Vinfast Reveals US Pricing of VF8 and VF9! Details, Thoughts, and Competitors!

#Vinfast
Vinfast reveals their pricing structure for the VF8 and VF9 here in the US.
Totay, I break it down for you, as well as take a look at 3 competitors to see how the pricing stacks up.
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[@MrGamerss99]

I think you are thinking too simple, electric cars now have a lot of technology applied to the car, you have to compare the technologies that are integrated on that car, Vinfast's car I see that there are a lot of very integrated technologies. suitable for everyone, you can't compare like a petrol car, you say it like all electric cars are the same :))) electric cars they are racing in technology, not cheap like gas cars

[@philng2197]

Echo that. The ID.4 AWD top pf the line is $50K, and not sure if its ADAS package is on par with Vinfast. Besides, Vinfast's overall design and interior matetial look high scale and futuristic IMO Ioniq5 or Kia EV6 are looking good but again the whole technology package that Vinfast put on seems above the rest of the field except for the luxury Tesla Y with a terrible build and quality 😊

[@2AntsBro]

Yes, agree with you. Not only price, should consider integrated tech. And after sale services as well.

[@philng2197]

For your information, Fisker Ocean Ultra at $50K is a beast with 340mile range, 17.1in display, huge sky roof, acc speed of 3.9sec going from 0-60mi, with many advanced AI safe driving and automation features

[@trieudinh8486]

When you are talking about "technology package" What make you think that ID.4 and Kia EV6 don't have competitive "technology package" ?

[@bachhunghoang]

@@trieudinh8486 because they come as option, not standard, or on par with the same level of asist

[@hoangdung9086]

Experts suggest that EV batteries often last from 10-20 years or theoretically last forever. However, EV battery degradation to below 70% is bound to happen at some point depending on the driving habits, charging habits, speeds, the temperature, road conditions, and more. As a result, several federal regulations require manufacturers to warranty EV batteries for 8 years or 100,000 miles to ensure the batteries hold at least 70% capacity. In reality, a Finish man's 2013 Tesla Model S after 8 years started showing error codes while the mileage display was less than 100,000 miles in December 2021, and the only fix was a $22,600 full battery replacement, which was half of the price the EV retails for, and his final choice was sadly to blow it up instead of replacing the battery! Here is the point, when you buy a Tesla, the price includes the battery, which mean you pay $22,600/8 years = $2,825/year or $235/month, plus an additional energy charge of $0.045/mile (per energysage) or $45/1,000 miles/month (the average American drives about 1,000 miles/month, according to the US Department of Transportation). Altogether, you pay $235/month + $45/month = 280$/month for the battery and energy charge to own a Tesla for about 8 years or with 100,000 miles. However, VinFast battery leasing program offers an unlimited-mile fixed lease option, you pay only $110/month for the 5-seater SUV VF8, and $160/month for the 7-seater SUV VF9. Remember these are fixed monthly charges, which means no monthly price changes for the life of the lease with unlimited miles. Also with the battery leasing program, VinFast backs its batteries with a lifetime warranty and says it will replace the unit for free once the battery capacity drops below 70 percent. This means a VinFast driver will NEVER ever worry about the $22,600 bill to replace the battery! In addition, VinFast offers a limited warranty coverage of 10 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first; and this is the longest warranty coverage ever done by an EV maker. VinFast is such a rare combination of BMW and Pininfarina! VinFast is a stylish, modern and premium EV at a reasonable price! The choice is now yours!

[@anthonyshurburn7560]

Now it makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for explaining it in an easy to understand way.

[@markn6941]

You should go explain this to all the Vietnamese trolls.

[@banlaai1437]

With the old new you mentioned above..... Do you wonder why Tesla are still selling million car a year? Don't tell me those buyers are stupid.....

[@alecscoff]

Hi Jon, glad I stumbled upon your page. You give a great breakdown of pros and cons without being bias. I hope the 3,000 dollar voucher can offset some of the pricing, otherwise, it's hard to compare on what's available on the market.

[@AllCarswithJon]

Welcome aboard!

[@CKPHH]

Keep in mind that, Vinfast car is more Hightech and more premium than most EVs available on the market today, most other EVs are basic in term of Tech. The Nvidia Vinfast is using is even faster than Model Y’s at 200Ghz.

[@markn6941]

$3k plus $7.5K for federal tax credits any auto company with total sales under 200K.

[@xxguchiwaraxx]

