Vim vs Neovim

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[@adamsteeber]

I only use vim because I opened it 15 years ago and never figured out how to get out.

[@pxolqopt3597]

just unplug pc from wall thats how I do it at least

[@douwehuysmans5959]

Congratulations on becoming a random number generator

[@KinktendoShamecube]

Same. Typing this from vim right now

[@kovoneka]

HAHAHH🤣

[@eternally_sarcastic]

HAHAHAHA WHAT AN ORIGINAL LINE

[@jackzfr1650]

I stumbled into this short out of nowhere. No idea wtf he's talking about. However I'm intrigued.

[@thisisreticent]

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

[@mattlutz1105]

He’s talking about Linux command line based code editors!

[@ForeverZer0]

@@mattlutz1105 It is for Mac and Windows also, though but I don't think it has a lot of appeal to users of those platforms. If their code editor doesn't use at least 2 GB of memory and 8 cores maxed out for 3 solid seconds just to open a blank window, they aren't interested.

[@ckpioo]

​@@mattlutz1105 it's not linux only.

[@samarthnagar2939]

Hello how are you on this subject now

[@reggienotorious6824]

So this it’s what it’s like when non car people hear me talk cars

[@gownerjones]

Not the car people

[@baranjan6969]

"Text editor people"

[@ivanheffner2587]

Yes. “DOHC, turbo, fuel injection” to a gear head is the same as “LSP, TreeSitter, Lua” to NeoVimmer.

[@saluting]

Omg is that PirateHardware?!

[@j.lucasdecastroaraujo761]

Underrated comment and joke

[@saluting]

​@@j.lucasdecastroaraujo761 I'm proud of that joke

[@bryantony9836]

😂 good one

[@zachsilby4569]

How did I get here from Warhammer painting tutorials?

[@justsomeguy8385]

The lord works in mysterious ways

[@markusklyver6277]

bruh

[@user-cx3bf6ew2o]

Its the omni-messiah speaking to you

[@EugeneWong-li9qu]

The calling from Omnissiah

[@thebluriam]

You chose NeoVim over Vim because it has the word Neo in it and it makes you the chosen one, duh

I have done lua on multiple occasions and to me it still feels like this ancient arcane thing. But it's way better than vimscript 😂

[@bougatayaabdoullah]

treesitter: everything about it is fantastic. Few moments later. It's Treeshitter Oh F...

[@Bhanukamax]

I choose: - Dired (a full featured file manager) - Magit ( what neogit dreams to become and fails to deliver. Fugitive is not bad though ) - Elisp ;)

[@MH_VOID]

Man of culture. Much as my general programming experience translates far more to Lua than to Elisp (and Lisps in general), I strongly prefer the latter over the former. And now eglot and treesitter are in Emacs core, so neovim's arguments here don't hold weight. I should actually start using dired and magit instead of a bunch of zsh aliases though...

[@Bhanukamax]

@@MH_VOID I still use my zsh aliases like `ggpush -u` `gup` , but magit is pretty good for things like interactive rebase, or even just adding, committing, pretty much everything else. And dired is pretty great, I use it for most file operations I do, even outside programming, you can now even drag and drop files from and to it.

[@DarthVader11912]

Same

[@aziz0x00]

To be fair, Treesitter can be so much of a pain with python indenting

[@iSaac-kp5lk]

To be scary, you're wrong...

[@aziz0x00]

@@iSaac-kp5lk i dont think so

[@evergreen-]

Will Treesitter ever come to vscode?

[@SownJevan]

​@@evergreen-it does have an extension for it.

[@husboy1]

indentation-based syntax is a pain

[@remrevo3944]

VSCode does **not** have real Treesitter integration. IIRC there is a extension that uses LSP to provide Treesitter, but even that is experimental. Most of VSCode still relies on TextMate parsers.

[@Rustmilian]

VSCode is Electron junkware imo.

[@enriqueleon4806]

The problem with neovim is that some extensions are so fucking heavy while vim you can run it whenever you wanted through ssh in a 32 bit old computer or in your old smartphone through termux.(I used both) Update: Everything you could run with ssh but my point is that I used neovim in my 64 bit computer and 2 ram and is almost useless is better vim in that case...

[@ougonce]

Huh? If you're running it over ssh that doesn't matter, since the program is being run on the server not the client.

