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[@robertm6312]

Anyone else laugh when he said the Honda S2000 was cheap?

[@thesportswarehouse8853]

For real

[@jonathanragle9838]

You can still get one under $20k. That is like 40% of the average new car in the US. You can't even get a new Corolla for that price.

[@993isgawd]

@@jonathanragle9838 That would be Hoovie hooptee material at that price.

[@nofwild6325]

It’s, middle of the road

[@devintrudeau6351]

I love how Doug is really been bringing out the deepest parts of his inner corvette guys soul with each of these question panels 🤣🤣

[@gallo2432]

which doug

[@johnh2349]

…but why in Johnny Knoxville’s voice?

[@Alystas]

Expected him to go "My Corvette is best Corvette 'cause..." XD

[@keytel1]

the lawn chair had it 🤣🤣🤣

[@arecaubrecht162]

But man he is pretty realistic in all honesty, especially with the C4/C3 reference 😂

[@Gunt4sh]

I have an 84 Porsche 944 and even though its slow, its incredibly well balanced, handles fantastic, well built and just an all around great car.

[@Kpournaras222]

Good shit

[@fishingafterdark]

I've got a early production 86 Turbo and i freaking love it. My motto is "Sucking Gas Hauling Ass"

[@LaneyMatthews]

A 944 has been my dream car since I watched 16 candles about 10 years ago, I am absolutely in love with that car

[@eddmosby333]

My boy has 2 944 turbos, 88, n 89 tho

[@EdBolian]

What other questions should we ask the panel?

[@bestdiycarcustomization941]

Money no object three car garage

[@TopiT23]

Most over rated car!

[@pistonburner6448]

-How do/did they practice driving? Snowy parking lots? Twisty back roads? No such opportunities and they had to suffer through Florida's straight roads and only got sporadic track days or trips somewhere else over the years to do proper driving to hone their skills and get the feel for driving? Did they get driver training? Where they lived was sporty driving risky or easily possible without risk?

[@danielcrane1682]

Preface it with, "Other than the Miata" and add a price limit because "cheap" is subjective. Obviously you can't redo this video in the near future, though. So I'm all for @TopiT23 suggestion. Most overrated car ever

[@WhatSaab]

Most underrated car!

[@jayringo77]

I'm so glad Randy and Arne brought up the rear wheel drive Volvos! Great question and answers from the community. Would love to see more quick videos like this when Doug isn't able to get in front of the cameras. MORE DOUG PLZ!! He's GOT to have a great Corvette story with the C8s by now....

[@that_camo_bronco_guy]

Arnr brought up a front wheel drive one though, however these are two of the only cheap ones I heard of here other than a Miata, where the hell will you find a 911 under 10k that runs? You can't, trick question

[@kylemontano228]

@@that_camo_bronco_guyyou can’t, but the guys saying you can get a boxter under 10k are right

[@gabeorlowitzracing]

Just bought a 1.6 spec Miata, going to race it this year in the SCCA. Can’t wait! Nice to hear all the Miata praise here.

[@jfwfreo]

As an Aussie I would have to say that a Holden or HSV Ute with the V8 motor would have to be an awesome vehicle. RWD, manual gearbox and (depending on what you can get in budget) power to burn from the big V8. Plus its a vehicle in a style that will likely never exist again (car body with a rear tray).

[@eddmosby333]

😂😂 "rear tray" 🤣🤣 I just watched donut n James was just saying "oh sorry last episode I said holden was a truck with a bed, not a bed, rear tray" 🤣🤣🤣

[@mattarnold198]

Back when I was in college, an early 90s Lancia Delta HF Integralé might've made this list at only £4,000 - £18,000. Then Top Gear and Fifth Gear did episodes on them and their value skyrocketed over the next few years - now the same ones can be seen for around £80,000 - and that was a few years ago I last checked!

[@98integraGSR]

98-02 F-body... Huge aftermarket, nice T56 six speed and an aluminum LS from the factory, decent suspension,and can be built from mild to wild, for any discipline you enjoy

[@vdubgus]

Evos are not cheap at all they cost as much as a new car now

[@jeremywentworth1833]

That's adsatly what I thought no way is any generation cheap and they certainly drink like an alcoholic on a night out. Top gear I'm English in the days when it was the best motoring comedy journalism in the world. Clarkson had an 8 Fq360 doing 4 mpg on a track. At the time on track a Lamborghini Gallardo was doing more.