Vingroup Joint Stock Company is the largest conglomerate of Vietnam, focusing on technology, industry, real estate development, retail, and services ranging from healthcare, education to hospitality. They have been manufacturing cars, especially gas-fueled ones for about 4 years, and over 30,000 cars have been sold and used in Vietnam since 2018. In addition, VinFast is the fifth best-selling car brand in Vietnam. Over 6,500 units of VinFast Lux A2.0 executive sedan based on the F10 BMW 5 Series, had been sold and over 6,000 units of VinFast Lux SA2.0 premium crossover based on the F15 BMW X5, had been delivered. Fadil had been Vietnam's best-selling A-segment car of the year, with the most powerful engine of its segment and a full range of comfort and safety features, but the most well-known one was the VinFast President, which was a BMW X5 powered by a GM V8. This gave the President its own personality! Since October 2021 after VinFast initiated their EV production, over 100 electric cars VFe35 has been delivered in Vietnam. Moreover, VinFast EVs had been tested and they all met the NHTSA, Euro NCAP and ASEAN NCAP 5 star-ratings, which explained why VinFast has confidently joined all the well-known international auto shows from Paris, Los Angeles, Las Vegas to New York. As a result, saying VinFast had "no manufacturing expertise or experience, much less engineering a moving vehicle" is completely ignorant and baseless. From beginning with a goal of competitively selling cars especially EVs in Vietnam and globally, the company has relied on Siemens' expertise to utilize the latest technology. In fact, VinFast has teamed up with car manufactures from America, Europe and Siemens to build its automotive factory in 21 months, taking full advantage of the modern automotive technology to speed up their production while maintaining quality and reputation. Remember when starting to make its first EVs, Tesla did not have any experience in making cars, including gasoline ones, which explained why the very first Tesla cars had so many problems like Tesla doors jammed, unable to stop the Tesla cars even after hitting breaks, Tesla cars lost control after engines started. Just google them, you will see tons of them. By contrast, VinFast did have experience in manufacturing gasoline cars before making their EVs. In reality, VinFast has made not only electric cars like VF5, VF6, VF7, VF8, VF9; but also public electric buses (VinBus or eBus or smart Bus) with a battery capacity of 281 kWh, and the smart buses can travel between 220 - 260 km (130 - 160 miles) on a single charge, carrying 50-60 passengers at a time. Last December, VinFast launched a fleet of 100 - 200 smart electric buses in Phu Quoc, Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam, trying to achieve its goal of making greener cities in the country. I don't recall Tesla really making any public electric transportation! Everyone knows Hyperloop is just a pipe of dream. This explained why it's easy for VinFast with all the experiences to transform itself into a fully EV manufacturer. Transparent and open, VinFast information has been posted everywhere on the internet worldwide.

[@JHaviland1]

This company is known for doing things FAST, VERY FAST. It built the Vin University in less than 2 years and the school looks like it's been there forever. The school is a collaboration with Cornell and University of Pennsylvania that has a topnotch faculty and aspires to be one of the top schools in the world in the near future.

[@ThanhPham-fx6eb]

Yes, I agree with you! VFe34 ( VF5) was deliveri in Vietnam some months ago ( for domestic market) . VF5 pesuaded Vietnamese, who believe in the EU, American, Japan cars in along time before ! Back to the previous tine, Vietnamese was conquered by petrol car of Vinfast inspite of it’s price were not cheper than the imported car ( imported car in Vietnam has price X2 - 3 compare it price up to power/producer…)

[@donnguyen2553]

This guy is full of it, don't belief his bs.

[@conkhicon2008]

Dont know what u r trying to say here. Perhaps, u r trying to project Vingroup as a conglomorate with deep knowledge and experty in many areas even in technology? Yes, they r huge in real estate. Other than that, name 1 tech product that Vingroup is known for and/or with technology developed in-house?VinFast combustion car has been a joke. Vinfast just bought a whole BMW few generation past and re-badged it. It is now discontinued after just 5yrs on the market. Now it comes out EV. Can u share or name a technolgy which is owned/developed by Vinfast? Or Vinfast uses the same playbook of re-badging? Then it comes up with a batter leasing plan which is ridiculus. It's like buying a combustion car without an engine. Why cant they just include batter price to the final sale price? Because they know that will price their car out of range and uncompetitive. So they come up with this scheme as they are buying times to cut cost to stay competitive. This has always been their biz tactic. Vingroup tries to be everything to everyone, and the company's historical record shows that there are many misteps, recalled Vinsmart/Vinmart/Vin ect? Let's see how their EV performs in a few yrs before I put my $ down. There are plenty of choices out there coming from proven record, established brands. BTW, Toyota just unveils its BZ4X which is a direct competitor to VF8. For the same amount of $, I'll take BZ4X in a heartbeat.

[@mikeinsugarland]

Good luck finding a Mach-e at that $45K price .. you will be looking at least 2-3k dealerships mark up. So 4k differences + 2-3K mark ups + 3K evoucher give you about 9-10K savings with the VinFast. The direct sales model + the battery flex plan are another differentiators for this new age.

[@KevinlyFather]

A base SE of the Ioniq 5 starts at $41,200 and keeps winning all the car of the year awards. I'm really interested in the VIN fast but this decision is a no-brainer if there's an Ioniq 5 available. Can't wait to see the pricing on the 7.

[@KevinlyFather]

The caveat, of course, is finding an Ioniq 5 that isn't marked up several thousand dollars by the dealers. Hopefully Vinfast won't be doing that

[@nnnnnn9438]

@@KevinlyFather loniq 5, 168 hp... 41k. Vf8, 402 hp 41k

[@CKPHH]

@@KevinlyFather Vinfast only do Direct selling which eliminates the Dealer Mark-up.”, just like Tesla.

[@bachhunghoang]

@@KevinlyFather base on what they are selling their car here in Vietnam, i think they will undercut their competitor, my family bought almost all of their line up at the moment except for their flagship limited run President model, i'm driving one of their product right now, when i bought it, the MSRP was 82-83k$, the actual price i paid was 68k$, and that price stays the same for the last 3 or so years, they masked their true price with a lot of promotion, make newer customer think they paid way way less than anyone bought before them but in reality, it's not.

[@shaowlnkngfu3803]

Based price for a AWD ionic 5 is currently $49k

[@2cartalkers]

A battery lease is also a continuous money stream for Vinfast.

