Good insights - thanks for this! I find my CMC641 to be a sort of Jekyll and Hyde type of experience: Great on some voices, absolutely harsh on others. I like to have a couple of options on hand for those Hyde situations. And could not agree more with your summary - "If your room sucks, your recording will suck. And Mic placement is everything."
@ThatAudioGuy4 жыл бұрын
Curtis! Thanks for the comment, I've followed your channel for years! Yeah I don't know if I got lucky but I have only encountered one voice that I REALLY wasn't vibing on the 41 (I've got a handful of 541's - to my knowledge it's a different low cut so it shouldn't have an impact on the high mids) but other than that one voice, I've found it to work well for me. I haven't worked with the MKH50 though so I'm wanting to give that a shot. I think a lot of times people blame mics for problems when they are putting/pointing them in the wrong place/direction haha
@SoundSpeeds5 жыл бұрын
The Schoeps CMC-541 is such a beautiful mic. It's natural sounding, pulls the voice out beautifully without distorting the background which I love.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Dude. GORGEOUS. I also used it on a piano and I can't go back. Vocals, piano, guitar, you name it, it just sounds like you're in the space it's recording
@SoundSpeeds5 жыл бұрын
It seriously is! Such a versatile mic in every sense. With the CMR, GVC, and inline filters it makes the most well rounded and flexible mic out there.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
@@SoundSpeeds It's one of the 7 wonders of the world
@manishchoudhary80205 жыл бұрын
Came here after watching full time filmmakers video !
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@dukebozikowski38015 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAudioGuy What do you think would be the best professional cardioid condenser mic for video? Do you have also have a budget option (sometimes there's a mic that gets close to the same quality for a fraction of the price)?
@theTechNotice4 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude, really helpful! I'd love to see another comparison where Rode NTG5 and Rode Videomix NTG :) BTW! You look like Adam Lambert! :D
@scotthancock3824 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the effort. Would be great to see/hear a lav shootout along with the variations of placement, thereof.
@kendrick13313 жыл бұрын
Man. I never comment on videos, but those clip transitions made me laugh out loud. Also, thanks a ton for this. It really helped me pic a mic.
@MarkusSenior4 жыл бұрын
Great Test Brenden. I am currently in the market to upgrade or not :-) Thanks for sharing. Cheers from LA.
@zaim_ipek4 жыл бұрын
I clicked on the video because my mind needed information. I liked and subscribed because my heart needs your sense of humor. You are my kind of people.
@ThatAudioGuy4 жыл бұрын
Welcome Zaim, I'm happy to have you
@gabrielching78253 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brenden for the professional point of view tests and advice! It's very entertaining too
@Saphir30005 жыл бұрын
Thank you man this really helped me to make a decision. After watching this video all the way through I came to the conclusion that I need to get a Drive jacket. The sound comparison was also pretty good I guess...
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
I mean I was hoping that was common sense
@rosenkoev69883 жыл бұрын
Thank very informative and extensive comparison. You should put the Sanken CS-M1 in these comparisons. It is a surprisingly good all rounder for the price!
@andylevison5 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for doing all this work and your well thought out summaries and recommendations!
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Andy! Thanks for the comment
@LatenightLyle5 жыл бұрын
I too would like to see a quick comparison with the NTG4+ and the new Diety mics. You wouldn't even need to do a full video. Just mention THIS video as a reference base and then some quick sound examples of the new mics along with your personal thoughts. Since this video was so comprehensive, all I really need is your opinion and a couple of example recordings to extrapolate how a new mic would fit into my preferences and needs.
@bliiblaablue5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Any thoughts on the budget Sennheiser MKE600? Seems very tempting for the price, only 250€..
@GregorPQ5 жыл бұрын
At 26:40 you forgot the Sanken, which was, Imho, 2. after the CMIT. Great comparison!
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
You're right! I did. I liked it for #2 as well! It was in my notes but I forgot to mention it in the video
@stason994 жыл бұрын
I'm very eager to know your take on NTG5! Please review it when you can!
