer is the fact 3rd person racers at their furthest zoom out become an angled top down and players are more engaged when seeing what's in front of them in a more intimate way. What killed these games tends to be player engagement. Not that players dont have the attention span but rather immersion is the deal breaker.
@OldAndNewVideoGames10 күн бұрын
You may be right, you know.
@beemohАй бұрын
Dungeon Crawlers are still reasonably alive- Atlus ported the previously DS/3DS-centric Etrian Oddysey series to modern platforms only last year, and we've also has Zanki Zero from Spike Chunsoft in 2019 and Saviour of Sapphire Wings in 2021 from Experience. Japan seems to have taken to the genre quite happily.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Having recently been to Japan, all I can say is whatever they decide on, be it banking on dungeon crawlers or otherwise, I’m for it. They sure know something most of us don’t, and many of our western societies would benefit from following their example.
@AaronTheGeekАй бұрын
I'd say Dungeon Crawlers are alive and well, we call them MMORPGs now, that and with the most recent success of Baldur's Gate 3 I am sure they are gonna start masking a traditional comeback as well.
@PeruvianPotato24 күн бұрын
It's weird because some long-term dungeon crawler franchises such as Madō Monogatari have since abandoned their traditional format whilst more niche franchises will take a crack at it. I specifically remember seeing an anime called KonoSuba take a crack at it for whatever reason a few years ago.
@Flasa10 күн бұрын
Nice job with the video, I legit liked it. My only constructive criticism is to lower the volume of the game footage on the background. My neurodivergent brain (as well as others’, I imagine) struggles to filter that noise out, making it hard to focus on what you’re saying. Because of that, I had to listen to most parts of the video twice or more to get what you’re saying. Apart from that, you’re doing great! 🙂
@OldAndNewVideoGames10 күн бұрын
Thanks! :) I actually try to keep it low, so this time I must've missed something. I'll try to put more attention on it before I render the videos. I think the issue here may be that I listen to it through headphones when editing, and they kinda do a decent job at making the voice stand out, but in an open space environment, from speaker or a TV, the game background sounds may actually be too loud. Thanks for the hint! :)
@Flasa9 күн бұрын
@ Perhaps, that might make sense. But live and learn, right? I just wanted to encourage you because, despite this minor issue, I enjoyed watching the video. Keep it up! 🙂
@ryanchapman399526 күн бұрын
Surprised you didn't mention rhythm games or subgenres of them like the instrument playing or dancing games (Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Dance Dance Revolution, PaRappa the Rapper, etc.).
@yukko_parra26 күн бұрын
oh rhythm games are making a resurgence. on the phones they back, in the arcades they back. heck arcades in my area are booming again cuz of rhythm games, with 1am queues somehow but on the pc and console... yeah nah they still be a bit quiet.
@NotaPizzaGRLКүн бұрын
@@yukko_parra All I want is a game like Stepmania again. Or Audiosurf.
@JenkinsmumАй бұрын
One genre that is my jam that you don't see anymore is Adventure-RPGs. "Quest for Glory" was a clever hybrid of point-and-click adventure and Role-Playing with three or four classes to play as. The fifth game was disappointing. And now we don't really get anything quite like QFG.
@TheIllerXАй бұрын
Another dead genre not mentioned here which I really miss is the shoot-em-up. Sure, there are mobile games but not any AAA or AA games for PC. This is really a shame since all new technology could really do them justice. But to play them properly you need a classic digital joystick and those are not even sold today (except some rare bad variants).
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
True, there are very few new and not indie shoot'em ups. That said, I've played my fair share of classics last month in Japan in the arcade I was frequenting near daily. It was really fun! :)
@yukko_parra26 күн бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames wait there are non-indie shmups on release?
@roundytoon10 күн бұрын
One of the most recent dead genres is probably Toys to life What am I supposed to do with all these skylanders and amiibos now
@JemyMАй бұрын
Great video. I decided to play every realtime blobber until Legend of Grimrock (almost done). There were about 50 of them, with only 3-4 of those released between 2000-2012... And even if Legend of Grimrock was great, it was an indie game. I think the only non-realtime blobber from recent years that touches AAA would be Bard's Tale IV.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Ah, Bard's Tale IV, I actually started playing it, but then had to stop for some reason (life? work? don't remember...), but would love to come back when I get a chance. I loved the older ones. EDIT: Thank you! I should've really started with that. :)
@FredM80Ай бұрын
Great video ! I player almost all game you present and I miss them.
