In my opinion, the middle console should have the option of "dispose" , so when pressed the minecart with the villager will be sent to a special facility to "take care" of him in a spectacular fashion
@cubicmetre2 жыл бұрын
When I added this option previously it was too easy for players to accidentally hit it instead of the return to cell button so I decided to remove it. You can easily add a section to the rail that performs that redirection.
@alexanderlea78822 жыл бұрын
you want a button right next to the other button that permanently kills your villager?
@randovilclip Жыл бұрын
I always wanted to make a slime launcher and a tnt launcher so the villager and tnt peak at the same time the tnt explodes killing the villager never could get the village to launch high enough though…
@Annoyance1969 Жыл бұрын
Maybe make a confirmation button so you don't dispose of it by accident.
@ike__ Жыл бұрын
Could just get it converted by the zombie and then killing it
@ENDESGA2 жыл бұрын
*that "Void Trading" is absolutely amazing, and I love how it integrates with the new matrix!*
@alexanderlea78822 жыл бұрын
it's less that it happens to integrate with the matrix and more that the villager matrix was built around the void trading mechanic
@HeraldOD2 жыл бұрын
why did you make your comment bold?
@ENDESGA2 жыл бұрын
@@HeraldOD *why not?*
@gigaprofisi Жыл бұрын
@@ENDESGA no need to make your comment stand out from the rest. it makes you seem entitled to specific attention.
@ENDESGA Жыл бұрын
@@gigaprofisi lmao
@kevinsmits11962 жыл бұрын
you have very quickly become my favourite technical minecrafter! Amazing stuff as always
@sampie9586 Жыл бұрын
0:45 rest in piece to my homie villager 2, he demonstrated the redstone circuit and was never seen again.
@cajup2 жыл бұрын
Calling it the bed chamber was pretty funny. Placing a powdered snow to get the slow zoom effect was bloody brilliant 🤣 Get vid, Cubic.
@mrmaxmondays2 жыл бұрын
0:46 yet another life lost in the search for the perfect trading hall- 3:02 also thanks for the shoutout my guy😎
@contrapasta2454 Жыл бұрын
"Remember meeeeeee"
@bobdagranny74312 жыл бұрын
This basically introduced me to your channel (and the guillotine vid), it's great that it has a v2!! It set me on a 6 month long journey to create an villager system where the villagers came to you (it had many, many features and was fast and efficient). Unfortunately, when I upgraded from an old crappy laptop to my PC, the files got corrupted and i can't access the end dimension in the world anymore ;( ;(
@foxy92452 жыл бұрын
You can copy region folder and entity folder from the world files to new with the same seed that might help
@christophermc22 жыл бұрын
Stop the cap bro no one even cares.
@bobdagranny74312 жыл бұрын
@@foxy9245 thx, I'll try that
@bobdagranny74312 жыл бұрын
@@christophermc2 wtf mate
@bobdagranny74312 жыл бұрын
@@foxy9245 sorry I forgot about it for a while, a couple clarifications: 1. wdym by entity folder, i'm in the world folder and i can't find it anywhere 2. by region folder do you mean just the one in the world folder or the ones inside dim1 and dim-1
@ryanthescion2 жыл бұрын
this is truly fascinating
@aadeshsenthilkumar Жыл бұрын
Man those villagers on the bed must have best genetics out of every villager to be pumping out children reliably like that. Jokes aside, I think you did an amazing job with this matrix trading hall. I just love how everything is automated.
@manneredwolf74552 жыл бұрын
I actually learned something at school today. Thanks cubic
@usermeme72522 жыл бұрын
The efforts you put in your creations are mind blowing bro. This matrix mechanism was not just genius but also aesthetically pleasing. Would definitely try to build it in my survival world.(even tho my brain could not comprehend how it works😅).
@nox_coelho79272 жыл бұрын
I've waited for this new villager trading hall from you! Amazing!
@just_is2 жыл бұрын
Love when I was about to build the first version, he drops a even better one.
@emilyscloset2648 Жыл бұрын
(villager breeder issue + potential fix) I just noticed an issue with the villager breeder. It only dispenses 1 bread per baby. According to the wiki and the carpet mod, you need 3/baby for each villager. As such, I adapted it using a redstone lamp with an observer to get the first two ticks and then took an output off the observer with a 3-tick delay to get the 3rd tick by overlapping the middle one.