@greenteacupproductions964 жыл бұрын
great video, thanks. Can you do a video on recording sound on a scene with 2-3-4 actors?
@LaurentHAMMER2 жыл бұрын
Just a great video !! Loved your input ;) Thanks a lot ;)
@instagram74314 жыл бұрын
Great video! I from Russia and bad understand, but your tests is very good for me. I will buy Rode NTG-3. Thank you man!
@VoicesintheDark5 жыл бұрын
Great in depth shootout 👍 How about comparing to supercardioids like Senheiser MKH50 and Schoeps MK41 ? I keep hearing that they are better suited to indoors than shotguns
@5ecretcode5 жыл бұрын
which mic would you recommend for audiobooks/voice narration/ price doesn't really matter i'm just curious of having a life long mic i wont have to worry about upgrading for years. lol
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
EV RE20 or Shure SM7b but make sure you have a good preamp to get good volume because those mics need a ton of gain
@GoldYeller5 жыл бұрын
That jacket is 🔥🔥🔥
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
INN'IT THO??
@GoldYeller5 жыл бұрын
That Audio Guy Yeah no, I agree. I agree. Arrahg! You know we played a hard game.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
@@GoldYeller yes
@VRcation2 жыл бұрын
Basically... if you're wanting the best bang for your buck - go with a Rode product within your budget. If you don't want to think, pick the MKH 416 and no one will question your decision. If you have a hold burning in your pocket, go with the Sanken Cs3e or Schoeps if that shiny blue is worth a few hundred more.
@johnnyb3575 жыл бұрын
Great video and great closing comments. Thank you!
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@finabentley-kimura45885 жыл бұрын
In a bad sounding room, would it be better to use a lav mic instead of a boom. I mean the lav will be closer to the subjects mouth, maybe less reverb? What do you think?
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Yes! I usually prefer lav but in a bad room boom picks up too much bad gross room
@willvazquez32185 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tests. Excellent job, I'm subscribed now. I still love the classic sound of the MKH416. What recorder did you use? Thanks.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Great microphone! We used the Zoom F8 for this one!
@ydrac214 жыл бұрын
Zoom preamps are just terrible, everything recorded was just terrible to my ear. You should try using a field preamp with your recorders.
@steveedelen32514 жыл бұрын
Going with the Sanken CS3E. Glad to see someone using logic in for post. Do you have a video showing a round trip workflow to get the audio from Premier into Logic for Mixing and Spotting?
@ThatAudioGuy4 жыл бұрын
I love Logic! I export an OMF, open the OMF in Audition, export a Final Cut XML from file>export, and then open that in Logic
@steveedelen32514 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAudioGuy You got a video to demonstrate that? I thought I had to export each audio track individually and then open each file in Logic each under a new track. Would that be a bad way to do it? Just switching over to adobe premier from final cut. Haven't looked at Audition yet.
@ThatAudioGuy4 жыл бұрын
@@steveedelen3251 Oh man that sounds like a nightmare. I could make a video for you if you want
@steveedelen32514 жыл бұрын
That Audio Guy yes please do. Although I think I get it. 1. Export OMF to Audition. 2 Export FInal Cut XML. 3. Open That XML file in Logic. I get it. U should Make the video because I really searched for “how to send audio from premier to Logic” and found almost nothing. May help many people by demonstrating it.
@PeterPiklMusic4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that one! :) Considering ntg3...
@stasysfilmslimited5 жыл бұрын
Oh, look forward to watch tomorrow!
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
YESSS!
@thijskraan3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I'm looking for audio gear to buy. I'm thinking about getting the NTG4+ and the Zoom H5, what do you think? The NTG4+ = €230 here and the NTG3 = €595, but that's pretty expensive for me currently.
@ThatAudioGuy3 жыл бұрын
I haven't used the NTG4 but I know people that like it. I would think that's a good set up based off of what I've heard other people say about it, but I would personally go with an H6 or H4n Pro instead as those have better preamps
@thijskraan3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAudioGuy thanks for the tips! Ill keep thst in mind!