[@Rekuzan]

Back in the day I would have said the Datsun Z series, but that was then, and nowadays yer lucky to find one intact, let alone running.

[@missioncreekstyle3814]

Like the S30 Chassis? You're right. You will need help finding one, especially a 240Z. They are also much more expensive than many of these cars now! I'd love to have another. Mine was a rust bucket. The 1975 280Z is the one to get in California, as it's the last that requires smog. You can swap engines in one, many choose a V8, but I like to keep it JDM. Usually a more powerful Nissan engine. I have a 300ZX N/A Slicktop set up for the track. I have been to Laguna Seca and Thunderhill. Great car.

[@Rekuzan]

@@missioncreekstyle3814 Duder definitely has a point about the Volvo 7xx & 9xx series though! Surprisingly fun to drive and there's SO MUCH you can with them using FCP Euro

[@Rekuzan]

Not to mention moar reliable than your average track car because, yaknow, older Volvo!

[@tylerfitzgerald266]

S2000 owner here and I was ecstatic to hear Ed start off with that considering I have always enjoyed every car in his collection, so looks like we may have a similar styles lol def not in clothes style though 😂

[@johnnymula2305]

Im really surprised no one mentioned the BMW 1 series. Can be easily modified. Can be had with or without turbo. 50/50 weight ratio. And damn cool looking. Plus its a simple BMW not full of electronics. Its a back to basics model. I love mine!

[@JWsGarage]

I agree with so many different opinions in this video. Just swapped ATSV big brakes on to a C5 corvette for track use. Super cheap big brake mod.

[@mitch_lifeoregondayz2449]

My 1990 firebird formula with the ws6 package for 4k$ was the best car purchase I've ever made fun wise

[@Steveosupremeo]

$10k is better spent on C5 Corvette or a GT86. I have no idea why people recommend modern muscle cars.

[@bradybodine2295]

I always say the dodge neon srt4 is the perfect first “tuner” car. Sure it’s a neon but those things are a blast pretty damn reliable, easy to work on, and fast as hell, just gotta find one that’s not rusted to the ground haha!

[@jeremypappas8942]

Can we create a category for, non basic answer, but still a great one. This dudes neon and my trombone g35. Great shitter cars. Still cheap and easy to find today.

[@bwofficial1776]

It's always a rare sighting to see a Neon. It's either some barely-running beater with faded paint or riced out with a dumb body kit, big grille, and big wing buzzing down the road.

[@JGSnipes]

I gotta say under 10k either a c5 corvette, 350z, Mini Cooper s, or an mr2 spider

[@benjaminhughes3892]

I've owned half of these. Boosted Miatas, b5 audi s4's and 986 boxster S. They're all great choices

[@andrewwhite6627]

Third gen Camaros, the market tops around 20k and decent running driving cars are around 5k fun lots of aftermarket parts, you can't go wrong

[@SurfingWithTheMartian]

Miatas are everywhere which makes them cheap but because of their commonality the cool factor is on the low side. I’ll take my MB SLK 280 with the V6 all day long over a Miata or a Boxster.

[@Shawn_the_Protogen]

When in doubt, Miata. I see SOOOO many here in Boston and they are still dirt cheap. Used ones can be had for under $12k and even the super nice ones are still under $15k.

[@danielmiller1462]

E36 m3 is an incredible choice as well

[@mubasherrehman9976]

What about Doug DeMuro, Tyler Hoover, Mike Finnigan, Mighty car mods, David Freiburger, DankPods, Rattarossa, Rob Faretti and the like. These are some great KZbinrs that are missing. And how about including car from their country as well?

[@Masked_Official]

"cheap" I googled every car, all of them 50-80k AUD... lmao

[@westrx7]

Got agree on the Miata if I was that stuggling college student. For a few bucks more the C4/5 Vettes. But now that I have a real job, the snub in me says Porsche Cayman S/GTS.