@GeezusMcGandhi Жыл бұрын
Ah! You have solved my breeder issue! Thank you so much hahaha
@seanseal62652 жыл бұрын
I do love this cool design of a villager trading hall. I am also so happy that I knew what the lava around the villager was for. I do think that removing the bedrock and having update suppressed water looks better is cooler and isn't that hard to do, but I also like having this design to test if the sever I am playing on supports void trading
@Zuchii2 жыл бұрын
9:22 please never stop throwing these random one liners into your videos. Gets me every time
@nachode8007 Жыл бұрын
Love this design! Just spent the better part of a day messing with redstone, but I finally modified (or redesigned I suppose) your original design to work on Minecraft Bedrock! If this comment gets enough interest I might figure out how to screen record and make a tutorial on my account
@nicolasdibitetti19892 жыл бұрын
Well... I already have the hammer SMP void trading hall completed in my world that you showed in your video "trading with the void" but this gives me several ideas, in addition to the fact that there are certain modifications that I wanted to do for a while. to begin with, the zombification chamber never quite convinced me, and the enchanted arrows are great for me, it is an alternative that I had not taken into account. On the other hand, I was working on a breeder and a villager storage station to integrate them into the system, but the ones shown in this video are just... fascinating. As always, you outdo yourself with your content. this is great.
@fpul2 жыл бұрын
Awesome design! Don't know if I have the patience to build it on my survival world but it's awesome seeing you explain it!
@Pabs12342 жыл бұрын
Tip Breaking campfires make soul soil. So cubic can add this to hid blast chamber
@MoonyInspired2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@theflugeler2 жыл бұрын
But you would have to craft and place them...
@Nijinja Жыл бұрын
No, because you need to craft them (soul campfires) and because they only drop the same amount or less than what they’re crafted with
@weirddudes5543 Жыл бұрын
@@Nijinja you can make soul campfires with soul sand, breaking a soul campfire makes soul soil. 1 soul sand -> 1 soul soil
@ratherbelunar2 жыл бұрын
This was such a fun project for my singleplayer world! I really appreciate the video and the schematics. Having void trading be so accessible is a game changer for how I gather some resources now. I made a few modifications to fit my specific needs, which were fun side projects on their own, but I'm still on the hunt for a way to do the void trading without the player eventually drowning from being underwater the whole time. Maybe I'll just add conduits. I've also found myself not really using the automated stocking to fill up the matrix initially, since having multiple non-profession-locked villagers near multiple workstations leads to the villagers not reliably responding to the job sites next to them. I've instead been loading one villager, breaking/replacing the workstation next to them until I get the trades I want, locking their profession by trading once, then loading the next villager. I think this is because the unassigned villagers pathfind to other workstations further away from them, and you end up with a messy mismatch between villagers and workstations.
@cubicmetre2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, they should not be pathfinding because they are in a minecart floating on water. Maybe try lowering them down with a slab to make the job site recognition more reliable.
@ratherbelunar2 жыл бұрын
@@cubicmetre I agree, I'd be surprised if they were pathfinding. But it's the only reason I can think of. At around 12:00 you can see what I'm referring to - villagers next to workstations just don't seem to take on a profession for some reason. You can see a few of them with their sightline locked onto a different workstation, which I thought might be a clue
@fireskorpion3962 жыл бұрын
Dude I spent so much time trying to build exactly this, but never managed to get it working. Sunk so much time into it and then just gave up :/ Really cool that there are working designs for this, because I always wanted to avoid having to put the villagers along the walls, because it takes up more space! Thanks for this video!
@happygood182 жыл бұрын
Use baritone, give it the design and it builds perfectly for you.
@fireskorpion3962 жыл бұрын
@@happygood18 yeah baritone is a really good tool. But in this case I meant that I was trying to design this, but didn't have a clue of how to approach the problem For example I was launching the villagers in minecarts up with slime blocks, so that wasted tonnes of space in every module, leaving none for the rest of the logic :'(
@happygood182 жыл бұрын
@@fireskorpion396 Oh you were trying to build one with your own design. 🦊
@fireskorpion3962 жыл бұрын
@@happygood18 indeed. I was always fascinated by technical Minecraft but never really designed anything, only modified existing designs, and often understood them. So this had been a project that I wanted to do on my own, also because I didn't know it existed already
@happygood182 жыл бұрын
@@fireskorpion396 🦊Almost everything exists now, what do you expect when even Minecraft in Minecraft is made with redstone?🙂🙂🙂
@VioletScarelli2 жыл бұрын
This is dope, thank you for showing this off!