@Mile26point2films5 жыл бұрын
How well does the Schoeps CMIT 5U handle in humidity, I feel like the Deity has at least that advantage over these mics. If I could afford a Sennheiser 416, Sanken CS3-e, and Schoeps CMIT 5U, believe me I won't hesitate to get them. But the fact of the matter is some of us can't even afford them used. Again that's just my opinion, I hope the next test you do, is a comparison with the Rode Video mic and the Deity D3 and the D3 Pro, those in my opinion work well for your video blogger and as a shotgun for a boom pole.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
I haven't had issues with the 5U and humidity, but granted I don't work in a humid environment often so I can't say. If you were to just get one mic I would recommend the NTG 3 or the 416
@Mile26point2films5 жыл бұрын
That Audio Guy I actually did end up getting an NTG3 after hearing your noise floor test. I found a company that does monthly payment installments for the mic. However I still wanna get a Deity mic in the event I’m caught in rain or snow just to have that reassurance. Also, I don’t know if you been keeping up with NAB but Deity has a bunch of new products coming out. Especially their new lavs that look fantastic!
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
@@Mile26point2films Awesome! I haven't had any reliability issues with the NTG-3 in rain/humidity but it's good to have a backup if you don't have one. I'm excited to hear the new Deity stuff!
No Sennheiser MKH-50? With the blend of boom mics, I feel like you’re missing a key dialogue mic.
@ThatAudioGuy Жыл бұрын
I've got two! Just didn't have one in this shootout
@omerfit105 жыл бұрын
Like that Elvis jacket lol
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Drive dog
@ericallnight4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the new Rode NTG5?
@theothervalentin5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Would you use the Ml-2 as a voice over mic running into a Tascam DR70D Recorder? do i have to use the computer interface to emulate the different mics? thanks
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Yes you have to use a computer with their plugin to use the mic emulations. I think it would work great as a VO mic. It emulates a 47 and 67 which a lot of people use for VO
@coursefarm5 жыл бұрын
So good. Added the ML-2 to my list and subbed.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Awesome! ML-2 is incredible, especially for studio use. Like I said in the video, I wouldn't use it as a primary boom mic but for $150, you can't go wrong
@tazjamental5 жыл бұрын
Cool video, though I was very surprised to see the ML-2 in there as it's the only cardioid mic, so it was always going to have more off axis by design. It's a great mic for the price and I was planing to pick up some soon so it was still nice to hear. Seeing as the NTG-3 feels like the best value for money, at least to my ears and coming from the Fulltime Filmaker video, I'd love to see video comparing the NTG range of mics. I hoped the Deity would have provided a better budget option, but it's pretty shockingly bad, so I'm curious if the other Rode NTG series mics handle any better.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
I know the ML-2 is the odd one out but I've been wanting to put it through this test ever since I got it to see if it could be used in this scenario. Hate the NTG 2 but love the NTG-3
@tazjamental5 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAudioGuy I was curious to see how much of an improvement the NTG-4 was.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
@@tazjamental I don't know if it's an improvement on the NTG-3 I think it's just different
@hzubovi15 жыл бұрын
Hello there, there is a mic I would like to ask you about. It is the DPA 4017B. Just wondering how it compares to these mics. Thanks
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Never used it but I've heard good things
@tinylil4 жыл бұрын
So helpful! Thanks!
@mohamedadel-w1i Жыл бұрын
hello, which one better NEUMANN KMR 82 i vs schoeps 541?
@ThatAudioGuy Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Schoeps!
@nicolocapovillatesta5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Very clear and helpful. I use a Rode Ntg3 together with a Zoom H5. Even though I'm recording in a reasonably quite environment as soon as I turn up the gain on the recorder to get my voice to around -6 dB there is a very noticeable amount of hiss. I don't think it's the Ntg3's fault but rather the Zoom's. I also noticed that other people with the same setup do not experience similar issues. Does anybody have any idea about why is this happening?
