Vintage novelty device teardown (with schematic)

This is a purely technical video about one of the earlier Chinese versions of what has become a huge industry.
At the time this was considered more of a novelty, and the TINY lithium cell inside (due to the space limitations of imitating the dimensions of the real thing) meant that future designs went in a completely different direction. The method of liquid storage and delivery also evolved significantly.
What's novel about this version is the built in mains voltage charger with pop out pins. The circuitry is very minimalist, but works. The whole thing is quite stylish in the way it visually emulates the original product.
The best thing to breathe is clean air. I only endorse things like this for people with an existing dependency as a safer option.
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This also keeps the channel independent of KZbin's advertising algorithms allowing it to be a bit more dangerous and naughty.
#ElectronicsCreators

[@iivarimokelainen]

Hey Clive, this has nothing to do with the video but I just want to thank you for your content. Your chill and grounded attitude, your informative and funny videos, your passion for your profession are highly appreciated. Your content calms me down and cheers me up. It sounds weird but you're somewhat of a role model. I am glad to share the planet with you.

[@kevinoakes1870]

Put into words what I couldn't. Well said!

[@zachwaddill7801]

Have another drink; don't forget to tell your manager off, when you get hired on your next job.

[@aborted4196]

70 likes I just canceled 69 nice

[@8o86]

"I am glad to share the planet with you." MDMA enthusiast detected.

[@iivarimokelainen]

@@zachwaddill7801 sorry?

[@Battlefox64_RL]

KZbin really needs to change it's algorithm. you deserve to be paid for this video.

[@MadScientist267]

KZbin needs to get rid of algorithms

[@john.f.chamberlain]

I find it funny that you stack deathdaptors lol, the Hopi has one built in

[@CallumCarmicheal]

I guess it's incase something could damage the contacts. Safer to destroy a deathadapter then the Hopi. Maybe am' overthinking it.

[@CallumCarmicheal]

@@majortom5838 I can see how that would get really annoying after awhile

[@johndododoe1411]

"Good drug, bad delivery system" used to be the nicotine industry joke about cigarettes.

[@garrysekelli6776]

If Clive writes vaaaping instead of the correct spelling he can keep the monetization. Someone tell him.

[@bigclivedotcom]

I think the detection is based on speech recognition.

[@ozy8742]

Bad drug, everything helping people consuming it even worse. Coming from a young smoker, sadly…

[@whoeveriam0iam14222]

@@johndododoe1411 anything to protect potential advertisers. There's so much content on KZbin that Google can afford to have false positives when blocking monetisation

[@EclecticMusicMan]

@@ozy8742 Not true, if it wasn’t for vaping devices I would have never quit my 80 a day habit. Now I don’t vape or smoke, three years free.

[@homebody0089]

We really live in a world where 'musicians' can swear and use provocative imagery and mention the use of illicit substances and are fully monetized and are available to everyone who uses this platform, but someone mentions the evil "V" word or does a review on smoking cessation devices for educational purposes gets demonized or worse. Thank you for all the videos you do and for showing us how some of the things in our world work. ❤✌

[@kevinbissinger]

a world? or a private corporation's website?

[@bigclivedotcom]

KZbin is always in a delicate balance between the Karens and the money people.

[@joj.]

@@kevinbissinger Private or not, it's still one rule for them and another for us. Even though it's their choice, it's worth criticising as much as any other opinion.

[@underworldjam]

@@kevinbissinger The problem with that theory is that 4 companies effectively control all of what can be said, at least in the west. They have so much power it is akin to the government banning certain things being said. If these companies want to be protected from libel laws then they should be legally required to protect free speech.

[@6581punk]

WHO is against vaping, guess who produces the most tobacco? China. Almost like they're in the pockets of China.

[@hey.its.BrandishJaye]

Wow. That's basically exactly the first e-cig I bought. Except mine was a much dummied down one without the nifty cig case. Also those cartridges are much juicier than ones I had. Mine were just slightly wetted cotton inside. Gas station special.

[@dbspaceoditty]

havent watched yet. but vintage? god im old.

[@ChankkSaotome]

This is so surreal to see one of these again. I had this exact one like 11 years ago while I was living in Japan.

[@jkobain]

They keep evolving, and at the moment they returned to PoD devices, but with much better mass-produced controllers, somewhat better design and batteries. Imagine they started producing disposable vaping pens with Lithium batteries inside.

[@mycosys]

@@jkobain has a lot to do with salts making very high concentrations palatable

[@jkobain]

@@mycosys well, salts work pretty fast, yeah.

[@XianHaos]

@@jkobain - salts also make switching from smoking much easier for a heavy smoker. I had tried on regular e-juice and didn't really have any success until I found 50mg juices. It's been a year and I'm now down to 24mg. I'm hoping to get to 0 by next year.

[@jkobain]

@@XianHaos it is only up to you to decide when and where. But I'm glad to hear that you stopped smoking - it mostly benefits the people around you. I myself suffer as a smoker in my past from current smokers anywhere near me - I start choking any time there's smoke in the air, I even can recall it during sleep because it brings up related images. Stay safe.

[@RambozoClown]

If they made a lot more dodgy power supply, they would emulate cigarettes more closely, randomly killing a percentage of their users. ;)

[@Metal-Possum]

You should see the douchefluters and their exploding 18650 cells. Those cause some very serious burns.

[@goawaytours]

@@Metal-Possum I would imagine Clive knows a bit about Burns. Us Scots sing his song every new year.