[@enriqueleon4806]

@@ougonce jaja good point my bad

[@dv_xl]

I mean, you can also disable the plugins

[@enriqueleon4806]

@@dv_xl that's a good point bro but sometimes you really need plugins to run it or new version of neovim that is not available in the 64. 2ram version or 32 bits

[@adonespitogonaif]

Neovim is just like vim without extensions

[@Radical_09]

when did treesitter become fast on big files

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

He converted me. I was hesitant to move from VIM as I heard horror stories about setting up neovim, but it’s really not bad. Followed his setup vid and haven’t looked back.

[@eliphazbouye]

He sell just neovim but vim is better

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

@@eliphazbouye Having used both I definitely prefer neovim. The lsp support is nice and the lua setup is really smooth. No vim script in sight 😊

[@VoyivodaFTW1]

Laughs in lazyvim

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

@@VoyivodaFTW1 the plugin manager or the whole shebang? I like the plugin manager a lot but enjoy the customization options of doing my own set up. Though what I’ve seen of LazyVim is quite nice.

[@FrankJonen]

Telescope really for me. I now want telescope everywhere. Could use some recommendation for auto completes though. On MacVim I had Willard or Walter or something like that.

[@AhmadMughal1]

Lsp suggestions and some LuaSnip in cmp should be enough for auto suggestions

[@casadogaspar]

As a long term Vim user who recently changed to Neovim, can´t agree more, loving every moment using it.

[@boredandagitated]

If I were to invest time into learning Neovim , can I then transfer those skills to using Vim when I SSH into a Linux machine and don’t have Neovim on it? Like my school has a Unix server we’re not allowed to install stuff on, but Vim is there.

[@casadogaspar]

For sure, well you will not have the plugins that you probably will install on your neovim, but all vim motions will be there and that’s enough.

[@couscousdude2991]

@@boredandagitatedYeah for sure, you wouldn't be able to transfer your lua-based configuration but as long as you don't rely on any crazy plugins in neovim and stick to built-in vim motions almost all of your muscle memory and skills will transfer. Personally I just use quality-of-life plugins to provide autocomplete, LSP integration, and file management stuff, but I can hop into a standard vim installation over ssh and edit with pretty much the same efficiency.

[@r_tard]

Thanks nerd

[@ivanheffner2587]

Wrong channel.

[@brinckau]

Why do I have the feeling that you use the Scratch language?

[@Max-bh8tg]

Treesitter fast on big files hmmm

[@PedroOliveira-sl6nw]

I would love to watch a video on how to config everything from scratch (based on your recommendations)

[@sjeffrey01]

I used VIM back in college early 90's. I wonder how much I remember.

[@lindhe]

Yeah, LSP support is a real killer feature.

[@rehanshah4262]

no thanks, I do not want my index to start at 1

[@mrbutish]

Simple is often best. Vim is simpler

[@ARVash]

Lua is pretty nice

[@victorp.r.muller6614]

I agree

[@egor.okhterov]

These lines started dangerous formation

[@camilotello3296]

Visual Studio Code is amazing with Vim keybindings :)

[@R0CK3T_DEV_]

this video makes me want to try out neovim but I'm 90% sure I'll just stick to VSCode

[@prethammuthappabs2241]

None just use helix 🙌🏻

[@renegade5942]

Are docs getting better?

[@prethammuthappabs2241]

@@renegade5942 i mean it's good, it's enough to get you started tho, for configuring i usually check out other people's GitHub config files

[@Rustmilian]

​​@@renegade5942 Docs? What's there to change? Theme and Keybinds? Already covered. Plug-ins? Doesn't exist yet.

[@MH_VOID]

Emacs*

[@Rustmilian]

@@MH_VOID My hands can't take the sort of abuse

[@TheMurinDeventa]

I have performance issues with treesitter

[@wilville3752]

It causes a metric shit load of lag on large latex files makes my whole laptop freeze up in class

[@brinckau]

Try using a supercomputer. That's what you need to edit a text file, nowadays. I suggest a Tianhe-2. You can get one for less than $400,000.

[@TheFerdi265]

I love those things about neovim! The only gripe I have with the neovim ecosystem is that it's quickly turning into a place with huge extensions with unclear release schedules where most package managers like lazy just take the lastest commit. I will say that lazy does a great job listing the commit logs for the packages though.