[@664_32]

5th gen 1LE 2SS camaro. Are able to be found at 20k even less I know not the cheapest but it’s a great bang for the buck if you wanna step up your daily driver game or you want something sub 30k to enjoy on the weekends without high repair bills. Daily drivable LS3 6spd manual lower geared rearend on a torsen diff with track tuned suspension and great hooning seats hud brembo brakes. Highly tunable and tons of mods

[@philspaghet]

S2000s are fantastic starter track cars. I track mine and from the factory they're pretty much set up for track work! Over time you will need to address rewelding the front wishbone arm mounts and upgrading valve retainers and keepers but that's pretty simple

[@strangeclouds7]

Wouldn't call them cheap anyone

[@philspaghet]

@strangeclouds58 decent ones are 15k but at that price they're basically track prepped Miatas with significantly more power

[@strangeclouds7]

@@philspaghet I've seen really nice ones for 30k plus

[@strangeclouds7]

@@philspaghet Shoot a decent Integra that hasn't been completely ruined is selling for 15k easy

[@GordonGAndrew]

986 Boxster S over Miata. In every way.

[@ICKY427]

miata of course, but specifically, if you can find a deal on one, get a 2.5 swapped 3rd gen. its a LOT more torque than even an nd so you CAN wind it out, but you dont have to. and its just a slightly better car all around than the na/nb.

[@michaelwolfe9274]

2nd gen Rx7... easy similar to the miata with front engine rwd with near 50/50 weight distribution.

[@jasonshort3047]

My vote goes to a Saturn Sky/Pontiac Solstice. They're like a Miata/s2k without having to pay the "bro-tax." Otherwise, if you can deal with FWD, it's hard to beat a Fiat 500 Abarth/turbo. Absolutely banging cars for the money.

[@dannybailes3948]

Nobody said the Volvo s60R. 300hp turbo under $5k. Buy it for the same price as a Miata.

[@winddude9]

Miata is always the answer. Like to questions like, "what car should be selling at 1/4 of the price?".

[@rickroma]

market finally seems to be coming down for them, even if it's very slowly

[@bikerdavedave]

I love my SLK350!

[@JohnEngel]

Ed let me know next time and I will be happy to be part of the video group. 😅

[@tonyneves1388]

What about Slk or Z3 ????

[@andrewbernard1911]

Didn’t know crown Vic was a sport car 🤣

[@kellyscars]

Don't buy a Fiat X-1/9!!!

[@marchenning5037]

🤣 I bought a Bertone X1.9 sight unseen never driven one just wanted one. Arrived in the morning returned in the afternoon couldn't fit into it.

[@davidfurney3945]

How the hell is he gonna say the evo 8/9 is a cheap sports car with a straight face

[@kevspec]

Good luck maintaining a 986 lol. Best cheap German sports car has to be e36 m3!

[@TamagoHead]

Ed needs an open top car. Not sure how far the s2k seats move back tho…

[@ericmueser]

I'm a Miata owner, and I approve this message.

[@KraZbmx]

C5 corvette if you want power and handling🙏🏼💯

[@sjoy4969]

Saturn Sky or Pontiac Solstice Turbo. Cheap, fast, raw

[@gregg3916]

Surprised no one said 350z/370z or g35/g37 coupe

[@apo0od1]

Nissan z

[@zenupe84]

I have a 86 944 fun car to drive

[@marchenning5037]

Personally living in South Africa miatas are extremely expensive and rare to find so no cheap there.

[@AorsVel]

Where on earth are you finding a 996 for 10k

[@Midnight.Media09]

As an owner of a platform that 100% couldve made this video im glad it didnt, the rest of youtube already blew up market for em 😂

[@rnt45t1]

Where the hell are you finding a 996 for 10-$12k?

[@valboski]

I CANT BELIEVE NOBODY SAID A 350Z!!!! AT LEAST I DIDNT CATCH ANYONE SAYING IT

[@ryanwang6487]

No Z3? :(

[@dave3864]

Cheap! Are you referring to the amount of money that takes to purchase one of these or are you referring to how it's made?

[@hyper8545]

Depends on what you call cheap

[@mishianmaznini9784]

This video definitely increased miata prices in some way... There was an na in my area with an asking of $32k. The s2k might be the cheaper car nowadays.

[@DirtDude117]

What S2000s or 996s are cheap? I'll buy them all!

[@davidshaw164]

986 Boxster ftw! S2000 are just sooooo expensive now... sad but true.

[@MaxSpeedMike]

I should have picked the S2000 haha. Cheap is relative though, and I bought that trackrat Miata for only $800. Hard to beat the amount of car for the money haha. Thanks for having me on!

