Vim vs Neovim in 2021 - What's the difference?

[@nicktheclicker]

Great video, as always. I'm currently using CoC with Neovim so I'm very much looking forward to your video about setting up the native LSP.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Coming soon!

[@crix_h3eadshotgg992]

“CoC” Clash Of Clans???

[@MS-el8wj]

@@FunctionalIndustries ??

[@rud___boy]

Transitioned from vim to neovim a while ago. Thought it would be harder but my setup was fairly simple. Kinda stumbled along treesitter's amazing syntax hilighting and it was like something clicked in my head. Great video btw!

[@window.location]

When the world needed him most, he returned.

[@thaddaeusmarkle1665]

Great username btw!

[@paede96]

I switched to neovim a few months ago and I am *very* happy with that choice. Many things have gotten noticeably faster

[@Greenindragon]

3:57 can't wait for that tutorial on setting up LSP!

[@FunctionalIndustries]

The LSP itself is not that hard but all the options for interacting with it are very imposing!

[@peteryates308]

This was really interesting, thanks. Subscribed. Also if you want ligatures in your terminal give Kitty a try - it's rather good.

[@gautamprikshit1]

And it's fast

[@jenkinssawyer901]

what is the chill jazzy song you are using for this background @Calin Leafshade - Linux & Productivity Videos ?

[@FunctionalIndustries]

I'm not sure actually. It's some stock music from Epidemic sound. If I find the original file, I'll let you know the name.

[@robertozapata3407]

I've found that the music is: Guustavv - Shoe Shinin

[@svetly_]

Man I love your voice and editing. Keep it up.

[@zeocamo]

i LoVe Neovim, i get all the things i need from the IDEs out there without the bloat, it is fast, and i am fast, i am 11x dev compare to the IBM guide for avg dev speed, and without neovim this can't be done... so if you are new to vim, it take 1 weeks to learn to use it in the speed of you old editor, and a month to get use to the movement in vim. but when you made the perfect config/plugins, you start just think things and it just happen, it is great.

[@LudoTechWorld]

I though it was once again one of those video where you hear that vim is developped by one person (it's not true of course) while neovim by a lot, or that neovim has x% less PR so it means that it is better, etc, etc, with little or no words about the real differences. I'm glad I was wrong! A very informative and very pleasant to follow video. I'm using neovim right now but I'm at the beginning of my journey so I will follow closely this channel. Thank you!

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Thank you, what a lovely comment.

[@robolist2277]

What were those screenshots of the non terminal nvim guis? Particularly the first one editing swift looked really cool.

[@sarundayo]

I know you're busy but keep them videos coming Calin! :33

[@mishrasidhant]

Great video. Subscribed. Looking forward to the lsp config

[@matthewstott3493]

Lunarvim has a wonderful isolated opinionated build of neovim configuration that won't stomp all over your existing neovim configuration. There's a sub-git repo called "Neovim from Scratch" along with YT videos covering it by Chris@Machine who works on Lunarvim that is very well done.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

I'd like to do a video comparing some of the neovim "distributions". I'll add Lunarvim to the list. (It was probably already on the list)

[@esra_erimez]

Came for the background music, stayed for vim/neovim comparison

[@lvgsredarmy8776]

What's the song you used as the background for the video? Glad to see you're enjoying Neovim as much as a lot of the rest of us in the Neovim community are 😃

[@robertozapata3407]

I've found that the music is: Guustavv - Shoe Shinin

[@lucianochadru4064]

You convinced me to go neovim for now on. Great vid! Thank you.

[@jorgebefanperez1531]

Quick question, at 3:23, what colorscheme is that? Great vid, using built-in LSP, not going back to CoC, seems quite solid and performant. Happy to see some NVim love!

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Thats not my setup but I believe it is Zephyr: github.com/glepnir/zephyr-nvim

[@sussusamogus7831]

great video sir, you explained everything thoroughly and in an interesting way

[@technophile7024]

Background music tells you your number of marriages never ends!

[@andreashadjoullis3037]

great video. Very informative

[@snipzmattio5887]

Couldn't agree more. Good video, you talk with accuracy.

[@TehGettinq]

nvim 0.5 was a game changer. I still find the lsp configs for different languages to be messy and painful (installing a new language server is super easy but configuration for different servers can be a pain depending on the language (cpp was a painful if i recall properly)).

[@lawrencelim9331]

Homie, your videos are brilliant

[@scotth8828]

I'm currently learning Vim, does neovim function as vim with these extra functionalities? Can I use neovim for learning vim?

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Yes, practically from a beginner perspective there is no difference between vim and neovim.

[@scotth8828]

@@FunctionalIndustries well then, I gotta check this out!

[@casperdewith]

Cute music. What is it called?

[@0xssff]

>"there are some truly lovecraftian examples of vimscript being contorted out there on the internet" ahahahaah indeed .

[@esra_erimez]

By the way, your voice is *so* ASMR

[@FunctionalIndustries]

You're so kind, thank you.

[@jacobkoziej]

Welp looks like I'm switching to neovim once the semester is finally over ;)

[@Asdasxel]

I am doing it now instead of actually working on school projects for this semester. It's a great form of procrastination I really recommend it!

[@jawuku3885]

Is Vim9 script still in development? It would be interesting to see how they compare in speed.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

It's unlikely to be anywhere near as fast as LuaJIT but there is this project which is kind of fun: github.com/tjdevries/vim9jit

[@PictorialPlanet-]

Great vid! Thanks !!