[@AhmadMughal1]

You can pin lazy to use stable versions but it comes down to the plugin when it last released a version

[@canxel11]

Quick question. What is a vim?

[@deviantsemicolon618]

Text editor. Exactly what the name sounds like. It edits the text of a file. You need one to program anything.

[@razorstone3088]

Nice

[@yash1152]

oh yeah, one missed: i guess better codebase so might be easier to tinker (if someone is into that thing).

[@deanvangreunen6457]

Vscode on typescript file bugs out, on large tsx file syntax highlight and intellisense can take up to 10 seconds 😂 still use ut tho

[@bigl9527]

Unfortunately, TS slow when handling dart files. I am not sure whether it's the TS or the dartls fault.

[@RecreationalNuke]

I'm not sure if prime just said something positive about Lua, but if so, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone actually decent at programming say something positive about Lua

[@Ikxi]

i still dunno what motions are

[@vikingthedude]

Is treesitter built into neovim? I thought it was the plugin nvim-treesitter. Can’t vim also have treesitter through a plugin?

[@gamalalejandroabdulsalam904]

I believe in Helix, just hoping its documentation gets better :/

[@lukealadeen7836]

I use emacs

[@yamogebrewold8620]

I like VS Code

[@unixux]

Treason I say

[@zahawolfe]

pretty much the only reason to use vim is if you're ssh'd into a server and need to look around logs and such. I don't see a reason you'd use it for writing code besides maybe a quick bash script

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

I would have said the exact same thing 10 years ago.

[@ivanheffner2587]

Tell me you don’t know how to use vim without saying you don’t know how to use vim.

[@brinckau]

It's the opposite. To write a quick bash script, you don't need an editor that is powerful, fast, universal, customizable, etc. Windows Notepad would be enough to write a quick bash script. You want vim precisely when you need to do more than write a few lines of bash script.

[@aserboard]

Sublime

[@deudz]

yuck yuck gui

[@Rustmilian]

Neovim & Helix

[@NaCl-e]

My man really out there saying the best things about neovim is lsp, typescript and lua 😂 /s

[@nekoill]

Also, Neovim plays way more nicely with plugins and transparency

[@AD-nm7ne]

VI

[@IgorGuerrero]

TS is not fast on big files, the previous regex based highlights are way faster. in fact you should disable it on big files

[@WillDelish]

I just don’t want to learn Lua to only config my coding env 😖

[@Drummerx04]

Lua is also an embedded language commonly used in game APIs and wireshark or other embedded configuration needs. It has a very concise standard library and is weirdly full featured for being so tiny, and it is surprisingly fast.

[@zebraforceone]

I'm not doing it. You will not make me bend to the ways of neovim. No matter how much neovim posting there is, I will not convert. Neovim cannot have my soul.

[@MH_VOID]

The church of Emacs welcomes you

[@spl420]

Stop preaching the ways of the old and embrace future, because if you won't - future will not embrace you either.

[@u9vata]

Exactly why I use vim instead: Not scripting much so vimscript totally fine, LSP I just do not use (actually against that whole shit to be honest) and not caring for treesitter :-)

[@someliker]

Why are you against LSP?

[@eug.bondarev]

VSCode + Vim motions = ❤

[@lalmeida66]

I think don't make sense to choose one or other, i daily use both. I use Vim while inside servers/bastions and Neovim while outside it, for my personal use and development.

[@gagagero]

Why use either when you can use Emacs for both?

[@lalmeida66]

@@gagagero Your comment don't make sense, because i can use vim in both. I am vim user and even i was emacs user i would use doom emacs for personal use and emacs while outside it.

[@gagagero]

@@lalmeida66 My point is that your environment isn't the same when you SSH and when you're working in the native environment because neovim doesn't have an SSH client.

[@uuu12343]

This might be cursed, but on top of those reasons, I chose Neovim because it ACTUALLY HAS a native nvim.exe executable, on top of a GUI-counterpart (nvimqt) Vim has only gvim, WHY, there's no excuse for that That alone made me sick because I have windows and linux machines, when I'm in windows, I also want to use vim so I switched to neovim once I got sick of gvim Also, oddly enough, gvim became incredibly slow after like 1.5 years, probably bottlenecked by vimscript

[@Noritoshi-r8m]

Nurrrrd

[@Necessarius]

It's ok i wil delete both

[@TheBearmoth]

I've been using Vim/Vim-bindings for almost 10 years but just haven't committed to switching to Neovim. One day....

