Virus vs Viper

I am comparing some patches from the Virus I have recreated with Viper.

[@jamesp1448]

Ive got the TI and have to say, that viper is spot on. Will grab a copy when the virus presets can be imported. Great work. Both amazing synths.

[@ericb9609]

I emailed to him in that respect last weekend. It's planned although it might be long to come since he said developing sysex import will be time consuming

[@artakan303]

Finally ! For people discussing if it's the same or not, you can think of it as synthesis images, the more we go into the future, the more the synthetic image/sound looks/sounds like the real thing ...it's not exactly the same, but we REALLY getting there .... Thank you Adam !

[@scottharris7222]

This is impressive. I have a Virus C and your software is in the zone. Well done.

[@amberdean1263]

Definitely some timbral differences between the two to my ears but I can tell this VST was modelled after the Virus and it gets pretty close!

[@SampleScienceSounds]

Sounds exactly the same to my ears. Good work man!

[@snowleopard9749]

In the venerable voice of Fry: Shut up and take my money!

[@ericb9609]

who cares about the minute differences between the 2? I've got a Virus Rack and I compared some of the presets that are also available in Viper... It's definitely spot-on, Adam Szabo did a great job in reproducing the Virus sound. A Szabo confirmed to me that importing sysex files is part of the roadmap, so that's good new!

[@StevieMasters]

I have a TI 2 and while it is not the same for various reasons this is a nice sounding VST and track worthy. I wouldn't snub it over the TI if I wanted to lay down some stuff without firing up the virus.

[@minusrandloev261]

Still using JP6K, and im definitely gonna grab this one also!. Nice work Adam

[@nullnull4494]

wow it sounds amazing! what do you use to program your own vst?

[@djRoyalTee]

I have a Virus TI and a Virus C...this is impressive... Wish we could hear some Bass patches... +adamszabomusic let me know if you need some testers or tracks for demos! :)

[@intrance5745]

99% similarity. It looks like a viper is an amazing vsti.

[@AmeyahOfficialTV]

thats pretty close, good job!

[@ivanendeavour815]

As soon as it comes for Mac x64 I´ll buy it

[@shitmandood]

Now that it's released, I'll have to add this one to my buy list. I was actually thinking about getting a Virus next year, but that $2100 price tag is scaring me.

[@EyezerProductionz]

I also planned on getting a Virus TI since many in the Hardstyle scene uses it and from what I've heard, it's an amazing synth. But after doing some research, I realized it's pointless to own a Virus TI if you use FL Studio (which I do). Comes with a lot of trouble in FL Studio and the developers have no interest in fixing it. Viper isn't 100% the same as a Virus TI but close enough and will be a good substitute for the Virus TI. Viper is the best VST currently (out all of the one's I've tried) for pads, very rich sound. Just like the Virus TI :P

[@shitmandood]

I didn't know that about the Virus not working with FL Studio. That's a shame. I got FL Studio Producer many years ago & still keep it current. My first DAW. It has one of the best Piano Roll/MIDI editors of just about every DAW I've seen & I still like to use it & the Riff Maker. Over the years, I've collected a couple of other DAWS: Reason and then Bitwig is the latest addition. However, I'll probably just stick with the Viper VST when I get it instead of dealing with the TI at least for now. Although what I hear people are spending a fortune on these days isn't the Virus but modular synth components. Boggles the mind.

[@EyezerProductionz]

It does work in FL Studio, but far from as efficient as it should be. The developer of FL Studio himself (Gol) is pretty anti-hardware. The only hardware he has given some credit is the Virus synths, otherwise he has said in an interview that hardware synths never really impressed him at all. I think he shoots himself in the foot by not making sure there is support for at least the Virus TI for FL Studio. I've seen multiple established producers switch from FL Studio to another DAW because of this particular issue. The problem with FL Studio (and I love this DAW deeply, I will probably only use FL Studio as my DAW of choice) is the developer(s) are marketing it for commercial use. Most FL Studio users use it for mainstream EDM or Hiphop. But if you want to take your music to another level, you will need a Virus (or Viper as a good alternative). Image-Line sadly does not have us who want to take our music to a higher level in their main interests. They want the Martin Garrix kind of producers to use their software. It really sucks because FL Studio is in my opinion the superior DAW, except when it comes to wanting to use the Virus TI. I think the non-TI Virus synths work better but I'm not sure. But I hope Adam Szabo will keep improving Viper over the years. It's already amazing and I hope it will get even more amazing and maybe even rival out the Virus TI almost completely :P

[@shitmandood]

I just upgraded my Producer edition to the latest release & the demo that played was very high quality. He might have a point. However, there are other systems as you've said to mess with the hardware. Right now I want to look into music production so not as interested in the hardware just yet. Hell, I just downloaded the free Zebralette, which it stated is a trojan horse to get you to buy Zebra2. After listening to the presets, I could really see why it would be worth the money. It seems like you can't have enough synths to mess with. My goal right now is to produce a shit-ton of tracks with the stuff I currently own (I still need a good Bass VST though) & then after I've done that, I'll probably look at getting some hardware, perhaps next year if I'm on track with track-building.