[@sausage5849]

Lol!

[@dickJohnsonpeter]

@@patrickglaser1560 I smoke cigarettes and I'd still rather walk through a cloud of flavored steam than a blast of smoke to the face lol.

[@nsfeliz7825]

doogdf

[@jkobain]

Yeah, I remember such devices, even disassembled several pieces: they had a nickel-chromium heater winded up around a fiberglass wick. And a PoD pressure controller with an LED and a charge controller. Batteries in them died very, very quickly.

[@franceslarina5508]

"Really old, like 2009" Now I'm old and depressed. Before this video I was just old. ;-)

[@ashleysmith3106]

Guess that makes me REALLY ancient - I remember the Mid-twentieth Century !

[@briandeschene8424]

@@ashleysmith3106 Oh you mean back when people knew we could never fly to the Moon? Oh wait, that’s today. Never mind.

[@brostenen]

I hope you were not born before me then. I was in 1976.

[@defendukraine181]

@@brostenen If she remembers the mid 20th century, then I'm sure she's older than you!

[@brostenen]

@@defendukraine181 I dont think she remembers the 1940-1950's

[@RandomBogey]

I had one of those (not identical but very similar) when they were first rolling out. I got it shortly after my state had banned smoking indoors and I had it with me one night at a bar. I was sitting at the bar, pulled it out of my pocket, took a drag, then just stuck it back in my pocket before I thought anyone saw me. But, I happened to glance over and noticed a patron a few stools over staring at me wide-eyed with his mouth literally hanging open and he goes "WTF, man? Did you really just pull a lit cigarette out of your pocket then put it back in your pocket!?" What's crazy is that when the "atomizer" for that thing eventually died, a replacement, for JUST the ONE atomizer, was $45 not including shipping... $45 now could potentially buy multiple ecigs... I think I may still have it somewhere...

[@stemartin6671]

In my local club a woman was smoking an ecig just after the ban, and another man got salty about it and sparked up a normal cigarette saying if she could smoke hers, then he could smoke his! The club actually asked the woman to leave but the man got to stay!! Haha 😂

[@SanjanaRanasingha]

Such a sweet amazing story I imagined the atmosphere you were in thank you so much for sharing it with us lovely memories

[@trollkingiliketacos5032]

Always good to see a new Big Clive, Especially when many good channels are being heavily censored.

[@cgoad]

A sacrifice to gain knowledge. Excellent. That's one teardown that's never going back together. Interesting gadget. Thanks Clive.

[@Silverfoxwolfen]

That is indeed a very impressive amount of seperation. I'm guessing they simply had the free space to play being designed to fit a standard packet size.

[@johndododoe1411]

Almost enough to meet standards. I think 6mm is the rule to follow. Those chipless SMPS designs were in textbooks in the 1980s and were used in everything until dedicated mains rated SMPS chips became common.

[@Triptweeze]

Awesome! I had one of those with a black and orange color scheme. Early ecig manufacturers were really weird with their designs. Super cool though. Fun fact... We used to remove the bridge and just drip liquid down into the atomizer... Essentially making the first DRIPPER. The flavor was far superior this way. There were even "bridgeless atomizers" being sold for a time. Oh how things have progressed lol.

[@nemesis2264]

Oh the joys of cartomisers I miss those days, NOT.

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

Anyone remember the condom refilling method?

[@Triptweeze]

@@SproutyPottedPlant Yup! What about the Taryn Spin?

[@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen]

I started with a cig-a-like back in 08. I remember upgrading to a eGo cartomizer thinking it was the end all be all of vaping..

[@MrJest2]

I direct-dripped a 510 atty on an eGo batt for about 5 years - totally missed the whole tank revolution. I was agog when I first saw a device using one. 😃

[@meowcula]

oh wow, that reminds me of the first 510 kit I bought when I started vaping. Yes that method was quite arse. It leaked, it gave inconsistent hits and the little carts and batteries didn't last very long. I had a separate USB charger the battery screwed in to, not the pseudo-ciggie pack. Oh and I did take the batteries apart after I retired them, and did short out the cell :) that was dramatic. Vaping was very DIY and changing constantly back then. Happy I stuck with it as I've been a non smoker for years now and I don't even bother to vape except very occasionally for the novelty of it.

[@dbspaceoditty]

i quit vaping in like 2008-9 when liberty stix called me and i made the receptionist cry. had a few government agencys show up too my house.

[@CaveDDECanem]

@@dbspaceoditty dude tell us the story???

[@Ed_Stuckey]

"What kind of bomb is it?" "The exploding kind."