[@spl420]

Well, you can use your vim config while using neovim

[@TheBearmoth]

@@spl420 since my comment, I've finally made the switch :)

[@spl420]

@@TheBearmoth 🎉 Congratulations! 🎉

[@Max-nr1bv]

Just to clarify. Is treesitter integrated to nvim now??

[@chezchezchezchez]

Did you ever get clarification?

[@Max-nr1bv]

@@chezchezchezchez no 🥲

[@saultube44]

[V]irus-like [I]DE [M]adness

[@nlmaster9811]

I’d rather edit assembly than lua NGL.

[@SirBearingtonSupporter]

Bro missed the reason for the fork… multithreading - eMacs has it but vim does not. Nvim has caught up with the times as has eMacs.

[@ougonce]

Emacs' threads are essentially useless unfortunately.

[@crides0]

As if Lua is a great language... but we need a DSL _anyway_ so, why add another when vim already has bindings to python/lua/ruby/perl etc.?

[@talhaabdurrahman9407]

There is no reason to choose Vim over NeoVIM unless you have never heard of neovim, NeoVim without any customizations is basically just vim

[@ivanheffner2587]

What is the default vi-like text editor on any random UNIX/Linux/BSD instance in the world? Learn how to use vi-compatible features and you never need to rely on plugins or the specific vimish fork the sysadmin installed.

[@maleldil1]

@@ivanheffner2587 While I agree that people sometimes rely on plugins to do stuff that you can do with default features, there's just _so much_ that can never be accomplished by default features alone.

[@EinfaII]

Emacs

[@poultwo]

Neovim wins thanks to Microsoft for making it’s Visual Studio LSP standard open source.

[@erosnemesis]

Neither. Use a real IDE

[@Omnifarious0]

It uses Lua instead of Lisp? Why would anybody do that?!

[@AhmadMughal1]

Because we have a life

[@UserName_False]

Blud tryna be thor 💀

[@bhavyakukkar]

Thor doesn't work at netflix

[@gazik0mamedov]

vi or no balls

[@KizukiKotataki]

no balls for me

[@no_name4796]

Vi and i will stop programming and start farming with my two balls intact ;-)

[@MH_VOID]

Emacs with some Nano

[@ivanheffner2587]

@@MH_VOID You’re a sicko. And I don’t say that because you suggested emacs.

[@dhawan177]

What is he talking about??

[@AaroRissanen-pi4td]

Vim and Neovim command line text editors.

[@xolvum]

How about "i uze neovim btw" isn't that a reason?

[@no_name4796]

Only if you use arch btw

[@coderswat]

VvN

[@KizukiKotataki]

Now that I took a look at it twice, it literally just meant V OR N lol

[@madarah8533]

I choose to uninstall vim and use nano instead

[@Chief-CO]

Nano

[@funkdefied1]

Micro

[@Redyf]

Eww

[@rahilprakash9045]

​​@@Redyfthe hell did elkowar make a text editor too

[@pxolqopt3597]

nano is the editor new to linux users use while they dont know vim motions to edit config files quickly in the terminal

[@mikereynolds1368]

I think the only reason nano is the default for many Linux distros is that it's lightweight and the instructions for the basics default to showing at the bottom of the screen. You can actually customize nano. Not that surprising really but I've never met anyone that used nano long enough to actually do it. One of the Linux yt'ers did a video on it last year I think it was.

[@mate_amargo2073]

No

[@maxf1542]

Just use helix. Works on every distribution. Which neovim doesn't

[@cmelgarejo]

2. Ts Why type script? Noooooooo😊

[@someman7]

AFAIK Lua sucks for string manipulation

[@Drummerx04]

I made a pretty solid xml dom parser using about 100 lines of lua. It doesn't natively support true regex, but its pattern matching gets pretty close and is quite flexible with gsub and gmatch. It's probably most strongly lacking in support for non ascii character encodings, so if that's the kind of processing you need it for, you'd need an external lib. So I guess it depends on what you mean by "sucks".

[@someman7]

​@@Drummerx04 Oof, my friend. Why?