[@PhysicsViolator]

@Lowlife Illusion yeah thats true i own two viruses the C and the ti snow and they both crash from Time to time

[@caltomka]

Adam you are great!! Amazing sound! This is VST instruments?

[@radurobert1]

Now if you push this plugin to the max and you add more futures maybe in the future Viper will have a dedicated MIDI controller like Ni Machine have.

[@user-hz2fc1pm3u]

I'm in full expectation! Yours faithfully from Russia...

[@WAKMM]

I got it and i consider it like the Virus TI3 .. plus i hate using hardware so this is a must have

[@Mandy-Lane]

well i had a novation ultra nova in 2017 and sold it.. it was a hardware synth, yeah sure it looks good and fun to play with the knobs and buttons and one reason i sold is because it had not many factory patches... also i have both soft synths in my daw and real hardware synths and i must admit now we live in the time where they almost don't make sense anymore to use hardware.. same goes for reverb, delays, mastering hardware units.. people who listen to music wont know what you used whether it was a plugin or real hardware. does the viper load virus ti patches and can it load older virus patches for example from virus c? i think if yes, then this is revolutionary.

[@adamszabomusic]

Yes you can load any Virus model banks into Viper.

[@АлександрВизгунов-ы6б]

Amazing!!!

[@dylanloera6138]

cant wait for the 64 bit version to come out so I can use it in my productions

[@daxxravebusters]

It's interesting how the soundheroes here can judge about More Higher Frequencies or more deep etc by a 196kbits mp3 which cuts highs higher than 14khz. You Criticrambos should really get a serious hobby. :)

[@illford]

@@TheJohnsofDoes I'm just laughing at how seriously you took this, it's incredible how easily offended people can get over differing views on something

[@plasmaforce11]

very cool :)

[@מיכאלב-ה5מ]

the preset from 5:03 really nice

[@hjjigga8267]

Hey Adam! Will this beast be Mac compatible and will there be a 64 bit version? thanks man, hope you're well

[@adamszabomusic]

Its made with FlowStone, which does not save to mac and 64 bit so I am afraid not. I cant do anything about that :(

[@hjjigga8267]

Ah Darn, well if you eventually find a way to make synths that are mac compatible I will definitely buy them haha! Also do you do any private production lessons by chance? Emailed you a while back but never got a response, cheers man! :)

[@adamszabomusic]

Ah sorry, might have missed it! Unfortunately no, I wouldn't really have time for all of that. I hardly have time for my own stuff.

[@adamszabomusic]

If everything goes well it should be out before the end of the year

[@SpektralJo]

adam, wil there ever be 64 bit support in flowstone?

[@vasyaivanov9561]

FM modulation in the virus has always been very cool. That is the reason I bought the virus. Question Viper repeats the modulation of the virus? Or is there a pitiful semblance like in others vst?

[@adamszabomusic]

Yes, Viper very closely emulates the modulation of the Virus.

[@recursionloop9304]

If you mean posTri, Viper is awesome at it!

[@ВладимирХ-д2ы]

Plese make a synth, that sounds better than virus! ))

[@Sunstatemusic]

Adam, your test is not a full since you use Virus in USB mode, but in analog outputs mode quality of its sound is much much better!

[@theeltea]

What a load of horseshit... Are you serious?

[@Sunstatemusic]

Do you have a Virus? I have it about 8 years and know what talk about;)

[@theeltea]

I sure do. And have been owning Viruses since the original "A" came out in late 90s to the Ti2. So, yeah, I kinda "know" what I talk about... You either fix your DAW or get a decent audio-interface. Or both.

[@Sunstatemusic]

TheLT Are Antelope Audio Orion 32 and RME FF800 32 decent cards? And are Cubase 8.5, Logic Pro X decent DAWs?

[@theeltea]

Nope. The regular Orion 32 has been nothing but trouble over USB and most people I know have switched to the converter-mode of it. If you're getting USB issues with your Ti, there are options to fix it. In no way analog outputs give you "much much better" audio if you're not experiencing USB issues. While I don't use USB, it's totally useable on the road or in an isolated case scenario like this.

[@clydehoho9240]

Will it be possible to import virus soundbanks? That would have been amazing!

[@adamszabomusic]

I am not sure, sounds very difficult to do.

[@monderomusic1556]

Please

[@Pain-Productions]

This would be a killer feature. If not just another VST Synth witch sounds pretty good

[@PhysicsViolator]

@@Pain-Productions he might get lawsuits from acceas LOL

[@АлександрВизгунов-ы6б]

@@adamszabomusic amazing idea :)

[@RD-ni7qe]

I'm still not 100% convinced with Viper (just yet). I feel that the FX section in the Virus Ti is just too unique... and has not been replicated very well in Viper. For example, I think the EQ sounds very different between the Virus Ti and Viper. And the Distortion sounds a bit different as well... hmmm Still hoping one day I can drop the Virus and just use Viper!