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

Also s he said he was defusing the bomb as in disconnecting a lithium battery from a device did that a while back on one of those call dodgy Amazon Alexa headphones. Although they're just Bluetooth headphones with a dedicated button for an app for specific to those headphones evidently for Alexa it does not work with the dedicated Alexa app on Android either. But of course the headphones did work with Android. But anyways the point is with those headphones it's a very bad design. If I had had a second one I might have actually sent them to Big Clive. If I had the means to and if I had enough money and if I had already known about the issue I'm about to describe. But I said to at least two people that I had just diffused the headphone bomb or Defuse The Bomb inside the headphones referring to disconnecting as in cutting the wiring to the lithium cell. It was one of those normal lithium packs that's the soil type enclosure. Lithium-ion not lithium-polymer for clarification! The things with that that was a big issue is it was an unprotected cell for sure I peeped the world what was masking tape not even kapton tape. Absolutely no protection for the lithium cell just Tam's coming from the self that was it. That's only part of the issue. As of being stereo headphones there is two sides to it the varying cable that carries the audio to the opposite side where the Bluetooth and all of the Active Electronics are including charge control. Is connected over a 4-wire cable same as my be in a hands-free going to the tip ring ring sleeve 1/8 inch plug. As many people would wouldn't know how those can fail sometimes and often do. And of course that is bent every time you take on and off the headphones and many other times as well. And terrible strain relief as in almost no thought given to it. An excessive for points where the cable could fail due to flexing and other damage. And not to mention the very lightweight fine gauge wire protected only by a thin layer of enamel or lacquer insulation. Just a bid damaged in the right spot could very well wind up shorting out the lithium cell keep in mind that can happen when someone was wearing that said pair of headphones! Not good situation! I would prefer to have a pair that might be bit bigger versus doing that. Mine explain why I never saw those anywhere else but I got a good deal on them new in box. Also I had not even seen those on Amazon or anywhere other than that time. I'm wondering if the reason for that is a recall or they stop production or something along that lines. And if so chances are it was because their situation with the battery and the wiring to the other side!!! And also the switches were atrocious at least in terms of setup. They were those cheap nasty surface-mount Tac switches! Very similar to what's in a key fob except even worse than the nose were and the slightest mispress or misalignment or shifting of the buttons was causing damage. Even with normal use. Not to mention the ring the buttons would be constantly shifting out of place and on top of that getting stuck in depressed position. Consistently jamming up. Probably when the nastiest systems I've seen like that so far. And that's how I discovered how it had been put together like I'd said. Because eventually the buttons got in such bad shape I could not get them back in position but once I did after about 30 minutes messing with it. I realized the buttons are not working even in the right position. And I could not turn them off Noor activate one of the functions at all. Turns out both those buttons were compressed hard enough and messed up enough. That normally opens which became her permanently closed switch! I literally had to discombobulated two of the switches to open the circuit and then bridge out the one that controls power to turn it off. Then when I was scoping it out in there not a soul scope or anyting but just checking it out. I realized that battery plus and minus word at headphone Tidewater I'm like oh no I'm glad this happened so I'd be aware of this and from there I realized what was going on as stated above. So needless to say did not attempt repair immediately clipped the two leads to the battery of course only one at a time to avoid shorting out the cell. Black taping the two lead wires separately. And taking it to one of the battery places to have it probably taking care of in a responsible and safe way! People had suggested Home Depot and stuff like that but I knew that they would not take a wrong lithium battery like that. Had to do some calling around but I finally found a battery place that did that! Since I had no way to discharge that battery completely safely. Now if I'd already had my shop setup I would have been able to at least render it somewhat safer by discharging it. However was that type of wire and the terminals that if there was an issue I could have had a ticking timer on a incinerator device on my hands. And I don't have an explosion containment anything dish as of yet. That's in the works just in case seriously. Also any thoughts on using a metal ammo box for a bit of extra safety with small quantities of solvents lubricants and other smaller amounts of flammables. Not really for shop but at home I have some of the stuff I've used frequently?? I think that's the best thing I could come up with for this but no room for foremost cabinet or anything else like that unfortunately. But enough there that you'd want to ride some protection at least!

[@skuula]

Explöding :)

[@brostenen]

That is pretty much what all bombs are designed to do. However some may not because of bad build quality.

[@skuula]

@@brostenen it was a Pink Panther reference. "What kind of bomb, Chief Inspector?" - "The explõding kind"

[@brostenen]

@@skuula How should I know that?

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

A most excellent bit of vintage technology Mr Clive.

[@overweightactor]

I feel like Clive's diagrams have gotten very clean and tidy over the years.

[@LaPabst]

The detailed schematics are excellent. Helps to see it as well as being explained. Good job, again.

[@johnclavis]

I love when you take apart vintage stuff!

[@davidtexmex1616]

This is straight off the soundstage of a Blade Runner scene. Smashing upload 👏🏼

[@joshuaewalker]

Don't worry about your monetization. We all have ad blockers.

[@mikeznel6048]

What's this "we" sht?

[@joshuaewalker]

@@mikeznel6048 Enjoy your ads.

[@lhoffmann6537]

The large chinese characters say "Healthy e-cigarette" Small text translates to "Experts strongly recommend using more than three trips in a row!"

[@111000100101001]

“Experts”

[@frogz]

using more than or no more than? hahaha

[@whoeveriam0iam14222]

@@111000100101001 sales experts

[@llary]

療程 liao cheng should be translated as treatments, but either way you're correct that experts recommend at least 3 of them!

[@lhoffmann6537]

@@llary I used Google Translate. Not always 100%

[@haroldsmith45302]

Clive seems to somehow intuitively understand these esoteric, highly-specialized circuits.

[@cocotug0]

he is very good, plus almost all power supplies have same basic principles, so it helps

[@MadScientist267]

SMPS is only intimidating if you are used to "DC" and linears. They're really not the enigma they first appear to be, but they are on the twitchy side

[@incredibleflameboy]

I think it's because he's a wizard. Somewhere he has a sacred tome of ancient circuits

[@haroldsmith45302]

@@incredibleflameboy He does look a wizard!

[@baked.9nion]

Its all pretty simple tbh...tho I spent 5 years studying electronic engineering and pc repair, comes in handy building wizardry stuff that most folks call "broken"

[@goofybrained6929]

Thanks for taking your time to 'take it to bits'. Very interesting (even at 3AM !)