[@AllCarswithJon]

I agree, along with future subscritpions to some of their infotainment offerings. I'm not interested, but not opposed to it and I think it can offer a lot of value to some people. I elaborated on another comment I think VF is *way* ahead of the curve on one thing - and that is ownership of the batteries to recycle them. With the expolsion of EVs we'll see more and more complaints from environmentalists about the impact of used batteries, and I think VFs move here puts them 5-10 years ahead of others.

[@HaPham-ny2bn]

@@AllCarswithJon Can you put 20k in the bank and use interest to pay For the lease?

[@MrPip9999]

@@HaPham-ny2bn : you can use the 20K to pay for the battery lease for 8 years - Yes .. 20,000/8 x12 = 208.33 / month

[@CKPHH]

This Vinfast is a Luxury Car with Human Centric Technology. Of course Basic Evs is gonna be cheaper , if that’s what suits you. For People like me who like tech that help me work more efficiently and smart home control, this car marks all my needs and wants. Features come with a Price tag but it’s not too much. The Dual Motors used in this car are on the Sportier side , plus Free Adas and Smart service which mean free wireless connection. All in one package.

[@AllCarswithJon]

They keep saying it's going to be affordable luxury, and their tech offerings are cool.... but until cars are delivered and you can compare them side-by-side with competitors, 'luxury' is just marketing speak right now.

[@CKPHH]

@@AllCarswithJon they can’t say too much. We’ll see. I ordered mine when they first released the Reservation.

[@shaowlnkngfu3803]

You mentioned the VW id.4 but the $41k is for the rear wheel drive only. The AWD is about $46k. The base model V8 come with AWD, dual motor standard and is far sportier then the id.4 which has had some lack luster reviews when it comes to performance. Also, you mentioned the Mach E and again ignored that the price you are referencing is single motor, RWD. The most inexpensive Mach E AWD starts around $58k. If you're going to try to make comparisons at least make it apples to apples here If the Vinfast fit and finish live up to what we've seen so far, $41k for a dual wheel drive, feature filled EV is pretty damn good.

[@AllCarswithJon]

I was comparing base-spec vs base price. I hesitate to try to compare similarily equipped prices because at the time of recording (or even now) final equipment and the actual performance of that equipment on the Vinfast is unknow. Heck, in the initial drives the cars don't even have regenerative braking. Also if we want to do apples to apples then also consider the VF doesn't include the battery price. The first model year (or 2) they will only come with a battery lease, but VinFast is planning on later model years to offer the battery as a purchase. That's expected to be in the neighborhood of $10k. So that ID4 may still be less expensive, perhaps less exciting, and maybe less equipped with tech, but also less expensive. Ultimately, we don't know who the VF will perform, the quality, the tech so apples-to-apples is impossible. Besides, my point in this video was the VF seems a bit less expensive, but not exactly a raging bargin.

[@NanoSchaap]

Good video. The battery lease program is a bit wonky. I get all the math part. But wondering how many buyers will keep the car past 10 years? As others mentioned. Technology is changing rapidly and like computers it would be more valuable to get the new enhancements after say 4 years. So how can you sell the car to a third party and convince the buyer to engage on a lease for a used car?

[@AllCarswithJon]

Thanks. I agree, there is more information to come, but keep in mind by about 2024 they'll offer the option to buy the battery too.

[@bachnguyen4957]

How about 360hp dual motors awd (eco ver) from vf8 vs ~160-200hp single rwd motor from the ID.4 and the Ioniq 5? That's a lot different.

[@banlaai1437]

You probably did not know how many EVs are available in North America right? Just a quick look: Ford Mach-E Mustang Mach-E top of the line, with a 0-60 mph acceleration time of 3.8 seconds, 480 horsepower = 45,590 USD Kia EV6 GT-Line 320 HP = 50,900 USD Hyundai IONIQ 5, Top of the line 320 HP AWD = $54,500 USD Volvo XC40 = $59,950 CAD, 402 HP, 359Km Remember all those manufactures are well known and their reputation are well tested around the world.

[@bachnguyen4957]

@@banlaai1437 First, i replied the cars they mentioned. Second, the 360hp version comes with 40k only, and the 402hp is 47k. Third, the ioniq and xc40 is not even in the same segment with the vf8. Xc60 is.

[@bachnguyen4957]

@@banlaai1437 just remind you about this. The Mach-E GT with 480hp's starting price is $62k, not $45k. The select version with 266hp is already $44k

[@bachnguyen4957]

@@banlaai1437 ev6 wind awd $50.9k comes only with normal leather, not exclusive leather like the vf8 $47k version. The exclusive leather (and many other features) from ev6 comes only in $55.9k.

[@banlaai1437]

@@bachnguyen4957 Interior/exterior design are personal taste. In term of price, their batteries are included. In term of technology, people are driving them right now. VF8 and VF9 are no where to proved yet ...

[@patricklim909]

Upgraded battery but no battery 😔

[@JGtennistraining]

Hmm. I’m interested in the larger car.

[@georgeg2568]

Price aside, what's with the VF8 styling? The VF9 is a very handsome vehicle but, to me, the VF8 is very meh. Seems like it was designed while Pininfarina were on a break...

[@andrewnguyen7737]

I’m waiting for the V+ to come out…

[@tongzhang217]

after they starting sell on us the next will use byd's battery just like toyota did. I guess they allowed into us market one of the reason is use Samsung's battery.

[@jilldawson89]

BYD insists it is an independent company and not a tool of China’s government.