[@Steveosupremeo]

The s2000 hasn’t been cheap in years. I would have not gone with that

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@Steve Munguia like I mentioned, cheap is relative. To some people, $15-20k for a sports car may be considered "cheap." A decent s2k is now $15-17k+ in my area. That brings you an s2k with around 140k+ miles, some light mods, not so great paint etc. Miss the days where those numbers brought you a more pristine one, but I still think those cars are well worth the money. Not much else like it out there

[@daveblock4061]

Pretty much the Elise, S2000 and Miata. TR6 was a good call.

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@@daveblock4061 all great options indeed

[@JK-js2td]

@@gingerninjer355 exactly Ginger! 😂

[@joefarmer4465]

Can't believe no one picked Toy. MR2 Spyder True mid engine . Best handling.

[@NickSchoess]

Until you hit the brakes

[@NickSchoess]

@@gingerninjer355 not referring to braking power... I'm referring to the deadly snap oversteer that it's notorious for. RCR has a great demonstration of it in their review of the MR2.

[@missioncreekstyle3814]

Good call. I like those except the first gen.

[@cornercarver636]

@@NickSchoess Snap oversteer is nothing but driver error. It is such an easy car to drive fast.

[@djgoodot]

Those were “ok” cars but not great at all

[@vandecar15]

I KNEW Randy was going to shout out the Volvo 740! As a long-time 240 and 740 owner, people these days would be shocked how well they handle out of the box. With a little wrenching and upgrades, they are really fun to drive and you wont lose your license taking them up to redline! Long live the turbo brick!

[@TheFloridaStig]

A Volvo wagon is on my bucket list

[@paulsimonsson]

Heat hear!

[@meejinhuang]

Most of the cars recommended are not cheap at all.

[@jeffomalley6015]

I'm surprised nobody said the 350Z or 370Z

[@ThePandagansta]

I was looking for this comment.

[@davidmopar8446]

Same , id get an 07 08 350z over any miata.

[@cesariojpn]

Many are now becoming "drift missles" and they have an extremely fatal flaw with the oil stick.

[@bobesmundo3897]

@@cesariojpn What exactly do you mean?

[@iamgeek246]

I had a 2002 S2000. One of my favorite all-around cars. Torque/power was low, but the fun factor was top notch.

[@RollinwithRoland]

Ed's idea of a "cheap" Sports car now cost about the same as some BRAND NEW cars... Cannot wait to see what the rest of this list is comprised of, heh! I'd speak my favorite but they're starting to rise in value as well... Casey, Randy, and Ficarra have some excellent choices though no one on the list mentioned my favorite with that 80's digital dash, T-Tops, and Pop-ups... XD

[@Slowcarfastbeans]

I thought Ed only liked lambop’s with the side mirror knocked off?

[@bigalsgarage9323]

There a bit old but ‘65-‘69 Corvair. Despite what Ralph Nader said about them, they actually handle really well. They’re fun in the twisties, rear wheel drive. You can get them with manuals and they come as coups, convertibles and four doors!

[@ralphharrison6622]

my dad had a corvair monza, and it was excellent. instant heat, handled great, and was sporty.

[@JK-js2td]

@@ralphharrison6622 yeah the Monzas were the ones to have Always liked the Yenkos too!!! But im sure those arent cheap!

[@TeddyRumble]

Yeah but way old. If you go that far back. ZERO was better than a '67 Ford Mustang.

[@MK-su6eg]

Hitch hiked from Santa Barbara boat harbor to SB campus spring break back inthe late 70s, 2 dudes picked up 4of us ,and we squeezed in the back seat, and that corvair handle like a charm ! What a classic example of a great car! Aloha!

[@virgochild]

I love my SLK320 I picked up for $4K last year, was over $50K when new, sure wish she was a 6 Speed! Magic Mike loves his SLK32 with 348HP, I'm sure they can be had for cheep! And yes my 92 Yellow Miata was a hell of a ride back in the 2000's!

[@recyclespinning9839]

Impossible to find in 6speed..