[@JamesBakerOhio]

I know I have said it before, but damn it, it must be said...💖YOU ARE AWSOME!👏 Your videos 'taking things to bits' are the most educational entertainment I can think of. If the morons who run broadcast television were to put content like this on, I might actually watch. Thanks for your effort and time!

[@soukuw9146]

Thanks Clive for being willing to make a video for us even though you're not able to get paid for it. Most wouldn't.

[@daveychef]

Hi Clive. I really love your videos, have been a fan for quite a while now. Your technical insights and your naughty humour keep me coming back for more, I also find your voice extremely calming in this busy noisy world. I am 43 now and smoked heavily from the age of 13, now with 11 months off the ciggies and vaping instead I feel much better for it. I started off on 18mg nicotine tobacco flavoured but switched to 6mg fruity flavours a few months ago. I say make it strictly available to adults only and keep kids off the nicotine altogether. Of course there will always be devices falling into the wrong hands but limiting flavours/ejuice strength/tpd tank size for adult vapers is not the answer. Making suppliers accountable for proper age verification and education for youth into the dangers/side effects of both smoking and vaping is the best way forward imho. If any government is going to ban anything to do with vaping they should start by banning tobacco first. #adultslikeflavours #ftpd. Thanks Clive.

[@sumatoborukiSaru]

Those HV transistors are used commonly in CFLs. They seem to be a variant of the MJE-13001, but much lower power.

[@protocol6]

Interesting. I had something very similar from Blu many years ago. It was all black, slightly more rounded case, the battery and cartridges were both black and the battery had a blue LED on the end. It plugged in via USB rather than direct wall charging. The Blu pack had its own larger lithium battery in that empty space. I'd be willing to bet the batteries and cartridges would be interchangeable with this. It was a nice design but I was originally a pipe smoker so I switched to nice fancy wooden pipe vapes as soon as they were available.

[@metalbass5]

Yup, same threading and these ones were the parents of the KR808's we could get in NA.

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

These were most likely to be m401 threads here and wouldn’t fit the KR808d threads 😟

[@UhrwerkKlockwerx]

Nothing like a nice Big Clive video to end the day on. Also yeah, the separation is pretty good. Cheers

[@vtbn53]

End the day? It's just starting...

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

@@vtbn53 technically correct either way depends on what time zone you're in

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

Also I'm running down for to get some shut-eye as well maybe a few more videos just depends on how it goes.

[@TopEndSpoonie]

It is interesting that they went to soooo much trouble to make them look like a cigarette, instead of taking the plunge and saying, screw it, this is new, and it is going to be a bit different. Well done Clive, I know that it is a huge effort for a video that is going to be demonitized anyway. I really appreciate the time and effort that you put in.

[@nemesis2264]

They were made to look like and be used much like a cigarette (apart from the fire) so as to feel familiar to smokers and encourage them to quit. A very smart move initially but one that would come back to bite them later as the naysayers used that to say that vaping was identical to smoking (IT ISN'T). It didn't help that they called them electronic cigarettes either, now vapers mostly use the term mod to describe third and fourth generation devices but this first generation type is still called a cigalike.

[@nemesis2264]

@@samburke9563 It is called a cigalike.

[@headintheclouds999]

That electronic testing device gave me "back to the future" chills, love it!

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

It's funny how even the CE4 and CE5 tanks and 510 batteries seem so much more advanced but are almost as old.

[@lightcapmath2777]

Love it! you are such a master of reversing engineering! plus your honesty when your "projects" misbehave lol DVD:) .

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

By the way I want saw a DVD player that misbehaved no matter what button you press I know unit or the remote the loading tray Orton start just going in out until you pulled the plug. And as so far as I can tell an exhausting search of 4 problems was the microprocessor itself was doing this otherwise everything checked out normal this is from someone that had two of the same units which I was able to use troubleshooting absolutely nothing else seemed abnormal even on a component the component basis crazy I know but weird one for sure. And yes I tried turning it on and off of course but this was not a soft error this was definitely a hard error of some sort but then again this is after a the severe thunderstorm. And that's was the only component in that system that was not fun into a surge protector! Just may have had something to do with that probably not coincidence I'd say! Can't remember the exact reason it wasn't plugged into the surge protector but judging by the number of things plugged into it and the number of adapters and so on plugged into the strip even perhaps it was just a tad too much or they couldn't figure out a way to plug in just one more thing into it. This was long ago don't remember the exact situation but I do know back then it was usually not easy to find a surge protector with that many outlets probably in excess of 12 receptacles least! And I believe it was only 10 amp breaker on that strip if I remember correctly. I want actually saw a surge protector at one time that actually had 20 AC receptacles on one search protector and it was claimed for kitchen use 20 receptacles in a kitchen where there could be heavy duty appliances no thanks. Also I had a relative ones that had a lightning strike. And I got a call from one of the other relatives. Asking what could have caused a big dent in the outside on one side of the microwave. When they had mentioned about the lightning strike. Well chances are that's is where the transformer for the microwave is and chances are there was tremendous amounts of voltage and current through the Transformer turning it into a big electromagnet or just because of current flow causing this because of magnetic force. I don't remember if it still worked but I don't think it did a long time ago. Think there's been at least two microwave since then. Whitney Hughes hit they're more than once if I'm not mistaken. Actually yeah another time and years ago it had hit the TV antenna no lightning arrester or static discharge evidently. Also the TV was unplugged at the time however still connected to the antenna twin lead. This was installed prior to coax! And when the lightning hit it actually went to 232v and the cord was laying on the carpet where to plug was laying the carpet was burnt. I heard this from at least two of the relatives. Interesting thing is nothing in the vicinity was metal or even at Ground potential or near anything conducted. Only thing connected to the antenna again with the when we laid ledian cable. Once I also saw a melted CRT in a TV years ago! Again due to lightning. Also one time somebody called me and said could you come over and when I got there they pointed to the TV and said what could have caused this fortunately no one was in the room at the time she blew. Well the TV had been on and kablooey. Picture to imploded. I asked them was it doing anything strange or something not right before this happened. And sure enough what I was told course flooded with overscan. And from what I understand that overtime that the Electron Beam can etch through this glass on the CRT and caused the sort of failure. And also something with high-voltage issues can cause the same as well but that's just Word of Mouth on that part can anyone substantiate something along that lines would like to know