[@harold1901]

Hi Jon, i came across your video and it was interesting talking about the VF8. I was wondering if you have done any research on Fisker Ocean and what are your thoughts on it. I have put my reservation in on March 10th and now just finding out that they won't be building ocean sport at the end of 2023 or start of 2024. The only reason i went with them is the price of $37,499, $379 month lease and 30,000 miles a yr. All other ev's have a high mark up at dealers and they are out of control and charging extra for add- on stuff brings price even higher.

[@AllCarswithJon]

Sorry, I really haven't. I'm aware of it, I've read a bit about it, but I don't know enough to speak about it.

[@harold1901]

@@AllCarswithJon Ok, thank you for getting back to me!!

[@AllCarswithJon]

@@harold1901 my pleasure!

[@kevbrown1867]

The renting the battery part is confusing and I think it will turn off a lot of people.With a 10 year warranty and renting the battery sure you don’t have to worry about maintenance but how many people want to keep a car ten years ? The cars are nice looking but will have to be a very good value in terms of cost for someone to take the plunge on a brand new brand .The cars will be made in USA and I assume in a union factory so should get a good rebate to make more attractive. One thing never mentioned and as someone who has never had an EV is the cost to charge for example what does it cost in electricity to drive say 100 miles to compare to gas . Should be interesting if the Chinese EV will be let in that is where the real competition is

[@sirgardensalot]

I don't quite get what they doing why would you have 10 year warranty if you're going to charge for the battery, could you imagine if Ford come out and said that the F-150 Lightning was going to start at under 40,000 and you'll have to lease the batteries which will cost you extra.

[@dearbulls]

I agree, I don't think the price is worth it even with the 3k or 5k preorder discount, especially for what you see that VW and Hyundai/KIA offer with battery included.

[@jerryle379]

Will love to see your hand on of the car , for me the lease is not bad if they will replace it if it broke for whatever reason , thing with vinfast is they car price tend to drop fast to true price after awhile similar to smartphone , I will wait for few month before buy one

[@AllCarswithJon]

And I love love to lay hands on these two models, but I couldn't make it to the NYIAS.

[@donnguyen2553]

If you think Vincrap will replace if it broke for whatever the reasons, then you are in for an unending nightmare.

[@jamesdond1]

I live in Vietnam and this is going to end domestic sales in Vietnam which is sad. When they started a few years ago I was encouraged, finally a truly home-built vehicle. But sadly the grid power here is mainly from imported coal so throwing the motive power on the dirty grid makes no sense. This is clearly a bad decision to abandon their very nice ICE cars.

[@kevinn1158]

I would buy the ID4 AWD, EV6 AWD, Ioniq 5 AWD or the Fisker Ocean before these.

[@Vietboy85]

I don’t agree with you, you have to look into what the car have to offers, you can’t just talk about batteries and then come out with the conclusion. I think Vinfast is trying and for that I think the consumers will get the benefit of it.

[@AllCarswithJon]

Well since we're talking about a pre-production VF8 what's months away from being launched and doesn't even have one-pedal driving yet and where we just got the pricing breakdown - I say yes we can talk about it with the information we have at hand. and a company that's not including the battery but doesn't show a big savings over two of it's direct competitors (and I could have included the new Toyota too), we can form initial opinions. Any viewers to my channel know I keep up and can change my opinions as more information comes available. Maybe when it's released it's so nice and so well-equipped it competes with the Tesla or Ioniq 5 (in which case it's a bargin). But we'll see when we get there.

[@alwin1468]

Buy a 4 cyl Kia save money only 19g 🤣 use the money u save to off set gas price lease the battery like my hot water tank 🤣then wait 4 weeks to fix 🙃 no dealership I can imagine how easy that is to get repaired even with all these dealerships all over the place and gas car is being old technology look All the hassle you go through just to fix your gas car imagine having to fix this electric car with no dealerships around we will probably just end up back in the Kia as a rental till this gets fixed

[@alwin1468]

Look lik mdx 🙂

[@2cartalkers]

All current EV manufacturers are shyting their shorts and trying to get their vehicles into customers hands before all the Chinese cars hit. The Chinese will undercut them, you betcha.

[@KP-xi4bj]

Who in their right mind would choose/buy anything made in China, EVs included? LMFAO SMH

[@2cartalkers]

@@KP-xi4bj You mean like your TV and iPhone? doh!

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@2cartalkers My Samsung TV is made in Mexico and my Galaxy phone is made in Vietnam.

[@Hoa....]

@@KP-xi4bj The biggest chips and components makers are mostly located in China, I bet that around 50 to 70% of the components of your TVs or phones are made in China The country that the product is made from are mostly in charge of assembling the components, not making those

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@Hoa.... You should do more research. Ninety percent of chips are made in Taiwan. The last time I checked Taiwan is not in China, it is an independent country.

[@hueduc]

Not cheap ,none sense to buy

[@tranthiduan9063]

nice 🚘 i love it .i hope i will have 1 vinfat car❤️

[@viking1au]

Low range on all of them.

[@pacificislander8503]

Battery subscription is a NONO 4 me

[@bh2155]

Who wants this garbage! We already have enough of those shitty SUVs already! Btw these vehicles are too expensive

[@OreoSpeedwagon825]

The $4000 savings is equivalent to 10 year lease for the flex plan. I’m sure in 10 years you would have to replace the battery which is $21000. You also forgot about the $3000 voucher for early adopters and the additional technology. VINFAST Is another option and with competition the price will lower eventually. The plus model is cheaper than any model out on the market and provides ventilated seats more horsepower and panoramic roof and the technology. It’s easily cheaper than ant non Tesla brand. Yes they are expensive but you will have this car longer due to the lease option.