[@travisb1757]

side note....it would be cool to have a desktop backfroung image that moves like this videos background.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

I made a video about that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGnVmWyjaNyCoM0

[@THEMithrandir09]

KZbin algo brought me here. I use vim plugins in regular IDE's because I do lots of remote work in either containers or other machines and I have never got a better setup for that than what VSCode does. But many vim features don't even work in the plugin, so I have been eying neovim for a while but haven't got around to try it yet. I guess it's time now.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Neovim is in a great place at the moment. I highly recommend it Mithrandir! Gellon len covad. Nathlo na I KZbin Channel!

[@mika8145]

Summary: Want an advanced text editor that is available everywhere? Use regular vim. Want a terminal based IDE that is aiming to be VS Code? Use neovim.

[@sarundayo]

Besides Vim or Neo-Vim... Jazz or Black Metal? :')

[@FunctionalIndustries]

I definitely lean further towards jazz than black metal. Although I think I owned a Cradle of Filth CD at one point.

[@christophegerard6012]

Music?

[@VioletJewel1729]

Thanks for not spouting outdated rhetoric.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Trying to keep information on these things up to date and valid is hard but I try my best.

[@MrEo89]

I run nvim in terminal and have indent guides, ligatures, the whole nine yards! (and there's a minimap you can get as a plugin too. )

[@FunctionalIndustries]

You can get approximations of most of things in a terminal but certain things (like a properly rendered minimap) are impossible in a terminal because there simply isn't the resolution but yea, you can mostly make do with a terminal and I use neovim in a terminal just fine.

[@a_maxed_out_handle_of_30_chars]

good video

[@MuStevenPlay]

Subscribed bro

[@alfkh]

2 b very nice, i would say FORGET abt neovim, the installation is alr (very) buggy. i have tried on an almost brand new installation of ubuntu 22.04 LTS & its failed with many "unmet dependancies." vim on the other hand never gives me such irritating error messages; vim always JUST WORKS!

[@OGPimpin]

To me it seems like the difference between irssi and weechat in terms of text editors

[@limitless1692]

Atom is dead due to Microsoft .. And I am looking for a new code editor, that will not break my heart again :( I am still not sure, between Vim... or NeoVim...

[@noblesavage149]

*emacs

[@FunctionalIndustries]

You little scamp.

[@jamieg2427]

at the end of the day, syntax highlighting is not that important. neovim embedding looks great though. 🤔

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Yeah, I totally agree that it's not that important but at the same time I don't think I'd ever want to code without it.

[@mandos22]

Treesitter is not only syntax highlighing, it creates AST for file, I saw some neat things with AST Treesitter nodes modification and most important TS language grammas is created outside NeoVim environment, same as Language Servers.

[@jamieg2427]

@@FunctionalIndustries i've tried a minimalist highlighting scheme---which of course is still highlighting. i found it really easy on the eyes and still gave an immediate sense of structure. it was something simple like bold key words to discourage typos, grayed comments, colored TODO.

[@AndrewErwin73]

neovim = no askpass... can't save read only files. I will stick with vim. I can do everything in vim that you can do in neovim PLUS I can save readonly files.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

It was decided not to support that functionality because of some unpleasant side effects. You can use the suda.vim to get the same functionality in neovim if it's important to you. As a developer rather than a sysadmin, it's not something that bothers me on a day to day basis.

[@AndrewErwin73]

@@FunctionalIndustries i sort of have to both. But, since I posted that I have received a couple of messages regarding workarounds for that. So, I might be a neovim user after all.

[@TheLinuxCast]

This was a great video. Subbed. (HexDSL sent me here)

[@FunctionalIndustries]

Thanks for the sub. I've subbed back. Nice channel.

[@deborahperro7751]

Can somebody help me because this blog is not about a person or an animated object it is a real person and I am being severely abused

[@folksurvival]

Weird intro.

[@CaptainWumbo]

tbh I find the neovim folks irresponsible and immature in the technical opinions and direction. You can point to xyz that neovim has, but vim is an editor designed around interop, you're not supposed to do everything in vim. As an aside, it just gets harder and harder to work with folks who depend on lsp. They don't know how to organize or write human understandable code, they hit the limit of what lsp can do to make things easier and then nobody knows what's happening. you haven't removed coupling or dependencies just because you nested calls across 20 files... Just made it a requirement to use jump to definition 20 times to understand it. LSP doesn't prevent well written code but it sure does give crummy devs the tools they need to make a huge mess.

[@FunctionalIndustries]

C developer?

[@kzhang9243]

furst

[@MrG0CE]

NEOVIM TERMINAL IS NOT INTERACTIVE !!! AND THIS IS A MUST FOR ME WHEN COMPILING ! SO I GOT BACK TO VIM :P

[@FunctionalIndustries]

I think a terminal tab *is* interactive but bang commands aren't. This is to keep the experience consistent across different interfaces. Instead of :shell or :! you can use :term which *is* interactive and spawns a real tty

[@MrG0CE]

@@FunctionalIndustries THAT'S THE PROBLEM, I DON'T WANT A TTY, OTHERWISE I WOULD COMPILE IT IN A SEPARATE TERMINAL. I NEED A QUICK INTERACTIVE :! TO COMPILE IT QUICKLY AND KEEP WORKING :/