@jitt80072 жыл бұрын
Ive been waiting for this ❤❤❤❤
@Monkeylordz882 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about villager trading halls, this looks awesome!
@Drianikaben2 жыл бұрын
due to how i want to use this system, I had to add a segment that, if you called a villager that couldn't make it into the matrix itself, instead of looping eternally, it gets disposed of. Really nice, modular design. easy to add stuff to as well.
@LucasIsLost_Official2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful redstone only a few can recognise pure mechanical beauty 🍷🗿
@aoikk99662 жыл бұрын
It looks great but the fresh animations makes me feel bad for the villagers when they have an "accident"
@user-xw4mu6nz4t Жыл бұрын
Yeah, personally burning them is a lot better than suffocating them... very slowly... and the sound they make...
@eywanazerty2 жыл бұрын
Bro that awesome i was i the way to build your old void training design i think this new one is genius GG.
@underthepeachtree882 жыл бұрын
Glad to see the new design, manage to break the old one multiple times when filling it XD
@eonit8362 жыл бұрын
Been using this matrix for a while, thx for new version!
@SirPucklebottom2 жыл бұрын
Dude, this is incredible. I love seeing you iterate through designs, leading us through the research and development process, it helps me understand what is happening and how to properly use the machine. On a separate topic, I would like to ask, why haven't you been doing more things with wireless redstone? I had thought that the concept would revolutionize Minecraft, but it hasn't had this effect... Could you explain some of this?
@user-xw4mu6nz4t Жыл бұрын
I think it comes down the simple fact that: wireless redstone isn't very useful. I meant, don't get me wrong - it has it's uses, I mean the enderpearl station chambers are awesome, you could hook it up with a precision TNT cannon and play an endless game of volleyball with the two tnt cannons and one anvil being flung from cannonto cannon. But like... in 95% of cases, it's kind of useless. It's not like in the real world, for the simple reason that these wireless redstone routers are massive. Like, wireless is useful in real world because we can easily communicate from device to device using devices that are small enough to fit in our pockets. But these machines just take up too much space. And also, they're pretty damn slow if you think about it.
@LizQuilty11 ай бұрын
this is great! was playing with the world download last night. love lovelove that breeder thats genious
@herzogheftig14792 жыл бұрын
Awesome rework dude, thanks for sharing!
@tomsmoneymagic2 жыл бұрын
Pumping out the videos my guy!
@sethsmith2608 Жыл бұрын
amazing. I already designed a separate void trader that uses a redcoder to call for specific trades. I only need 15 slots though because I only need villagers for each color of terracotta, and a cleric, librarian, and farmer, for redstone dust, xp bottles, lapis, bookshelves, glass, name tags, and golden carrots
@aze43082 жыл бұрын
awesome video, as always!
@krexit9992 жыл бұрын
BRO SECOND TIME IN A ROW u uploaded when i need smth First it was the dirt fsrm now this 😂
@Stephan-wf1ec2 жыл бұрын
A link to mrmax's twitch/youtube in the description would be a nice touch
@noname-codm45902 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite build!! Prolly my most favorite one
@gavinv.48722 жыл бұрын
The whole system looks great! There seems to be a bottleneck with the village breeder though. By only having 2 villagers in that you can only get a new villager every 5 minutes. Since there are 54 spots open for a villager to be in, it takes 4.5 hours minimum to fill, let alone if you have to... uh... dispose of any villagers. Adding a few more pairs in the breeder would exponentially speed up the process.
@cubicmetre2 жыл бұрын
I was going to make it a quad breeder by simply adding two more villagers. The main challenge is distributing food to every villager so they all have the correct portions for willigness. The thing is I wasn't prioritising the speed of the breeder because stocking up a trading hall is usually a very gradual process as you acquire the ideal trades and once you have all the villagers you need the breeder essentially becomes redundant.