[@trieudinh8486]

In US, I have not seen any one buying a car and driving only 500Km/m. So the flex lease package is a joke in US. For the minimum Vinfast fix lease package, it costs $1320/yr --> $13,200/10yr...... The inflation and cost increase year after year is not calculated here.

[@bachhunghoang]

@@trieudinh8486 let's do some math shall we, compare to a Tesla Model Y, you paid 15k$ less up front, base on your calculation, after 10 years, it's still 1.800$ cheaper, if you put in the cost of replacing the battery on both, add 21.000$ on the Model Y and after 10 years, the Vinfast is 22.800$ cheaper. It's a simple math

[@trieudinh8486]

@@bachhunghoang Why do you compare with Tesla? Vinfast does not have a chance to match with Tesla. There many other EV out there like EV6, Mach-E, IONIQ5, bZ4X.... which are more suitable to match with VF8.

[@markn6941]

@@trieudinh8486 I commutes around 600 miles a month so if I go with the VF9 flex plan, I'm only paying around $90 a month plus around $65ea in electric cost(My Lexus GX460 is around $240 in gas) After my batteries degrades in 10 years it will get replace for free with new batteries technology . I will drive it for another 10 years.

[@bachhunghoang]

@@trieudinh8486 why not buddy, why so salty? If you feel that salty? Drink some water if you have some.

[@teslapool3165]

I reserved the V8 and has a 3k voucher for the price total price to buy plus the $7,500 tax credit thats a total of 10k thats my logical reasoning so far to try them, yes they are a brand new company here but time will tell

[@AllCarswithJon]

And that makes it a bargin in my opinion. I excluded any discussion about the voucher or tax credit because those are limited-time or volume. If you take delivery and your vacation in Vietnam, I want to hear about it!

[@RichardKistnen]

Same here. I love my Model 3, but I have a baby on the way and we'll need a larger car to accommodate the 3 of us along with our 100lb dog. Model Ys are way too expensive right now. I was looking at the ID4 Pro S which seems like a pretty decent vehicle after tax credit. I also placed my reservation for Vinfast because of the reservation voucher, the tax credits, and a vacation. A lot of startups are releasing lofty whitepapers about products and tech, and then go nowhere. Vinfast, while not on the largest scale, has developed supply relationships and logistics, and I'm looking forward to seeing how that translates here with their new plant in NC

[@teslapool3165]

@@RichardKistnen Agree!! I had 3 Teslas a Model S, and 2 Model 3(ex wife and I) sold my Mode 3 2021 made 7,300 on profit and now have Toyota Rav4 Hybrid 48 mpg, I have the Vinfast V8 reserved but also a Fisker and Subaru Solterra and a Cybertruck, yes its. lot but I just go with whomever is my better alternative base on price, size range etc

[@pacificobernardo463]

You don't actually deduct the $7500 with the price of the car. What you need is a tax rebate. You should ask the company if they have that. Claiming the Federal Tax Credit A tax credit means an EV buyer will receive up to a $7,500 reduction in their tax liability for the year. But this is a flat credit, which means it is only worth the full $7,500 if the individual’s tax bill is at least $7,500. If an EV buyer has a tax bill of, say, $3,000 at the end of the year, the EV tax credit can only be a maximum of $3,000. The IRS will not go over and above this total tax liability figure, and in this example, the remaining $4,500 of the EV’s total tax credit will not be useable. Furthermore, that unused portion will not apply to future years’ taxes. Claiming the federal tax credit occurs when filing a yearly tax return. The IRS has included a section that addresses the purchase of electric vehicles. Like anything else tax-related, it is best to consult an accountant or tax expert to claim an EV tax credit correctly.

[@RichardKistnen]

@@pacificobernardo463 yep, that I knew, thanks for the share. I'm self-employed and always pay more than $10k in taxes each year, so in my mind it's just $10k that I can save on. W2 employees should definitely consult with an accountant to determine how the fed/state tax credits would apply

[@basketballgamedvds]

Stealerships were already out of control and now with EVs they have taken it to a new level, expect a 10k markup at Ford, VW and Hyundai the ladder of which are not made in the US. The software in the ID4 still doesn"t work properly and probably never will. Battery technology is constantly improving so down the road you at least have a chance to get better range with no degradation. It's my understanding Vinfast will use direct sales. I've been a Tesla shareholder since 2013 so I like the model Y comparison because no car company can compete with FSD and over the air updates. My wife however doesn't care about those features so I put my deposit on the VF8 for her. The $1,200 home charger incentive along with the ADAS and Smart Services Package are a big plus!

[@MrSteve925]

I like the battery lease idea. For Ev cars. Battery is main concern. I want the battery at top shape, where if you buy the battery, you will end up with a used up battery, just like the Nissan leaf where no body wants to buy it used when battery has 7 out 10.

[@ND559]

$13,500 tax credit for VinFast in California! This advantage does not apply for other mentioned EV cars

[@jpetm8520]

Keep in mind all other competitors except Tesla model y will have a pretty brutal markup thru its dealers.

[@AllCarswithJon]

For now. These markups won't last forever.

[@jap4499]

@@AllCarswithJon will this vehicle be sold at a VF dealer?!