[@aihtdikh]

I found one of the modern disposable ones lying in the street the other day. I had no idea what it was at first, but my teardown was very similar to yours. The newer one had, as you said, a more integrated pressure sensor. Of course, it had no recharging circuit. Frankly criminal that these things are marketed as disposable. I got a handy 950mA lithium battery out of it, though.

[@ManWithBeard1990]

Interesting note about the microphones: Just like that pressure switch, a condenser microphone also has a transistor inside it as a sort of internal amplifying element. The difference is that one uses the mylar foil as one of the plates of a capacitor, the other works as a switch when both touch. I bet, if you really wanted to, you actually could pick up sound with that pressure sensor, because that capacitance will always be there to some extent.

[@ymirthefrostgiant]

Well done for posting this, let's hope it stays posted. 2 ads, a GPS car tracker and a space wars type game, probably the one you saw, BC.

[@charllectric4842]

It's been 9 hours since your video was published and so far has not been demonetized! Nice!

[@bigclivedotcom]

It's on restricted advertising.

[@charllectric4842]

@@bigclivedotcom oh well... it was beautiful while it lasted 😩

[@toomanytanks_breezeman8774]

Great vid, long time background sub. Your vids are exactly what the bus ride needed

[@Tom_Bee_]

Thanks for the content! It's very generous to make this knowing you'll not get paid much or even at all.

[@alexhb12333]

Neat aesthetic design, form factor to fit a standard pack size might help provide more comfort for a smoker to transition. I know several people who carry a little leather cigarette/lighter bag, so could help give a more substantial alternative experience.

[@Robothut]

I bought that same unit back in the day. I used it as a smoke source for custom robot toys and a even a paper craft space ship that I wanted smoke to come out of. Since I never clean off my work bench I think most of the case bits are still laying there under other projects bits.

[@SpectrumDIY]

That was really fascinating, watching while trying to diagnose my larger monitor, thinking it's a blown capacitor but only just got thr back off. Btw this is formerly Dave's DIY. Cheers for the share!💪 I don't think you deserve demonizing over this, it was really not at all a promotion. But I guess if KZbin wants to keep being a select choice of words. 🙄

[@Tom_Bee_]

More like they simply can't or don't want to pay culturally similar humans to review everything and want to arbitrarily moderate everything using algorithms. I guess the result is the same.

[@garrysekelli6776]

Write vaaaping instead. Problem solved.

[@sixstringedthing]

There's well over 500 hours of video uploaded to KZbin per minute, every single day. Trying to moderate that using actual humans would be like trying to hold back a tsunami with a child's bucket and spade, it's simply not possible.

[@Tom_Bee_]

@@sixstringedthing wow. That's a LOT of video. I had no idea. May I ask what's your source? Not doubting your word, just curious.

[@martinpickard6043]

I had this system (minus the carry box) around 10yrs ago. It was purchased to get me off the tobacco/cig's, and worked in that respect! It tasted so bad it was easy to give up around 6 months later. Worked a treat for me, never smoked another cig or vape since 😃👍

[@MrJest2]

Ahh, the venerable M-series. These were quickly supplanted by the 510, which introduced the vaping community to the potential of refilling the carts. The old 510 kit I started with came with a similar charging box, but it also contained a battery in the case so you could recharge the actual vaporizer battery "on the go". While I quickly moved on from there, that little thing got me to quit smoking cigarettes literally overnight. It's been 11 years now, so it did it's job.

[@andrewd762]

You can assign the dodgy looking, flash stained, piggy-back death adaptor to the dustbin. The Hopi has its own built-in death adaptor. Thanks for the videos, always interesting and always appreciated.

[@nemesis2264]

Yes but if Clive gets a SHTF moment hopefully only the deathdapter bites it. if he plugs direct into the Hopi and gets the same situ, the Hopi bites it.