[@adamszabomusic]

Its impossible to create a 1:1 replica, only Access can create a true virus vst. This is an emulation and there could be some minor differences. The goal here was to create a synth the is very close in functionality and sound to a virus.

[@sannamati4571]

If you want virus sound, buy virus

[@zeridium9129]

Thank's for that video. I just bought the Viper and I'm having a very hard time creating my own bank, saving my presets without erasing my own patches :( Could you make a tutorial on how to deal with it???

[@adamszabomusic]

Hi, its very easy. Just save every preset (.fxp files) you create in a folder, then in Viper load the Empty soundbank from the factory banks folder, and replace each Init presets with your saved presets. Then you can save the entire bank.

[@zeridium9129]

@@adamszabomusic replace? You mean "load presets" right?

[@adamszabomusic]

@@zeridium9129 Yes, you "load presets" and replace the existing "init" patches in the emtpy soundbank.

[@jd3k385]

Just one question, when?

[@adamszabomusic]

I think 2 months and its ready!

[@djCatscan]

Mac OS X please🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@NuthinButRespect]

Nope, Enough Mac crap already Bud sorry. =] lol

[@EuphonicSoundz587]

Do I need the actual Virus Ti Hardware to run the software Virus vst / plugin or can I use the Virus Ti plugin / vst by it self without the Virus Hardware ?

[@adamszabomusic]

You need the virus hardware

[@EuphonicSoundz587]

adamszabomusic Thanks for you're response, in this case would you happen to know when the Viper will be released ?

[@adamszabomusic]

I dont know yet, its still work in progress. I hope its out in a few months maybe in spring sometime.

[@mayk3l7]

I wish it had step sequencer

[@adamszabomusic]

It has! You can turn the arpeggiator into a step sequencer :)

[@SYQmusic]

Great! Can it read virus presets? ;)

[@adamszabomusic]

Not at the moment but perhaps in a future update it might be possible

[@Redbel]

Ti have more compression and more bass ,so it sounds better ,its like cubase and fl studio ,audio engine is different

[@MrDobleagent]

but 64 bits please... cubase 9.5 doesn't support 32

[@SpektralJo]

how much will it be? :)

[@Chris-St-DE]

It's 89 Euros. www.adamszabo.com/viper/

[@radurobert1]

I purchased Virus Ti in 2012 and sold this cacalaca hardware 3 years latter because is a real virus (DELAY AND BUGS ISSUES) also the hardware have USB 1.0 interface and poor DSP power . Also the sound is poor compared to a Moog for example . So Viper is better than the shitty Virus TI . In my opinion Virus TI worth 50$ real value . Not joking

[@jameshare1848]

It was too complicated for you

[@synthoelectro]

viper to me sounds more warm, and probably nearer to the original.

[@theeltea]

Is that Flowstone-based again? If so, please, step away from that piece of shit to something cross-platform in your next releases.

[@adamszabomusic]

Sure, please suggest me a cross-platform "platform" where I can write in Ruby for the interface, and use Assembly for the engine.

[@theeltea]

Please, suggest where I can get some money to throw your way so you can actually go and learn some decent programming language so you could then write your plug-in for us mac users to enjoy and stop making excuses. This manner of talking doesn't earn you any points, Adam. 32-bit windows-only in 2018 is pathetic and you definately know it! A sizeable portion of music producers use the Mac platform and you know it as well. You're not an open-source developer, you offer commercial products. Learn to take suggestions if you intend to be a respected and known developer. I also remember Urs Heckman being a cocky smartass about his genius copy protection and then got his ass handed over to him. A customer doesn't have to know or care about your preferred SDK. I would pay up to $200 for a decent-quality mac version of your products. I am sure others would too.

[@adamszabomusic]

"I am sorry, but this is not feasible for me at the moment" it says that on my website but you still come and demand that I do a mac version for you. Its you who should not get too emotional please. It made for Pc it is what it is, like it or not, there is nothing that I can do at the moment. Time to move on. If you dont want to use the many ways you can use windows VSts on your mac thats not my fault.

[@theeltea]

The only feasible way to use a Windows VST on a Mac is to run VEP. There aren't that "many" ways to run Windows VSTs on an Audiounit host like Logic and most of them are downright kludgy. It's much easier for me to deal with the hardware itself than bother with all the workarounds. The appeal of your software is to replace the hardware and its associated overhead and streamline the composition process. Are you having reading comprehension problems? In no way "Please, step away" is a DEMAND. Demands never start with a "please". Requests do. I am getting all emotional when a developer gets so easily frustrated with the requests of the user his product is intended for. You are a musician yourself, you of all people should know how it is, managing a modern computer-based studio.

[@KevinOchoa10]

@TheLT Stop crying and go buy Patchworks from Blue Cat Audio. Any half decent engineer/producer has that in their arsenal already.