[@AllCarswithJon]

@@jap4499 As I understand it, they'll have 'dealerships', but they're more showrooms. I've heard some mixed information but they appear to be going the Tesla route of showrooms/delivery but not dealers.

[@hnc521]

It does look 10k cheaper than competitors if the MSRPs stay true. I'm currently in the market for a ID4. A Pro S AWD at almost any dealerships in CO right now is around 53-56k. And let's not even mention about Mach E, best looking EV imo, but paying 10k+ over msrp is a big no.

[@larryevans6739]

The AWD Mach E of comparable horsepower is not $44k. That's for a RWD Select base model, which is down over 100 hp. You have to go to Premium trim and option the upgraded motor and AWD to get 2 less horsepower than the base Vinfast (all VF8's are AWD). That car starts at $57k.

[@rzwodzwo2470]

Hi Jon, it seems that VF has changed a lot with their pricing of the VF8 and VF9… New subscription plan, new base prices and prices with battery included instead of leasing the battery. Would love to see a video with your thoughts about it! I’m personally doubt that these new prices will work for them in the US market as a newcomer…

[@vikramdias5496]

I really like the look and design of the VF9, so I put a deposit down and an early adopter. Been reading a ton of reviews, and then opening 500 dealerships in California. This makes sense as it’s a heavy EV market. They haven’t said anything about configuring and building the car yet to your specs, Have they? I don’t see It on their website. When will the configurator go live? With the NC manufacturing plant, that’s a Solid move. The total costs don’t seem that bad, but I am a bit skeptical about the battery leasing program!

[@Cervantes6400]

Many EV cars that exist today like Tesla that have 70 percent or less battery life are now popping up at local used car lots. So if you buy one of those cars you will have to buy a very expensive battery sooner than you think? By leasing the battery you can guarantee a new battery whenever it reaches the 70% battery life in a VinFast… Ford had has had many cases with the batteries and you gotta wonder if it was covered free of charge under Ford warranty? So swapping a leased battery might be the best way to go? It will be very interesting to see what customers will be saying about this battery lease program by the end of ‘2022 and going into ‘2023? Just my own personal opinion on this subject.

[@TheChill001]

pretty good breakdown and a fair comparison... Jon you should've been an actual car journalist, been a while since I last seen someone do a constructive and objective comparison.

[@AllCarswithJon]

I can't tell you how much that means to me. I'm not creative enough to be a "real" journalist, but I can take my engineering background and talk numbers a lot, and if I get to add an opinion I'm happy to! :)

[@AnhHo-pq6df]

I think people out there want to hear different opinions, like me :) so Jon you can keep expanding what you are doing. I like your contents

[@TheChill001]

@@AllCarswithJon But that's just it, you always clearly state when it's your opinion, not a fact and visa versa. most car journalists these days are like film critics and game developers: they think their opinion IS fact. That's what makes your videos all the more interesting and fun to watch. (the look of cringe on your face when John says the reviewed car has a crisp acceleration of 14s between 0-60 is always a highlight xD )

[@AllCarswithJon]

@@TheChill001 hahaha.

[@rsetha01]

Why the hell would anyone opt for the smaller battery for a 500 dollar difference lol that's odd. Still excited to see where this goes

[@mrtuantik61102]

Do you know Iphone SE or iphone 13 mini??? i think you undersand...

[@AllCarswithJon]

Excited to see, and I agree. Needlessly complicating production and sales process in my opinion.

[@trieudinh8486]

@UCQo59vuTJM7cjZsWKoWUd3w By your calculation, Vinfast battery costs $1,320 - $1,920 per year. Assume average person drive 120000 miles in 10years. That means battery cost will be $13,200 - $19,200. ..So it is not much different from the Toyota RAV4 gas.... How much electricity does it cost for 10 yrs? What is the premium you pay for the EV?

[@nanaovitan]

Cool EV car 🚗🚗🚗♥️♥️♥️

[@donnguyen2553]

another Vinfast's

[@ZhongRenHuang]

Vin fast needs to understand the market and the way the us works, Americans don’t like to lease battery and pay subscriptions for battery because 70% of American don’t live in small condos like China or Vietnam, we have land and we like to control how much we charge. Battery subscription just won’t work here. Tesla tried it. Didn’t work for them. I like vinfast. I want it to be successful. So we can have more competitions to low down EV car cost. Please figure it things out before IPO.

[@AtulGupta-xz9tx]

How does the pricing not seem cheaper than with a battery to you? $61k for the 362mi range large SUV... what other EV SUV that size can you get with that range? All of the competitors are 75-90k. The Tesla is not comparable to the larger SUV at all. Also, the ones you mention (Mach E, VW, etc) are not really premium, it remains to be seen how premium the VF8 will be. The expectation is that the VF8 will be more premium than those cars.

[@danr1920]

Nope, not for me. A new company with new cutting edge technology, What could go wrong, except everything.

[@20luzer52]

Clearest and easiest to understand breakdown of trim and battery options I've seen.

[@AllCarswithJon]

Thanks! I tried to wrangle the numbers

[@seymorefact4333]

🇺🇸 leasing battery....hmmmm! Hmmmm! Still waiting for sub $30k bev from Toyota!

[@henrrytran1030]

Who would pay $50K for an UNKOWN NAME EV car and the lease on battery?