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
It could be a bad cable or the preamps aren't the best on the H5 compared to the H6 or F8. You also might have a really quiet source. Watch this video to learn about noise to signal and self noise of units: bit.ly/Top6Audio
@nicolocapovillatesta5 жыл бұрын
That Audio Guy Thanks! I’ll definitely check it out
@papple0415 жыл бұрын
Gotta say. I solidly disagree about the Smic 2. It's not a cmit. Obviously. But I've had it up against several other mics and it really holds its own. I've used it in several different environments and I've never seen anything else at that price point perform so well. The weather proofing is a big plus. I'm generally an mkh50 user, but I'm glad to have an smic 2 in my arsenal as well.
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Definitely not a CMIT. I would say that it holds itself when it's not up against other mics. In our tests (both in this video and other ones of just different experiments) the Deity consistently was last place. It just has that gross upper mid push that made it sound cheap. Again, compared to the other mics. If you were using it by itself I'm sure it'd work just fine. But I did go through a bunch of demos online and found they all had that same characteristic to it that I wasn't a fan of. It's better than onboard camera audio, but I would save up a little more and get something a little better. I haven't used the MKH50 but hope to get one some day!
@Ranger7Studios5 жыл бұрын
What's the difference between the Rode NTG3 and the NTG3B?
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
One is black
@VCYAmerica5 жыл бұрын
Got a sub after Walbeck vid.
@ars_urist4 жыл бұрын
Маловато лайков для такого отличного обзора.
@lc2c1773 жыл бұрын
The Cs3e has an Equivalent Noise Level of 15dbA. The 416 has a 13dbA 🤔www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/406096-REG/Sanken_CS_3E_CS_3E_Short_Shotgun_Microphone.html www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/79502-REG/Sennheiser_MKH416_P48U3_MKH_416_Short_Shotgun.html I think the fact the Cs3e has a high pass at 150 cuts out some of that natural diagetic noise floor. I also think it's NB to say what recorders/mixers/soundcards and gain amounts we're dealing with. As well as mentioning the specs of each mic. They're all easy to find on the B&H site..
@JaredRibic5 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the NTG-4?
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Never used it!
@JaredRibic5 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAudioGuy - I think it sits somewhere between the NTG-3 and NTG-2. I have the battery-powered version which recharges with a microUSB cable. I'll keep working with it to learn its limitations before going out and getting anything else. I have the NTG-3 and a CAD Audio Equitek e70 (cardio/omni) which are my main two mics for now.
@skakdosmer5 жыл бұрын
No ME66? :-(
@JacquesMayo5 жыл бұрын
28:32 is that Russell Crowe ?
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@JacquesMayo5 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAudioGuy awesome
@UnitedDestinyEntertainment5 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry man but my opinion the most expensive mic isn't performing well. it's very soft in dynamic range of the vocals. The presence just isn't there. I would not spend the money on that mic. They are better off spending that on 3 of the other choices of mics in this video.
@rats3045 жыл бұрын
mkh50 should have been in this test
@ThatAudioGuy5 жыл бұрын
Well you can't have them all
@randyowusu85045 жыл бұрын
Slate ML-2 > rode VMP and deity s mic 2 = save more money
@Matthew_Raymond4 жыл бұрын
Sadly, the people with epilepsy almost made it to the last test, but it was not meant to be.
@ThatAudioGuy4 жыл бұрын
Imagine editing the thing
@PaulG735 жыл бұрын
My friend each mic has a different sweet spot (distance from source) these tests are completely useless by placing them all in one bag (kind of what you did here), with all due respect. Additionally you need to mention how all this equipment was connected, processed etc. otherwise there is no point to any of this and I don't have a bias just fyi.
@lc2c1773 жыл бұрын
Agree on the connections into what mixers or sound cards and how much gain. Also would be good to mention the specs. You can find them all neatly on B&H.