@Zera19282 жыл бұрын
The villager yeet at 46 seconds has me reeling 😂
@SaiCode2 жыл бұрын
Would have built the other one in a few hours... You made my day! ❤
@inamecomeunico89352 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a V2 and mrmaxmondays work!
@shitpostingsandwhich Жыл бұрын
What a interesting and convenient way to treat human beings.
@cianryan28502 жыл бұрын
I built this and the villagers kept dying after trying to return them turned out one glass block was missing because it was surrounded by blocks I had no idea had to test in another world make sure you do everything right great build.
@enkvadrat_2 жыл бұрын
Careful when you place beds in the end
@MrBarneyQc Жыл бұрын
for anyone that dont want to have some headache before building it make sure to not rotate the schematic or the rail will be messed up after some use. i learn that the hard way you can solve it by chance the placement of redstone torch but yea its more headache for nothing
@TheDemonicsky Жыл бұрын
For some reason when you place the worktables it causes a CRAZY amount of lag. According to the carpet mod it's caused by the mine carts but the mine carts only cause a metric ton of lag specifically when the work tables are placed in front of the villagers. Im not sure if there is a solution but if somebody knows of one please help!
@harrybyaqussamprayuga1756 Жыл бұрын
This is basically a torture machine, love it
@jonahdement4379 Жыл бұрын
I died laughing with the slow descent of the extracted villager
@jeffery84312 жыл бұрын
I just finished building the first one and he comes out with this...
@restimo122 жыл бұрын
I dnt even do redstone but your vids are always amazing
@ismael8926 Жыл бұрын
oh villager of the trapdoor, lay upon me your wisdom
@bicrome2 жыл бұрын
that's how I will call it from now on, SUCCESSFUL BREEDING ATTEMPT!
@gavinxmayo2 жыл бұрын
you freakin nerds
@GeezusMcGandhi Жыл бұрын
Just finished building this the other day. After much trouble shooting it finally works and honestly it is fantastic. The one isssue (I've seen mentioned here and also is in the world download) the villagers on the soul soil sometimes fight the water and swim up a bit so the minecart fails to pick them up. A temporary work around is reloading the area as then the villagers take a minute to start pathfinding; if anyone finds something better please let me know.
@M_10242 жыл бұрын
There is still one problem. What if I don't want to input villagers in this order? Eg. I have 20 slots reserved for libarians, but I filled only 5 of them, and now I need cleric for some reason, and I don't want him to go into any of this 20 slots. Also I wanders can you make this more compact? I tried 2x2 and it works in theory, but it breaks in practice.
@cubicmetre2 жыл бұрын
Making it more compact might be possible but would make it look untidy, this is mainly because you need the two blocks of space between each villager to make the storage cells appear presentable and allow more options for decorations. Plus it's not really necessary.
@Ailtir2 жыл бұрын
What kind of UI do you want to add to reserve spaces?
@M_10242 жыл бұрын
@@Ailtir how about pressing a button that will disable this and all previous cells?
@Ailtir2 жыл бұрын
What should pressing a button on a previous cell do if its then locked? How would you represent that a cell is locked?
@M_10242 жыл бұрын
@@Ailtir 1. Nothing 2. Redstone lamp or something, it dosen't matter
@johnso23996 ай бұрын
it is almost sadistic to watch how all the villagers are trapped to force to perform. LOL!
@fifi73542 жыл бұрын
at 12:03 I found the same "issue" in the wdl that I don't really understand why do only some of the villagers realize that there is a workstation next to them ? (I tried to replace them and paste all of them in and out but there is always the issue that only some of them find their work station (with pasting) with replacing most of the time not even one of the villagers get their work stations because there is almost always another villager that wants this station) it would work if you only get one villager at a time and assign a workstation to that guy. do you have any suggestions how you could work around that issue and use the automatic filler afk ?
@cubicmetre2 жыл бұрын
Try assign the villagers one at a time, I think lowering them with a slab also helps. The issue is with pathfinding, we wat to prevent htem from pathfinding as much as possible.