[@2cartalkers]

What happens if you want to sell the car or trade it in to another brand? WTF---battery---lease? This idea is DOA>

[@JHaviland1]

Any new idea takes time to be absorbed. Battery leasing reduces the true cost of buying and unless you plan to pay in cash, makes it easy for you to switch from ICE to EV. Consider that portion is being financed at 0% interest rate by VinFast..

[@AllCarswithJon]

Personally I don't think it's DOA, but it will be a non-starter for some people. As for what happens when you trade it, etc..... there's a lot of questions like that to find out.

[@juansanchez-ve5vu]

vinfast should include a battery when a person cancel there subscription

[@MrPip9999]

The main advantage of buying a Vinfast car assembled in the US is the tax credit of up to 12,000 dollars that the buyer can get from the US government for buying a green car made in the US which Volkswagen and Huyndai don't have.

[@anhvu7550]

where is your information?? his Vietnamese-built 5-seat electric SUV is eligible for a federal tax credit of $7,500.

[@MrPip9999]

$12,500 tax credit for Vinfast cars because the cars and the batteries both are made in the USA. 7,500 dollars tax credit is for just any new EV sold in the US. It is explained in the youtube below EV Tax Credits Explained | How EV Tax Credits Work - Krystal A. CPA

[@anhvu7550]

@@MrPip9999 Hyundai is still have tax credit.Isn't it?

[@sangkang6294]

These are the Yugo of 21 century.

[@TuDuyTaiChinh]

I think that vinfast car is so good to buy

[@hoanghoang6795]

I like it

[@chuniversity]

You are correct about that!

[@mloutherback]

Successfully breaking into the US market is not an easy proposition. Signed: Hyundai, Peugeot, Yugo, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Toyota Tundra, Fisker, etc., etc. This company won't exist in the USA in 2030.

[@vincen.3590]

A battery lease is a great idea because the battery degrades after 3-4 years as we have seen in Tesla's cars. I would choose the battery leasing program just for peace of mind.

[@isthisme-ct9fe]

vinfast coming to raleigh nc usa in 2024

[@AllCarswithJon]

Yep! I did a whole video on the plant announcement! I'm here in Charlotte and super excited for them to come to the State. Look forward to a plant tour someday! :)

[@donnguyen2553]

NC be aware. Vinfast will take you for a wild ride.

[@mvj1960]

Can you even buy a Vinfast EV if you don't live in California? I saw a video that it's ONLY available to comsumer in CA

[@natewynn344]

Can’t wait until your next video on the battery leasing.

[@AllCarswithJon]

It's up!

[@lightningloans]

You'll never own the car... pricing is horrible, you get trapped in

[@havenht]

Its too expensive for an unknown brand, it probably will fail.

[@LeVyLeKhanhLeDung]

Tôi nghĩ chính sách cho thuê pin là moitj bất lợi ban đầu, người tiêu dùng không dễ chấp nhận việc thuê pin nếu như họ chưa được giải thích rõ ràng về cái hay, cái lợi của việc thuê pin.

[@jiyxuan8269]

Nice car

[@hashimsalimi5009]

Cuz it's from Vietnam

[@2cartalkers]

Will Vinfast sell direct via online or use the dealership model? If they go the dealership route the dealers will surely price gouge and that will be all she wrote.

[@JHaviland1]

Direct sale. You reserve & order online.

[@AllCarswithJon]

They're signing up dealerships in California, so I think that answers it. Hopefully they learn from the mess dealers are putting customers through now and VF keeps a tight rein on them. Personally I think the dealership model is ripe for innovation.

[@2cartalkers]

@@AllCarswithJon With current franchise laws dealers can run amok in most states.

[@JHaviland1]

@@AllCarswithJon I don't know if they are 'dealerships' as we knew it. They are VinFast showrooms, operated and owned by VinFast, I believe. I have seen at least one in my town, San Diego. The store signs are there but opening is probably scheduled for end of May.

[@mrtuantik61102]

VF7 same same kia ev6, bz4x, volkswagen id4....

[@trieudinh8486]

Kia EV6 Range 499 km Horsepower 320 hp GT- Line - CAN$57,995 ----> $46,000 USD. This is a very good match with VF8 and this is battery included.....

[@2cartalkers]

60% of stated mileage is the actual range

[@HaPham-ny2bn]

First generation of vinfast EV vfe34 got 80% of what they said. It reached 200km against specs 250km.

[@MrPip9999]

It depends on how the driver drives the car: ECO mode or NORMAL mode. It also depends on the weather ouside: whether it is in Alaska or in Florida etc...

[@nguoiconxuquang33]

Vinfast là sự lựa chọn tốt nhất cho một chiếc xe của bạn

[@donnguyen2553]

another Vinfast's bs supporter

[@kyliefan7]

Good thing they got $Billions in the bank because the first year in the US is gonna be rough!! Right when Americans want less complicated car buying system Vinfast comes out with the most convoluted battery leasing program and other fees! I WILL PASS!

[@patriots7011]

Vincrap!

[@donnguyen2553]

Good one

[@pullman671]

Team ///

[@hoangky7660]

Cheap of the price but it's more costly for service, there no doubt!

[@trido3815]

Will Vinfast be around in 10 yrs? That is another risk that one has to consider. You cannot really buy a bunch of AAA from Costco to replace the degraded battery.

[@jonitan76]

very true.. if they sell less car... this company will not exist even in 5-7 years

[@007me6]

Vinfast never sale any car (gas or electric) out side vietnam teritory. Which country made the cars? The car quality, safety and technical specifications are questionable.