@FastwinstondoomАй бұрын
Isn't it weird that RTS is a struggling genre while turn based strategy is (arguably) bigger than ever? That being said, I think that since Age of Empires 4 only came out 3 years ago, and was made by the least indie dev of them all, that the genre might not qualify for your list ;)
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Correct. But that's one game only. And there's maybe two more, and the rest is just indies. Which I love, I'd like to make that clear, but covering them would make this entire video moot. Also, I am mostly a turn-based gamer, so yeah, the last decade or so, I've been having a lot of fun! :D
@Qba86Ай бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames With 2xA games there may be some examples, like Iron Harvest, but even that one came out over 4 years ago (boy, does time fly) The last non-AoE 3xA RTS that I recall was Dragon Commander, and that was a mix-genre game. There are still some turn-base strategy/real-time tactics titles, like Total War series, but that's a different beast entirely.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
@@Qba86 Yup, and Total War somehow manages to keep its offshoot of real time action well and kicking. :) Even if each next game has entirely different and often fantastic theme. :)
@luckwhiskerКүн бұрын
Can I ask what is the game in the outro with the wonderful animation of the overweight knight on the white horse and the blacksmith?
@OldAndNewVideoGamesКүн бұрын
The Settlers. It's also a pretty sweet game too. :)
@DeathMetalDerfАй бұрын
Any time anyone tries to release one of these today, like the car combat games, it just never works out as well as I would have hoped. It always just feels like something is missing, and it's probably just because I'm not a teenager anymore that something feels off about the game.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
It may be our age, or it may be us used to more robust, deeper mechanics. Still, I wouldn't mind one fun, literally mindless car combat game to take my mind off things. Cause while I may have grown up problems now, I still like to be able to just shut off and relax. xD
@KrysnhaАй бұрын
It may be, that now we just cant do good games, now all games have to have all mecanics, all games have to be focus in micreotransactions, and selling game passes, no longer is about fun, i play some mobile car combat and they are fun but like mobile have, they have all stuff that take away fun making it a grind, if you make a car combat gamw where you progress unlocking stuff as play, with nice gameplay it will progress, and it will be fun. I was watching a video about these, and is not getting old, is because we live the best of gaming, we see variety we see fun, now is not about fun, is about money, and the message
@maxstrong4700Ай бұрын
Car combat my favorite sega genesis game
@magonus195Ай бұрын
@@DeathMetalDerf It's because you're not physically next to a real friend.
@harbinger20026 күн бұрын
I now have fun playing Carmageddon DOS games as much as had playing them when they came out. Nope its not age, its new games lack atmosphere and personality. Its just like Twisted Metal games.
@WadeLife11 сағат бұрын
Man Time Crisis took sooooo many quarters or tokens of mine... Great upload
@OldAndNewVideoGames4 сағат бұрын
Thank you! :) And yeah, I know how addictive a good arcade game can be. I've just came back from Japan 6 weeks ago, and I gotta tell you I've spent so much money in the arcades there, it's just stupid. But I loved it! :)
@alperkaanbilir1776Ай бұрын
Shmups are essentially extinct, people make them but they don't have much financial value. Space sims are also out. Some people make new space sims but those who play them are old nostalgic farts like me.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
I agree, they may appear in the future video. :)
@SabbychuАй бұрын
Touhou
@LomanLawsonАй бұрын
Space Sims aren't out. they just can't compete with Starsector. the peak has been reached, why try more? :D but yes, more space sims would be nice.
@headrockbeatsАй бұрын
@@LomanLawson Starsector isn't really a simulator; what the OP is referring to is actual simulators, where you're in the cockpit, flying around like a space plane. Wing Commander and X-Wing/TIE Fighter are the best examples, as is Freelancer. They do still make them these days (Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen), but there's an ever-increasing focus on the open world experience and non-combat aspects, which the older games often completely ignored. I recommend Everspace as a fun recent game in this genre, with the second one being better in almost every way.