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

@@nemesis2264 Bingo be better to kill death deaf adapter then a perfectly healthy Hopi meter. Or here in the United States and also available in Canada. Kill the the kilowatt device. Also do they make a version of the Hopi meter that is designed for 120 volts 60 hertz for US market. And also I am looking into getting the modified version of Cliff quick test for the shop strictly for electrical test. The one with the u.s. colors of the the connections. I'm wondering if they'll ever come out with the US version that would just take a glass or ceramic fuse of the type used in u.s. equipment. Or after would be a way to adapt the what are the smaller fuses fit with some sort of adapter possibly? Either or do an inline fuse in the hot side of the circuit. And Bridge out the the phone holder for the European fuse? Also I run into this issue before is anyone aware of an adapter that would take a glass or ceramic fuse either in the one of the quarter-by-quarter or the next size down of standard fuse preferably she was older type similar to what rebounded on a chassis of a piece of equipment. To medium Edison screw base without doing something DYI but a commercially available product or plans for something like this if unavailable. The idea would be to use in a peaceful equipment not in a fuse panel. And also for test purposes since some of the fuses are harder to forget in the odd values these days. And also to offer better protection than just the Old Edison fuses. Also would be useful for some way that uses vintage equipment or Worse on jukeboxes or others and some old coin-op machines and many other applications like this! Would really appreciate any info put on this as well

[@ravencrovax]

I used to have an old box like that for my ancient M203 unit (I think that was what the model was). Back when RY4 was one of the top selling flavours.

[@ElvenSpellmaker]

Often you can avoid demonetisation by avoiding certain words in the first 30 seconds, or in thumbnails. I've seen people before do "Spotted ****" (Atomic Shrimp) to avoid such demonetisations.

[@metalbass5]

Oh man, throwback to when I first switched to vaping and all you could get in Canada was a KR808 shipped from the US. The carts were just some cotton wick stuffed around a coil. At least you could refill them.

[@hotmailcompany52]

this video gave me deja vu and memories of watching your videos after school lol

[@Tarukai788]

Over here in the US, we had things like these from the company Blu, which I found very interesting in the same mindset as you, fun for the novelty and other uses like easing up on snacking, albeit with zero nicotine carts. They had the same basic design of the pseudo cigarette case but a Micro-USB port for charging instead of built-in prongs. The other day I noticed Blu had changed on to the current disposable-esque cart-style vapes a la juul and their ilk which was interesting to see.

[@SinKillerJ]

Wow I remember seeing these back in the day but completely forgot about them.

[@michaelgamba369]

Wow I love this device I switched from cigarettes to vaping about 5yrs ago after being a two pack a day smoker for 12yrs. People dont understand harm reduction and think vaping is as bad or worse and its definitely not if you know what you're doing. Always love your content god bless us all

[@swapnil199]

I'm glad it wasn't demonetized. I just saw two back to back unskippable ads :)

[@swiftrick15]

Just before your video, I got an advert for the QC3.0 Revolutionary Phone Charger. Omg Clive. You must get one of these units and do a tare down. Its claims are so outlandish

[@bigclivedotcom]

Apparently most of the advertisers who accept rogue videos are the ones with low IQ games and shady products.

[@danmackintosh6325]

No revenue soup for YOU! Ya naughty bear, how dare you say the V-word on KZbin? At least it'll make a change for the demonetizing folks to screw a vid for that and not the C-word or variants of such... Thanks for making the effort just for us, that's why we love you! Also, I pulled apart a similar (albeit disposable) unit a few years ago, think it was branded "3motives", & it was built pretty much the same way. The battery pack just pushed out from the vapour hole at the top, I was quite surprised at the closeness of fit given that the air had to be drawn past it in order to activate the thing!

[@Blu3ManiC]

Do you technically need the deathdapter for the Hopi? It looks like it already has the same inputs the deathdapter does.

[@adrianjowitt]

I remember these early slim vapes and carts but never had a set in such a nice case with integrated charger

[@geoffmorrison3648]

The 30 ohm resistor does not limit the current. The base emitter junction of the PNP transistor acts as a diode in parallel and will conduct lots of current even though the voltage across across it and the 30 ohm resistor doesn't rise much above about 0.8 volt.

[@mikepersechino9873]

Wow, reminds me of my original blu. Where the pack held a battery that recharged one of two tips with space for cartridges as well except this looks much scarier.

[@gummybear340]

I was Recommended this vid , nice and relaxing

[@Crobisaur]

I remember seeing these e-cigs at kiosks in the mall right around 2007-2008 or so. I don't recognize the charge pack but the vape & cartridges were definitely all over advert signs nearby

[@davidcoghill8612]

I remember scan computers was selling something very similar around that same time, maybe around 2010ish. No idea if it was from the same manufacturer, but looked very similar in that it was imitating a real cigarette like this.

[@mcleodclan]

Ah memories of 2012 I remember these electronic Ciggies. I had a similar box but was for a brand Electronic Lites. they had a little red or green light to replicate the ignition on puffs.

[@Hana.Behl-Lecter]

I used to have a pack style e cig/charging set up like this around the same time. Man it was awful for actual vaping but the actual design behind it was a pretty cool idea.

[@CrashM85]

Please could you do a video about the various different voltage dropping methods (transformers, capacitive droppers, etc) and explain how and why they work.

[@ATMAtim]

Even though they are just plain nasty in every imaginable way, you have to give them a high design and cuteness rating. The case alone and how it's configuration would make the "sucker" feel like they have a real pack of cigarettes deserves a pat on the back. Thanks for ripping this to bits for us to see.

[@Wegetsignal]

They shouldn't demonitize educational content like this.

[@djpaul146]

Great video I've got some of these in my cupboard and never used them. Great video buy the way

[@linuxranch]

Clive, a suggestion: Maybe your next equipment purchase should be a fairly low power stereo microscope, with a ring light and a camera port...

[@robby091000]

Honestly sometimes I forget that this channel is a high quality content media just because I always see the crappy table at the thumbnail

[@chrishartley1210]

Strangely enough, I found the insides of one of those e-cigs lying in the road a couple of weeks ago. The battery, controller, heater and pressure switch were all intact and undamaged but any casing had presumably been run over. The tiny led was still flashing occasionally otherwise I would not have seen it.