[@ThaoPhan-yf7be]

So great

[@donnguyen2553]

So BS

[@philn1601]

This is a Chinese car rebadged and made in VN.

[@binhbui4959]

Giving the evidence could be the best

[@ThanhPham-fx6eb]

VFe34 ( VF5) was deliveri in Vietnam some months ago ( for domestic market) . VF5 pesuaded Vietnamese, who believe in the EU, American, Japan cars in along time before ! Back to the previous tine, Vietnamese was conquered by petrol car of Vinfast inspite of it’s price were not cheper than the imported car ( imported car in Vietnam has price X2 - 3 compare it price up to power/producer…) Yoy suppose the Vietnamese is stupid men ?!?

[@trivietphamvan]

oh no, this car company is manufactured at the factory in Vietnam, it is very large and modern leading in the world. This car company belongs to a large corporation in Vietnam. Their cars sell a lot and are in the top 5 best-selling cars every year in Vietnam, the car drives very well. They have nothing to do with China. Vietnamese people do not like products from China, so they always boycott products originating from China. Vietnamese people always follow Japanese, American and European quality and they always follow that every hour. You can go to phobolsatv channel of a group of American journalists talking about this car company in more detail and many other media channels, I remember the channel of "supercar Blondie" she also talked about Vinfast a lot.

[@tonyduong70]

You don't read ?

[@henriksong-joongchoi6254]

This Chinese guy is spewing ignorant … I bet you can’t read !

[@SuleymanAkhundov]

I never heard about Vinfast until I stumbled upon this video. They are saying they have been making cars for 4 years? Not a huge term for a high tech production. Anyone can make a pretty concept to show around. But this brand has yet to establish itself. Obviously we have no quality or durability history. Do we know anything about the technology they use in their batteries? After-sale support is a big question. And unlike the Japanese or Koreans, this brand is trying to enter the market in the premium segment? Good luck with that. If their pricing was at least 20K lower, then maybe the risk would be easier to swallow, but not at their announced pricing levels. And to honest their design did not wow me either. Yes some design elements were fresh and interesting, but the overall picture is a mixed bag for me. Could this brand be a rebadged Chinese car maker?

[@JHaviland1]

Search on KZbin to see what their manufacturing plant is like and you will be impressed. It's 90% automated with rows and rows of robotic arms that do everything from sheet metal press to paint. Currently, batteries are supplied by Samsung but VinFast is building its own battery plant as it plans to produce its own battery as it collaborates with other well known battery manufacturers to get the latest and best technology. Their ICE cars are in the best selling lists for the past 3 years in Vietnam and they look good! I saw a few of them on the road there myself. I think anything this company does, it aims to be the best.

[@SuleymanAkhundov]

@@JHaviland1 Thanks, Hung! I will check them out.

[@AllCarswithJon]

If this is your first video about Vinfast, you need to read up on them. They're not some shoe-string startup, they're one division o a massive conglomerate. They've been building cars (successfully) for a few years, have an all-new factory in Vietnam, and are growing fast.

[@trivietphamvan]

oh no, this car company is manufactured at the factory in Vietnam, it is very large and modern leading in the world. This car company belongs to a large corporation in Vietnam. Their cars sell a lot and are in the top 5 best-selling cars every year in Vietnam, the car drives very well. They have nothing to do with China. Vietnamese people do not like products from China, so they always boycott products originating from China. Vietnamese people always follow Japanese, American and European quality and they always follow that every hour. You can go to phobolsatv channel of a group of American journalists talking about this car company in more detail and many other media channels, I remember the channel of "supercar Blondie" she also talked about Vinfast a lot.

[@benjilani646]

Don t blame the price for vf to vietnam.the price is made in here by the vf dealer. How much coast ev car for company maker less than $10000.

[@phu0n9c4yj]

I think the car prices are not much different for a larger range because you don’t pay for the batteries yet which are responsible for the range. Also the technology in Vinfast cars are not cheap, thats compared to Tesla technology.

[@007me6]

At the auto show, Vinfast didn't let any one come close to the car for viewing detail. No test drive at all. both cars have power cords runing from floor into the cars. I don't think both display cars were drivable.

[@ngocminh2576]

At the new york auto show, the VF8 was tested

[@ThinkBeFree99]

Cant wait to hear about the recalls these will have. Hopefully they are a home run though.

[@markn6941]

They pride on qualities unlike tesla.

[@SkyMaloba9599]

About to preorder but I see NO Saving value. I calculated in 10years I will pay $110/mo = $13200 Then multiply it by 2.4% inflation in US. And IONIQ 5 (AWD) start at $49,400 yet VF $40000 + $13200 = $53200. So, there is no value if you wanna keep you car over 7yrs. Value is only if you keep it for 5years, sell it at depreciated value and then buy another VF and stay in debt ever. Maybe need to wait Kia EV9

[@raksmeymeas8135]

won't waste money with this low quality

[@Martinko_Pcik]

It makes no sense to me. I thought the most expensive part of the EV is the battery itself. I feel I would be paying too much premium for an batteryless car of unknown quality. If it was $20.000, I would consider going into a risk no value would be left in 10 years

[@williambest6552]

Does anybody know about the bank's willingness to finance a car without a battery and what that interest rate above-average would look like?

[@joecarreon]

toyota cars are cheaper. i trust toyota quality.

[@ZC-Nguyen]

the battery is made in china