@yukko_parra26 күн бұрын
@@Sabbychu that's defo indie and basically one of a tiny handful (also like when 1% of touhou fans play the games, and 50% of shmup fans are touhou fans... )
@DJL3G3NDАй бұрын
8:25 there was actually Riders Republic, released in recent years, which has all sorts of vehicles, primarily mountain bikes and skis/skates, and its a pretty decent immersive game 14:42 I actually played time crisis again recently in a nearby arcade, its hella fun honestly. I really wish lightguns and even pedals were still being built to work for specific modern games, because mouse and keyboard just isnt quite the same. theres the vr controllers, but I dont think I would enjoy vr for very long, just being able to fire the toy gun at the screen is immersive enough
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Yep, there was Riders Republic released. :) It''s one game though. There's been 2-3 more in the last decade, but that's still just a few over how many years? I'm not saying that they're bad, cause they're mainly really good. But they're not enough to keep the genre alive and kicking. VR is pretty good if you "can take it". I'm saying that cause while a buddy of mine can literally play for hours, when I get to that 30-45 minutes mark, all sort of things happen in my head. I begin to feel a bit dizzy, and a tad sick, and also a little confused. xD
@DJL3G3NDАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames oh yeah good point, I was just thinking since its a triple a release but I cant think of any others actually. looks like therell be a skate 4 at some point though? and yeah vr can be a bit too much to handle, but also a different experience to regular games altogether
@NinjasticFlare12 күн бұрын
Good video. I was only into Twisted Metal, and a Hotwheels game called Velocity X, but I’d love a new car combat game. Those were so much fun.
@OldAndNewVideoGames12 күн бұрын
I know, right? So simple, and yet so great to release some steam. xD
@MrStrikecentralАй бұрын
1) Top Down Racers: They only existed because of the limitations of the hardware of the time. With 3D graphics and more powerful processors able of actually rendering a track that you can see more than 10 feet in front of you as you zoom by at breakneck speeds, this genre became obsolete. It's a very fun niche genre, sure, but it's just simply outdated. 2) FMV Adventure: See above point. Second verse, same as the first! 3) Point-&-Click Adventure: If done right, these are immensely satisfying, genuine works of art, and genius (see There Is No Game). Unfortunately, I feel a vast majority of gamers pass on them because they feel the genre is rather boring, being so heavily narrative driven. The problem is there's usually very little actually going on while you wait for the characters to deliver their lines. 4) Real Time Strategy: Halo Wars is the most recent RTS I can think of off the top of my head. I think the biggest contributor to this genre dying off is actually because Starcraft is pretty much perfection in terms of gameplay. Why try to reinvent the wheel when you already have the perfect iteration of what the genre can offer? There's a reason it's still played religiously to this day. Any RTS made today would be forever compared to Starcraft and would pretty much need to reinvent the genre to be even mildly successful. Almost no company would accept that risk. 5) Competitive Sports: The closest you'll find to these nowadays are specifically fitness titles and the Mario & Sonic Olympic Games on Nintendo consoles. I think these fell out of favor because they're relatively boring compared to everything else on the market. Having Mario and Sonic characters in them make them much less boring. Do I want to struggle with game mechanics to make someone jump really far or swim really fast or would I rather blowup buildings and hunt aliens with cool weapons and gadgets? 6) Extreme Sports: Lightning in a bottle, oversaturated market like you mentioned. Unfortunately, lightning never strikes twice (well, almost never), and these simply fell out of popularity, just like music games such as Guitar Hero. 7) Vehicular Combat: This one pisses me off the most. Fighting games are popular, racing games are popular. How could combining those ideas fail? This confuses the hell out of me. What happened? 8) First Person Dungeon Crawlers: Another relic of times of limited hardware (see point 1 again). These have been supplanted with full 3D, isometric or free-range camera adventure games like the Diablo and Balder's Gate franchises. Tech and gamers have simply evolved beyond these for the most part. 9) Movie Tie-Ins: Notorious for having abysmal gameplay, mechanics, graphics and plot that barely resembles the source material because of one major factor: TIME! It takes time to make AAA games nowadays, many years in fact. This genre (more of a type of product than an actual genre in and of themselves, to be honest) never works because their success hinges on releasing around the same time as the movie they're based on. This means the game needs to be completed (laugh) well before the movie launches in theaters so it can be pumped out to consumers. And so everything from gameplay, mechanics and graphics suffer from the deadline to get it done, and the story in the game may be based on an early rough draft of the movie script that could have been changed a million times over by the time it comes out. These changes aren't done in games nearly as easily. Today's Movie Tie-Ins are based on existing blockbuster franchises (Ghostbusters) or much more obscure movies that have gained cult-classic status (Killer Klowns from Outer Space). These franchises are already well established, so nothing's changing last minute, people know what to expect from them and their popularity guarantees there will be an audience to buy in. 10) On-Rail Shooters: These exist pretty much only in arcades. Very few ever make it to home markets because of the technical requirements to make them playable. You need to either have some device for reading the input of the guns, or some way for the game itself to read if you hit the target or not, like in Duck Hunt. A classic arcade staple that doesn't translate well to home. VR tech could change this completely if some developers were brave enough, though. Here's an idea for another video: Games that were a genre in themself. I'm talking Steel Battalion being a Realistic Mech Driver game (because of the controller). I'm going to shut up now.