@grayScaLe918 Жыл бұрын
just an FYI for anyone building this in their world, I recommend making sure its facing North/South. you may have trouble with the rails curving the wrong directions if its facing East/West
@iIO_OIi Жыл бұрын
You might as well just switch the breeder from producing new villagers to producing baby zombie villagers when "off", and if you're not interested in an undrad army like me, you can simply turn them into skulk... not like it's very effective for that, but might as well get some xp on the side. I'm not sure if dressing the dressable zombies would produce more xp or not, but if it does, then you might want yo have some optimally enchanted gear constantly available for those who can pick up loot to pick up, just to produce a bit more xp, ifk if that only works for naturally spawning with armor or not though, I recall getting more xp from mobs after dressing them from personal experience long ago though.
@TheRedBird2 жыл бұрын
is it possible too have a tutorial for the bed chamber
@BrownBanana13 Жыл бұрын
So the redstone is beautiful and moves the villagers around effortlessly. However, when in the matrix they are definitely able to pathfind to more than one workstation which essentially breaks the hall. It took too long to build and holds the villagers too well to break it down. Using Liberty mod to limit their detection range for job site which fixes the issue.
@anand_bhasme Жыл бұрын
I think snapshot 23W31A might break some crucial mechanics 🤔
@zawarudo18182 жыл бұрын
I will definitely build this
@xneomizo Жыл бұрын
damn good thing i see this now because just before this video i built the old one and had a lot of pain with it xD
@dtniland Жыл бұрын
this thing is so complicated that i though it was a circuit board when i saw the thumbnail
@theaiguy_2 жыл бұрын
Wow, another villager trading video! Amazing!
@percy9750 Жыл бұрын
There is a mod that fix the villagers ai called Liberty's Villager, it fix all the bug when the villagers don"t manage to find their job
@xilef65382 жыл бұрын
Love your Videos❤
@seblubla16852 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love that one
@Thsicnfnsjsbxnf2 жыл бұрын
I’ve spend several hours over the last week designing a villager trading hall to so essentially the same things. Now I’m wondering if it’s even worth using in survival since yours is so much more efficient and compact 😅
@alexanderlea78822 жыл бұрын
if you're not void trading I probably wouldn't recommend this design. It's very nice but if you're not void trading it's super overengineered.
@moneyraymondottv2 жыл бұрын
This is such an epic build
@Marshlix Жыл бұрын
I build it, but the zombiefication chmber doesnt work. The villager doesnt stay by the zombie just travels and get hit by an arrow.
@GeezusMcGandhi Жыл бұрын
I have jus finished building mine and it works ok but I made some mistakes with the zombie chamber (missing glass block for the block swapper). There are a few things that can be wrong, if you wanna send me some screenshots or something I'm happy to help you troubleshoot
@dvdluisteraar Жыл бұрын
I love it. I want to build it. I am testing it now, in the world download. How do I prevent myself from drowning? In the video, you are in creative while showcasing the trading 17:17
@dvdluisteraar Жыл бұрын
Adding a conduit on the main island works, I guess :)
@turtleman56x2 жыл бұрын
Honestly this is way more complex than a trading hall needs and not compact at all, if sharing a base with others only 1 person needs to cure them and they are the person to do all trades so just do the 5x cure b4 hand and I'm no where close to max efficiency for it. Also most people want trading halls early game, I tend to set them up first or 2nd week on a server, your hall takes so many resources it would be hard for that. People use villagers to get gear and enchants, not get gear and enchants to go get what you need to make the trading hall. The void part is nice for single player but not allowed on majority of smp servers.
@iFINNIX Жыл бұрын
0:47 YEET!
@eg-fi3ju2 жыл бұрын
its so clean and accessible
@Noob-uf4yb Жыл бұрын
Very amazing i'll try to copie it in my survival server
@andrekeizers89112 жыл бұрын
In the breeder, from the litematica file, how do you drop the minecarts to the floor of the cell, on the same level as the beds? I can’t figure out how to place the beds after the minecars are on the trapdoor’s or vice versa…
@cubicmetre2 жыл бұрын
If you position the minecarts you can place the base of the bed such that the head is inside the minecart. The bed doesn't seem to do a collision check for both of the blocks it occupies
@bengunderson712 Жыл бұрын
When you have an infinite emerald farm but still feed villagers to zombies for discounts lol.
@kinghenry_ix3559 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your content! what shulker display is that?
@arifhossain9751 Жыл бұрын
@cubicmetre Any chance you'd revisit this after the villager trading changes go through?