[@ironsniper13]

I had something very similar to this around 2009-2010. The white cigarette part screwed into a USB to charge (similar to cheap vapes today). Mom found it one day plugged into the back of my wii and asked what it was, I was 16 at the time, I told her it was a wifi antenna and she bought it. The cartridge pack, when you first inhale, you had to really pull in order to *pop* it, then the menthol is free. There was a lot of vapor that came out and the tip glows red because it was designed to simulate smoking to help break addiction. Apparently the subconscious triggers like seeing the glow, blowing out the vapor, the white stick itself, etc was nearly as addictive as the nicotine itself and you'd have a more difficult time quitting without these extra triggers.

[@TheIqoniq]

These style are still on sale, but they've ignored the case/charger combo and use a USB slug to charge. While the slug is smaller, once the battery is plugged into it, you've got something that sticks out a good 4 or 5 inches. Unless you've got a hub that allows it to charge in a vertical position, and supports it from underneath as gravity can pull the slug out if it's "upside down" due to the weight of the battery, it's an accident waiting to happen.

[@ats89117]

Nice video. Of course being a Japanese unit, it would have been designed primarily to use Japanese 100 Volts, 60 Hz. It would have been interesting to pull the transformer apart. As you know, all the best stuff is made in Japan, so the transformer isolation might have been as impressive as the board isolation...

[@shrimpbear2544]

Its Chinese not Japanese though

[@ats89117]

@@shrimpbear2544 Thanks. I looked up vaping in simplified Chinese and sure enough it came up as: 电子烟 As the old joke goes, they all look the same to me...

[@jkobain]

@@ats89117 that joke is actually because the Japanese use kanji (han-ji), the Chinese writing system they borrowed a while ago, along with other alphabets.

[@thenaimis]

I was confused about that as well. Apparently the Chinese have a "Type A" plug that looks like the Japanese and American plugs. I'm pretty confident the writing on the unit is Chinese and not Japanese, though - no Hiragana at all.

[@ats89117]

@Hans Pebble China??? What? No!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWK0lJ2pn8-niMU&ab_channel=ShacharBaitHalachmy

[@RyanHannaProductions]

Clive. We need an analog Volt and Ammeter so we can see the current increase/decrease without the refresh rate of the Hopi. Possibly for situations like Electric Cake Batter or 240v Hot Dog Cooker

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

Yeah great idea thought about that a couple times as well even for my use in my shop even having a analog voltmeter and amp meter and if I could scrounge one up or out of something and AC wattmeter and yes and log AC watt meters actually exist or another option if you could find it which I have not as of yet. Is an AC voltmeter amp meter that has both Inda Kara needles opposing each other and the chart pretend integrated with the volts and amps for Watts at a glance. And no I'm not actually talking about earlier in this comment about a kilowatt hour meter but analog wattmeter that has both of voltage and current coil Andorra current Transformer or shunt but used on a AC 2 calculate watts in the analog domain you could say. Also trying to get my hands on a few old kilowatt-hour meters have an idea to do a coat tree that would look like an old street light post preferred old electric meter that would actually be functional. But wildly for 120 volts ac. A box with the photocell on top which would also control lighting as well. Mainly through a receptacle delphian to this coat tree. Utilizing Bronson porcelain insulators for the coat hooks. Which I do collection glass and Porcelain insulators. Utilizing a old school oblong or other vintage outdoor receptacle cover what the plate modified to take a dacor receptacle which would actually be hardwired USB charger receptacle. For charging things like headphones and keychain flashlights and such. The above leader would actually measure power used by the built-in lamp and also a low-level light they'll be controlled by the photocell. As well as switches to control both as well fan override switch and be able to switch the main lamp the photocell. And somewhere in a vintage electrical box of some sort. Have room for future smart Hardware as well. And of course a couple of receptacles which would also be connected the kilowatt hour meter. Preferably in an older style of socket. Another word something you might just find in Old Town somewhere but actually 100% functional in one way or another. Nav even on top insulator that would not be used for hanging for obvious reasons have what would look like what would have been used in the old times for the original wiring on insulators. Perhaps even if I could find it the housing or whatever from you'll series Street Lighting systems to run standard lamps from the series Street lighting system. If I can't find that an external ballast from an old fixture that would have been around that time. I've seen both of those in my old Hometown that one time. I once had an opportunity to get a series street light. And I knew they ran on a low voltage lamp and at that time the bulbs were readily available in that area. I was even thinking about doing a string of Christmas lights utilizing 18-volt switchboard frosted lamps but ran 12 volts for long life. For some reason one of our friends houses had low voltage 6 and 12 volt incandescent bulbs in some areas I believe it may have been some sort of emergency light system of some description possibly. From what I understand there was frequent power failures in the area they were located out of town and rural area as well. There was evidence of bus system in various buildings with batteries eventually I got the system working again for standby power for low-voltage loads including the battery operated fence charger since this was a form and yes that was the original one that was still working. Also the Pulsar was actually a turn signal flasher module!!!! It looked similar to so we didn't hold together Wilson ignition coil in a few other parts but looked a bit like it was commercially made but who knows. There was two huge insulators coming out of it in one way or another. Almost look like what was on a miniature oil switch for utility purposes. And the interesting thing is there was also next to it box with a large insulator and antenna. And there was a silver box elsewhere I checked it out and sure enough it was some sort of primitive remote switch. There were a few vacuum tubes in each. Apparently this was not a one-way deal it could indicate the status of the unit at the other end as well and if it had been turned off locally there was a red and a green and a Amber or yellow indicator. At that in in the opposite end of the system there's a wall plate with the same and a switch or two as well. And there was also a lightning arrestor on the electric fence that remind me of the horn Gap although more closely resembled a Jacob's Ladder. There was a coil and perhaps a resistor to ground. Also that was located inside a wooden box which makes me think that that was salvaged from something else it was not fitting to the Tom. It was much earlier kind of reminded me of the old birdhouse cutouts. It did have a label on it saying lightning arrester or similar. And there was all kinds of other weird and interesting gadgets and gizmos not the only place I've seen that had someone that was obviously ahead of their time moving or staying there