@bulbx1273Ай бұрын
Go play Crossout it's free.
@DudeWatIsThisАй бұрын
It must be noted that RTS games are dead because: 1. Starcraft/Warcraft perfected it, yes, BUT ALSO... 2. Everything is multiplayer/competitive today. There were many RTS games which I've only played single player (great campaign and/or chill gameplay and/or unbalanced but fun mechanics), but since everything is multiplayer today, they have no chance at a comeback. Looking forward to a time when everyone realizes how angry and spiteful online multiplayer gaming is, so we can play more games like these again.
@Zontar82Ай бұрын
wish I could downvote you more than once. none of the thigns you said make a lick of sense
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Online gaming can truly be terrible, I agree. Which is odd, cause it's a medium that also has potential to be the best thing ever. Still, it all depends who you stumble upon, I suppose. :)
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
WOW! A long comment and a lot of points worth considering. Also, thanks for the idea, it's pretty good actually! :)
@bl_ss13 күн бұрын
The car fighting games reminded me of this amazing racing game series called Need For Madness back in like the late 2000s, where the goal was to either get first or destroy all other cars before someone else won the race. It was truly one of a kind and I haven't ever seen it properly replicated after people stopped playing its multiplayer version.
@OldAndNewVideoGames13 күн бұрын
I've not heard of them at all. Like not a word. I gotta look them up. Thanks!
@AntipaladinPedigriАй бұрын
3:56 Bro, just recently Crimson Diamond was released. A homage to Colonel's Bequest and Sierra games. Made in their classic pixel style.
@TeaAndFloppyDisksАй бұрын
@@AntipaladinPedigri It is, but it's an indie game. :) Mostly made by Julia Minamata. It's a nice game indeed. A real gem, one might say. :D
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Still, an indie. :)
@AntipaladinPedigriАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames True, but I felt ot necessary to add it, because "this genre is dead" is a swooping assertion and can be misleading if one forgets the "no indie" disclaimer at the beginning (now if you repeated it at the end and emphasized it, it might have stuck). It's like lamenting the death of european jrpgs as if they all died when the japanese jrpgs are doing fine :)
@Vohaul21429 күн бұрын
I was about 10 years old when I first played Eye Of The Beholder II on the family 386. I feel like Skyrim and games like it are what that genre has evolved into. As for on-rail shooters, I think VR would make a perfect platform to stage a comeback on (anybody play Space Pirate Simulator?). Great video, thanks for the trip down memory lane.
@OldAndNewVideoGames29 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and I agree, VR is the best new home for all the on-rail shooters!
@hungrysparrowАй бұрын
Kickboxing sports games. There were K1 games for PS1 and 2 but now the closest thing you get (outside of some obscure indie games) are MMA games. My favourite retro game in this genre was Panza Kick Boxing.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
YES! Panza Kick Boxing was the best! In my VERY old video, where I talk about the best Amiga fighting games, I actually picked it as number one, ahead all the Mortal Kombats, Shadow and Street Fighters and the likes. :) It's not a game for everyone, that's clear, as there are no explosive specials, fireballs, nothing of the sort, but from a technical point of view, it's just the best.
@emceenati149712 күн бұрын
What are the two first images from at the start of the video
@OldAndNewVideoGames12 күн бұрын
First: Maniac Mansion 2: Day of the Tentacle Second: Eye of the Beholder 2, Maniac Mansion 2: Day of the Tentacle and Leisure suit Larry 6
@Andres33AUАй бұрын
I was going to say arena shooters (Unreal Tournament, Quake III) but with the indie scene bringing back so called "Boomer shooters" I feel like there probably are some multiplayer ones out there, and not just singleplayer.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
I bet there are :)
@BootsofBlindingSpeed14 күн бұрын
Grim Fandango will never be out of date.