[@Drummerx04]

@@someman7 short version, I ran into a situation where I needed to parse XML with Lua and it was faster to write my own solution than try to vet and incorporate an external library into the embedded environment I didn't have full control over. I knew that the input XML would be mostly well structured, so I didn't have to account for all possible edge cases while parsing it. But I just provided it as an example to show that the base Lua language is quite capable of manipulating at least Ascii strings. Though... it probably shits the bed if you are parsing multibyte character strings.

[@someman7]

@@Drummerx04 Not going to lie, I'm sticking with my opinion... and questioning your choices XD Sorry

[@Drummerx04]

@@someman7 yeah that's fine. Lua absolutely has its quirks and no one has to like every language.

[@pynimp]

lua... I love that word

[@Gunth0r]

My pronoun is vim.

[@tomasruzicka9835]

Why would you choose vim if you can use vimmode in more capable IDEs

[@katnax3059]

Fast. By using terminal and Neovim configured to your needs, you can be really fast at programming. Where Jetbrains IDEs are paid and VScode is slow. In my case, I can set up Server in my home and SSH into it from most Windows machines and use Neovim like it was directly in the Server. I'm not limited by comouter at my work where IT doesn't want to install anything.

[@MH_VOID]

It's very lightweight, and vim emulation is supposedly never quite right. IMO, use it, Nano, or perhaps emacsclient for quick edits to one or two files, and otherwise just use Emacs

[@TheNewton]

So Neovim for Lua because that gives ecosystem continuation to other system instead of proprietary over specialization.

[@MH_VOID]

Never heard someone call vimscript proprietary before. I suppose it's true for a certain meaning of the word

[@avondsch]

As an emacs user, it feels like a nobleman looking over peasants arguing about meaningless things. /s

[@Noctuloquor]

Neovim also compiles for 64-bit architectures.

[@GS12478]

OMG BRRRRRAZIL MENTIONED

[@AllanSavolainen]

I prefer JSVim, does all that but instead of poor Lua it has Javascript support.

[@jad_c]

wtf

[@ivannasha5556]

Emacs will rise again XD

[@Insignia-bv6gj]

vim and neovim is gay

[@MultieMalik]

Is it bec that you can't use neovim ?

[@MultieMalik]

Is it bec that you can't use neovim ?

[@MultieMalik]

Is it bec that you can't use neovim ?

[@Insignia-bv6gj]

@@MultieMalik i use emacs

[@MultieMalik]

@@Insignia-bv6gj do you know what I use .. I use scratch

[@firen0136]

Same camera angle, same writing/drawing app, same everything.... you are cheap copy of Thor my friend Edit: alright, sure. I should have known thus guy has been doing this format, sure. Like I can scroll through videos and shorts to the first point they both started this format and see that one of them started first. My bad. But you can't blame me for seeing the very obvious similarities in format. It looks very akin to a channel I follow and watch. Sorry

[@clayprice924]

Exactly what I thought immediately

[@Aoredon]

You found two things the same. One of them is the camera angle, which is essentially just the standard camera angle for anything. The second is the writing/drawing app, which is an open-source tool called Excalidraw, which everybody basically uses because there's no better alternative. Congratulations.

[@what1heh3ck]

​@@Aoredon he has been doing this for years. These stupid fandom is getting crazier and cringer just like any other minecraft youtuber fandom (and they still think they are somewhat superior 💀)

[@nealiumj]

He’s been doing horrible drawings for years 🤨 he’s not a copy, he just recently started doing shorts. So pipe down

[@Whateverworksism]

What a stupid comment, both of these guys have been doing this for ages. The boom in popularity of Thor exposed him to more people and unfortunately, as you are a sound proof of, that included a bunch of idiots, as is always the case.

[@gabtrzimajewski]

alternative title: why neovim is better than vim

[@RamensFiasco]

bro tryna be thor

[@protodot2051]

1. got it the wrong way around 2. It doesn't even matter cause the things I already know you're gonna try to compare with are generic to the point of not being worth pointing out

[@RamensFiasco]

@@protodot2051 gawk gawk

[@merdoderdoo]

Just use VSCode like a normal human being. It has every capability of making your life easier.

[@devarshihazarika4871]

Take a lot of salt with what he is saying about neovim

[@deezwhat2791]

Vscode is better now cry