[@sneezinhatch]

A 370z is another decent car

[@TheQuestionableGarage]

I feel like a few have lost touch with what cheap is. Anything over $20k is off the table for ‘cheap’, really pushing $10k is hard to accept as cheap for most viewers, so that’s were the Longhorn parking lot panel set our threshold, and all four picks are perfect and right in that range! Also lots of power and fun. 4 doors can be sports cars.

[@kingcountrytowing]

I think I mentioned case of beer and a pack of cigarettes as being the price of my pick lol

[@superleggera1900]

Hard to go wrong with a corvette around 10k. But my pick would be an E36/E46 3 series. RWD, manual, 6 cylinder, lots of aftermarket support.

[@nick_kilgore]

987 Boxster/Cayman all the way. One of the best handling cars I’ve driven only surpassed by newer caymans and Boxsters. Imo the handling feels better than a 997.2 Turbo S, a 991.2 Turbo, and a 2015 Audi R8 v10. (Just some reference as to how good it is).

[@missioncreekstyle3814]

How about the Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo? With bolt-ons, you can make double the stock horsepower. A challenge to work on, but it looks sexy (IMO). I have an NA. Even cheaper and easier to work on. Not featured in Fast 'n Furious - so not as popular. :-) Trust me, it's a proper driver's platform.

[@salihahzem]

S2000 has one of the best feeling MT transmission I have ever driven; owned one in pristine condition for 2 years; eventually sold it because it was not the best for daily driving. But chassis felt so rigid, not a slightest of flex which I cannot say about my bro’s new ‘22 Miata.

[@missioncreekstyle3814]

I love Miata, but I'd like to try one.

[@jameswillard1]

Having had both an S2000 and ND Miata I completely agree and find it a bit disappointing that the newer ND is so much worse than the S2K in chassis stiffness, particularly since it’s the newer car but I guess that X-back bone chassis that the engineers raves about really did work. The most surprising thing though is, despite having better chassis stiffness I actually find the ND2 was more fun and better to own that than S2K in almost every single way 🤔

[@salihahzem]

@@jameswillard1 Great recap; I agrer on that too, revving the heck out of the engine and wait until VTEC kicks in was getting tired after a while plus ND is more comfortable for most roads. Still, if it is the pure fun factor you are looking for, S2000 is a the one for may be a 3rd car to own, not even 2nd.

[@Firebird400]

I honestly don’t think you can argue with a c5 corvette or a ls1 camaro z28 . Even a lt1 fbody is a lot of car for the money

[@justinray662]

another one missed is the BMW Z4's, older ones are getting cheap. although not that fast its a inline six manual stwo seater.

[@ElliottAlvis]

There were a ton of good answers here. But I stand by my decision. Even if Doug called C4's "junky" right before me 😂

[@FrankCastle694]

Just sold my s2k and looking for a c6 zo6

[@davidmopar8446]

Thats a good jump , my brother has one and its such a monster for the price.

[@seanmcmanus4243]

soooo a miata or a corvette... or a porsche. Im suprised nobody said a Z, personally i love my 350z! :)

[@omegaentertainment1]

Lexus is300 especially if you can find a non-abused manual. 4 doors, super reliable, and still so much fun to drive. They still look cool also 🤘

[@JK-js2td]

Looks cool is a matter of opinion, ha!

[@missioncreekstyle3814]

@@JK-js2td It's good for a daily.

[@illuminate4]

not to mention the sc300 (or 400). about as close as us normies could get to owning a supra without going into debt

[@Louie_Rodriguez]

It’s a shame the Nissan 350Z wasn’t mentioned ONCE but a Lancer Evolution was considered …

[@F0bius]

Next Car Trek: If the MX5 is apparently more or less the best affordable sports car, which generation/version is the best?

[@jameswillard1]

NA1 or ND2 in my opinion

[@ericmueser]

It all depends on what you're looking for.

[@aphromew4502]

Is Ficarra okay? He's looking a little lean. Hope you are making those annual check-ups to the doc man!

[@southernpimp5252]

Came here to say the same thing.

[@theanomalous1401]

I will say that if you have watched all of Ficcara's videos chronologically in order, you can literally see John aging over a 6 1/2 year period.

[@kingcountrytowing]

He's OK I was just talking to him, he's working as a stunt choreographer on a theater show, so he's dropped a ton of weight, I wish I could do the same!

[@southernpimp5252]

@@kingcountrytowing That’s good.