@OldAndNewVideoGames14 күн бұрын
Oh GF was truly special! Everything about it was unique.
@senditall152Ай бұрын
You mean RTS devolved into MOBAs? Yes I agree.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Ha ha ha :)
@cyrollanАй бұрын
wow this really takes me back. i LOVE Tex Murphy Under a Killing Moon!!
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Yep, great series!
@TeaAndFloppyDisksАй бұрын
I like the idea of this video, so I'll give it a bacon for ingenuity. 🥓 I often hear about point-and-click adventure gmes being kind of dead, but the indie releases and occasional big company ones too are definitely ensuring its survival. :) And the genre deserves to live on. I would say that the extreme sports were a thing of their time, just like the sk8er (yes, spelled that way XD) aesthetic and related music. Now the sports games are dominated by football, according to my observations at the office recreation room. I would add another genre that is quite dead, except for very obscure and fanmade games: text adventures. And I think those too have their charm. :)
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Thanks! I explicitly mentioned I'm ignoring indies cause with them taken into account, no genre is or ever will be dead. :) That said, I don't recall any modern point'n'clickers by "big" companies. I can name quite a few cinematic ones, but they don't rely on pointing and clicking as much. That said, I play on gamepad a lot, so this may be a mistake on my end here... xD Oh yeah, text adventures... R.I.P. for quite a while now. xD
@DanferplusАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames a new Monkey Island came out a couple of years ago...
@TeaAndFloppyDisksАй бұрын
@OldAndNewVideoGames Yup, I noticed that you excluded indie games and I agree. They are good at keeping the genre alive, but not enough to ensure its mainstreamity. There you go, a brand new invented word. :) Hmm, it's probably the gamepad, since with a mouse, both the pointing and the clicking are still there. :D
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
@@TeaAndFloppyDisks I have to admit, that if the game allows for use of gamepad, I'm more than likely to use it.
@TeaAndFloppyDisksАй бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Whatever you feel most comfortable with. I'm more used to keyboard and mouse. I played Formula 1 with a gamepad and no, turning it does not make the car steer in that direction. XD
@konasavage28 күн бұрын
Great video, thanks!
@OldAndNewVideoGames28 күн бұрын
You're welcome, and thank YOU for watching! :)
@mkFix-plАй бұрын
Great video. Interesting points. Just a bit of feedback. The game sounds are a bit too loud and thus a bit distracting while you talk. Other than that, a well put together video!
@erics8192Ай бұрын
flight sims for pc have largely died out aside from DCS, I miss microprose :(
@Penny-166 күн бұрын
4:59 I can recommend any of the Monkey Island games and Manic Mansion 2: Day of the Tentacle (btw it’s been remastered for iPad), Leisure Suit Larry was good for a laugh.
@OldAndNewVideoGames6 күн бұрын
Agreed. I have all of them in at least 3-4 copies each on different platforms. My love for the Monkeys and Tentacles (however it may sound) knows no boundaries! ;)
@MildlyBurntBread13 күн бұрын
Mostly agree with this but the rts part is really out there. Even if you want to ignore the smaller indie titles, clash of clans and bloons are massive and pikmin 4 was one of the biggest releases of last year
@OldAndNewVideoGames13 күн бұрын
Fair point! :)
@SanithDemilАй бұрын
Good video. This is the first of your videos I've seen. I miss all of these, but in my opinion, they were popular for us millennials, not so much for Gen z.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Thanks! And you may be onto something here.
@nicod19Ай бұрын
I recommend you as a vehicle combat game: "Gas Guzzlers Extreme". Another genere that "don't exist anymore" (since WildGuns) is "Cabal style" games.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
GGE rings a bell. I gotta check it out, cause the name is too familiar to not be able to recall it. Thanks! :)
@shanestone977028 күн бұрын
I wonder what you used for your ending footage?
@OldAndNewVideoGames26 күн бұрын
The Settlers
@shanestone977025 күн бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames Oh, the settlers. Thanks for the answer!
@gameplay_factoryАй бұрын
RTS games always exists and keep getting better and better I think you are missing something about that.
@VEC7ORltАй бұрын
Nothing released today is as good or grand as CC, SC, WC.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
I might, but I've not seen any notable AA or AAA releases in years. Other than the few failed attempts from Microsoft.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Yup
@A.Person...Maybe...Ай бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames age of empires 4 was released in 2019.....