[@mrhomegrow]

@@aaronbrandenburg2441 sir this is a wendys

[@boxedfender4810]

I'm impressed the label came off in one go

[@luked2767]

I remember these 1st gen consumer ecigs, they where not so bad new but those battery's and the coil that would randomly go. I'm surprised no one got injured.

[@dougsteel7414]

I used to use ones like this. Antique eh... It's fun realising how old your getting

[@nemesis2264]

For something to be considered antique it has to be at least 100 years old, vintage 40 years old and retro 20 years old, therefore any modern e-cig cannot even be considered retro for another 2 years.

[@laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953]

I remember seeing this sort of thing advertised in the Daily Star, maybe 15 years ago. They were the predecessor to vapes but they didn't seem to really take off.

[@dwDragon88]

2009 is vintage? Oh dear I feel old now.

[@smoothemjay3303]

its ancient in the vape game

[@Schyzofrenic87]

I remember starting with those ,, I kinda miss them not to replace my current setup ( Aegis pod pro ) but just to feel nostalgic

[@devnull256]

we had similar thing in UK, it's called SkyCig, almost identical construction and principle

[@PghFlip]

Have some of that type --not the box holder, but the battery and cartridges. the carts were "non refillable" although i filled them through the top anyway. the auto draw ones fail quickly. i tried to take it apart, and it was as destructive as your example and i didn't get much from it.

[@adzib1823]

Nice video (as always), although phase dots for the transformer windings on the schematic would have been nice, and may have been a good cue for the explanation :)

[@bigclivedotcom]

I'm always worried about getting them wrong.

[@Gizmo42Rodeo]

I still have a bunch of 808 style batteries and refillable carts sitting around. I'm still old school and using variable voltage E-go style batteries and tank.

[@KrisHall7997]

I live in America and we had something similar to that in the mid 2000s maybe a little bit later made by a company called Blu and seeing that reminds me of the one that I used to have almost the same exact setup except the case looked like a pack of cigarettes with their branding on it and it didn't have a plug built into it you had to plug the pack in to I believe it was a USB cable and they had a standalone charger that came in the kit that you just put like twisted the battery into and you can charge just a single battery off of USB port instead of two batteries in the whole pack It even had the same style cartridges that look like a cigarette filter with a tip that pierced the foil that you screwed onto the bed exactly the same as what you're holding in your hand

[@lemagreengreen]

Jings, I'd forgotten about those. Was my introduction to vaping and actually got off the cigs with one of those little e-cigs.

[@equid0x]

I had one like this in the US circa 2009. The cartomizers didn't need piercing with any 3rd adapter, though. The light on the battery stick would blink during charging then stay steady when charged. I remember the battery getting me through about half a day of smoking. I replaced it with a vivi nova and ego-t when they came out because they were refillable. I eventually stopped vaping because I started developing a reaction to Propylene Glycol. Pure VG didn't bother me.

[@motttta]

I used to have one of those 10 years ago. Not with that box but exactly the same including the interior and the several filters. Was nice for the nice 5-10 puffs. Then it died.

[@loam6740]

I remember seeing the first electronic cigs at mall kiosks as a kid, could not have imagined how big vaping is today. I've heard form some channels if you don't say any bad (demonetization) words in the first few minutes it usually passes, no idea how true that is

[@ChrisLincoln]

Oh wow, this is almost exactly how the original Blu e-cigs worked. The pack had spots for cartridges, same form factor and screw in charger. They put a battery in the pack though.

[@binary841010100]

tq for all the educational videos 👍👍👍

[@BEdmonson85]

I remember seeing a kiosk in a mall on the north side of Atlanta, GA just before the xmas season in '09 that was advertising these newfangled e-cigs. I scoffed at the idea of an electronic cigarette. I could have never imagined just how big they would get. If I remember correctly, back then they were advertising them as a smoking cessation aid rather than a legit tobacco replacement product.

[@richardbriansmith8562]

Awesome big Clive

[@tigard375]

I noticed you used an adapter for the vape. The HOPI seems to have a universal adapter already built in. Is it still necessary to use the adapter you used in order to correct the voltage or polarity?

[@bigclivedotcom]

Spacer.

[@sr212787]

I used to use something just like this. I loved it because it looked and felt like cigarette. The pack was like earbuds: You USB charge the pack, then the pack could hold one cigarette and charge a second one several times, and held 6 carriages. It's kinda sad you ripped this one apart, but cool to see.

[@IIVQ]

I bet that the hardened steel wool on the tip is in fact sintered material - basically small balls of metal that are pressed into bonding with each other without it really melting.