[@kingcountrytowing]

@southernpimp5252 he's a super nice guy I talk to him often

[@Rekuzan]

Something he neglected to mention is that the Volvo 7xx & 9xx series are practically indestructible, same for the Aisen Warner transmissions they put in them.

[@sfarc2359]

Damn, I'm glad no one mentioned the E46, keep the prices low till I can afford at least 3 of them XD

[@danielcrane1682]

Right! I love videos like this but they're super effective at driving up prices

[@BenjaminVaterlaus]

I love that Ed has dragonfruit on his shirt. Only CarTrek guy who could pull that off. :)

[@sallevadorradman1938]

Mini Cooper S. I drove one. Had to get rid of it because of interest rate. I would buy one in a heart beat though. That being said my next car is GOING to be a mustang.

[@Miha_Asic]

Why is it more important than ever to fight every ticket? I'd say for modern society more important than anything would be to own your mistakes (and tickets) if you actually did them..

[@bwofficial1776]

Why give the government any of your hard-earned money? They waste enough of it as is. You lose nothing by challenging a ticket and stand to save money and points. You have the right to challenge it and face your accuser, use that right.

[@goosegarage78]

all terrible terrible choices. wouldnt pick a *plot spoiler: 90% say miata - chevy ss/PPV/pontiac gto/pontiac G8 - ford/chevy/dodge van yes not a sports car but nobody expects to be blown away by a VAN. - ford T bucket - mazda 626 - BMC mini

[@ValkyrieLightwing]

My opinion based on personal experience, the Chevy Cobalt SS Turbo. Those things are an absolute blast. Yea they're fwd, but if you're looking for a drift car there are many more options. For a straight up driving car, definitely the Cobalt. Dirt cheap, you can get upwards of 300-350whp without doing a full engine build, they handle great, look great (imo), just all round a fun time.

[@KA-om9oz]

Go back to the basement

[@ValkyrieLightwing]

@@KA-om9oz Who ever said I left?

[@mr2die431]

Mid-engine, turbo and supercharger options, t-tops, two seater, rear wheel drive, 5-speed, pop-up headlights, Toyota reliability.....ANF NOBODY MENTIONED THE MR2??

[@gaydes1012]

for me it's the American tuner triplets: Chevy Cobalt SS, Ford Focus SVT, or Dodge Neon SRT4. they're cheap as dirt, drive pretty good, and theirs aftermarket parts to fix most common problems that they have.

[@OhImSaucy]

They look so damn ugly though.

[@recyclespinning9839]

Nothings cheap now. 2 years ago you could by a nice manual Corvette for 10k. Same car is at least $15k. C5 2004 and newer are like $20k

[@chaoticlyfe]

The amount of Miata compared to boxter is appalling. The Porsche boxter is incredible and you can find them well UNDER 10k

[@mistreku]

E36, straight 6, longitudinal engine, RWD, 50/50 weight distribution, just as God intended.

[@pinkyellowblue007]

Miata

[@paulbingville6485]

Guess I'm an old fart, but to me "sports car" means a roadster or, at the very least, at least a 2 seater convertible, so quite a few of those entries would not qualify.

[@paulkulaga6374]

Miata's an obvious choice, but an RX8 with a good engine can be had for cheaper and is pretty much a Miata with a little more power and better handling. If you really want to save money you can get a blown one for dirt cheap and rebuild the engine and you'll have a really solid car for around $4000 at least where I live.

[@heroesofthelandstrasse]

Best answer yet. Yes, I'm a RX-8 owner ;)

[@dougcook5167]

I've driven an s2000, Miata MX-5, and RX-8. I'll take the RX-8 hands down! It has more power, better handling (especially with PS4S tires), a 9500rpm redline, and room for four passengers. It's been my daily driver for 7 1/2 years. They are under $10K, but just make sure you get the Series II (2009-2011) for much better reliability.

[@firebythewater4477]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Miata!

[@edwarddegalan107]

LOL

[@discodiana1984]

Glad to see the TR6 getting a mention.

[@missioncreekstyle3814]

Same. I wanted one very badly as my first car. They were a little too expensive in 1979! Note that he said, "well sorted." I usually see them in pretty trashed condition these days. Sad.

[@TeddyRumble]

It's about as much fun as can be had. Finicky though.