@gagaren4236Ай бұрын
Does it works in 1.21 version?
@yustmeda732 жыл бұрын
yo man, i would like to make a sugestion... so some time ago you made a multi item sorter, which worked on a very good design. So i wondered if you could improve on it even more now that the hopper minecarts dont break apart when broken. There is a design by Lummie Thief that looks quite promissing but i would be very interested in your take on it. Cheers :D
@TheStone1902 жыл бұрын
And I though void trading got patched a while ago. Must have confused it with the void iron farms
@davidgustafson365110 ай бұрын
I was wondering to myself, what do I do about bad vendors. Before the one-minute mark I got my answer.
@kappatrik4861 Жыл бұрын
Hi :D Thank you for this great build. I just built it on my server and it is working fine, but I noticed one problem. When the villager is on soul sand and the minecarft is sent to pick him up it sometimes misses him and the minecart goes empty. I noticed it even on your save so it is not just on my server. Is there any ways to fix it? I would use some help. Keep p the great job.
@GeezusMcGandhi Жыл бұрын
I have the same problem and am looking for a solution. There is a temporary fix: if you reload the chucks (either relog or leave and come back) the villager pathfinding takes a minute to start up so then the minecart will pick them up. Not ideal
@ZayxDraft Жыл бұрын
Didnt knew i wanted something like this but its so cool so now i dont want it... i NEED it!
@NickolasBerdzenishvili Жыл бұрын
Man this is amazing trading hall! Sure i will not build it :D Little bit too complicated
@seventhtenth2 жыл бұрын
personally im going to go with etho's villager conveyer
@grezamisoit2 жыл бұрын
Nice but I already know that the next version will be way faster ^^
@I.m_glad_you.re_here2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Let’s wait for that! 😂
@zawarudo1818 Жыл бұрын
my villagers are not taking their jobs when i put the jobsite block in front of them. i tried both, a slab and a trapdoor, but they only take their job very infrequently
@jacobearl88472 жыл бұрын
Would the player drown when using the end gateway trade?
@augustomarsella2415 Жыл бұрын
May I ask ,witch texture pack, or mod are you using for your rails and tools to look 3 dimensional???
@monolouge19442 жыл бұрын
I tried making the trading hall but made the rail to the automated villager counter shorter. And now the minecart won't let the villager unload at the water stream. I suspected the minecart didn't do the wiggle because the soul sand wasn't being detected so I destroyed it and put it back down, but my minecart still won't wiggle at the end. Should I consider using another form of unloading system? I also noticed there was some issue when it reaches night, where the baby just sleeps in the bed instead of dropping.
@monolouge19442 жыл бұрын
Nevermind, it was an honest mistake of not using the activator rail haha ;-;
@ba-devil_archon6344 Жыл бұрын
I found that the signal from the lectern at the enchanted book storage does not reach the last storage slice (the one you would reach on page 15). I did not change anything about it before testing it. is one extra storage slice added on accident or is there a small mistake in the redstone ? I personally suck at redstone so I can't figure this one out for the life of me. There are 16 storage slices but the lectern outputs a signal strength of 15 on page 15.
@TheJacklikesvideos Жыл бұрын
0-15 is 16 different values
@Weromano2 жыл бұрын
Redstone engineers literally building the matrix for Villagers in Minecraft.
@jorgeeduardoreynoso6790 Жыл бұрын
Does this works in 1.19? Ik the world it's for 1.19.2 and I back port it but um idk for example the villager breeder doesn't work cuz the babies get stuck jumpojng on the beds lmao
@micromannn Жыл бұрын
i have the exact same problem, anyway to fix it?
@micromannn Жыл бұрын
oop just found it out, ur villagers probably arents in minecarts, when you look at the design they have to be in minecarts ontop of the trapdoors but in the beds
@jorgeeduardoreynoso6790 Жыл бұрын
@@micromannn they are in minecarts but the baby spawns in between the bed and then decided to go up like it never falls
@jorgeeduardoreynoso6790 Жыл бұрын
@@micromannn Hey man my problem was that the villagers weren't in their respective corners so yeah thank you
@jorgeeduardoreynoso6790 Жыл бұрын
@@micromannn But now my problem is that the vullagers dont get linked to their work station, mayeb is a problem for 1.19?