@negruszАй бұрын
old style base building rts?
@NekoMouserАй бұрын
I'd argue that point-and-click adventures (and the closely related graphical adventure genre) have been having a huge resurgence in the last few years. Its hard to find exact numbers for many reasons, but I'd even wager, by volume, MORE point-and-click titles are being released each year now than were being put out in the genre's early 1990s heyday when the superstar titles were coming out. In fact, some of those same franchises have started to return after years (or even decades) of relative obscurity. Syberia basically relaunched in 2022, with more titles in that series being announced and planned. And a new Monkey Island game came out in 2022, almost 14 years since the last one-AND it featured the return of the game's creator for the first time since 1992. Riven got a complete remake in 2024, 27 years after its initial release, and Simon the Sorcerer popped back up for the first time since 2009 with Origins, a prequel to the original 1993 game. Even Shadowgate came back out of the blue with a remake. And that's not to mention all the new one off's and series in the recent past, like Thimbleweed Park, the Blackwell Series by Wadjet Eye Games (....or really ANY game by Wadjet Eye Games), the Darkside Detective series, Inspector Waffles, or LocoMotive (which just came out this week). I think it is driven by a couple of things: - nostalgia creating demand among gamers in their 40s and 50s, - faster game development with lower overhead, especially if doing it "pixel art" style, and - widely available game engines that have allowed for more-actually decent-home-grown "passion project" games than ever before. I do agree that the genre feels a little more "niche" now. And that it is aimed more at the late Gen X, early Gen Z adult gaming crowd rather than being put out for mainstream appeal. And I'll even agree no point-and-click game is going to sell $100M in copies or win game of the year-or even draw all that much attention at all. BUT...many have a dependable ROI due to their low cost. And easy distribution channels like GOG, Steam, the Swtich marketplace, etc allow them to spread and be found relatively easily. So that does keep the genre alive and kicking, even if you have to be a little more proactive in finding it.
@jeffhousen8968Ай бұрын
RTS is not dead, it somehow got renamed to X4 And it has been quite busy.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Ha ha ha :)
@zahylon599317 сағат бұрын
If we think about it; Vehicular Combat spawned two genres: Mecha games and War Sim games. You can't get more "Vehicular Combat" than War Thunder, but if you want to be flashy, you go for a Mecha game like Armored Core (or the incoming Mecha Break)
@kyleolson8977Ай бұрын
The top down racers (and isometric racers) were solutions to a problem - the need for a track larger than the screen without having 3D. The problem is that this has never been a great way to race at high speeds. The internet killed the need for this kind of racer, although split screen play like Mario Kart. The FMV adventure game no longer needs to exist. We have modern games which share much of the gameplay, and if we need the performances we have 3D mo-cap. Point and Click is a retro genre, usually indie, but it is an active one. The Steam "Point & Click" tag will require some digging since people don't know the difference between a "clicker" and a "point & click" game, and there are lots of "hidden object" games. Many of the games are LucasArts retro inspired, although there are some other things like the very strange looking "Death of the Reprobate" released last week, the third game in a trilogy. RTS is much hotter this year than it has been. Not Dead. Lots of C&C clones on the indie side, and much bigger games like Age of Mythology Retold, Homeworld III, Dune Spice Wars, Empire of the Ants, with more even before getting into genres that are a step away from the old RTS. What you have as "Competitive Sports Games" is part of a larger genre of "Multi-Event games" and these mostly died out in the early 1990s as a major genre for a while. The gameplay was not much more than a flash game for any event, so flash games took over some of this space. Remnants of the multi-game idea survived in a couple ways. One is the "Mario Party" style game, which is still around, and another is the "Wario Ware" games which were mini-min games and that genre is mostly gone. There was one last heyday of the actual multi-event games on all the platforms from 2005 into the early 2010s when the Wii was released. The motion-control multi-event game, like Wii Sports continued on through disastrous Kinect with the Xbox One, and since then it has been very quiet except for demo-ware level releases. The extreme sports game is more interesting. I would blame Guitar Hero, Motion Controls, & Grand Theft Auto. Guitar Hero & Motion controls led to Tony Hawk's Ride and Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (peripherals and motion controls being the trend). Guitar Hero was also responsible for taking away Neversoft from the Tony Hawk games. On the other end of the scale, GTA led companies to take games which shouldn't have been open world, like THPS and SSX, and make them into something far less streamlined. These less streamlined games seem good on a glance, but don't have the quick play quality. The odd part is the lack of a revival. You can ignore THPS5; that was dumped onto the market as the rights died. It's THPS 1+2. If THPS 1+2 had sold better we would have had THPS3 and more revivals. THPS 1+2 is a great game but it couldn't hit the marks it needed. I'm not sure why an old school SSX hasn't been tried as well. That one seems easy. The most dead genre on the list. Vehicular Combat has some flaws, most notably "car controls" which are even worse than "tank controls", particularly for fighting. It was better before the FPS genre was fleshed out and before consoles had dual sticks. FPS games generally accomplish the same thing better. When you have the option, you can see that the car combat gameplay loop isn't great. In order to do Vehicle combat you need some gameplay that makes the limitation of "car controls" justified or add enhancements to get around that problem. I would expect to see more "racing games with combat", but even those are limited. I don't like to disagree this much, but you're really off here: The Dungeon Crawler is the opposite of dead. There are so many ways to crawl dungeon being released it is hard to keep up. Do you want a Party RPG with some dungeons? Get a Larian game, or any Obsidians Pillars type games, or Owlcat's RPGs. Even the "First person 90 degree dungeon crawler" isn't dead. They even remastered Wizardry in May, and there's the retro SKALD or Legends of Amberland 1&2 There's more than I could count if we allow Rogue-Like elements. I'm not sure what you expect here - there are retro games, modern games. Sometimes they're in evolved form. Sometimes the theme has changed up. But Party Based RPGs and Dungeon RPGs are all around. Movie Tie in as a AAA genre are, for now, mostly dead. Not 100% (see the largely forgotten Ubisoft Avatar game from the past year or so). The reason - budget and timing. Movie tie in games will only come as tie-ins for the property for the time being
@ObiKKaАй бұрын
Yeah, I agree. I think the title of the video is too extreme or unrealistic compared to actual facts. At least half of the genres in the list are very active in the AA and indie development market with a few AAA releases per year. The creator should reword it to something like game genres that became dormant; or too risky / expensive to do. Or old genres that's now mostly indie only.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Well, the graphics are so sophisticated now, that they border on photo-realistic and soon enough we will forget about FMV altogether. And I agree that there are plenty point'n'click and RTS indies. That said, I intentionally omitted indies as if they were taken into consideration, then no genre will ever die. Just because of the sheer of releases from small devs. :) He he... I have double and triple A music/rhythm games as one of the genres for the follow-up video at some point. :) As for first person perspective Dungeon Crawlers I consider them dead in the mainstream, there are but a few and spread in years of their releases. As for other, as in not first person, I didn't had them in mind when talking about Dungeon Crawlers. Perhaps wrongly, as I should've specified more, but I'm just explaining my methodology. And as for Obsidian and Larian games, I have and completed them all, and loved most of them to bits. Same goes for both Pathfinders! All these rocked and RPG, especially turn-based third-person/top-down RPG is in its Renaissance now.
@artemis1993Ай бұрын
@@OldAndNewVideoGames "And I agree that there are plenty point'n'click and RTS indies. That said, I intentionally omitted indies as if they were taken into consideration, then no genre will ever die. Just because of the sheer of releases from small devs. :)" But that's the thing. No genre of gaming really died, except for FMV (there was one indie horror game a few years back that remarkably used FMV, but i'm not willing to rule out FMV's extinction because of one game). So the title of your video is a bit misleading. A lot of the genres you listed really only died on the AAA market.
@mails65Ай бұрын
What is this beautiful animation towards the end of the video? The one with the knight marching towards a castle?
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
The Settlers
@deondewit3175Ай бұрын
you mentioned top-down games yet it was a top downer that became one of the greatest games ever made: Grand Theft Auto. They havn't disapeared just evolved. But I hear what you saying, thanks for the nostalgic trip.
@Xewgx9214 күн бұрын
I know exactly why RTS genre died. It was the Rise of Mobas, since dota was created the genre saw worse and worse sales and eventually died out as the psychological itch was scratched by mobas, which while still classically considered fairly inaccessible and dense, RTS were even more so. Everyone i know who I used to play RTS with in gradeschool and highschool switched to Leauge or dota 2 now. These types of games just demand that you almost play them exclusively in order to play them well and you can play dota with friends much more easily.
@OldAndNewVideoGames13 күн бұрын
Makes sense. I used to play League with 4 friends in the past too. It was fun for a while, until one of declared that we have to meet every day at a set hour to train, and that was the last time I've played it. Because I have work I despise with a passion of a bottomless underwear model, and I do not want to "work" after work if you know what I'm saying.
@OpEditorial26 күн бұрын
Some of these genres really should stay dead. Point and Click adventures are some of the most frustrating video game experiences of all time, and the quality of acting in some FMV games are so bad that they wouldn't look out of place in a Neil Breen movie.
@OldAndNewVideoGames26 күн бұрын
OMG! :) That last part of your comment...
@miguelbranquinho723512 күн бұрын
It's okay to be wrong, bro.
@NotaPizzaGRLКүн бұрын
git gud Seriously I love point and click adventure games but there's no good reason to force someone through a bunch of nonsense just to make a fake mustache (IYKYK). Fortunately modern games streamline the choices you make and try to avoid stuff like that or one tiny pixel puzzles. With 90s nostalgia coming along, the advent of 4K and higher resolutions, and lost games being found it's only a matter of time till FMV gets its comeback. Her Story showed the way.
@johntippinАй бұрын
Nice video, but don't the many tank and naval games count as vehicular combat games?
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Yeah, I suppose so, but I've not made it clear enough in the video, that I only meant car/bike combat games when I was talking about vehicular combat. I'll fix it in the future. :)
@MrCrasyheadАй бұрын
I see so many ppl saying the same thing. Pay attention to what he is saying in the first 37 sec. He does not count Indie games as no genre is dead if does are included
@A.Person...Maybe...Ай бұрын
At what point do we stop calling indies indies though? Both Broken Sword and Monkey Island released games the past couple of years, and I wouldn't call either an indie studio any more
@BlueMondayGamesАй бұрын
@@A.Person...Maybe... And Thimbleweed Park. Definitely not an indie game. People just proclaim something dead because they themselves don't play. There are people still claiming turnbased JRPGs are dead. Uhhh, Octopath Traveler? DQ3?!
@A.Person...Maybe...Ай бұрын
@@BlueMondayGames thimbleweed! Totally forgot about that one, I love that game!
@BlueMondayGamesАй бұрын
@@A.Person...Maybe... I had a friend in the 80s who loved Maniac Mansion. This game would have blown his mind.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Well, there's literally thousands of indies releasing year by year, and they cover and create new genres. So yeah, you're right, I couldn't include them, as this video would have never been made if I did. :)
@daishi5571Ай бұрын
Finishing with Settlers put a big smile on my face. I play it on my Amiga every couple of years. Looks like you have some corruption on the kids running.
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Yup, it's either emulation artifacts, or that particular copy has some, well, cracking issues. xD
@AlfredoPuente827 күн бұрын
Point and clicks dead with TellTale.
@OldAndNewVideoGames27 күн бұрын
:/
@JorgeNajjar15 күн бұрын
Great stuff! Many thanks :D (You've got yourself a subscriber for this lol)
@OldAndNewVideoGames15 күн бұрын
Thanks a bunch! And I hope you'll enjoy all the other videos that I release too. :)
@helloofthebeach17 күн бұрын
An important bit of trivia about the top down racer is that, while the genre itself has departed, it has a massive legacy in the form of Grand Theft Auto. The first GTA was intended to be a top down racer that involved police trying to stop the race, but the developers found that players were having more fun messing with the cops than actually racing. The devs leaned into it and launched one of the most successful game franchises of all time.
@OldAndNewVideoGames15 күн бұрын
It is an interesting titbit. Thanks! :)
@CRBarchagerАй бұрын
15:50 I loved the Settlers!
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
Same :) Played it first on the Amiga.
@davidwuhrer670428 күн бұрын
Widelands is a good open source game similar to Settlers 2.
@litos30419999 күн бұрын
What are the games in the intro and the outro?
@OldAndNewVideoGames8 күн бұрын
Intro: Full Throttle Outro: The Settlers
@digimurtalАй бұрын
I come here for nostalgia
@OldAndNewVideoGamesАй бұрын
You're welcome here for that and any other reason! :)
@Dr_Bobo137Ай бұрын
A fun list, well presented. One quibble: a couple of times you use the word “repeatable” when what you mean is “repetitive” Good work, though!